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2013-10-20 08:18:29 PM  

SirVagTheTighty: i don't think asking the person ultimate responsible for it to give some explanation is hearing'd to death. id like to know why this went so bad. it could be very benefitial to everyone in the future.

i dont think the web sites problems mean the aca failed or anything like that, but lets figure out what went wrong here. the d's should be more outraged then the r's in my opinion. they actually gave a shiat about this in the first place.


It's an unfortunate part of our society that admitting mistakes is no longer tolerated and spin has to be applied to everything.  I am somewhat sympathetic to the administration on this, given what we've seen over the last few months, but some part of me would like for them to just come out and say the truth: "HHS had no idea what it was doing, the government contracting process broke down, and a lot of tax money got wasted and things need to be re-done.  But we will get them done properly."  But there's not a chance in hell of that happening in our political climate.

But for those who aren't aware because the news hasn't done a good job of reporting it (nor the administration a good job telling it), they are actually actively working with knowledgeable people now to get the technical abortion that we spent so much on fixed.  I'm relatively certain the top level people in the administration are well aware of how bad it is, because it doesn't take someone with even an undergraduate level of education to see just how poorly things were done.  If you'd like to see some interesting parts of what needs to be fixed, eschew Fark and CNN and head to some of the tech sites (or some of the sub Reddits) where people are actively pulling apart public parts of the code, and in some cases people are discussing what they've seen of the private code.  Many of the mistakes (and license violations!) there are beginner mistakes -- they remind me of the web code I wrote when I was a good and just trying to slam things out.

There is a lot that needs to be redone, and it's clear that the people who worked on it originally were not up to the task of what they were trying to do, but there are now some _very_ good people involved.  I imagine you will start hearing more from them if the government doesn't NDA them (which would be a shame).

Long story short, it will get fixed, and the website isn't going to take the ACA down.  The website is, though, fundamentally flawed, so don't expect it to happen soon.
 
2013-10-20 08:19:04 PM  

skullkrusher: AkaDad: skullkrusher: AkaDad: skullkrusher: AkaDad: skullkrusher: AkaDad: skullkrusher: Delay: skullkrusher: if no one joins because they aren't interested or it isn't implemented well, I'd imagine that would lend credence to their attacks.

No, that's not what I mean. If the GOP would have claimed that folks would not join because the website was not implemented well, the Republicans could have scored. But that was never their argument. The Republicans claimed the Affordable Care Act killed jobs and was Socialism.

See? They were stupid.

huh? If the implementation of ACA sucks, that isn't a political win for Republicans?

When people vote they're going to remember that the Republicans shutdown the government, not how the ACA website wasn't implemented properly, so their small win is basically irrelevant.

neither of those things have anything to do with the other but yes, you are correct

So, political victories and losses have no bearing on elections?

no, whether a rollout failure is a win for the GOP has nothing to do with whether they'll be remembered for shutting down the government. Both are possible and not exclusive.

My point was that their small victory on the ACA wont come close to making up for them shutting down the government. Wouldn't you agree?

sure. In fact, I have already said you were correct.

By constantly playing devils advocate, it's hard to tell with you. It sometimes seems like you take sides just to argue.

seems like it? I thought that shiat was farking obvious ;)

In this case I actually believe what I said. And what you said. Maybe you're just assuming we disagree cuz I don't think we do


Fair enough. We'll just have to agree to agree.
 
2013-10-20 08:19:52 PM  

Piizzadude: SirVagTheTighty: Piizzadude: SirVagTheTighty: Piizzadude: cirby: SirVag The Tighty:
The effect on Gmail users varied, according to Farmer. Around 71 percent of messages experienced no delay. Among the other 29 percent, the average delay was 2.6 seconds. But among the delayed messages, 1.5 percent were stalled by more than two hours. Further, some users who tried to download large file attachments ran into errors. But Gmail itself was available for people to log in, read mail, and send messages.from your last link (i didnt bother reading the others):

thats sounds like exactly what happened with the aca site.

If Gmail had taken hours for anyone at all to log in, 100% of messages experienced days of delay, the average delay was four or five hours, most user accounts were deleted a day or two after launch, and almost all users who tried to use it at all ran into errors, you might have a point.

