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(Huffington Post)   First Obamacare application figures revealed, and there's really no way to put anything close to a positive spin on it. Thanks, Obama   (huffingtonpost.com ) divider line
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2013-10-20 08:08:40 AM  
Subby sounds racist. DNRTFA
 
2013-10-20 08:13:19 AM  
Oh, don't worry. The FARK spin squad will be here soon to explain the awesomeness to you! submitter.
 
2013-10-20 08:28:20 AM  

Nabb1: Oh, don't worry. The FARK spin squad will be here soon to explain the awesomeness to you! submitter.


They got beat by the if'n he's fir it, I'm aginst it crowd already
 
2013-10-20 08:29:03 AM  

hasty ambush: Subby sounds racist. DNRTFA


Does it matter what the article says?
 
2013-10-20 08:31:42 AM  
I'm not trying to spin anything but all the article says is that a shiatload of people signed up for it, as expected.
 
2013-10-20 08:34:02 AM  
476,000 with all the problems the sites are having. This is obviously a complete and total disaster and we should down everything!!!
 
2013-10-20 08:38:29 AM  

Dinki: 476,000 with all the problems the sites are having. This is obviously a complete and total disaster and we should down everything!!!


This is a complete disaster for Obama. The plan was to force people off their insurance and onto government insurance. People were supposed to lose their doctors. People were to have to have their healthcare get so expensive, they'd queue-up to get shiatty socialist medicine.

And instead, only 476,000 registered three months ahead of the deadline.
 
2013-10-20 08:39:25 AM  
Let's see...how to spin this...

467,000 people that didn't have health insurance before October 1st now do.

The CBO projects that 7 million people will sign up for this from October 1st to March 31st. That's 6% of the estimate in 20 days. And that's with a badly functioning website. Not bad.

Ooh yeah, that was really hard to figure out some positive talking points.

If we had only listened to the GOP, this problem never would have happened. How's THAT for some backhanded spin?
 
2013-10-20 08:47:17 AM  
"There's no way to put a positive spin on it," said subby as he put a negative spin on it and twirled his neckbeard.
 
2013-10-20 08:47:24 AM  

Lando Lincoln: Let's see...how to spin this...

467,000 people that didn't have health insurance before October 1st now do.

The CBO projects that 7 million people will sign up for this from October 1st to March 31st. That's 6% of the estimate in 20 days. And that's with a badly functioning website. Not bad.

Ooh yeah, that was really hard to figure out some positive talking points.

If we had only listened to the GOP, this problem never would have happened. How's THAT for some backhanded spin?


That's 467,000 applications, not actual enrollment, which, according to the article, no one is divulging right now.
 
2013-10-20 08:54:18 AM  

Nabb1: That's 467,000 applications, not actual enrollment, which, according to the article, no one is divulging right now.


So until we have numbers, we should just assume the program is a failure. Sounds reasonable.
 
2013-10-20 08:58:39 AM  
In another ACA related thread another Farker and I were talking about collecting the anecdotes of people who are going to see a positive impact from the ACA in order to push back a bit against the disinformarion, distortions and outright lies circulating recently.

I've seen more than one Farker talking about what the ACA will do for them.

With that in mind, I set up a Tumblr at http://acasuccessstories.tumblr.com a few hours ago. Right now it just has my story on it, but if you have a success story you'd like to share, it'd be great if you could tell it at http://acasuccessstories.tumblr.com/submit.

We felt that it's better to respond to lies with facts. Too much crap like what Hannity pulled has been going on.

While the implementation of the federal site has some serious problems, I beleive they wil be addressed well before the new plans take effect. And maybe some positive anecdotes will help push people in states that refused to implement the ACA to throw out their leadership.
 
2013-10-20 08:59:02 AM  

Lando Lincoln: Nabb1: That's 467,000 applications, not actual enrollment, which, according to the article, no one is divulging right now.

So until we have numbers, we should just assume the program is a failure. Sounds reasonable.


Stop spinning!!1!
 
2013-10-20 08:59:07 AM  

Nabb1: Lando Lincoln: Let's see...how to spin this...

467,000 people that didn't have health insurance before October 1st now do.

The CBO projects that 7 million people will sign up for this from October 1st to March 31st. That's 6% of the estimate in 20 days. And that's with a badly functioning website. Not bad.

