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2013-10-19 08:29:02 PM
Wow, Captain Obvious has a shiatty blog!
 
2013-10-19 08:42:19 PM
So many questions.

Why does he need to spend $900 on a new iPhone if he's happy with his current one?

But he says he's interested in what Apple's competitors are doing. You can buy a really good Android for a lot less than $900 and that will be different than the one you had before! Did you ever consider that?
 
2013-10-19 08:47:06 PM
I just got the 5s this week. I've never had a smartphone before this, so obviously I'm enamored, etc. etc.

That said, there's no way in hell I'd pay anywhere close to $900 for one. Somebody should let this guy know that in many cases, you can  look at a phone in the store before you buy one, and then decide whether its new features are worth it--saving you time, money, and shiatty blog posts.
 
2013-10-19 08:52:35 PM
Spending $900 to upgrade an iPhone 5 to an iPhone 5s is like buying a high-end new PC with Windows 8 because your current one still runs 7. It makes no sense at all, and to whine about it? Dude.
 
2013-10-19 08:55:45 PM
If only there were things like published specifications and reviews that could help you decide if you want to spend $900.
 
2013-10-19 08:59:22 PM

vossiewulf: If only there were things like published specifications and reviews that could help you decide if you want to spend $900.


Yeah, but you couldn't write a shiatty blog about it.
 
2013-10-19 09:07:55 PM

ecmoRandomNumbers: Yeah, but you couldn't write a shiatty blog about it.


Should change his name to Blind Lemon Trevor and write songs about how the Apple got him down.
 
2013-10-20 12:02:55 AM

vossiewulf: ecmoRandomNumbers: Yeah, but you couldn't write a shiatty blog about it.

Should change his name to Blind Lemon Trevor and write songs about how the Apple got him down.


Is that an Arrogant Worms reference?
 
2013-10-20 12:23:24 AM
I'm curious to know why he was willing to pay the full price "because I didn't want to extend my contract."

Did he consider this a money-saving plan?
 
2013-10-20 01:09:05 AM

Confabulat: I'm curious to know why he was willing to pay the full price "because I didn't want to extend my contract."

Did he consider this a money-saving plan?


Presumably because he didn't want to be stuck with AT&T for another two years.

Verizon used to have a fairly good deal where you could upgrade after one year for free, but they shiatcanned it.  If you're on the fence about your provider, avoiding a lengthy contract makes sense.
 
2013-10-20 01:18:45 AM

Lsherm: If you're on the fence about your provider, avoiding a lengthy contract makes sense.


I'd agree with this. However, I'd also think that if I was on the fence about my provider, I would figure all that out before dropping nearly $1K on a phone that's almost exactly like the one I already owned. I'm not really sure, but what are your options with an iPhone? The big ones I'd assume, Verizon, AT&T and Sprint. I might be wrong but I was unaware that iPhones were supported by the guys whose cards you can buy at convenience stores in heavily Hispanic areas around here. It just seems like you could figure that out first. If you are willing to spend $1K on a phone, what's the big deal about paying the penalty to get out of your contract anyway? Guarantee it'll be cheaper than that.

But what do I know, I don't have a tech blog.
 
2013-10-20 02:39:06 AM

Confabulat: Lsherm: If you're on the fence about your provider, avoiding a lengthy contract makes sense.

I'd agree with this. However, I'd also think that if I was on the fence about my provider, I would figure all that out before dropping nearly $1K on a phone that's almost exactly like the one I already owned. I'm not really sure, but what are your options with an iPhone? The big ones I'd assume, Verizon, AT&T and Sprint. I might be wrong but I was unaware that iPhones were supported by the guys whose cards you can buy at convenience stores in heavily Hispanic areas around here. It just seems like you could figure that out first. If you are willing to spend $1K on a phone, what's the big deal about paying the penalty to get out of your contract anyway? Guarantee it'll be cheaper than that.

But what do I know, I don't have a tech blog.


True Apple people LIVE for upgrading their phones every year.  I work with a man who has a work-provided iPhone but still shells out for his own because he wants the newest one every year.  He's not an independent iOS developer.  He has no earthly reason to get a new phone every year except that he likes to do so.  He paid extra to upgrade one year so he could jump to Verizon in January or whenever Verizon finally got the iPhone after the AT&T exclusivity contract was up.