As it was, the Gmail disruption was external - a network outage - and lasted only a few hours, seriously affecting less than two percent of users. Obamacare? Internal, bad design, and is ongoing, affecting pretty much everyone who tries to log in.

for your last statement I agree, the rest not so much

This kind of thing is not unheard of:  http://technologizer.com/2008/08/11/eight-great-internet-outages/

It is a poor website though, it should have been done differently. In addition it should have been funded and awarded differently and not have to worry about getting its head chopped off every 26 minutes either.

out of the biggest 6 not one is even close to the aca website. i have no idea what your point is. im a big fan of the aca, and im sure thr website will get fixed, but the dems who just want to excuse this clusterfark are as bad as the gop folks that spin everything. this will probably wind up being a partisan witch hunt but honestly everyone should be out raged by this.

as far as the folks blamed states being in or out till the last minute wth? how long does it take to add insurance ...

I agree, lessons are there to be learned and sure let's throw a few hearings in there and hold the bosses accountable.

Lets NOT turn this into a 6 month impeachable offense is all I am saying.

I have to swim through red tape all day so I know how it can be tough to get answers, get funding, get most things done. Hell I wanted to make a rather small change to something and totally gave up after learning it would require a hearing because it is a change of established procedure.

That is just too much


i cant speak for everyone, and im sure the r's will pounce on this, but i dont want to see a 6 month bengazi bs impeachment thing either. i just like to think as a party the d's are above that. id like to know why this failed so badly. all that asside, the folks blames the r's for this seem like they are grasping at straws, and i like to think the d's are above that type of behavior. we crusify the r's on a daily basis for that, as everyone should. lets not make excuses and take some ownership when things go badly.

i think me and you pretty much agree though
 
2013-10-20 08:20:19 PM  

AkaDad: skullkrusher: AkaDad: skullkrusher: AkaDad: skullkrusher: AkaDad: skullkrusher: AkaDad: skullkrusher: Delay: skullkrusher: if no one joins because they aren't interested or it isn't implemented well, I'd imagine that would lend credence to their attacks.

No, that's not what I mean. If the GOP would have claimed that folks would not join because the website was not implemented well, the Republicans could have scored. But that was never their argument. The Republicans claimed the Affordable Care Act killed jobs and was Socialism.

See? They were stupid.

huh? If the implementation of ACA sucks, that isn't a political win for Republicans?

When people vote they're going to remember that the Republicans shutdown the government, not how the ACA website wasn't implemented properly, so their small win is basically irrelevant.

neither of those things have anything to do with the other but yes, you are correct

So, political victories and losses have no bearing on elections?

no, whether a rollout failure is a win for the GOP has nothing to do with whether they'll be remembered for shutting down the government. Both are possible and not exclusive.

My point was that their small victory on the ACA wont come close to making up for them shutting down the government. Wouldn't you agree?

sure. In fact, I have already said you were correct.

By constantly playing devils advocate, it's hard to tell with you. It sometimes seems like you take sides just to argue.

seems like it? I thought that shiat was farking obvious ;)

In this case I actually believe what I said. And what you said. Maybe you're just assuming we disagree cuz I don't think we do

Fair enough. We'll just have to agree to agree.


NO!
ok
 
2013-10-20 08:21:06 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: BizarreMan: It's obvious what she's been doing.  She's been collecting a pay check.

I realize that the Federal Insurance Exchange is a big website with lots of intricacies.  But look at Google, Microsoft, and Amazon.  They never had the issues that this site did and there should be enough people out there with experience to make it work.

I see you're not familiar with the Federal contracting process.


It goes like this... Company A,B and C compete for a job.... the lowest bidder wins and as soon a the ink is dry... aahhh... we need more money to do this
 
2013-10-20 08:21:16 PM  

sammyk: If this wasnt just political theater meant as a soothing balm for teabagger butthurt I would say this is a good thing. A serious conversation about what went wrong and what is being done about it would be constructive. This is witch hunt and nothing good will come of it.

Eric Holder has to be happy the derpers will be occupied with someone else for a while.


