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2013-10-20 01:18:47 AM
That's too bad. It really is. Accidents happen, even to the most experienced people.

That said, there's something funny about people living in union towns being farked over by unions and having the temerity to complain about it. I hope the strike goes on for months, it's providing endless entertainment.
 
2013-10-20 01:35:40 AM
Cowabunga, dude!
 
2013-10-20 01:47:21 AM

Adolf Oliver Nipples: That's too bad. It really is. Accidents happen, even to the most experienced people.

That said, there's something funny about people living in union towns being farked over by unions and having the temerity to complain about it. I hope the strike goes on for months, it's providing endless entertainment.


Yeah, the workers should only protest if it doesn't inconvenience people who aren't involved.

/Yes, that was sarcasm.
 
2013-10-20 01:51:21 AM
skynet comes to life. Won't let a strike stop its playing with trains.
 
2013-10-20 01:51:22 AM

LordJiro: Adolf Oliver Nipples: That's too bad. It really is. Accidents happen, even to the most experienced people.

That said, there's something funny about people living in union towns being farked over by unions and having the temerity to complain about it. I hope the strike goes on for months, it's providing endless entertainment.

Yeah, the workers should only protest if it doesn't inconvenience people who aren't involved.

/Yes, that was sarcasm.


I think his point was that it's funny how pro-union San Franciscans are... until the unions go on strike. Then they complain about it.
 
2013-10-20 01:55:32 AM
FTA: "Paul Oversier, BART's head of operations, told reporters that the two workers were looking into a possible slight dip in the rail when they were hit. "

I'm REALLY hoping his last name isn't pronounced like "Overseer".

Adolf Oliver Nipples: That said, there's something funny about people living in union towns being farked over by unions and having the temerity to complain about it.


[sarcasm on]
Yeah... people who participate in strikes, civil disobedience, protests, or anything of the sort should NEVER inconvenience others to make a statement.
Seriously.
[sarcasm off]

Do you have any idea what the POINT of such actions are?
 
2013-10-20 01:58:46 AM
WHY YOU LITTLE!
 
2013-10-20 02:00:56 AM
The BART union is so full of shiat, such a dumb strike. Glad we don't have BART in the South Bay yet.

/their average salary is 70k and they think they should get more? highest paid transit workers, what a joke.
 
2013-10-20 02:03:00 AM
BART vs. the World
 
2013-10-20 02:14:03 AM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: I think his point was that it's funny how pro-union San Franciscans are... until the unions go on strike. Then they complain about it.


One can be supportive of labor unions yet still think public sector unions should be held to binding arbitration in disputes with management.
 
2013-10-20 02:16:43 AM
Oversier, BART's head of operations,

I love it when people have the same name as their job.
 
2013-10-20 02:16:57 AM

Adolf Oliver Nipples: That's too bad. It really is. Accidents happen, even to the most experienced people.

That said, there's something funny about people living in union towns being farked over by unions and having the temerity to complain about it. I hope the strike goes on for months, it's providing endless entertainment.


Well, they're honoring all the other terms of their last contract while they hammer this out. I'm not really sure what makes the "no strike" clause special.
 
2013-10-20 02:19:11 AM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: LordJiro: Adolf Oliver Nipples: That's too bad. It really is. Accidents happen, even to the most experienced people.

That said, there's something funny about people living in union towns being farked over by unions and having the temerity to complain about it. I hope the strike goes on for months, it's providing endless entertainment.

Yeah, the workers should only protest if it doesn't inconvenience people who aren't involved.

/Yes, that was sarcasm.

I think his point was that it's funny how pro-union San Franciscans are... until the unions go on strike. Then they complain about it.


Don't assume that just because a city has a lot of unions that it's pro-union.  I grew up in Detroit and it's amazing how much ... I don't want to say hate because it's not hate... disdain there is for the unions.  It's not even about the money a lot of times (though the bit where the UAW line workers made more than the engineers tells you everything you need to know about why American cars sucked), it's about the job bank, the protection of obvious incompetents, and the "need to wait 3 hours for union electrician to show up and flip switch" (and then the massive corruption that that attitude enabled in Detroit where there'd be positions like "official horseshoer" who made $100+K/year (And Detroit 100+K is a totally different beast than SF 100+K)).

In general, the tech guys are pretty anti-union.  They're all very libertarian meritocracy types who believe that riches come to those who work hard and smart.  Somewhat more importantly, they REALLY, REALLY despise the anti-innovation, anti-efficiency stance of the unions.  And in an environment where you can wear 2 or 3 different hats in a single day, having an official electrician before whom all other considerations must bow is just farking stupid.  You do the work that's put in front of you and if you want more pay, great, here's some stock, now go work hard and make that be worth something.

