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(CNN)   You're a convicted murderer who successfully forged court documents that allowed you to escape prison, and now you're on the lam with a head start. Do you a) stay in the same state b) stay in the same state c) stay in the same state   (cnn.com) divider line 51
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ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-10-20 08:51:14 AM
Isn't it illegal to go to another state to avoid arrest?
 
2013-10-20 09:23:12 AM
I always wondered why murderers didn't drive to Montana and take a long walk northwards.
 
2013-10-20 11:52:47 AM
I kind of doubt they had a big enough bankroll to go anywhere except some friend/relative's basement or some fleabag hotel.
 
2013-10-20 12:19:29 PM
Whar Florida tag...whar?!
 
2013-10-20 12:19:55 PM
Smart enough to forge documents to get out of prison.

But not smart enough to buy a greyhound ticket to Kansas?
 
2013-10-20 12:21:37 PM
Zihuatanejo?
 
2013-10-20 12:23:18 PM

ZAZ: Isn't it illegal to go to another state to avoid arrest?


Convicted murderers who forge prison release documents are known for their strict law-and-order attitudes.
 
2013-10-20 12:24:02 PM
If you're smart enough to successfully evade a national manhunt you don't end up in prison in the first place.
 
2013-10-20 12:26:13 PM
For some reason I have often though about what I would do if running from the law.  I've pretty much figured it out:

1.  Turn cell phone on, duct tape it under a semi-truck at a truck stop.

2.  Take bus to somewhere with lots of sailboats.

3.  Since I used to have a pretty big boat, I know that basically every single boat has an engine key on board.  Kick in the flimsy wooden door.

4.  Sail to South America.
 
2013-10-20 12:27:09 PM
And miss disney worl? Why would you want to leave?
 
2013-10-20 12:27:51 PM
To get a plane ticket, you need an ID.  To get a bus ticket, you need an ID.

Unless you've got personal transporation(unlikely if you're a week out of jail unexpectedly), you're on foot if you want to avoid leaving a paper trail as to where you're headed.

It's hard as hell to travel in this country without being able to be tracked by the authorities.

The best chance anyone has of doing that is to buy a used car with cash and hope the seller doesn't volunteer info if people come asking, and to use cash for gas.

Honestly, those guys never really had a chance of getting away with it unless they stole a boat out of a secluded harbor town and fled to Cuba.  And even then, the Cubans may well sell your ass back to the US authorities if they find out you're there.
 
2013-10-20 12:28:06 PM
Didn't someone call this in the boobies in the original thread?

/pre-filtered for my convenience
 
2013-10-20 12:29:06 PM
Florida's a big enough state, it should be pretty easy to hide there.
 
2013-10-20 12:30:56 PM

YixilTesiphon: ZAZ: Isn't it illegal to go to another state to avoid arrest?

Convicted murderers who forge prison release documents are known for their strict law-and-order attitudes.


Crossing state lines makes it a federal case and those guys have a lot more assets to expend trying to find you. Florida (of course) already has water on 3 sides of it making the escapees' options very limited.
 
2013-10-20 12:32:32 PM

Infernalist: To get a plane ticket, you need an ID.  To get a bus ticket, you need an ID.

Unless you've got personal transporation(unlikely if you're a week out of jail unexpectedly), you're on foot if you want to avoid leaving a paper trail as to where you're headed.

It's hard as hell to travel in this country without being able to be tracked by the authorities.

The best chance anyone has of doing that is to buy a used car with cash and hope the seller doesn't volunteer info if people come asking, and to use cash for gas.

Honestly, those guys never really had a chance of getting away with it unless they stole a boat out of a secluded harbor town and fled to Cuba.  And even then, the Cubans may well sell your ass back to the US authorities if they find out you're there.


The problem with your plan is that you'll need cash, and probably lots of it.

So unless you have someone with a ton of cash helping you, then you'll need to get it someone .. and probably by illegal means like theft or robbery.
 
2013-10-20 12:33:19 PM
I like how the Florida DOC says, "Hey, it wasn't our fault!" Whose was it then?
 
2013-10-20 12:37:13 PM
Hey, at least you're already in a state that has escapable prisons!
 
2013-10-20 12:38:11 PM
Ha! Subby thought he could fool me with a trick question. The answer of course is d) all of the above.
 