Just as who's more likely to dig up the incriminating evidence, the prosecution or the defense, who's more likely to get to the bottom of a catastrophic policyfail, your political adversaries or your supporters? Both the House (Republicans) and the Senate (Democrats) can hold hearings. I know which one my money is on to ask the awkward questions. Anyone who isn't a fan of sweeping embarrassments under the rug should be happy at this development.
 
2013-10-20 08:22:42 PM  

namatad: sparkeyjames: I blame the Red states that waited as long as they could to make their decision as to whether they or the feds would have to pony up on the website. This delayed the development cycle till almost the last minute while the politicians squabbled.

Interesting point.
How many were the expected number of users? How many were planned for?
How many actually happened?

Forget people that signed up for a second, how about how many hits per day?

I know TONS of people went there KNOWING that they didnt need to.
Reporters, people like me who already have insurance and what not.

Were they expecting 1 million? 10 million? 100 million?

Plus that whole amazon/google thing is complete bullshiat.
Those website grew over time to hand the traffic that they have today.
They werent magically online one day and able to handle 12 million hits.


Of the 9.4 million unique visitors to the site during the launch's first week, according to the analysis, roughly a third attempted to register, and a third of that number - 1.01 million - completed registration. Ultimately, roughly 36,000 Americans signed up for an insurance plan online, the report said.

I would like to see any new website hand that much traffic in the first week.

PLUS, should they have built a site which could handle 100x the expected traffic once it us up and running?
If they had, I wonder if the complaints would have been, THEY SPENT TRILLIONS BUILDING A SITE FOR only 10 million people. LOLOLOLOL

so yah ....
WHY didnt google contract to build this?
WHY isnt there a process to have professions do these things, rather than the LOWEST bid??


its worth noting, no website in the history of ever has had 100mil plus dumped into it prior to launch that i can think of. this wasnt some geocities page that went viral. they damn well should of expected the demand and had the funds to prepare for it.
 
2013-10-20 08:23:30 PM  

SirVagTheTighty: i cant speak for everyone, and im sure the r's will pounce on this, but i dont want to see a 6 month bengazi bs impeachment thing either. i just like to think as a party the d's are above that. id like to know why this failed so badly. all that asside, the folks blames the r's for this seem like they are grasping at straws, and i like to think the d's are above that type of behavior. we crusify the r's on a daily basis for that, as everyone should. lets not make excuses and take some ownership when things go badly.

i think me and you pretty much agree though


Yep we pretty much are.

Take ownership of it, find out WTF?, do something to make sure it never happens again, and get it fixed.

Move on
 
2013-10-20 08:25:15 PM  
Still better than any health insurance company website I've ever used.
 
2013-10-20 08:26:18 PM  
I remember a mid-late 90's lawyer movie that offered the advice "if in doubt, object"

"Her refusal to testify and be transparent has undermined her credibility,"

She's had a whole day to assess what went on during your shutdown, and your demands are part of a pile of crap she's dealing with. So she must be refusing to testify. Therefore she must resign or be fired, Obama impeached for PWB, and an immediate resumption of war with Oceania.
 
2013-10-20 08:31:22 PM  

Poppa Zit: Benevolent Misanthrope: BizarreMan: It's obvious what she's been doing.  She's been collecting a pay check.

I realize that the Federal Insurance Exchange is a big website with lots of intricacies.  But look at Google, Microsoft, and Amazon.  They never had the issues that this site did and there should be enough people out there with experience to make it work.

I see you're not familiar with the Federal contracting process.

It goes like this... Company A,B and C compete for a job.... the lowest bidder wins and as soon a the ink is dry... aahhh... we need more money to do this


No, the government makes a reasonable proposal, A, B, and C compete for a job...the lowest bidder wins and as soon as the ink is dry...aaahhh..."Oh, and we also need it to do this, and this, and this, but not this...no wait, we need it to that, not this...".  Government contracts like these are a nightmare for the contractor.
 
2013-10-20 08:36:18 PM  

wildcardjack: I remember a mid-late 90's lawyer movie that offered the advice "if in doubt, object"

"Her refusal to testify and be transparent has undermined her credibility,"

She's had a whole day to assess what went on during your shutdown, and your demands are part of a pile of crap she's dealing with. So she must be refusing to testify. Therefore she must resign or be fired, Obama impeached for PWB, and an immediate resumption of war with Oceania.