/One of the tech guys.  The luck factor is really understated.
//Unions were necessary, and they're still necessary in places of really dangerous jobs where safety is a consideration.
 
2013-10-20 02:23:01 AM

TheJoe03: The BART union is so full of shiat, such a dumb strike. Glad we don't have BART in the South Bay yet.

/their average salary is 70k and they think they should get more? highest paid transit workers, what a joke.


Let's be fair.  $70K gets you to kind of middle class if you're smart with your money around here.  I'm at $70K and I'm flat broke, tens of thousands in debt, and I have a roommate.
 
2013-10-20 02:24:48 AM
FTA: "They were supposed to stay clear of the track and be able to clear the operating area within 15 seconds of a train reaching them, Oversier said."

I see the problem. They should aim to clear the operating area 15 seconds before a train reaches them. Once the train reaches them, they're dead and, therefor, unable to clear the area within 15 seconds.
 
2013-10-20 02:24:54 AM
I chuckled at this. Not because people died, but... whatever, you 'get it'.
 
2013-10-20 02:26:31 AM
When it comes to inconvenience and San Francisco traffic NOTHING is more annoying than those douches from "critical mass" and their bike rides. Between the Tour de France wannabes and the bearded tools in recumbent bicycles, that thing makes me wish it snowed (enough) the Bay Area so I could pelt those losers with slush balls.

I never understood the point of a bunch of do nothings slowing down a bunch of productive people trying to get to and from work.
 
2013-10-20 02:27:20 AM
One of those guys picked a bad day to go scabbing.
 
2013-10-20 02:28:45 AM

HotWingAgenda: Oversier, BART's head of operations,

I love it when people have the same name as their job.


www.hobbeslives.com
 
2013-10-20 02:32:17 AM
Losers on strike. Cant even drive a train correctly off duty.
 
2013-10-20 02:37:01 AM

DrPainMD: Once the train reaches them, they're dead and, therefor, unable to clear the area within 15 seconds.


Actually the train clears the area at that point. So technically they're still able to clear the area and likely much faster that 15 seconds.
 
2013-10-20 02:37:24 AM

TheJoe03: The BART union is so full of shiat, such a dumb strike. Glad we don't have BART in the South Bay yet.

/their average salary is 70k and they think they should get more? highest paid transit workers, what a joke.


Don't have a cow, man!
 
2013-10-20 02:37:33 AM

meyerkev: Let's be fair.  $70K gets you to kind of middle class if you're smart with your money around here.  I'm at $70K and I'm flat broke, tens of thousands in debt, and I have a roommate.


Understood, but let's not act like the jobs they do are so hard that they deserve to be making six figures.
 
2013-10-20 02:37:42 AM
"He chose to come to work."

Union hit job!
 
2013-10-20 02:39:21 AM

HotWingAgenda: Oversier, BART's head of operations,

I love it when people have the same name as their job.


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2013-10-20 03:54:50 AM

meyerkev: //Unions were necessary, and they're still necessary in places of really dangerous jobs where safety is a consideration.


I'd say unions are a useful counterbalance to the increasingly slash-and-burn, rape-and-pillage attitude of modern corporations, but sometimes the enemy of my enemy is still my enemy.

If it was just about wages and safe working conditions, I'd have no problem with it. Money doesn't make me jealous. But it's the corruption among the bosses that becomes a problem, the tit for tat of protecting laziness to enrich the top, and even though not every union is the AFL-CIO or UAW, every one ends up smeared with the brush, like HOAs that aren't run by tinpot dictators.

Maybe the more benevolent ones just need to rebrand and stop calling themselves unions. The name has run its course and become a political third rail over the last decade.
 
2013-10-20 03:56:20 AM

nickdaisy: When it comes to inconvenience and San Francisco traffic NOTHING is more annoying than those douches from "critical mass" and their bike rides. Between the Tour de France wannabes and the bearded tools in recumbent bicycles, that thing makes me wish it snowed (enough) the Bay Area so I could pelt those losers with slush balls.

I never understood the point of a bunch of do nothings slowing down a bunch of productive people trying to get to and from work.