At least for this guy, if he had kept the phone, the resale value for an unlocked iPhone is extremely high.  He wouldn't have lost much money if he'd been willing to part with it and just sign a contract with another provider with a subsidized phone.
 
2013-10-20 02:55:32 AM

Lsherm: True Apple people LIVE for upgrading their phones every year.


WEll, how else to you replace the battery???
 
2013-10-20 03:03:06 AM
So what the author is saying is a fool and her money are soon parted.
 
2013-10-20 03:16:24 AM

Lsherm: True Apple people LIVE for upgrading their phones every year.


But what do they think will happen? It will start making breakfast for them? What exactly are the Apple cultists expecting?

Me personally, I'd never feel comfortable owning a smartphone I couldn't remove the SD card from.
 
2013-10-20 03:27:51 AM

Confabulat: I'm curious to know why he was willing to pay the full price "because I didn't want to extend my contract."

Did he consider this a money-saving plan?


I purchase my phones outright, but because I want to keep my unlimited LTE data with Verizon. It works out to be cheaper for me in the long run.

Standard Verizon plan:
$40 for monthly smartphone usage (base charge)
+ $100 for 10GB of monthly data (based upon my current average usage)
$140/month, not including fees and taxes
x24 (two-year contract)
$3360/year
+$200/2 years (average price of mid-grade smartphone at subsidized pricing)

$3,560 every two years, including a new phone every two years. Of course, the monthly fees and taxes will likely add a couple hundred more dollars, but we'll keep it simple.

Now, compare that to what I spend now:
$85/month for unlimited data
x24 months
$2040/year
+ $600 (price of new smartphone every two years, should I decide to upgrade)

$2,640 every two years. Of course that is if I decide to upgrade my phone, and pay full price for it. I currently have a Bionic, and for what it offers, I see no need to upgrade it anytime soon (unless Verizon actually gets a Samsung Active). If I don't upgrade every two years, which I haven't this last year, I spend only $2,040 every could years.

For Verizon's coverage and LTE speeds, it is well worth it to keep my grandfathered data plan. With the money I save, I can damn near buy a brand new phone every year outright and still save money in the long run.
 
2013-10-20 03:28:59 AM

RoxtarRyan: I spend only $2,040 every two years.


FTFM. Alcohol doesn't make for perfect sentence making abilities.
 
2013-10-20 03:29:37 AM
img.fark.net
 
2013-10-20 03:30:08 AM

ecmoRandomNumbers: vossiewulf: If only there were things like published specifications and reviews that could help you decide if you want to spend $900.

Yeah, but you couldn't write a shiatty blog about it.


Pretty sure he could.  Boring blog posts about things that are obvious to everyone already are clearly his forte.
 
2013-10-20 03:31:16 AM
I'm starting to think The Onion has a hacker division that puts their articles on other websites.
 
2013-10-20 03:39:38 AM

Confabulat: Lsherm: True Apple people LIVE for upgrading their phones every year.

But what do they think will happen? It will start making breakfast for them? What exactly are the Apple cultists expecting?

Me personally, I'd never feel comfortable owning a smartphone I couldn't remove the SD card from.


For the incremental upgrades, they should expect nothing.  I don't understand those people.

I got my first iPhone (a 5) after having the same Blackberry for three years.  The iPhone is an improvement in everything except typing and battery life, but it's an upgrade.  I agree with the author that moving from a 5 to a 5S is like putting a cold air intake on your year old car.  It gives you 5 more horsepower that you aren't going to notice.
 
2013-10-20 03:48:13 AM
My HTC ONE V cost $150. I pay $35/mo for unlimited txt/data and 300 mins.

What are these people getting for the huge amount of cash they are paying that I am not?
 
2013-10-20 03:49:46 AM
wahhh it's different
wahhh it's the same
you people. /eyeroll
 
2013-10-20 03:59:52 AM

Confabulat: Spending $900 to upgrade an iPhone 5 to an iPhone 5s is like buying a high-end new PC with Windows 8 because your current one still runs 7. It makes no sense at all, and to whine about it? Dude.


Not even 7, updating a computer running 8 to a new computer running 8.1.
 
2013-10-20 04:03:33 AM

SpdrJay: My HTC ONE V cost $150. I pay $35/mo for unlimited txt/data and 300 mins.

What are these people getting for the huge amount of cash they are paying that I am not?