Another pitiful sufferer of RDS.

I wonder if RDS and ODS are covered under the ACA?
 
2013-10-20 08:36:37 PM  

The Jami Turman Fan Club: Poppa Zit: Benevolent Misanthrope: BizarreMan: It's obvious what she's been doing.  She's been collecting a pay check.

I realize that the Federal Insurance Exchange is a big website with lots of intricacies.  But look at Google, Microsoft, and Amazon.  They never had the issues that this site did and there should be enough people out there with experience to make it work.

I see you're not familiar with the Federal contracting process.

It goes like this... Company A,B and C compete for a job.... the lowest bidder wins and as soon a the ink is dry... aahhh... we need more money to do this

No, the government makes a reasonable proposal, A, B, and C compete for a job...the lowest bidder wins and as soon as the ink is dry...aaahhh..."Oh, and we also need it to do this, and this, and this, but not this...no wait, we need it to that, not this...".  Government contracts like these are a nightmare for the contractor.


THIS! I have worked on both the state and federal level, The requirements sheets are rarely the end point. Hell half the time they are not the start....
 
2013-10-20 08:40:12 PM  
I found this in some comments somewhere.  It has to be fake.

The fact is that the Obamacare web site was attacked by racist teabirthers using The Nile of Surface attacks. The code is good, nothing wrong with it. My cousin DeShawn knows how to program HTML and he did a view sores on the web page and he says it's good code.
 
2013-10-20 08:40:18 PM  
I am starting the absolutely true rumor that the HHS servers were located in Behghazi and our brave diplomats died trying to protect them. I want ten hearings a day every day until we get to the bottom of this.
 
2013-10-20 08:41:03 PM  

Piizzadude: The Jami Turman Fan Club: Poppa Zit: Benevolent Misanthrope: BizarreMan: It's obvious what she's been doing.  She's been collecting a pay check.

I realize that the Federal Insurance Exchange is a big website with lots of intricacies.  But look at Google, Microsoft, and Amazon.  They never had the issues that this site did and there should be enough people out there with experience to make it work.

I see you're not familiar with the Federal contracting process.

It goes like this... Company A,B and C compete for a job.... the lowest bidder wins and as soon a the ink is dry... aahhh... we need more money to do this

No, the government makes a reasonable proposal, A, B, and C compete for a job...the lowest bidder wins and as soon as the ink is dry...aaahhh..."Oh, and we also need it to do this, and this, and this, but not this...no wait, we need it to that, not this...".  Government contracts like these are a nightmare for the contractor.

THIS! I have worked on both the state and federal level, The requirements sheets are rarely the end point. Hell half the time they are not the start....


I was going to go in a different direction.
WHY doesnt the government have an IT department?
LOL
They would have had their top web people build the site and it would have been awesome.

OUT SOURCING only makes friends and family money and pretty much never saves any money.
Not in the long run.

/lol
 
2013-10-20 08:44:00 PM  

Elegy: wildcardjack: I remember a mid-late 90's lawyer movie that offered the advice "if in doubt, object"

"Her refusal to testify and be transparent has undermined her credibility,"

She's had a whole day to assess what went on during your shutdown, and your demands are part of a pile of crap she's dealing with. So she must be refusing to testify. Therefore she must resign or be fired, Obama impeached for PWB, and an immediate resumption of war with Oceania.


Another pitiful sufferer of RDS.

I wonder if RDS and ODS are covered under the ACA?


Another member of Team Fix the Blame speaks out that Issa holding another series of time wasting, costly, pointless, partisan, political witch hunts would somehow help Fix the Problem.

Seems legit.
 
2013-10-20 08:46:45 PM  

namatad: Piizzadude: The Jami Turman Fan Club: Poppa Zit: Benevolent Misanthrope: BizarreMan: It's obvious what she's been doing.  She's been collecting a pay check.

I realize that the Federal Insurance Exchange is a big website with lots of intricacies.  But look at Google, Microsoft, and Amazon.  They never had the issues that this site did and there should be enough people out there with experience to make it work.