I used to ride bikes. And I've lived in places where bikes mixed in well with the urban traffic. But dear god, the critical mass douches and all of the other farking douchey douchey cyclists who think their shiat doesn't stink because they got on a bike so now you can kiss their morally superior ass have actually made me hate bikes so much that I don't even want to ride them any more because just LOOKING at a bike makes me angry now. I live in the country now, semi-nearish to SF and rich assholes LOVE to ride on little two lane, narrow, winding roads in the hills, surrounded by trees with very poor visibility so that you HAVE to slow down for the longest farking time ever before you can pass them. They will slow you down to 10 and 15 miles on 40 and 45 mph roads, when you are trying to commute to work. There are roads you can't use without running into them, and THEY aren't commuting, they're out in their special bicycle spandex, enjoying the views. FARK those people. Seriously fark them. So farking what if it's their hobby. I like to walk. Do I walk in the middle of the farking road? No.

I think, in general, it's a good idea to make it so that you can use a bicycle in a city instead of a car, and have good bike lanes, etc. But making it difficult to use a car? fark you.
 
2013-10-20 04:39:42 AM

ambercat: nickdaisy: When it comes to inconvenience and San Francisco traffic NOTHING is more annoying than those douches from "critical mass" and their bike rides. Between the Tour de France wannabes and the bearded tools in recumbent bicycles, that thing makes me wish it snowed (enough) the Bay Area so I could pelt those losers with slush balls.

I never understood the point of a bunch of do nothings slowing down a bunch of productive people trying to get to and from work.

I used to ride bikes. And I've lived in places where bikes mixed in well with the urban traffic. But dear god, the critical mass douches and all of the other farking douchey douchey cyclists who think their shiat doesn't stink because they got on a bike so now you can kiss their morally superior ass have actually made me hate bikes so much that I don't even want to ride them any more because just LOOKING at a bike makes me angry now. I live in the country now, semi-nearish to SF and rich assholes LOVE to ride on little two lane, narrow, winding roads in the hills, surrounded by trees with very poor visibility so that you HAVE to slow down for the longest farking time ever before you can pass them. They will slow you down to 10 and 15 miles on 40 and 45 mph roads, when you are trying to commute to work. There are roads you can't use without running into them, and THEY aren't commuting, they're out in their special bicycle spandex, enjoying the views. FARK those people. Seriously fark them. So farking what if it's their hobby. I like to walk. Do I walk in the middle of the farking road? No.

I think, in general, it's a good idea to make it so that you can use a bicycle in a city instead of a car, and have good bike lanes, etc. But making it difficult to use a car? fark you.


Bicycles lose because they're small and slow. It's the law of the jungle on the streets. If cars could fly airline pilots would be much ruder to drivers.
 
2013-10-20 04:57:46 AM
If only there had been a good guy with a train.....
 
2013-10-20 05:15:30 AM
This is the position I've come to: I respect a union's right to walk off the job. However, this job is so depended on by their customers, striking harms the customers and the economy. I know a lot of people that depend on BART to get to their jobs. Striking should be outlawed for BART, and instead there should be binding arbitration. Both sides should be able to make their cases before a mediator (AKA, off-duty or retired judge).

I also know people that work for BART. While I feel for them because the contract would actually give them slightly less take-home pay (the increased payments into healthcare and pensions cause this), they've caused enough harm to the entire Bay Area. Maybe the union will win this round, but it'll be a Pyrrhic victory. The public already hates the BART workers for striking once this summer. Sorry, my friends. Call me a coward for not saying it to your face, but I don't want a fist fight, and the Bay Area doesn't want a 90 minute/day commute turning into 4 hours a day at greater expense.

If the question is posed at a ballot box, I will vote for making BART strikes illegal when there's binding arbitration.
 
2013-10-20 05:15:58 AM

ambercat: nickdaisy: When it comes to inconvenience and San Francisco traffic NOTHING is more annoying than those douches from "critical mass" and their bike rides. Between the Tour de France wannabes and the bearded tools in recumbent bicycles, that thing makes me wish it snowed (enough) the Bay Area so I could pelt those losers with slush balls.

I never understood the point of a bunch of do nothings slowing down a bunch of productive people trying to get to and from work.

I used to ride bikes. And I've lived in places where bikes mixed in well with the urban traffic. But dear god, the critical mass douches and all of the other farking douchey douchey cyclists who think their shiat doesn't stink because they got on a bike so now you can kiss their morally superior ass have actually made me hate bikes so much that I don't even want to ride them any more because just LOOKING at a bike makes me angry now. I live in the country now, semi-nearish to SF and rich assholes LOVE to ride on little two lane, narrow, winding roads in the hills, surrounded by trees with very poor visibility so that you HAVE to slow down for the longest farking time ever before you can pass them. They will slow you down to 10 and 15 miles on 40 and 45 mph roads, when you are trying to commute to work. There are roads you can't use without running into them, and THEY aren't commuting, they're out in their special bicycle spandex, enjoying the views. FARK those people. Seriously fark them. So farking what if it's their hobby. I like to walk. Do I walk in the middle of the farking road? No.