Ooh yeah, that was really hard to figure out some positive talking points.

If we had only listened to the GOP, this problem never would have happened. How's THAT for some backhanded spin?

That's 467,000 applications, not actual enrollment, which, according to the article, no one is divulging right now.


whats the difference? is there any way for your application to get denyd?
 
2013-10-20 09:01:06 AM  

SirVagTheTighty: Nabb1: Lando Lincoln: Let's see...how to spin this...

467,000 people that didn't have health insurance before October 1st now do.

The CBO projects that 7 million people will sign up for this from October 1st to March 31st. That's 6% of the estimate in 20 days. And that's with a badly functioning website. Not bad.

Ooh yeah, that was really hard to figure out some positive talking points.

If we had only listened to the GOP, this problem never would have happened. How's THAT for some backhanded spin?

That's 467,000 applications, not actual enrollment, which, according to the article, no one is divulging right now.

whats the difference? is there any way for your application to get denyd?


If you check the "I voted for Romney" box that they put on the applications then they'll reject it and armed IRS agents will forcibly audit you.
 
2013-10-20 09:01:10 AM  

Nabb1: That's 467,000 applications, not actual enrollment, which, according to the article, no one is divulging right now.


Processing half a million applications for healthcare coverage seems like a huge undertaking to me. The few times I applied for ins on the open market it took a week or two for them to get back to me. Now consider that many applications hitting the system in a few weeks. I have to think that the communication between the exchanges and ins providers is not perfect and there are kinks that need to be worked out as well. That doesn't mean a damn thing for the final enrollment numbers.

This was never designed to finish the enrollment of that many people right away. There is a pretty freaking good reason open enrollment does not end until Mar 31st. Getting an estimated 7 million people insured is a huge thing that does not happen overnight.

You feeling ok? It's not like you to derp so hard.
 
2013-10-20 09:01:43 AM  
Why do today, what you can put off for five-and-a-half months....  yawn.
 
2013-10-20 09:03:40 AM  

SirVagTheTighty: whats the difference? is there any way for your application to get denyd?


The only way I can think of is if you cock up the application, like writing "ok" in the field that says "do not write in this field"  in which I would guess they'd just tell you what you did wrong and tell you to re-submit.
 
2013-10-20 09:06:47 AM  

Lando Lincoln: Nabb1: That's 467,000 applications, not actual enrollment, which, according to the article, no one is divulging right now.

So until we have numbers, we should just assume the program is a failure. Sounds reasonable.


No, but I wouldn't fall all over myself to laud it's awesomeness without the facts, which is what I said would happen in this thread. And it has. Unflinching loyalty and fealty is admirable.
 
2013-10-20 09:10:56 AM  

Nabb1: Lando Lincoln: Nabb1: That's 467,000 applications, not actual enrollment, which, according to the article, no one is divulging right now.

So until we have numbers, we should just assume the program is a failure. Sounds reasonable.

No, but I wouldn't fall all over myself to laud it's awesomeness without the facts, which is what I said would happen in this thread. And it has. Unflinching loyalty and fealty is admirable.


It has? Please point out in this thread where people have said that it's awesome.

Actually, they haven't. You're just so incredibly biased that anyone claiming that this program is not a massive failure are obviously Obamabots that are blind to the "truth."
 
2013-10-20 09:11:21 AM  

sammyk: Nabb1: That's 467,000 applications, not actual enrollment, which, according to the article, no one is divulging right now.

Processing half a million applications for healthcare coverage seems like a huge undertaking to me. The few times I applied for ins on the open market it took a week or two for them to get back to me. Now consider that many applications hitting the system in a few weeks. I have to think that the communication between the exchanges and ins providers is not perfect and there are kinks that need to be worked out as well. That doesn't mean a damn thing for the final enrollment numbers.

This was never designed to finish the enrollment of that many people right away. There is a pretty freaking good reason open enrollment does not end until Mar 31st. Getting an estimated 7 million people insured is a huge thing that does not happen overnight.

You feeling ok? It's not like you to derp so hard.


I was not offering a critique of the program. I was commenting on the predictability of these threads.
 
2013-10-20 09:11:45 AM  

Nabb1: I wouldn't fall all over myself to laud it's awesomeness without the facts


That hasn't happened at all in this thread.
 
2013-10-20 09:12:33 AM  

SirVagTheTighty: whats the difference? is there any way for your application to get denyd?