I see you're not familiar with the Federal contracting process.

It goes like this... Company A,B and C compete for a job.... the lowest bidder wins and as soon a the ink is dry... aahhh... we need more money to do this

No, the government makes a reasonable proposal, A, B, and C compete for a job...the lowest bidder wins and as soon as the ink is dry...aaahhh..."Oh, and we also need it to do this, and this, and this, but not this...no wait, we need it to that, not this...".  Government contracts like these are a nightmare for the contractor.

THIS! I have worked on both the state and federal level, The requirements sheets are rarely the end point. Hell half the time they are not the start....

I was going to go in a different direction.
WHY doesnt the government have an IT department?
LOL
They would have had their top web people build the site and it would have been awesome.

OUT SOURCING only makes friends and family money and pretty much never saves any money.
Not in the long run.

/lol


Your right about that but do you really want another governmental agency? It would be a clusterfark of epic proportions, and STILL outsource everything
 
2013-10-20 08:48:52 PM  
On further though they really should have just developed for all 50 states from the get go and 20 million hits per day. Then just use a redirect when a state is chosen that has their own site (something that they already do). I think scaling is the major problem here. They just didn't get a big enough pipe and not enough servers. They also seem to be using an external service for identity verification which can slow things down. The biggest problem are that the logins are at best spotty. I managed to get enrolled with an insurer, after many many attempts over multiple days, but since then have not been able to log back in.
 
2013-10-20 08:49:25 PM  

Elegy: Another pitiful sufferer of RDS.


Yes, this is clearly the same as claiming the President is a secretly gay-married communist Muslim who wants to send Christians to concentration camps and kill grandma.  I wonder if stupid is covered by the ACA

/Both sides are bad.
 
2013-10-20 08:50:32 PM  
2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-10-20 08:52:33 PM  

sparkeyjames: On further though they really should have just developed for all 50 states from the get go and 20 million hits per day. Then just use a redirect when a state is chosen that has their own site (something that they already do). I think scaling is the major problem here. They just didn't get a big enough pipe and not enough servers. They also seem to be using an external service for identity verification which can slow things down. The biggest problem are that the logins are at best spotty. I managed to get enrolled with an insurer, after many many attempts over multiple days, but since then have not been able to log back in.


blog.thebrickfactory.com

Just putting this here for my own self enjoyment, it in no way reflects on your statement
 
2013-10-20 08:53:16 PM  
Oh and it wouldn't surprise me in the least if conservatives are doing a mass run on the website to slow it down.
 
2013-10-20 08:56:46 PM  

sparkeyjames: On further though they really should have just developed for all 50 states from the get go and 20 million hits per day. Then just use a redirect when a state is chosen that has their own site (something that they already do). I think scaling is the major problem here. They just didn't get a big enough pipe and not enough servers. They also seem to be using an external service for identity verification which can slow things down. The biggest problem are that the logins are at best spotty. I managed to get enrolled with an insurer, after many many attempts over multiple days, but since then have not been able to log back in.


The states were supposed to set up their own exchanges.  Which the Federal government was going to pay them to run.  But they were given a chance to opt out and dump their citizens on the Federal exchange.  Which is exactly what thirty-seven Republican governors did.  In addition, many also refused take Federal money to expand Medicaid to cover their poorest citizens.
 
2013-10-20 08:57:16 PM  
Calling for an official's resignation because a website rollout wasn't smooth as silk? Really?

farking ridiculous. You don't even get fired for that shiat in the private sector, nevermind public.
 
2013-10-20 09:02:51 PM  
Anyone who insists on mangling names into snide puns (obummer, nobama, republitards, demoturds, general betrayus, etc) might as well begin any argument by screaming "I AM AN UTTERLY IRRELEVANT MORON BLINDLY REGURGITATING THINK THANK TALKING POINTS".

I've found it to be an excellent indicator as to wether someone is worth your time and attention.
 
2013-10-20 09:07:29 PM  
Healthcare program.
 
2013-10-20 09:08:34 PM  

Brick-House: [2.bp.blogspot.com image 576x478]


Posting Hope and Change
All credibility lost.
 