I think, in general, it's a good idea to make it so that you can use a bicycle in a city instead of a car, and have good bike lanes, etc. But making it difficult to use a car? fark you.


* Critical Mass are douches.  SF is too damn dense for cars, and the long-term solution is to move MUNI underground or elevated so it's a separate right-of-way, and encourage bike use for intra-neighborhood use, but Critical Mass are douches.
* Sorry about the 10-15 MPH.  It's the max speed of the bike.
* Sorry about the tree-lined road bit.  In general, we're going to NOT go on roads that are good for cars because cars going at 35 MPH tend to kill us (And I know that you're exaggerating because there are no 45 MPH roads in the Bay Area.  At least not in the Peninsula).  And the hills thing is good exercise (at least if you have better legs than I do.  Heh.).
* Can't speak for the passing situation.  If there's not much in the way of a shoulder, I could see not letting people pass until there WAS a passing area, which might be a bit.
* To be totally fair, some of the crazy spandex people ARE commuting to work.
* The best solution, if you're continuously running into bikes on those roads, is to bring up at the next city meeting.  "Hey, I've noticed a lot of bikes on roads X, Y, and Z, I know that they're legally banned from the sidewalk, and I've seen a couple of near collisions.  What's the plan for bike lanes?" (And to give CA credit, they usually do have plans, they just never implement them because of the environmental impact statements and assorted BS).
 
2013-10-20 05:30:43 AM
DIE BART DIE
 
2013-10-20 05:32:36 AM

HighOnCraic: TheJoe03: The BART union is so full of shiat, such a dumb strike. Glad we don't have BART in the South Bay yet.

/their average salary is 70k and they think they should get more? highest paid transit workers, what a joke.

Don't have a cow, man!


DOH!
 
2013-10-20 05:57:15 AM
i860.photobucket.com
 
2013-10-20 07:14:23 AM

SpdrJay: Cowabunga, dude!


So am I to understand that you advise me not to give birth to a bovine of female persuasion?
 
2013-10-20 07:26:58 AM

HotWingAgenda: Oversier, BART's head of operations,

I love it when people have the same name as their job.


When I was in elementary school, the school nurse's last name was Comfort, the singing teacher's last name was Carol, and the vice-principal who did all the scheduling was Sessions
 
2013-10-20 07:49:10 AM

LordJiro: Yeah, the workers employees should only protest if it doesn't inconvenience people who aren't involved.


FTFY for reasons of accuracy

Government employees should not have the right to strike or otherwise try to extort money from the tax payers.

"All Government employees should realize that the process of collective bargaining, as usually understood, cannot be transplanted into the public service. It has its distinct and insurmountable limitations when applied to public personnel management. The very nature and purposes of Government make it impossible for administrative officials to represent fully or to bind the employer in mutual discussions with Government employee organizations. The employer is the whole people, who speak by means of laws enacted by their representatives in Congress. Accordingly, administrative officials and employees alike are governed and guided, and in many instances restricted, by laws which establish policies, procedures, or rules in personnel matters.

Particularly, I want to emphasize my conviction that militant tactics have no place in the functions of any organization of Government employees. Upon employees in the Federal service rests the obligation to serve the whole people, whose interests and welfare require orderliness and continuity in the conduct of Government activities. This obligation is paramount. Since their own services have to do with the functioning of the Government, a strike of public employees manifests nothing less than an intent on their part to prevent or obstruct the operations of Government until their demands are satisfied. Such action, looking toward the paralysis of Government by those who have sworn to support it, is unthinkable and intolerable. It is, therefore, with a feeling of gratification that I have noted in the constitution of the National Federation of Federal Employees the provision that "under no circumstances shall this Federation engage in or support strikes against the United States Government" FDR August 16, 1937, Letter on the Resolution of Federation of Federal Employees Against Strikes in Federal Service
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2013-10-20 07:58:14 AM

foxyshadis: I'd say unions are a useful counterbalance to the increasingly slash-and-burn, rape-and-pillage attitude of modern corporations,.

This not a workers vs. corporation issue but government employees vs. tax payers issue.
 
