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(Huffington Post)   Britney Spears doesn't really sing at her concerts. Well, technically, she does and here's what it sounds like   (huffingtonpost.com) divider line 139
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2013-10-19 08:35:08 PM
I had to click on the Freddie Mercury/David Bowie link and listen to them singing Under Pressure with no backing just to get that out of my brain.

I don't know if that was really Britney or not, but it was f*cking awful.
 
2013-10-19 08:38:37 PM
Probably what everyone in music these days sounds like.  Does anyone sing live without reverb, AutoTune, multiplexing, etc?
 
2013-10-19 08:41:34 PM

dahmers love zombie: Probably what everyone in music these days sounds like.  Does anyone sing live without reverb, AutoTune, multiplexing, etc?


I'm not even sure you CAN if you're bouncing around the stage like that.  Bowie and Mercury were sitting still in a studio.  How can you sound good if someone is flipping you upside down on stage?
 
2013-10-19 08:42:12 PM
Well, it was hard but I did it guys. I reached completion even with the sound on.
 
2013-10-19 08:52:36 PM

dahmers love zombie: Probably what everyone in music these days sounds like.  Does anyone sing live without reverb, AutoTune, multiplexing, etc?


Yes, actual musicians.
 
2013-10-19 08:56:43 PM
As was already said, these pop stars are all auto-tuned to shiat in the studio, they can't be expected to sound like real singers live.
 
2013-10-19 08:59:00 PM
Why would she sing well when she knows no one can hear her? She is only singing to keep time and make the lip syncing look good.
 
2013-10-19 09:03:20 PM

Mugato: As was already said, these pop stars are all auto-tuned to shiat in the studio, they can't be expected to sound like not real singers live.

 
2013-10-19 09:06:56 PM
I was at a John Denver concert back in the 70's, there was a huge storm and a power outage occurred at the coliseum. There were no lights and no amplifiers or speakers.

Somebody got Denver a flashlight and his acoustic. The crowd hushed and he played and sang. As the crowd was quiet as a mouse, even those in the nosebleed seats could hear perfectly. It was an event I have never forgotten. And hearing BS sing, I can only hope we are being trolled and this is not her true singing voice.
 
2013-10-19 09:07:06 PM
In defense of Brittney, it's not all that easy when your stage show amounts to an aerobic workout, which accounts for the breathlessness.

As for the rest- it's also hard to say without knowing technical specifics- she might be getting the music feed in her in-ear audio, but may not in fact be able to even hear herself singing.  It's not like the results are part of the show.
 
2013-10-19 09:07:38 PM

vossiewulf: Mugato: As was already said, these pop stars are all auto-tuned to shiat in the studio, they can't be expected to sound like not real singers live people.

 
2013-10-19 09:12:08 PM

Bathia_Mapes: I had to click on the Freddie Mercury/David Bowie link and listen to them singing Under Pressure with no backing just to get that out of my brain.

I don't know if that was really Britney or not, but it was f*cking awful.


Worth noting that that was the audio track from them recording the song, not from a live show.  It's not a fair comparison.
 
2013-10-19 09:16:49 PM
I almost made it all the way through, it was good for a couple of "Britney shreds" laffs
 
433 [TotalFark]
2013-10-19 09:17:45 PM

dahmers love zombie: Probably what everyone in music these days sounds like.  Does anyone sing live without reverb, AutoTune, multiplexing, etc?


Using Autotune live is difficult.  Slurring notes isn't accomplished well with it - it wants to jump up or down to the preset tonal increment whenever the threshold is passed.  Even the finest adjustments would be heard by a good ear, although that isn't to say that it isn't done.  Hearing it over the din of the rest of the show would help mask it.  However, hearing the corrected pitch in an in-ear monitor in contrast to the actual vocal is extremely disorienting - and for that reason, I would assume that a lip-synch is preferred.

In a studio, Autotune is a different animal.  The vocal track can be analyzed as notes over time, and it can be manipulated along that line to become smoother, and correctly pitched.  Or, automatic control can be employed in the fashion that I mentioned in the paragraph above.  Setting it to hard settings along either a musical or chromatic scale results in the jarring sounds heard on T-Pain records (often chromatic or selective), or the Cher sound on "Believe" (musical scale such as Eb minor).  Going through the track manually allows to perfect the vocal track, running it automatically bumps pitches that are slightly off back on track.

I don't fault these song-and-dance performers for using lip-synching.  There have most certainly been outstanding vocalists and their performances are on record, such as Freddy Mercury on Queen's Live at Wembley.  Not every singer is Freddie, naturally, and as attractive as the charade of a performance that Britney Spears sells is, I think that a comparison of the sort of entertainment provided is necessary.  Boy bands and their dance routines would really be something else if they could harmonize while dancing their derring-do, but really, that's not what is asked of them.  They are asked to be entertainers over performers.  Elements of both are present, but stunning vocalists like that are extremely rare, and rarely found in packs of five.  For Britney's case, a pop star is all the public wants/wanted, and that kind of package deal comes with its caveats.

So the question is - are you not entertained?
If not, find it elsewhere, and have a good time!
 
