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2013-10-21 12:09:45 AM  
They probably should have done a phased roll out and gone from there.
 
2013-10-21 12:13:00 AM  

red5ish: I am getting so sick of hearing the Republican's and the Tea Bagger's negativity.


Agreed!

They are like an endless nag that just biatchs to biatch and has no validity.

I typically donate to multiple parties annually (I know it's not a perfect system however it is what we have and I've been "undeclared" since I registered to vote) because I believe in democracy. Due to the actions of the Republican as a whole I've taken my Republican donations and given them to Democrats and Independents since 2008.
 
2013-10-21 12:16:34 AM  

Poppa Zit: Benevolent Misanthrope: BizarreMan: It's obvious what she's been doing.  She's been collecting a pay check.

I realize that the Federal Insurance Exchange is a big website with lots of intricacies.  But look at Google, Microsoft, and Amazon.  They never had the issues that this site did and there should be enough people out there with experience to make it work.

I see you're not familiar with the Federal contracting process.

It goes like this... Company A,B and C compete for a job.... the lowest bidder wins and as soon a the ink is dry... aahhh... we need more money to do this


Close.

A, B, and C compete. As soon as the ink is dry, the winner says, "Oh - you want people to be able to click on every option? Because in the Statement of Work that we wrote and you singed off on, the 1,000-page document that states every single step, it doesn't specifically state under every single one that they were all clickable. And there's the issue of links. The SoW doesn't state that a "link" must be linked. That's going to be extra work. Plus, you'll notice on Addendum A.1.g(2) that any addition to the Statement of Work must be negotiated, and the contractor has the right to stop work if negotiations indicate that the changes will be incompatible with current work objectives. So, it's up to you. Do we stop work or do you take what you get, and we'll sign an agreement that these items will be fixed after roll-out?"

Then in the "fix", the cycle continues, until there have been 3 or 4 rounds, then the Feds will hire another firm to clean up the ness, and they will do the same thing, and so on...
 
2013-10-21 12:17:13 AM  

Elegy: Lotta republican derangement syndrome in this thread.

I swear, some of you are just as bad about blaming the republicans for something they had nothing to do with as the teatards are about blaming Obama for everything.

Just own the failure already.


In the other thread, you were attempting to compare this situation with Katrina - a disaster in which a great many people actually died.

For the rest of your life, any time you dare to call someone else "deranged" sensible people will laugh at you.
 
2013-10-21 12:18:20 AM  

epyonyx: They probably should have done a phased roll out and gone from there.


They should have done a soft launch.

A website getting as much traffic as it did on day one is pretty much unprecedented in the history of the internet, there's really no way it could have even really been known how the technology platform would react.
 
2013-10-21 12:20:45 AM  

Piizzadude: Then you go with we had a deadline and it worked well during our testing. We know now that we should have done further testing and did not factor in he server load as much as we should have.

And you think that would be sufficient to explain away $200m in additional contract costs, tripling the original ceiling?

From what I can see ...

Nope it it will not explain away jack. People will get their asses handed to them. And they should with budget overruns like that

Give me 2 years and 50M I can have that sucker done.


Uhg.. That is really hard to say without knowing exact details of the SOW. "Scope creep" or "scope change" can alter software project dramatically. To the point of having to start over sometimes and it's a complete nightmare from the aspect of a Software developer and all others involved.

www.lolbrary.com
 
2013-10-21 12:31:48 AM  

nyseattitude: Piizzadude: Then you go with we had a deadline and it worked well during our testing. We know now that we should have done further testing and did not factor in he server load as much as we should have.

And you think that would be sufficient to explain away $200m in additional contract costs, tripling the original ceiling?

From what I can see ...

Nope it it will not explain away jack. People will get their asses handed to them. And they should with budget overruns like that

Give me 2 years and 50M I can have that sucker done.

Uhg.. That is really hard to say without knowing exact details of the SOW. "Scope creep" or "scope change" can alter software project dramatically. To the point of having to start over sometimes and it's a complete nightmare from the aspect of a Software developer and all others involved.

[www.lolbrary.com image 350x429]


I call it feature creep.

Yeah your right, without the SoW I cannot know for sure, but just from running through it, I can make an educated guess.

CSB: I just entered a project for a government agency. The 3 guys before me sucked. I scrapped the thing and got done in 2 weeks what took them 3 months. /CSB

PS: I stole that graphic
 
2013-10-21 12:33:30 AM  

Lionel Mandrake: Lt. Cheese Weasel: +1 subby.