Sex with hot babes and a deodorizing effect on their farts that make them smell like English tea roses and cloves.
 
2013-10-20 04:21:55 AM

Lsherm: I work with a man who has a work-provided iPhone but still shells out for his own because he wants the newest one every year. He's not an independent iOS developer. He has no earthly reason to get a new phone every year except that he likes to do so. He paid extra to upgrade one year so he could jump to Verizon in January or whenever Verizon finally got the iPhone after the AT&T exclusivity contract was up.


He'd hate me.  I still have a Samsung GS1.  I'll keep it as long as I can get Cyanogenmod updates on it, I can get replacement batteries or until I find an app that I really want that cannot run on my archaic hardware.  And even with the Cyanogenmod thing, I'd still probably take my time since them halting development doesn't suddenly mean my phone would stop working.

If I were in sales and used my phone in front of customers, I probably wouldn't keep a phone for so long due to appearances.  Corporate phones don't get that old for a number of reasons.  But for Joe Schmoe?  Upgrading your smartphone every year is like buying a new car every year.  You're just burning money for all the same reasons.
 
2013-10-20 04:27:27 AM
The reason why I have not had a smart phone since 2008.  They break too fast.  Those little flimsy devices wouldn't last 6 months with me.   How many people do you know who broke a screen?  I know a few.
For that price I want a titanium case a sapphire crystal screen.
 
2013-10-20 04:49:10 AM

rev. dave: The reason why I have not had a smart phone since 2008.  They break too fast.  Those little flimsy devices wouldn't last 6 months with me.   How many people do you know who broke a screen?  I know a few.
For that price I want a titanium case a sapphire crystal screen.


Titanium case would be nice, I think.  I had one back in the day for Palm III, and, though hopelessly bulky by today's standards, I never worried much about the plastic device within.

Sapphire screen seems like a good idea, but I'm not sure how well the concept scales up from watch size to phone size.  I think one of the niche phones out recently featured one.  Even if it proves a good material, the replacement difficulty and cost when the inevitable happens would turn me off.
 
2013-10-20 04:52:41 AM
Man, cell phone plans suck in America.
 
2013-10-20 04:57:21 AM

swahnhennessy: Man, cell phone plans suck in America.


No, just Verizon. I've been on my unlimited Sprint plan for like a decade now. I don't even think they let you sign up for that stuff anymore.
 
2013-10-20 05:19:12 AM

RoxtarRyan: Confabulat: I'm curious to know why he was willing to pay the full price "because I didn't want to extend my contract."

Did he consider this a money-saving plan?

I purchase my phones outright, but because I want to keep my unlimited LTE data with Verizon. It works out to be cheaper for me in the long run.

Standard Verizon plan:
$40 for monthly smartphone usage (base charge)
+ $100 for 10GB of monthly data (based upon my current average usage)
$140/month, not including fees and taxes
x24 (two-year contract)
$3360/year
+$200/2 years (average price of mid-grade smartphone at subsidized pricing)

$3,560 every two years, including a new phone every two years. Of course, the monthly fees and taxes will likely add a couple hundred more dollars, but we'll keep it simple.

Now, compare that to what I spend now:
$85/month for unlimited data
x24 months
$2040/year
+ $600 (price of new smartphone every two years, should I decide to upgrade)

$2,640 every two years. Of course that is if I decide to upgrade my phone, and pay full price for it. I currently have a Bionic, and for what it offers, I see no need to upgrade it anytime soon (unless Verizon actually gets a Samsung Active). If I don't upgrade every two years, which I haven't this last year, I spend only $2,040 every could years.

For Verizon's coverage and LTE speeds, it is well worth it to keep my grandfathered data plan. With the money I save, I can damn near buy a brand new phone every year outright and still save money in the long run.


This.

I just bought a Galaxy S4 outright to keep my unlimited data plan. I still end up saving more money that way.
 
2013-10-20 05:21:19 AM
I like the way iOS7 looks like last version of Nokia Symbian. Wonder if they hired some ex-Nokia designers.
 
2013-10-20 05:23:26 AM

Dinjiin: He'd hate me.  I still have a Samsung GS1.  I'll keep it as long as I can get Cyanogenmod updates on it, I can get replacement batteries or until I find an app that I really want that cannot run on my archaic hardware.  And even with the Cyanogenmod thing, I'd still probably take my time since them halting development doesn't suddenly mean my phone would stop working.