I'm not totally certain how the federal site works, but the state sites work by allowing you to create an account, where you provide all your information- stuff like income, dependents, and so forth.

You are then given access to a list of plans with varying premiums and benefits. You can choose one and sign up right then or come back later. In my case, I signed up for the state exchange site, filled in all the info and came back a couple of days later, got all the plan details I was interested in, downloaded the PDF files, showed them to my wife and we talked about it, then we made a choice and when I had a chance I signed back on and enrolled.

So it was something like two weeks after I signed up for the exchange that I actually completed enrollment in a plan. I would imagine there's a lot of that going on as well as generalized foot-dragging.
 
2013-10-20 09:12:36 AM  

Lando Lincoln: Nabb1: Lando Lincoln: Nabb1: That's 467,000 applications, not actual enrollment, which, according to the article, no one is divulging right now.

So until we have numbers, we should just assume the program is a failure. Sounds reasonable.

No, but I wouldn't fall all over myself to laud it's awesomeness without the facts, which is what I said would happen in this thread. And it has. Unflinching loyalty and fealty is admirable.

It has? Please point out in this thread where people have said that it's awesome.

Actually, they haven't. You're just so incredibly biased that anyone claiming that this program is not a massive failure are obviously Obamabots that are blind to the "truth."


Touchy this morning. Who peed in your corn flakes? I haven't said anything about the success or failure of the program, which the jury is obviously still out on.
 
2013-10-20 09:15:16 AM  

Mugato: That hasn't happened at all in this thread.


I will say that the ACA is awesome, but that's because I was able to get a great plan for a great price, and I really needed it. I wish we'd managed to get single payer instead of what we did get, but it's better than what we had.

The best ammunition people have against the ACA is the costs in states that refused to cooperate with the federal government on the rollout. No Medicaid expansion, no state exchange, and now they can screech about it.
 
2013-10-20 09:16:30 AM  
Curious as to how many of those commenting on this thread a) tried to sign up and b) were successful in their first, oh, let's say...20 tries (we'll be generous).

If you're commenting but haven't had the pleasure of trying to try this train-wreck of a web site, I think you should really just sit back and STFU.

Based on the numbers released (and who knows how accurate they are), lot's of people tried to sign up, and less than 500,000 succeeded? And that doesn't include how many actually enrolled?

This is not about the plan.  This is about the implementation of the plan, which so far has been a disaster, which even the president (not only is he POTUS, but he's also president of the Obamacare Fan Club) has deemed to be not acceptable.

So again, if you haven't had the pleasure of going through the process, and actually experiencing the pure frustration that this web site dishes out, STFU because you have no idea what you're talking about.
 
2013-10-20 09:17:35 AM  
Wow!  Nearly one in six hundred Americans  tried to get somebody else to foot the bill for their pre existing conditions.  That's almost two tenths of one percent!

This totally justifies trashing the system that worked for a majority of Americans
 
2013-10-20 09:18:33 AM  

Cyclometh: I will say that the ACA is awesome, but that's because I was able to get a great plan for a great price, and I really needed it. I wish we'd managed to get single payer instead of what we did get, but it's better than what we had.


Well then you have a legitimate reason to say it's awesome. This dude is saying that everyone in this thread is going to cheerlead for it automatically and I think he's getting pissed that isn't happening.
 
2013-10-20 09:19:19 AM  
The talking points have been issued. HIDE YOUR CHICKENS!
 
2013-10-20 09:19:39 AM  

Il Douchey: This totally justifies trashing the system that worked for a majority of Americans


No it didn't.
 
2013-10-20 09:20:52 AM  

Nabb1: Lando Lincoln: Nabb1: That's 467,000 applications, not actual enrollment, which, according to the article, no one is divulging right now.

So until we have numbers, we should just assume the program is a failure. Sounds reasonable.

No, but I wouldn't fall all over myself to laud it's awesomeness without the facts, which is what I said would happen in this thread. And it has. Unflinching loyalty and fealty is admirable.


Subby: "It sucks!"
Nabb: "They'll say it's awesome!"
People: "Too early to tell."
Nabb: "See? I told you so!"
 
2013-10-20 09:21:58 AM  

Cyclometh: Il Douchey: This totally justifies trashing the system that worked for a majority of Americans

No it didn't.