Shefailedus....*snert*

Yeah, almost as hilarious General BetrayUs


No, that was an outrage. Fox News told me so.
 
2013-10-21 12:42:40 AM  

Piizzadude: nyseattitude: Piizzadude: Then you go with we had a deadline and it worked well during our testing. We know now that we should have done further testing and did not factor in he server load as much as we should have.

And you think that would be sufficient to explain away $200m in additional contract costs, tripling the original ceiling?

From what I can see ...

Nope it it will not explain away jack. People will get their asses handed to them. And they should with budget overruns like that

Give me 2 years and 50M I can have that sucker done.

Uhg.. That is really hard to say without knowing exact details of the SOW. "Scope creep" or "scope change" can alter software project dramatically. To the point of having to start over sometimes and it's a complete nightmare from the aspect of a Software developer and all others involved.

[www.lolbrary.com image 350x429]

I call it feature creep.

Yeah your right, without the SoW I cannot know for sure, but just from running through it, I can make an educated guess.

CSB: I just entered a project for a government agency. The 3 guys before me sucked. I scrapped the thing and got done in 2 weeks what took them 3 months. /CSB

PS: I stole that graphic


"Feature creep"? Nub ;)

From an inside development standpoint a "feature" example would be "the blue screen of death" or some other result that is unintended.

Use this one instead, it's much better
www.a2zmenu.com
 
2013-10-21 12:44:17 AM  

BMulligan: Elegy: Lotta republican derangement syndrome in this thread.

I swear, some of you are just as bad about blaming the republicans for something they had nothing to do with as the teatards are about blaming Obama for everything.

Just own the failure already.

In the other thread, you were attempting to compare this situation with Katrina - a disaster in which a great many people actually died.

For the rest of your life, any time you dare to call someone else "deranged" sensible people will laugh at you.


Show me where I compared the launch to Katrina, please.

The eye of Katrina went past 15 miles west of my apartment. I would would never, ever make that comparison.
 
2013-10-21 12:47:23 AM  

Elegy: Technically, you are correct: the Reuters article I linked quoted "Scott Amey, general counsel at the Project on Government Oversight, a Washington, D.C.-based watchdog group that analyzes government contracting," so the claim that there was no oversight is unprovable.


"unprovable" you mean "complete bullshiat". If they mention an "oversight group" then it has farking oversite. How is that hard for you to understand?
 
2013-10-21 12:49:03 AM  

BSABSVR: Lt. Cheese Weasel: +1 subby.

Shefailedus....*snert*

Yes. 12 year olds are amazing.


Welcome to fark.jpg
 
2013-10-21 12:53:43 AM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: BizarreMan: It's obvious what she's been doing.  She's been collecting a pay check.

I realize that the Federal Insurance Exchange is a big website with lots of intricacies.  But look at Google, Microsoft, and Amazon.  They never had the issues that this site did and there should be enough people out there with experience to make it work.

I see you're not familiar with the Federal contracting process.


"Lowest bidder" is not in this person's vocabulary. If the government had paid the experts they needed they money demanded to achieve the perfection this "BizarreMan" seems to believe should be, that cost would run into the gajillions of dollars, and then "BizarreMan" and those like him would be b*tching and crying like little pissbabies that the government spent too much money.

There's no win with these people. F*ck'em.
 You get what you pay for. It will be fixed.
 
2013-10-21 12:56:26 AM  
It was probably a bad decision to hire the same team that did the Orca project for Romney/Ryan 2012.


/You remember Orca? it was supposed to work like Acorn, but without the N.getting involved
 
2013-10-21 01:02:13 AM  

cirby: Peter von Nostrand:
If you live in a world where everything has to be a win for one side, yes

"Elections have consequences, and at the end of the day, I won."
BHO, 2009


He is the master of cruel irony, repeating what W said in 2004.
 
2013-10-21 01:03:44 AM  

Corvus: Elegy: Technically, you are correct: the Reuters article I linked quoted "Scott Amey, general counsel at the Project on Government Oversight, a Washington, D.C.-based watchdog group that analyzes government contracting," so the claim that there was no oversight is unprovable.

"unprovable" you mean "complete bullshiat". If they mention an "oversight group" then it has farking oversite. How is that hard for you to understand?


I just said it's bullshiat quote. That's what "the claim that there was no oversight is unprovable" means.