GBB
2013-10-20 12:40:58 PM
Choices should have been:
A) have Mom come pick you up from the jail with new clothes,
B) register as a Felon with the local jail within 3 days of release,
C) hang out with family and friends and attend church,
D) all of the above.
 
2013-10-20 12:46:53 PM
Well, if he wants to jump states, he's going to need a photon.
hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu
 
2013-10-20 12:55:14 PM
What sealed their fate was that the media picked up on the story and embarrassed the government.  At that point they'd have happily bankrupt the state to catch these guys.

If these guys got out on a technicality as opposed to forged documents, they'd barely be local news and thus could lay low.
 
2013-10-20 01:05:48 PM
The forged documents thing still gets me. Did they just hand a guard some paperwork through the bars? Don't they have details like release dates saved in, oh I don't know, a database or something?

i1.ytimg.com
 
2013-10-20 01:07:38 PM
I got the impression these guys didn't expect to have to run and go into hiding.  I think they were hoping that they're forged paperwork would just get filed away and ignored in the bureaucratic system, and if I remember correctly, the only way they even got found out is because someone outside the department of corrections, but related to their cases, heard they had gotten released and made someone look into it.  If they had been a little less high profile, or if their crimes had been older and more forgotten about, they might have gotten away with it.

The really big question, though, is if these are the only guys who have done this.  It's entirely possible that other prisoners in Florida or other states have used forged documents to bluff their way out of prison, and that they've never been caught for it.  My guess is that DOCs around the country right now are rushing to audit all their past paperwork to make sure that they haven't been tricked as well.
 
2013-10-20 01:11:15 PM

MBooda: Well, if he wants to jump states, he's going to need a photon.
[hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu image 505x146]


WHAR FLUX CAPACITOR???!!??? WHAR???
 
2013-10-20 01:14:25 PM

BiffDangler: For some reason I have often though about what I would do if running from the law.  I've pretty much figured it out:

1.  Turn cell phone on, duct tape it under a semi-truck at a truck stop.

2.  Take bus to somewhere with lots of sailboats.

3.  Since I used to have a pretty big boat, I know that basically every single boat has an engine key on board.  Kick in the flimsy wooden door.

4.  Sail to South America.


Be careful about which South American country you pick. Most will turn you over to the US without blinking.

The stories you hear about people held up in some country are, somewhat, mistaken. For one; it usually takes being a citizen/national of said country for them to stick their neck out for you. You could request asylum; but, they don't have to take you.

/Also, most of the people who successfully flee obtain another identity.
 
2013-10-20 01:18:53 PM
The hilarious part of this whole deal was the way the news kept referring to the release as an "error" or a "mistake."

No, it was an "escape" which was probably an "inside job."
 
2013-10-20 01:21:19 PM

Infernalist: To get a plane ticket, you need an ID.  To get a bus ticket, you need an ID.

Unless you've got personal transporation(unlikely if you're a week out of jail unexpectedly), you're on foot if you want to avoid leaving a paper trail as to where you're headed.

It's hard as hell to travel in this country without being able to be tracked by the authorities.

The best chance anyone has of doing that is to buy a used car with cash and hope the seller doesn't volunteer info if people come asking, and to use cash for gas.

Honestly, those guys never really had a chance of getting away with it unless they stole a boat out of a secluded harbor town and fled to Cuba.  And even then, the Cubans may well sell your ass back to the US authorities if they find out you're there.


Steal (or carjack) car, drive to a mall or shopping center where you can back in by some concealing landscaping, swap tags with car next to you (doesn't matter if its same make or even type as yours) take that tag and find a car that is a near match to yours and swap them, now you have 2 degrees of separation with the tag and since no one but cops pays attention to the tag the swaps wont in all likelihood be detected for a while, now if your clean shaven go scruffy or vice versa, get some reading glasses (the geekier the better) and pop out the lenses so you can see (most people will not notice the missing lenses) the glasses will break up the line of your face and are less conspicuous as a disguise than sunglasses. now some wild hair dye and some fake tan (even if you are black or dark skinned hispanic the change in skin tone will help) the point is to go full blown retard looking, I mean no one that looks this clueless could be a hardened criminal on the run, they try to blend in, not stand out. Now go to a large city and find a nice homeless shelter and day labor place until you can earn or steal enough for fresh ID and a new start.
 
2013-10-20 01:28:18 PM
3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-10-20 01:34:10 PM
"Ingenius Idiots" sounds like an awesome band name.
 