Well, you have to admit, a majority of Americans didn't suffer medical expenses that were ruinous. Just some of them.
 
2013-10-20 09:22:47 AM  

superdolfan1: So again, if you haven't had the pleasure of going through the process, and actually experiencing the pure frustration that this web site dishes out, STFU because you have no idea what you're talking about.


If you're having to use the healthcare.gov site, I sympathize. But please remember  why you have to use it instead of a state exchange, most of which are working perfectly fine (Oregon's is having trouble, I think).

Your state's elected leadership should be held accountable for throwing you under the bus. The federal site has problems, but it was unnecessary for so many states to inflict it on their citizens out of what I can only assume was spite or pique.
 
2013-10-20 09:22:56 AM  
 
2013-10-20 09:23:01 AM  

Mugato: Cyclometh: I will say that the ACA is awesome, but that's because I was able to get a great plan for a great price, and I really needed it. I wish we'd managed to get single payer instead of what we did get, but it's better than what we had.

Well then you have a legitimate reason to say it's awesome. This dude is saying that everyone in this thread is going to cheerlead for it automatically and I think he's getting pissed that isn't happening.


Bless your heart. Chuckles, it doesn't seem like I'm the one who is getting pissed.
 
2013-10-20 09:24:37 AM  

Nabb1: Bless your heart. Chuckles, it doesn't seem like I'm the one who is getting pissed.


Well, you do seem either very irritable or quite  concerned.And frankly, it's a little out of character for you to be this snippy.
 
2013-10-20 09:25:29 AM  

Bareefer Obonghit: "There's no way to put a positive spin on it," said subby as he put a negative spin on it and twirled his neckbeard.


"The Spinning Neckbeards" would be a great band name.
 
2013-10-20 09:26:33 AM  

Nabb1: Bless your heart. Chuckles, it doesn't seem like I'm the one who is getting pissed.


Who's pissed? I'm amused that the polar opposite of what you repeatedly said would happen is happening. People in this thread are dismissing it out of hand incredibly prematurely and without all the facts. So yeah, I am chuckling.
 
2013-10-20 09:27:03 AM  

gilgigamesh: "The Spinning Neckbeards" would be a great band name


Or rather "The Twirling Neckbeards". Yes, better
 
2013-10-20 09:30:02 AM  

Cyclometh: Nabb1: Bless your heart. Chuckles, it doesn't seem like I'm the one who is getting pissed.

Well, you do seem either very irritable or quite  concerned.And frankly, it's a little out of character for you to be this snippy.


I made a snarky comment and everyone shiat their pants and gets defensive and pedantic and I'm snippy?
 
2013-10-20 09:30:30 AM  

Cyclometh: superdolfan1: So again, if you haven't had the pleasure of going through the process, and actually experiencing the pure frustration that this web site dishes out, STFU because you have no idea what you're talking about.

If you're having to use the healthcare.gov site, I sympathize. But please remember  why you have to use it instead of a state exchange, most of which are working perfectly fine (Oregon's is having trouble, I think).

Your state's elected leadership should be held accountable for throwing you under the bus. The federal site has problems, but it was unnecessary for so many states to inflict it on their citizens out of what I can only assume was spite or pique.


The thing that kills me is that the states most interested in state control handed control to the federal government.
 
2013-10-20 09:35:00 AM  

vygramul: The thing that kills me is that the states most interested in state control handed control to the federal government.


Those states are more interested in Obamacare failing than in controlling health insurance.
 
2013-10-20 09:37:53 AM  
Here's the success stories tumblr I started, with a working link this time: ACA Success Stories. If you have a success story you'd like to share, I hope you'll consider doing so by submitting your own.

There's a lot of disinformation and anecdotes portraying the ACA negatively, frequently dishonestly (see Salon's response to Sean Hannity's story of "Obamacare horror stories" for one example),  But individuals who have a good experience with the ACA don't get listened to, or have their story lost in the noise.
 
2013-10-20 09:38:05 AM  

Nabb1: Cyclometh: Nabb1: Bless your heart. Chuckles, it doesn't seem like I'm the one who is getting pissed.

Well, you do seem either very irritable or quite  concerned.And frankly, it's a little out of character for you to be this snippy.

I made a snarky comment and everyone shiat their pants and gets defensive and pedantic and I'm snippy?