How is that hard for you to understand?
 
2013-10-21 01:16:56 AM  

nyseattitude: Can I assume you are really upset over a trillion dollar (and counting) invasion of Iraq that was never budgeted and kept off the books?


mpinkeyes.files.wordpress.com

I'm sure he is. He probably wrote the famous alliteration for Move On.org too.
 
2013-10-21 01:22:43 AM  
Congress:  What have you been doing the last three years?
Sebelius:  Trying like mad to get a complex nationwide health care exchange set up, a job that is made more difficult by your 42 attempts to repeal the law, your choking off of funds needed to implement and advertise the exchange, your blocking of political appointees needed to fill leadership positions in my department, and your austerity doctrine that prevents me from hiring the people I need.  And oh yeah, your governors refused to set up their own exchanges because they were afraid that Vladimir Putin would kill grandma.  Despite all of your efforts to fark us, we still managed to roll out enough of a system so that hundreds of thousands of people now have health insurance.
Congress:  What do you know about Benghazi?
 
2013-10-21 01:28:38 AM  

Elegy: Cpl.D: Elegy: Lotta republican derangement syndrome in this thread.

I swear, some of you are just as bad about blaming the republicans for something they had nothing to do with as the teatards are about blaming Obama for everything.

Just own the failure already.

So the republicans slashing the budget for this by 4/5ths has nothing to do with anything?

You got a source for that buddy? Said source will have to show that such funding shenanigans occurred within the past two years.

Unfortunately for you, I do have sources:
CGI Federal originally received the $93.7m contract in November of 2011. According to the ultraconservative, teatard owned news service known as "The New York Times",the administration didn't pass along the IT specifications until early 2013 for political reasons; they didn't want to release them before the 2012 election cycle. By around April of 2013 the administration realized the site wasn't going to be ready in time and started dumping money into the project with virtually no oversight, at which point costs tripled.

And it's not just the front end that sucks - the back end is buggered all to hell too. The latest wrinkle is that the system is passing along bunk data to the insurers. Which, in case you weren't aware, is going to create an unholy mess that is going to be hell to clean up and fix.

There might have been some initial chicanery about the budget from the republicans; that I will grant you. But that happened more than two years ago; the immediate problems stem from the direct decisions of the Obama administration, and it was the democrats in the executive branch that mismanaged it into the clusterfark that we see today.

The bottom line is that this project has been funded for 21 months, and massive amounts of money have been dumped into it with no oversight. The initial decision not to give CGI Federal the IT specifications until after the 2012 elections was a failure on the part of thr administration, as was the decision to requir ...


Clearly it's the first software project in the history of ever to exceed its projected budget and fail to deliver expected functionality on day 1.  And of course, this would never happen in the private sector.  Why, take the bank that I work for: I'm just 4 years into a 2 year project and we've only spent 35 million of our project 8 million dollar budget, and nearly half of the promised functionality is working without defect.
 
2013-10-21 01:40:37 AM  
So after 4 years of doing everything possible to make the ACA fail, the Republicans want to know why the roll-out is a little clunky? It's like taking the tires off of a car and wondering why it doesn't drive very well.
 
2013-10-21 01:52:48 AM  
So maybe we should have had some discussions in Congress about getting a functional website running instead of voting 42 times to repeal or defund the program, eh?
 
2013-10-21 01:58:07 AM  

Triple Oak: So maybe we should have had some discussions in Congress about getting a functional website running instead of voting 42 times to repeal or defund the program, eh?


Don't be ridiculous. This Congress is not about solving problems, but creating or exacerbating them.
 
2013-10-21 02:18:30 AM  

Triple Oak: So maybe we should have had some discussions in Congress about getting a functional website running instead of........

i.imgur.com


42 TIMES.

/best part....forever
 
2013-10-21 02:27:34 AM  

super_grass: BSABSVR: Lt. Cheese Weasel: +1 subby.

Shefailedus....*snert*

Yes. 12 year olds are amazing.

Welcome to fark.jpg


Your weird shtick account should be better than this.

/use names you dumb farks.  It's literally the least you lazy bags of cum can do
//If you think it's clever to not, eat bullets.
///EIP I'll farking feed them to you dumb assholes
 
2013-10-21 02:38:02 AM  
The only reason republicans are fixated on this law is because some hyperspastic reporting from Fox got enough people off their couches long enough to make a shortlived hooplah.  Desperate for any signs of life within their party, republicans will remain fixated until given something else to get excited about.
 