2013-10-20 01:38:40 PM
www.cityoffilms.com

Maybe he had a one armed man to find.
 
2013-10-20 01:43:27 PM

positronica: I got the impression these guys didn't expect to have to run and go into hiding.  I think they were hoping that they're forged paperwork would just get filed away and ignored in the bureaucratic system, and if I remember correctly, the only way they even got found out is because someone outside the department of corrections, but related to their cases, heard they had gotten released and made someone look into it.  If they had been a little less high profile, or if their crimes had been older and more forgotten about, they might have gotten away with it.

The really big question, though, is if these are the only guys who have done this.  It's entirely possible that other prisoners in Florida or other states have used forged documents to bluff their way out of prison, and that they've never been caught for it.  My guess is that DOCs around the country right now are rushing to audit all their past paperwork to make sure that they haven't been tricked as well.


My guess is they are shredding the past paperwork because they almost assuredly know they were tricked as well. Then, as usual, LE will plant some drugs on a wino to divert attention.

Why so cynical Delay? Only 20% of all murders ever locate an accused. Plastic bag wrapped body in freeway median? Suicide. Arms and legs zip tied together then dropped from a balcony? Suicide.
 
2013-10-20 01:57:21 PM

Delay: positronica: I got the impression these guys didn't expect to have to run and go into hiding.  I think they were hoping that they're forged paperwork would just get filed away and ignored in the bureaucratic system, and if I remember correctly, the only way they even got found out is because someone outside the department of corrections, but related to their cases, heard they had gotten released and made someone look into it.  If they had been a little less high profile, or if their crimes had been older and more forgotten about, they might have gotten away with it.

The really big question, though, is if these are the only guys who have done this.  It's entirely possible that other prisoners in Florida or other states have used forged documents to bluff their way out of prison, and that they've never been caught for it.  My guess is that DOCs around the country right now are rushing to audit all their past paperwork to make sure that they haven't been tricked as well.

My guess is they are shredding the past paperwork because they almost assuredly know they were tricked as well. Then, as usual, LE will plant some drugs on a wino to divert attention.

Why so cynical Delay? Only 20% of all murders ever locate an accused. Plastic bag wrapped body in freeway median? Suicide. Arms and legs zip tied together then dropped from a balcony? Suicide.


Former business partner of the Clintons, gagged, shot in the back of the head and dragged after death? Suicide
 
2013-10-20 02:00:14 PM
It's pretty difficult to pick up and go somewhere where you have no connections.

I started my life over at one point when I left my ex. I decided to walk out of the marriage with nothing so that I could simply be done & get the fark out. No regrets. Knew I was going to leave the area and probably the state. I had a car I owned free and clear, took minimal possessions and ended up borrowing like $3k from family. I moved in with a friend (no need to get a lease) and since I run my own biz, I took that with me and continued working. And with all those advantages (borrowing $, having a place to land, having employment) it was unbelievably farking hard like you probably can't imagine.

I'm more understanding now why people don't simply pick up and farking go when they're in various kinds of danger. Humans are very good at rationalizing, all of us are. Obviously prison for the rest of one's life is an extreme 'danger' at least to the murderers freedom, but people are really good at rationalizing.

Most crooks go home, because that's just what most people do.
 
2013-10-20 02:03:20 PM

danpanic77: The forged documents thing still gets me. Did they just hand a guard some paperwork through the bars? Don't they have details like release dates saved in, oh I don't know, a database or something?



That's the key right there.  I doubt they have photoshop on the prison computers.  Further someone outside the jail had to walk this paperwork through to the clerk's office as there are waaayyyy too many checks on inmate mail from them to have mailed it from inside.  They had bigtime help from the outside by someone who knew how the system worked.

I'm betting there is a lawyer (or some sort of paralegal) involved in this somehow.
 
2013-10-20 02:06:55 PM

keytronic: Smart enough to forge documents to get out of prison.

But not smart enough to buy a greyhound ticket to Kansas?


I hear it is harder to forge US currency than it is to forge a form letter.
 
2013-10-20 02:09:14 PM

Infernalist: To get a bus ticket, you need an ID.


No you don't. You can get bus tickets from a vending machine now.
/I would've been on a boat to Cuba
 
2013-10-20 02:13:38 PM

danpanic77: The forged documents thing still gets me. Did they just hand a guard some paperwork through the bars? Don't they have details like release dates saved in, oh I don't know, a database or something?