Defensive and pedantic? Pointing out the actual numbers is defensive and pedantic now? Are you kidding?
 
2013-10-20 09:40:06 AM  

Nabb1: Cyclometh: Nabb1: Bless your heart. Chuckles, it doesn't seem like I'm the one who is getting pissed.

Well, you do seem either very irritable or quite  concerned.And frankly, it's a little out of character for you to be this snippy.

I made a snarky comment and everyone shiat their pants and gets defensive and pedantic and I'm snippy?


So you were trolling and it was successful?
 
2013-10-20 09:41:34 AM  

sammyk: Nabb1: Cyclometh: Nabb1: Bless your heart. Chuckles, it doesn't seem like I'm the one who is getting pissed.

Well, you do seem either very irritable or quite  concerned.And frankly, it's a little out of character for you to be this snippy.

I made a snarky comment and everyone shiat their pants and gets defensive and pedantic and I'm snippy?

So you were trolling and it was successful?


Well, when you say it like that you make it sound so bad.
 
2013-10-20 09:49:56 AM  

gilgigamesh: gilgigamesh: "The Spinning Neckbeards" would be a great band name

Or rather "The Twirling Neckbeards". Yes, better


Sounds too hipster for my tastes.
 
2013-10-20 09:51:04 AM  

Cyclometh: Here's the success stories tumblr I started, with a working link this time: ACA Success Stories. If you have a success story you'd like to share, I hope you'll consider doing so by submitting your own.

There's a lot of disinformation and anecdotes portraying the ACA negatively, frequently dishonestly (see Salon's response to Sean Hannity's story of "Obamacare horror stories" for one example),  But individuals who have a good experience with the ACA don't get listened to, or have their story lost in the noise.


I'm having a problem with the site (hopufully not done by the same people that did healthcare.gov).  There is only one success story.  Where are the rest?  Can you post a working link for them also?  I really want to read about more than one success story.  Thanks.

Meanwhile, you're all still missing the point.  Perhaps an analogy.  Say this ACA was a destination that you must use a plane to get to.  It's supposed to be a great destination, at least that what the travel agents have said.  You go online to buy a ticket.  It rejects you.  Numerous times. Over and over again.  Finally you get in, after using the correct user name and password but being told that you didn't use it, so you used the "forgot my password" link and *wow*, you did, in fact, use the right ones, but that's not important right now since you're in.  And then you're told that you're not in, that they've never heard of you.  To start over again.  Think this is a joke?  I'm not laughing.

Regarding the state throwing under the bus comment...c'mon man.  It's got nothing to do with that.  It's got to do with a sign-up system that was not done correctly.  And you and I (and a whole bunch of others) paid over $100,000,000 for it.  Seriously?  How many people's healthcare policies could have been paid for with $100,000,000?

Again, this is not about the program.  It is about the implementation of the program.  It has failed (so far).  If the same people who are implementing the program are going to run the program, then we may have other issues.
 
2013-10-20 10:01:40 AM  
So, when can we have single-payer?
 
2013-10-20 10:02:59 AM  

superdolfan1: There is only one success story.  Where are the rest?  Can you post a working link for them also?


The one is mine, and the tumblr was created less than 12 hours ago, after a conversation between myself and another Farker. In every one of these threads there's people who tell their own story, so I hope to get some of those folks to share theirs. Since it's brand-new, there's not a lot there yet.

superdolfan1: Regarding the state throwing under the bus comment...c'mon man.  It's got nothing to do with that.


It has everything to do with that. Yes, the federal site has problems, which will be addressed (there's no reason to believe they won't)., but the blame lies with the states that refused to implement their own exchanges or the Medicaid expansion. Their elected leadership failed them, and in fact actively harmed them.

There's two issues at play here: The poor implementation of the federal website, which is a major issue and needs to be corrected ASAP. The fact that it was even necessary to have the federal website is to be laid directly at the the feet of the leadership of those states that dragged their feet and obstructed the ACA at every turn.

The price tag is an issue, but compare it to the costs of the war in Afghanistan: Over 1.5 billion dollars a week. Or maybe the cost of the Iraq war, which is anywhere from two to six trillion. We've spent far more to accomplish far less in the recent past. I would prefer that we address the problems, move ahead and get people signed up for healthcare, which I have no reason to believe is not and will not occur.
 
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