2013-10-21 02:42:13 AM  
Look over there!  Lets take God out of the pledge of allegiance.  : )
 
2013-10-21 02:44:23 AM  
SheFailedus?

Really?

I'm quite frustrated with the exchange website myself. And livid that paying more money to private insurers is considered reform.

But I'm done. I'm too embarrassed to say that I read this website, and then for people to see that this is the kind of joint it is. It's been a good 10 years on this site. The last of them have been a literal tea party, though. Seeya.
 
2013-10-21 03:56:03 AM  
You realize that at this point, the remaining people opposing Obamacare are the mentally ill?
 
2013-10-21 04:04:38 AM  
You know what really annoys me about this whole thread? The Federal government has a massive call center operation that is working just fine. Having trouble using the website? Apply by phone. Average wait time? One minute.

I know, Millenials, talking to a person might be the end of the world.
 
2013-10-21 04:16:02 AM  

Harry_Seldon: You know what really annoys me about this whole thread? The Federal government has a massive call center operation that is working just fine. Having trouble using the website? Apply by phone. Average wait time? One minute.

I know, Millenials, talking to a person might be the end of the world.


They don't publicize that enough.  I literally did not know that was an option until I saw your post.  It's not just a call centre for all the blue-hairs where someone making $7.25 clicks on things on the website for you?

If it's actually a useful service, a message on the "our website is broken" page in biggest font saying "In a hurry?  Try our toll-free number at 800-OBAMACARE instead!" would have gone a very long way.
 
2013-10-21 04:27:44 AM  

Corvus: "unprovable" you mean "complete bullshiat". If they mention an "oversight group" then it has farking oversite. How is that hard for you to understand?


The Project on Government Oversight is not oversight. They report on how well or how poorly internal government oversight is working and other problems.

Their mission statement:

Founded in 1981, the Project On Government Oversight (POGO) is a nonpartisan independent watchdog that champions good government reforms. POGO's investigations into corruption, misconduct, and conflicts of interest achieve a more effective, accountable, open, and ethical federal government.

Sebelius isn't oversight, one can't manage a program and also be the objective outside observer with power to make changes when it's on the wrong track because she probably wouldn't be able to see it because she would be too close to it (the whole you can't see the forest for the trees thing). For example the CBO would be one form of official oversight. The Commerce Committee would also be a form of oversight although they are more of an after the fact form of it, but pretty much nobody in the DHHS can be considered to have oversight.
 
2013-10-21 04:40:25 AM  
Am not gonna get into the why and wherefore's of Congresses latest escapades concerning the Affordable Care Act. Just gonna repeat what I have said on other threads on other sites.

The Affordable Care Act is based on the very successful program instituted by then Governor then Republican Presidential Candidate Mitt Romney.

This health care law was so successful that President Obama decided to expand it, as to be available to All Americans in need of affordable health care.

Program good when a Republican was involved; program bad when a Democratic President (whose minority origins have never been accepted by many Conservatives) attempts to put it into effect.

The ACA will give FORTY NINE MILLION Americans who are either uninsured or under insured the opportunity to finally actually be able to see a doctor on a Regular basis; as opposed to waiting until the last minute and going to the Emergency Room for treatment for conditions that regular preventative medical screenings can, well, prevent.

The fact that many of those forced to use the ER as the source of their medical treatment are at or below the poverty level, means that they cannot afford to pay the bills incurred. That cost is passed on to those of us who Do have insurance.

For all the screaming about "Death Panels", please consider, your Private Insurance Company has been doing that for years. Denying care based on their actuary tables and spreadsheets. Profits uber alles. (sp?)

Case in point, I received a call from the HMO which pays for my treatments. Their accountants had determined that they were no longer going to pay for the medications I was taking; which worked quite nicely, because of the cost. When I inquired about the medical expertise of the person who made this decision for me, I found that they had none.

Basically they gave me a list of generic meds, told me to tell the doctor I was seeing, just tape it to a cork board, throw a dart at the list and prescribe the one that the dart hit. IF, after 30 days, it didn't work, they would allow my doctor to return me to the meds which were proven to work for me.

This particular med was a psychotropic used to treat my mood swings and depression. It kept me calm, rational and able to function in any social setting.