Does cyanogenmod improve speed? I've got a Nexus S and each upgrade seems to make it a bit slower - I suspect because Google are adding extra background services. It's getting to the point where I'm thinking of changing it, but only for software reasons.

Also, how do you keep all the apps (especially Google apps) and can you use things like the Play store with it?
 
2013-10-20 05:55:17 AM

Old Smokie: rev. dave: The reason why I have not had a smart phone since 2008.  They break too fast.  Those little flimsy devices wouldn't last 6 months with me.   How many people do you know who broke a screen?  I know a few.
For that price I want a titanium case a sapphire crystal screen.

Titanium case would be nice, I think.  I had one back in the day for Palm III, and, though hopelessly bulky by today's standards, I never worried much about the plastic device within.

Sapphire screen seems like a good idea, but I'm not sure how well the concept scales up from watch size to phone size.  I think one of the niche phones out recently featured one.  Even if it proves a good material, the replacement difficulty and cost when the inevitable happens would turn me off.


The titanium would be more to support the sapphire crystal than anything else, some alloys can withstand 60k psi and it is light weight.  Though it scratches easy like platinum.  You could anodize it to provide colors.
 
2013-10-20 06:03:51 AM

RoxtarRyan: Confabulat: I'm curious to know why he was willing to pay the full price "because I didn't want to extend my contract."

Did he consider this a money-saving plan?

I purchase my phones outright, but because I want to keep my unlimited LTE data with Verizon. It works out to be cheaper for me in the long run.

Standard Verizon plan:
$40 for monthly smartphone usage (base charge)
+ $100 for 10GB of monthly data (based upon my current average usage)
$140/month, not including fees and taxes
x24 (two-year contract)
$3360/year
+$200/2 years (average price of mid-grade smartphone at subsidized pricing)

$3,560 every two years, including a new phone every two years. Of course, the monthly fees and taxes will likely add a couple hundred more dollars, but we'll keep it simple.

Now, compare that to what I spend now:
$85/month for unlimited data
x24 months
$2040/year
+ $600 (price of new smartphone every two years, should I decide to upgrade)

$2,640 every two years. Of course that is if I decide to upgrade my phone, and pay full price for it. I currently have a Bionic, and for what it offers, I see no need to upgrade it anytime soon (unless Verizon actually gets a Samsung Active). If I don't upgrade every two years, which I haven't this last year, I spend only $2,040 every could years.

For Verizon's coverage and LTE speeds, it is well worth it to keep my grandfathered data plan. With the money I save, I can damn near buy a brand new phone every year outright and still save money in the long run.


"Free" Mobile:

Unlimited calling in France to France, the US, Canada
Unlimited calling to land lines in 41 countries
Unlimited SMS in France to France, the US, Canada
Unlimited access to "Free" hotspots (everyone with Free wifi in their home or business is a hotspot - i.e. millions)
5GB/month 4G data plan

16EUR/month = 22USD, including all taxes and fees.

Next year roaming charges in the EU will be eliminated.

"Free Wifi"

Unlimited home wifi with 250GB server

29EUR/month = 40USD, including all...

"Free TV"

Basic 100ish channel package

0EUR - included with wifi package

"Free" home phone

Unlimited calling to mobiles in France, Canada, US
Unlimited calling to landlines in 41 countries

0EUR - included with wifi package

Additional 'kids' phone line:

180min calling per month in France, Canada, US
Unlimited SMS in France, Canada, US
Unlimited access to 'Free' hotspots

2EUR/month = 2.75USD inclusive
 
2013-10-20 06:11:40 AM
the call quality on the iPhone 5 is slightly better than on the 5s. It has a warmer sound that I prefer over the 5s.


The secret? Vacuum tubes. They don't make em like they used to.
 
2013-10-20 06:38:51 AM
Christ, what a douchebag.
 
2013-10-20 08:00:48 AM
That "sameness" of everything up through the iPhone 4 is one of the things that keeps Apple popular - I've been in many hotel rooms that have a docking radio that will accept the "old" iPod/iPhone connector. I get that - it's easier to build for that, and I don't really want to plug my android into the thing anyway (a micro USB power cord would be nice, but I am not choosing a hotel brand over that).