2013-10-20 09:08:51 PM  

jjorsett: sammyk: If this wasnt just political theater meant as a soothing balm for teabagger butthurt I would say this is a good thing. A serious conversation about what went wrong and what is being done about it would be constructive. This is witch hunt and nothing good will come of it.

Eric Holder has to be happy the derpers will be occupied with someone else for a while.

Just as who's more likely to dig up the incriminating evidence, the prosecution or the defense, who's more likely to get to the bottom of a catastrophic policyfail, your political adversaries or your supporters? Both the House (Republicans) and the Senate (Democrats) can hold hearings. I know which one my money is on to ask the awkward questions. Anyone who isn't a fan of sweeping embarrassments under the rug should be happy at this development.


Who's more likely to find out why healthcare.gov doesn't work - the party that wants it to work or the party that doesn't?
 
2013-10-20 09:10:26 PM  

Elegy: Good. Heads need to roll.


I agree that heads should roll, but this seems like something that should be handled by dragging a few people into a closed office and screaming at them until shiat gets fixed, and maybe showing a few people the door for not doing their jobs. I'm not sure that "Congressional hearing because a website didn't work the way it was supposed to" is the best use of time and money, especially during a time when Congress has failed to pass a budget in 4 years, just closed down the government for 2 weeks and took us to the brink of default. Maybe they could possibly find something slightly more important to waste their time at. Personally, I'd like to lock the entirety of Congress in an underground bunker and tell them they can't come out until they pass a budget. Then start slowly filling it with water. If they fail to find a solution, well, I guess we'll be holding early elections.
 
2013-10-20 09:11:18 PM  

SirVagTheTighty: The Bananadragon: FTFA: "Though the White House said this weekend that 476,000 people have applied online for health insurance, officials have yet to say how many people have bought a policy. "

I haven't read TFT yet, but I was asking Mr. Dragon about this earlier and we weren't sure if the system can even track that. In MA, the way it's been working is, we apply on the HealthConnector site, they determine you qualify for certain plans, then you pick a plan and enroll. The way we're seeing the federal exchanges described, you use the site to determine eligibility, pick out a plan, and apply for that plan - more like applying for a college. I'm ready to be wrong, since we live in MA i haven't been following the details super closely, but it seems like when you send an application through the exchange, since you've already picked a plan, you're sending your application to the provider who will ultimately enroll you (ie, to BCBS or Aetna or something, not HHS).

So is it even reasonable for HHS to know how many people each provider enrolls in each state in real-time? And even if HHS can do that or is somehow involved, the GOP is gonna point to a discrepancy between "applied" and "enrolled" of >0 as proof of waste and fraud or something - is it actually reasonable to process half a million applications in only three weeks?

im with you on this. the entire enrolled vs applied seems like largely semantic bullshiat unless im not understanding


Beyond that, there really is no reason for somebody to be done with enrollment today when you don't have to be done until December 15th if you want coverage the first day of 2014. Massachusetts saw about two-thirds of their enrollment in MassHealth in the last two weeks before the enrollment period ended. We'll almost certainly see the same thing here. Getting almost half a million applications this early on with a glitchy website is downright miraculous.
 
2013-10-20 09:13:31 PM  

skullkrusher: Peter von Nostrand: skullkrusher: Delay: skullkrusher: if no one joins because they aren't interested or it isn't implemented well, I'd imagine that would lend credence to their attacks.

No, that's not what I mean. If the GOP would have claimed that folks would not join because the website was not implemented well, the Republicans could have scored. But that was never their argument. The Republicans claimed the Affordable Care Act killed jobs and was Socialism.

See? They were stupid.

huh? If the implementation of ACA sucks, that isn't a political win for Republicans?

If you live in a world where everything has to be a win for one side, yes

you comment to me is a bit puzzling now. If it isn't a world of black and white, wins and losses, why are you unable to say that the rollout of the healthcare website was shiatty?

Guess what? It was. It was largely a failure.
Does that mean the ACA will be a failure of that it was a bad thing? No. But it is what it is and the initial release was crap.