At the end of the 30 day "test run" people were tiptoeing around me, afraid, standing as far away from me as they could get, ready to bolt at a moments notice. Needless to say I was put back on my original meds.

All of this simply because my treatment was costing the HMO a few dollars extra a month.

The "Death Panels" people are scared of, is a committee of Medical Specialists who are Forbidden by law to take part in decision making of any type, in regards to medical treatment. Their job is to Advise Congress on changes that can or should be made to make the process work better. It is then the job of CONGRESS to vote yea or nay on these recommendations. They will not be putting Grandma out to the curb.

And Finally (aren't you glad?), Consider, the Politicians and Their Supporters who wish to deny health coverage to FORTY NINE MILLION Americans are the one's who have the Best Health Care OUR tax money can buy.

/have several family members with chronic conditions, which can/will possibly kill them
//under the rules that the ACA is trying to correct, they are not eligible for health insurance
///hard to stay alive without proper medical treatments and affordable medications
////long winded, yes, me needing to say it, you decide
//Farking politics. No One in America should have to do without health care
 
2013-10-21 04:47:53 AM  

sambluesnark: Am not gonna get into the why and wherefore's of Congresses latest escapades concerning the Affordable Care Act. Just gonna repeat what I have said on other threads on other sites.

The Affordable Care Act is based on the very successful program instituted by then Governor then Republican Presidential Candidate Mitt Romney.

This health care law was so successful that President Obama decided to expand it, as to be available to All Americans in need of affordable health care.

Program good when a Republican was involved; program bad when a Democratic President (whose minority origins have never been accepted by many Conservatives) attempts to put it into effect.

The ACA will give FORTY NINE MILLION Americans who are either uninsured or under insured the opportunity to finally actually be able to see a doctor on a Regular basis; as opposed to waiting until the last minute and going to the Emergency Room for treatment for conditions that regular preventative medical screenings can, well, prevent.

The fact that many of those forced to use the ER as the source of their medical treatment are at or below the poverty level, means that they cannot afford to pay the bills incurred. That cost is passed on to those of us who Do have insurance.

For all the screaming about "Death Panels", please consider, your Private Insurance Company has been doing that for years. Denying care based on their actuary tables and spreadsheets. Profits uber alles. (sp?)

Case in point, I received a call from the HMO which pays for my treatments. Their accountants had determined that they were no longer going to pay for the medications I was taking; which worked quite nicely, because of the cost. When I inquired about the medical expertise of the person who made this decision for me, I found that they had none.

Basically they gave me a list of generic meds, told me to tell the doctor I was seeing, just tape it to a cork board, throw a dart at the list and prescribe the one that the dart hit. IF, ...


I would have loved to see comment you would have wrote off your meds :->
 
2013-10-21 04:53:05 AM  

Soup4Bonnie: Republicans holding hearings about everything Obamacare related? No way.


Compounding the problem is the administration's refusal to delay the law's unfair individual mandate, therefore subjecting Americans to a requirement to purchase insurance despite the exchanges' numerous problems, including unaffordable health insurance premiums and significant security risks. (.pdf)


Going to be tons of new ground covered at these hearings, let me tell you what.


Your not actually required to use the exchange. Your just required to buy insurance, the exchange is just one convenient (or not) way to do so. Many states have setup their own exchanges, but for the ones who haven't people are stuck with this federal exchange or buying on the open market.
 
2013-10-21 04:53:35 AM  
Phone number is on the damned front page of the website.
 
2013-10-21 04:57:43 AM  
I heard Sebelius isn't even A+ certified. clearly this computer issue is all her fault.
 
2013-10-21 05:31:07 AM  

sambluesnark: The ACA will give FORTY NINE MILLION Americans who are either uninsured or under insured the opportunity to finally actually be able to see a doctor on a Regular basis; as opposed to waiting until the last minute and going to the Emergency Room for treatment for conditions that regular preventative medical screenings can, well, prevent.


To be quite honest, if they can't afford to see a doctor on their own then they shouldn't be living.
 
2013-10-21 05:34:48 AM  

Piizzadude: [blog.thebrickfactory.com image 581x480]

Just putting this here for my own self enjoyment, it in no way reflects on your statement


It's a series of TUBES! TANGLED UP TUBES!
 
2013-10-21 05:40:21 AM  
Well, guess this whole government thing isn't working. Better throw it away and start over.
 