2013-10-20 08:33:06 AM
Oversier, BART's head of operations,

I love it when people have the same name as their job.

Bart Oversier?  Damnit, no.
 
2013-10-20 08:41:42 AM
I guess they wont be getting the 1% pay raise.
 
2013-10-20 09:36:16 AM

meyerkev: TheJoe03: The BART union is so full of shiat, such a dumb strike. Glad we don't have BART in the South Bay yet.

/their average salary is 70k and they think they should get more? highest paid transit workers, what a joke.

Let's be fair.  $70K gets you to kind of middle class if you're smart with your money around here.  I'm at $70K and I'm flat broke, tens of thousands in debt, and I have a roommate.


Move, dumbass.
 
2013-10-20 10:18:53 AM

Mrtraveler01: HotWingAgenda: Oversier, BART's head of operations,

I love it when people have the same name as their job.

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Ugh...I hate...HATE...the laugh tracks they added in syndication.  It's like they didn't trust future audiences to catch the throwaway gags and lines that didn't get big laughs in the studio.
 
2013-10-20 10:22:56 AM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: LordJiro: Adolf Oliver Nipples: That's too bad. It really is. Accidents happen, even to the most experienced people.

That said, there's something funny about people living in union towns being farked over by unions and having the temerity to complain about it. I hope the strike goes on for months, it's providing endless entertainment.

Yeah, the workers should only protest if it doesn't inconvenience people who aren't involved.

/Yes, that was sarcasm.

I think his point was that it's funny how pro-union San Franciscans are... until the unions go on strike. Then they complain about it.


Yes, that was the point. It's like people who want taxes raised but when they are they either look for ways out of paying them or go apoplectic on tax day. And no, it's not a strawman, that describes my mother-in-law to a T.
 
2013-10-20 10:55:18 AM
The demands of the BART union are a prime example of corruption in unions. The union is demanding a 'past practices' clause in their contract, which basically says "If BART does something once, the union can force them to do it forever." Example: If there is a holiday event and BART adds more trains to handle the demand, the union can force them to run those extra trains every year forever, regardless of if the event is running or not. The union is objecting to the kiosk attendants using email to send in reports instead of writing them down and faxing them in.

Fire all of them.
 
2013-10-20 10:57:43 AM

meyerkev: TheJoe03: The BART union is so full of shiat, such a dumb strike. Glad we don't have BART in the South Bay yet.

/their average salary is 70k and they think they should get more? highest paid transit workers, what a joke.

Let's be fair.  $70K gets you to kind of middle class if you're smart with your money around here.  I'm at $70K and I'm flat broke, tens of thousands in debt, and I have a roommate.


If only there were places in the Bay Area that cost less to live in than San Francisco, and there was a transit system to get you from those places to work.
Oh by the way, I live approximately 10 minutes away from where they keep all the train cars overnight. $1600/month gets you a two bedroom in a very nice full amenities gated community.
 
2013-10-20 11:18:19 AM

duffblue: meyerkev: TheJoe03: The BART union is so full of shiat, such a dumb strike. Glad we don't have BART in the South Bay yet.

/their average salary is 70k and they think they should get more? highest paid transit workers, what a joke.

Let's be fair.  $70K gets you to kind of middle class if you're smart with your money around here.  I'm at $70K and I'm flat broke, tens of thousands in debt, and I have a roommate.

Move, dumbass.

 
2013-10-20 11:28:12 AM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: LordJiro: Adolf Oliver Nipples: That's too bad. It really is. Accidents happen, even to the most experienced people.

That said, there's something funny about people living in union towns being farked over by unions and having the temerity to complain about it. I hope the strike goes on for months, it's providing endless entertainment.

Yeah, the workers should only protest if it doesn't inconvenience people who aren't involved.

/Yes, that was sarcasm.

I think his point was that it's funny how pro-union San Franciscans are... until the unions go on strike. Then they complain about it.


I wouldn't say that San Franciscans are particularly pro-union - especially among the (rapidly growing) younger demographic. The issue is that they're reliably Democrat-voting, and the Democrat politicians are completely bought and paid-for by the unions. So, unfortunately, it comes down to a choice between "accept union influence" and "elect Republicans," and one of those two things isn't very farking likely.
 
2013-10-20 11:30:20 AM
Hey, don't have a cow man...
 
2013-10-20 11:35:20 AM
Thomas is going to kill again...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ABOTrP5NEo
 
2013-10-20 12:41:52 PM
The shouldn't have spent so much money for that hotel room on prom night. . .
 
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