I'm not sure how got to there from my comment. I said it was a win for Republicans
 
2013-10-20 09:15:33 PM  
I hope during one of Mr Issa's investigations the truth finally comes out. That he is suffering from chronic short-term memory loss. Rather than admit it he is forced to hold taped/transcripted hearings to keep up the pretense he can recall at will the "who/what/where/when/why" of events everyone else has been informed of and moved past while he uses crib sheets to make it through water-cooler encounters.

He will continue this approach until the fateful day he demands answers from the Secretary of the Interior why the Mars Rover failed to transmit in a timely fashion.

In the dead quiet of the room following the obvious error, he will bury his head in his hands and mutter in the microphone..."I....I....I...just...don't....know.......about.....anyth ing."
 
2013-10-20 09:17:41 PM  

Krushinator: Anyone who insists on mangling names into snide puns (obummer, nobama, republitards, demoturds, general betrayus, etc) might as well begin any argument by screaming "I AM AN UTTERLY IRRELEVANT MORON BLINDLY REGURGITATING THINK THANK TALKING POINTS".

I've found it to be an excellent indicator as to wether someone is worth your time and attention.


Whatever you say, crotchinator

/I keed
 
2013-10-20 09:21:21 PM  

BizarreMan: It's obvious what she's been doing.  She's been collecting a pay check.

I realize that the Federal Insurance Exchange is a big website with lots of intricacies.  But look at Google, Microsoft, and Amazon.  They never had the issues that this site did and there should be enough people out there with experience to make it work.


They also grew gradually and didn't open to a couple million customers right out of the gate.
 
2013-10-20 09:22:42 PM  
Denying lung transplants for kids?

/not a death panel?
 
2013-10-20 09:23:55 PM  

Mithiwithi: Who's more likely to find out why healthcare.gov doesn't work - the party that wants it to work or the party that doesn't?


Upon reflection, the correct answer to that question is "neither". The question of why a software project fails has to get very deep into the technical weeds - choice of software tools, development process, partner (insurance company) coordination, and suchlike, and requires a level of technical expertise Congressmen simply don't have. Would you expect to get anything useful out of Congressional hearings on why Windows 8's Metro interface sucks?
 
2013-10-20 09:24:26 PM  

LoneWolf343: BizarreMan: It's obvious what she's been doing.  She's been collecting a pay check.

I realize that the Federal Insurance Exchange is a big website with lots of intricacies.  But look at Google, Microsoft, and Amazon.  They never had the issues that this site did and there should be enough people out there with experience to make it work.

They also grew gradually and didn't open to a couple hundred million customers right out of the gate.


FTFM
 
2013-10-20 09:30:28 PM  
If there's anyone who knows about insurance, it's Darrel Issa

...he described a series of suspicious actions by Issa before the fire. Adkins, who still worked for Steal Stopper, said that Issa removed the company's Apple II computer from the building, including "all hardware, all software, all the instruction books," and also "the discs for accounts payable, accounts receivable, customer list, everything." According to Adkins, Issa also transferred a copy of every design used by Steal Stopper from a filing cabinet to a fireproof box. He also said that Issa put in the box some important silk screens used in the production of circuit boards. Insurance officials noted that, less than three weeks before the fire, Issa had increased his insurance from a hundred thousand dollars to four hundred and sixty-two thousand dollars.

Link
 
2013-10-20 09:32:36 PM  

Elegy: Lotta republican derangement syndrome in this thread.

I swear, some of you are just as bad about blaming the republicans for something they had nothing to do with as the teatards are about blaming Obama for everything.

Just own the failure already.


So the republicans slashing the budget for this by 4/5ths has nothing to do with anything?
 
2013-10-20 09:33:05 PM  

Warlordtrooper: I see you've never played any online game on release day


It's no longer release day. Tomorrow will be three weeks past release day. Even Sim City at least had a fix in place two days later.
 
2013-10-20 09:35:37 PM  
Computer "glitches" seem massive. USA TODAY reports that "the federal health care exchange was built using 10-year-old technology that may require constant fixes and updates for the next six months and the eventual overhaul of the entire system."

Did they hire republicans to build this so to intentionally sabotage it?  God government is incompetent.
 
2013-10-20 09:35:58 PM  

Cpl.D: Elegy: Lotta republican derangement syndrome in this thread.