2013-10-21 05:54:31 AM  
Basically they gave me a list of generic meds, told me to tell the doctor I was seeing, just tape it to a cork board, throw a dart at the list and prescribe the one that the dart hit. IF, ...

I would have loved to see comment you would have wrote off your meds :->

True story...After I retired I took the advice that is always given....."You're still young, you're still active, find something to do outside the house, Don't sit around."

The only skills I had outside of my career was delivery driver and some counter sales.
Went to work for one of the Big Box Auto Parts Stores here in town.
Sometimes after the delivery hours had past, I would work the counters until close.
Due to biology, my condition was no longer responding to the meds I had been on and they were changing my scripts.

An unforeseen fark up caused me to be off the reservation medicine wise for a month.

One night just before closing time, the doors come slamming open and a man comes stomping in.."Razzle frazzle @@##@!!!..fark fark,"
He states "I've just come from your competitor up the street and That Boy down there couldn't help me with what I need!! I stood there hollering and screaming and he just couldn't get things right! Am I gonna have the same problem with you?"

Being as I was about 5-10 years older than this "gentleman" it was an interesting way to open the conversation.

I leaned on the counter as he came still stomping toward me; and said "First of all, I ain't no Boy. Second of all, do you know what a psychotropic is?" He came to a very quick stop and stared at me, nodding his head. I continued, "I am supposed to be on one right now, but because of a fark up, I've been off of them for a month." He was not moving or talking, just watching me, as I continued; "as a result, I've been wound up real tight for the last 30 days, and if something goes wrong and sets me off, why I just don't know which way I'm gonna come down."
I waved him up to the counter, "Now, we are gonna have a nice Quiet, Adult conversation, and I am either going to be able to help you, and you'll buy what you need, and leave, or I won't be able to help you, in which case you will leave. But there Will be No shouting or screaming."
Several minutes of polite discussion later, it was determined that his problem was not something we were equipped to deal with.
As he turned to leave, I remarked, "See, it is possible to behave like adults and have a nice quiet conversation isn't it?"
He never raised his head as he went out the door,

/don't recall ever seeing him in the store ever again
//didn't affect the profits for the day or what sleep I got that night
///the new meds kicked right in and I've been good ever since
////my coworker never said a work, never batted an eye
 
2013-10-21 06:23:24 AM  

evil saltine: sambluesnark: The ACA will give FORTY NINE MILLION Americans who are either uninsured or under insured the opportunity to finally actually be able to see a doctor on a Regular basis; as opposed to waiting until the last minute and going to the Emergency Room for treatment for conditions that regular preventative medical screenings can, well, prevent.

To be quite honest, if they can't afford to see a doctor on their own then they shouldn't be living.


Well you certainly live up to the "evil" in your user name, won't comment on the cracker,though.

I worked in Emergency Response for 25 years, as a Firefighter/EMT. Many was the night.often cold and wet when I would have to get up out of a nice warm bed in a nice warm Engine House and go scrape some poor unfortunate up of the street or carry them down a flight or 6 of stairs and deliver them to the Emergency Room.

The patients that were involved in accidents Generally had health insurance, but not always. Any idea what sort of bills having a full blown Trauma Team giving it a full court press trying to save you generates? It Ain't cheap.

For many of the people we had to evaluate, stabilize and transport for non accidental reasons, many did Not have insurance, but they received the same quality of care as those who did. And the cost of their treatment is the same.

Doctors on a Trauma Team don't worry about money that the patient may or may not have. They're too busy trying to save some poor soul.

And even With insurance many patients found themselves bankrupt and destitute by the end of the day.

Those without insurance started out a whole lot closer to that line.

 And most of the time, the reason we were there was because they had no insurance and the ER was the best last hope they had. They were unable to see a regular doctor on a regular basis. If they could have, they wouldn't have needed me.

And as to your comment about "shouldn't be living" please pay Very Close Attention.

Several years ago it was determined that the "average American household" was 6 months of pay checks away from financial disaster.
Then it dropped to 3 months.
Now it can be just as little as a paycheck or two away from losing everything you have. House, car, food, water. And Health Insurance.

I truly hope, for your sake, that you never find yourself in that situation.
But if you do, you should just remember your sentiment on the subject and keep your mouth closed as one of your children suffers from not being able to seek adequate Affordable treatment
 
2013-10-21 06:29:22 AM  

evil saltine: sambluesnark: The ACA will give FORTY NINE MILLION Americans who are either uninsured or under insured the opportunity to finally actually be able to see a doctor on a Regular basis; as opposed to waiting until the last minute and going to the Emergency Room for treatment for conditions that regular preventative medical screenings can, well, prevent.