I've used 3 of the 4 smartphone systems out there - Blackberry (work), Android (me), and iOS (work) - each one has its good points (I would REALLY like Blackberry style profiles on iOS and Android - and yes, I have tried many of the Apps). Each also has its aggravations (mostly the various fanbois).

 I was worried about going from a real keyboard to a on-screen one, but it's not so bad.

My biggest gripe with Apple is the size of the keyboard on screen, my fingers are too big.

But I am more aggravated by Windows 8 (it came with the computer) than any of the smartphone OS.
 
2013-10-20 08:02:13 AM

lelio: the call quality on the iPhone 5 is slightly better than on the 5s. It has a warmer sound that I prefer over the 5s.


The secret? Vacuum tubes. They don't make em like they used to.


Magnets.  Magnets, biatch!
 
2013-10-20 08:10:07 AM
I have a history of using my phone until they either can't do the job or break. Thanks to Apple I was mocked for having a phone that had a slide out keyboard and a stylus for a year. My HTC Diamond 2 was a badass phone in the era before iPhones.
 
2013-10-20 08:18:43 AM
Nexus 5. $349 for the phone and unlimited data with T-mobile for $30 a month.

Spending $900 for a phone and $70 a month for people to annoy you is insane.
 
2013-10-20 08:42:33 AM
How 'bout we shape the next one like a dildo and shove it up your ass?
 
2013-10-20 08:49:51 AM

Dinjiin: I still have a Samsung GS1.  I'll keep it as long as I can get Cyanogenmod updates on it, I can get replacement batteries or until I find an app that I really want that cannot run on my archaic hardware.


Same here, except mine is an HTC Hero.
 
2013-10-20 08:58:04 AM

jso2897: How 'bout we shape the next one like a dildo and shove it up your ass?


That brings a whole new meaning to "Butt Dialing"!
 
2013-10-20 09:00:10 AM
It's finally sinking in that apple doesn't change their products virtually at all, they just sell you another one next year. My Samsung mp3 player from 2005 does more than any ipod on the market today. They're not cutting edge they're pseudo hippies gouging everyone, riding the coat tails of past fame.
 
2013-10-20 09:03:15 AM
humor.beecy.net
/author must be high to be so dumb
 
2013-10-20 09:26:32 AM

Confabulat: I'm curious to know why he was willing to pay the full price "because I didn't want to extend my contract."

Did he consider this a money-saving plan?


Depending on where you live it might just be the case. I know that shopping around for a decent offer on a service only plan combined with a decent offer on a separate phone can save me a lot of money.

Galaxy S4, 16gb, 1 year service only plan:

Service: €13 a month for 150 minutes/1gb
Telephone: Full price Galaxy S4, 16gb: €450
This is a total of €611 including shipping.

2 year service only plan with separate S4: €762


The same 1 year plan with a S4 "included":
Service: €35 a month.
Telephone: €302 for the telephone.
This is a total of €759.45 including administrative fees, which for some reason don't apply to the service only plan, and shipping costs.

For a two year plan:
A total cost of €812.20 for a contract with 500MB more data and 50 fewer minutes (cheapest combination)
The same contract would be €890,45 or I could pay €948.95 over 2 years if I wanted the phone for "free" (300 minutes, 1500MB data, €894 with the service only and separate S4). And they even claim that the 2 year prices included a 20% discount

Depending on how many minutes I need, things could be a lot cheaper or a little cheaper if I paid full price for a telephone.

/Based on the amount of minutes/data I need
//The cheapest inclusive plan would be €10 cheaper than the same service only plan
///But I don't want to risk going beyond of my plan at €0.30 a minute
 
2013-10-20 09:28:10 AM
Lsherm:
He has no earthly reason to get a new phone every year

External validation.  "I may have trouble finding my micropenis under my cheeto-stained panniculus, but I am SUPER CONNECTED and the Apple logo makes me cool.  Kneel before Zod."
 
2013-10-20 09:34:59 AM

Confabulat: Spending $900 to upgrade an iPhone 5 to an iPhone 5s is like buying a high-end new PC with Windows 8 because your current one still runs 7. It makes no sense at all, and to whine about it? Dude.


A decent analogy has never been made on the internet.  You are no exception.
 
2013-10-20 09:36:05 AM
Be smart.

go Android.  the Future.  get out of Apple's walled garden.


and save yourself some money.
 
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