[i1.ytimg.com image 480x360]


Often times, databases and networks are avoided on the thought that, if it doesnt exist, some felon can not hack the system and let themselves out.
 
2013-10-20 02:32:47 PM

Nutsac_Jim: keytronic: Smart enough to forge documents to get out of prison.

But not smart enough to buy a greyhound ticket to Kansas?

I hear it is harder to forge US currency than it is to forge a form letter.


Criminals that get caught are usually the lowest rung on the ladder. You really have to get unlucky to get caught, if you are a smart criminal.
 
2013-10-20 02:50:20 PM
Somehow I doubt these prisoners were able to whip up the documents by themselves. Now we're staring down the barrel of an epic prank... Forge these types of documents for thousands of lifers and mail them as "confidential legal correspondence" to convicts or prison front offices.
 
2013-10-20 03:21:50 PM

danpanic77: The forged documents thing still gets me. Did they just hand a guard some paperwork through the bars? Don't they have details like release dates saved in, oh I don't know, a database or something?

[i1.ytimg.com image 480x360]


The way I understand it, they had somebody on the outside fax in a forged court order for their release.

Any small errors in the forgery would be attributed to a bad transmission in the fax machine.  As long as they didn't actually call the judge to confirm the court order it would work just fine.  They didn't call or double-check, they had a faxed in court order saying to release these two convicted murderers serving life sentences and set them free.

So, there is an accomplice out there who set this up.
 
2013-10-20 03:54:07 PM

keytronic: Smart enough to forge documents to get out of prison.

But not smart enough to buy a greyhound ticket to Kansas?


He's still a criminal.

So he's still not smart.
 
2013-10-20 04:39:57 PM

Gyrfalcon: So he's still not smart.


Lets attack under the  cover of broad daylight: they'll never expect it.
 
2013-10-20 04:45:56 PM

corn-bread: I'm betting there is a lawyer (or some sort of paralegal) involved in this somehow.


media.aintitcool.com
 
2013-10-20 04:54:11 PM

Gyrfalcon: keytronic: Smart enough to forge documents to get out of prison.

But not smart enough to buy a greyhound ticket to Kansas?

He's still a criminal.

So he's still not smart.


Everyone's a criminal. America's legal system is so farking broken your mom is probably a rapist thanks to that beer your dad had the night you were conceived. You should really choose a better chip to have on your shoulder.
 
2013-10-20 06:59:56 PM

Nemo's Brother: Former business partner of the Clintons, gagged, shot in the back of the head and dragged after death?


Something millions of morons still believe happened!
 
2013-10-20 07:10:14 PM
Of course you stay in the same state.  Any intelligent fleeing criminal could tell you that.  You have to consider all the advantages of staying near home.

A) It's your home.  You know it better then anyone else.  You know all the crackhouses, crime areas and other general places cops try to avoid.

B) You have connections.  Friends and Family who can take you in and hide you.  It's highly unlikely that any cops are going to be watching them since they didn't do anything wrong, you did.  So go on, as soon as you get out make a run for you mother's.  You're in the clear.

C) Hiding in plain sight.  Everybody expects you to flee across state lines when you flee so police will be on the lookout for you to do that.  The best way to avoid detection is to hide where they are least likely to search.  A great example of this is any hotel directly across the street from a local police station. The cops will think no criminal is bold enough to stay there but lo, they will never search it for the same reason.
 
2013-10-20 09:06:49 PM

MBooda: Well, if he wants to jump states, he's going to need a photon.
[hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu image 505x146]


farm2.staticflickr.com
 
2013-10-20 10:39:18 PM

doglover: Gyrfalcon: keytronic: Smart enough to forge documents to get out of prison.

But not smart enough to buy a greyhound ticket to Kansas?

He's still a criminal.

So he's still not smart.

Everyone's a criminal. America's legal system is so farking broken your mom is probably a rapist thanks to that beer your dad had the night you were conceived. You should really choose a better chip to have on your shoulder.


??

He's still a criminal. So he's still not smart.
How is that a chip? It's just a statement of fact.
 
2013-10-20 10:54:20 PM

basemetal: I kind of doubt they had a big enough bankroll to go anywhere except some friend/relative's basement or some fleabag hotel.


img2-3.timeinc.net
 
2013-10-21 01:01:32 AM
They should get some kind of additional sentence for staying in Panama City.

What a shiathole.
 
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