To be quite honest, if they can't afford to see a doctor on their own then they shouldn't be living.


Well, at least we know what Ron Paul's Fark username is now...

*rolls eyes*
 
2013-10-21 06:38:08 AM  

keylock71: evil saltine: sambluesnark: The ACA will give FORTY NINE MILLION Americans who are either uninsured or under insured the opportunity to finally actually be able to see a doctor on a Regular basis; as opposed to waiting until the last minute and going to the Emergency Room for treatment for conditions that regular preventative medical screenings can, well, prevent.

To be quite honest, if they can't afford to see a doctor on their own then they shouldn't be living.

Well, at least we know what Ron Paul's Fark username is now...

*rolls eyes*


He's obviously being sarcastic.

Unless you are referencing a fark user by the name of

*ROLLS EYES*

/cheers
//It's Happening?
 
2013-10-21 06:38:19 AM  
Empty hot air and political theater. Let the Goppers have a good, public cry. They'll feel boner.
I mean "better".
i18.photobucket.com
 
2013-10-21 06:44:41 AM  

jso2897: Empty hot air and political theater. Let the Goppers have a good, public cry. They'll feel boner.
I mean "better".
[i18.photobucket.com image 413x413]


Seems like they've been a bunch of soppy vaginas since 2009... I doubt they're ever going to feel better, at this point.

Well, maybe when a old white guy is president again, but only if he's a Republican, I suppose.
 
2013-10-21 06:55:09 AM  

keylock71: jso2897: Empty hot air and political theater. Let the Goppers have a good, public cry. They'll feel boner.
I mean "better".
[i18.photobucket.com image 413x413]

Seems like they've been a bunch of soppy vaginas since 2009... I doubt they're ever going to feel better, at this point.

Well, maybe when a old white guy is president again, but only if he's a Republican, I suppose.


The fact that you suggest that it is even remotely possible that any of the blind, stubborn, mindless, inexplicable hostility to President Obama has even the most microscopic racial component makes you a self-loathing anti-white racist.
Stop picking on the REAL victims of racism!
 
2013-10-21 07:14:54 AM  
what's the big deal, i just went to the website and was able to view 12 different plans that apply to me, without having to sign up for anything, in about 3 minutes.
 
2013-10-21 07:18:32 AM  

Gunther: ThunderPelvis: Christ, the biggest game companies crash their servers on launch days

When Sim City's launch failed so badly that people couldn't play the game they bought for a couple of weeks it was a publicity disaster for EA, one of the factors that lead to them getting voted "worst company in America" in a Consumerist poll.

Pointing out that the Government bungled the Obamacare rollout is a valid criticism. It's freaking rare to see a valid criticism from the modern GOP, but you know the saying about stopped clocks.


The difference is the government gets rewarded when it screws up.

Thats how socialism works - rewards failure and penalizes success. Eventually, all you get is failure.

Money is just being thrown at this failure now.
 
2013-10-21 07:25:51 AM  

SlothB77: Gunther: ThunderPelvis: Christ, the biggest game companies crash their servers on launch days

When Sim City's launch failed so badly that people couldn't play the game they bought for a couple of weeks it was a publicity disaster for EA, one of the factors that lead to them getting voted "worst company in America" in a Consumerist poll.

Pointing out that the Government bungled the Obamacare rollout is a valid criticism. It's freaking rare to see a valid criticism from the modern GOP, but you know the saying about stopped clocks.

The difference is the government gets rewarded when it screws up.

Thats how socialism works - rewards failure and penalizes success. Eventually, all you get is failure.

Money is just being thrown at this failure now.


Dogs bark - but the caravan move on.
 
2013-10-21 07:33:47 AM  

Shvetz: BizarreMan: It's obvious what she's been doing.  She's been collecting a pay check.

I realize that the Federal Insurance Exchange is a big website with lots of intricacies.  But look at Google, Microsoft, and Amazon.  They never had the issues that this site did and there should be enough people out there with experience to make it work.

They didn't have everybody try to sign up all on the same day, and they also have much bigger budgets for their web sites. The "failure" with Obamacare is that so many people want/need it. It's like claiming the latest iPhone is a failure if the stores run out of them in the first week of sales.


None of that is true.
 
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