I swear, some of you are just as bad about blaming the republicans for something they had nothing to do with as the teatards are about blaming Obama for everything.

Just own the failure already.

So the republicans slashing the budget for this by 4/5ths has nothing to do with anything?


I dont know what the budget was but if it cost more than 25 million, we got robbed.
 
2013-10-20 09:39:03 PM  

cchris_39: Denying lung transplants for kids?

/not a death panel?


ACA insurance doesn't take effect until January. What you're describing is the gop alternative: the status quo.
 
2013-10-20 09:39:16 PM  

namatad: I was going to go in a different direction.
WHY doesnt the government have an IT department?
LOL
They would have had their top web people build the site and it would have been awesome.

OUT SOURCING only makes friends and family money and pretty much never saves any money.
Not in the long run.


There are fundamental flaws with government software development, either in-house or outsourced.  Primarily, the development timelines are set by fiat, without actual consideration for the time needed to properly address the requirements.  The requirements are also mostly mandatory - with little in the way of bells and whistles that could be trimmed if needed.  And the timelines tend to be fairly aggressive.  All of this works together to create a noxious situation.

I work in software development (in private industry).  When an unexpected hiccup takes up development time we wanted to spend elsewhere, there are three basic things that could be considered:
1. Postponing the release - not an option if the release date is written into law
2. Cutting features - again not an option if the law specifies what functionality is needed
3. Adding more resources - this is usually a failing strategy; adding people to a struggling project usually pushes things even further off-track.  Brooks did a good analysis of why in the classic book The Mythical Man-Month; the basic idea is that there are both temporary and permanent decreases in productivity of the existing team members by the addition of a new member, who is initially unproductive until brought up to speed.

The net effect is that a project like this that gets off track is extremely resistant to being brought back on track, because the tools that most software development companies would use to get things back on track are not permitted.  They couldn't cut features, they couldn't push the release date, and adding more people is usually counterproductive.
 
2013-10-20 09:41:52 PM  

skullkrusher: Delay: skullkrusher: You'd think that the GOP would be applauding bugs which prevent people from signing up for CommieCare.

Why? I thought the Republican talking point is that everyone who signs up in the exchanges is charged more for medical insurance?

if no one joins because they aren't interested or it isn't implemented well, I'd imagine that would lend credence to their attacks.


The logical thing to do upon finding oneself on a dead horse is to dismount.
 
2013-10-20 09:43:09 PM  

SlothB77: Computer "glitches" seem massive. USA TODAY reports that "the federal health care exchange was built using 10-year-old technology that may require constant fixes and updates for the next six months and the eventual overhaul of the entire system."

Did they hire republicans to build this so to intentionally sabotage it?  God government is incompetent.


Except the site was built by a private contractors, but don't let reality interrupt the 5 minute hate.
 
2013-10-20 09:50:59 PM  

udhq: SlothB77: Computer "glitches" seem massive. USA TODAY reports that "the federal health care exchange was built using 10-year-old technology that may require constant fixes and updates for the next six months and the eventual overhaul of the entire system."

Did they hire republicans to build this so to intentionally sabotage it?  God government is incompetent.

Except the site was built by a private contractors, but don't let reality interrupt the 5 minute hate.


So the base guards raped and murdered your family? LOL, joke's on you. They were from Blackwater, not US troopz.
 
2013-10-20 09:59:35 PM  

ohdoublereally: I found this in some comments somewhere.  It has to be fake.

The fact is that the Obamacare web site was attacked by racist teabirthers using The Nile of Surface attacks. The code is good, nothing wrong with it. My cousin DeShawn knows how to program HTML and he did a view sores on the web page and he says it's good code.


+1 intertubes
 
2013-10-20 09:59:35 PM  

BizarreMan: It's obvious what she's been doing.  She's been collecting a pay check.

I realize that the Federal Insurance Exchange is a big website with lots of intricacies.  But look at Google, Microsoft, and Amazon.  They never had the issues that this site did and there should be enough people out there with experience to make it work.


Yeah, I mean look at how well SImCity did. No online services EVER crash at the beginning. Especially not anything by pros.

Right? If anyone is going to get high-volume down pat, it's the industry that revolutionized the field.
 
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