2013-10-19 09:23:03 PM

ecmoRandomNumbers: vossiewulf: Mugato: As was already said, these pop stars are all auto-tuned to shiat in the studio, they can't be expected to sound like not real singers live lizard people.

 
433 [TotalFark]
2013-10-19 09:26:21 PM

dahmers love zombie: reverb


Reverb is a good thing.  You may not know you're hearing it.  A dry vocal track sounds less realistic than a track with enough reverb to have the vocalist/singer sound as though the vocal was recorded in a room.  A vocal that sounds like it was recorded in an anechoic chamber or a bedroom with pillows on all the walls and ceiling can work against the recording.  There are times and places for that, but it won't be on most musical recordings.  Voice-overs are often dry like that.
 
433 [TotalFark]
2013-10-19 09:30:35 PM

vossiewulf: ecmoRandomNumbers: vossiewulf: Mugato: As was already said, these pop stars are all auto-tuned to shiat in the studio, they can't be expected to sound like not real singers live lizard people.

crab people
 
2013-10-19 09:36:24 PM

SauronWasFramed: I was at a John Denver concert back in the 70's, there was a huge storm and a power outage occurred at the coliseum. There were no lights and no amplifiers or speakers.

Somebody got Denver a flashlight and his acoustic. The crowd hushed and he played and sang. As the crowd was quiet as a mouse, even those in the nosebleed seats could hear perfectly. It was an event I have never forgotten. And hearing BS sing, I can only hope we are being trolled and this is not her true singing voice.


John Denver was one hell of a musician, I went to one of his concerts and was just blown away.  He was one of those performers who you could tell considered himself very lucky to make a living making music.  He seemed truly thankful for every audience he had and just flat out performed for every one of them.
 
2013-10-19 09:40:52 PM

BATMANATEE: Why would she sing well when she knows no one can hear her? She is only singing to keep time and make the lip syncing look good.


Dumb question but why can't she just mouth the words instead of actually singing?
 
2013-10-19 09:51:36 PM

coco ebert: BATMANATEE: Why would she sing well when she knows no one can hear her? She is only singing to keep time and make the lip syncing look good.

Dumb question but why can't she just mouth the words instead of actually singing?


Because it looks better. It's easier to sing quietly to herself then to try to look like she's singing when she isn't. I guess.
 
2013-10-19 10:13:01 PM

Lsherm: dahmers love zombie: Probably what everyone in music these days sounds like.  Does anyone sing live without reverb, AutoTune, multiplexing, etc?

I'm not even sure you CAN if you're bouncing around the stage like that.  Bowie and Mercury were sitting still in a studio.  How can you sound good if someone is flipping you upside down on stage?


Broadway.
 
2013-10-19 10:14:49 PM

433: dahmers love zombie: Probably what everyone in music these days sounds like.  Does anyone sing live without reverb, AutoTune, multiplexing, etc?

Using Autotune live is difficult.  Slurring notes isn't accomplished well with it - it wants to jump up or down to the preset tonal increment whenever the threshold is passed.  Even the finest adjustments would be heard by a good ear, although that isn't to say that it isn't done.  Hearing it over the din of the rest of the show would help mask it.  However, hearing the corrected pitch in an in-ear monitor in contrast to the actual vocal is extremely disorienting - and for that reason, I would assume that a lip-synch is preferred.

In a studio, Autotune is a different animal.  The vocal track can be analyzed as notes over time, and it can be manipulated along that line to become smoother, and correctly pitched.  Or, automatic control can be employed in the fashion that I mentioned in the paragraph above.  Setting it to hard settings along either a musical or chromatic scale results in the jarring sounds heard on T-Pain records (often chromatic or selective), or the Cher sound on "Believe" (musical scale such as Eb minor).  Going through the track manually allows to perfect the vocal track, running it automatically bumps pitches that are slightly off back on track.

I don't fault these song-and-dance performers for using lip-synching.  There have most certainly been outstanding vocalists and their performances are on record, such as Freddy Mercury on Queen's Live at Wembley.  Not every singer is Freddie, naturally, and as attractive as the charade of a performance that Britney Spears sells is, I think that a comparison of the sort of entertainment provided is necessary.  Boy bands and their dance routines would really be something else if they could harmonize while dancing their derring-do, but really, that's not what is asked of them.  They are asked to be entertainers over performers.  Elements of both are present, but st ...


I have a buddy who is a producer in Hollywood. He loves autotune because you can still capture the "good" takes in terms of emotion, phrasing, etc and not have to spend hours in the studio waiting for the kid to get it right. Unfortunately, that's had a fairly negative effect on the skill of pop musicians because, hey, who need to work on their craft, right?
 
2013-10-19 10:15:28 PM

2wolves: Lsherm: dahmers love zombie: Probably what everyone in music these days sounds like.  Does anyone sing live without reverb, AutoTune, multiplexing, etc?

I'm not even sure you CAN if you're bouncing around the stage like that.  Bowie and Mercury were sitting still in a studio.  How can you sound good if someone is flipping you upside down on stage?

Broadway.


This.
 
2013-10-19 10:15:31 PM

cameroncrazy1984: dahmers love zombie: Probably what everyone in music these days sounds like.  Does anyone sing live without reverb, AutoTune, multiplexing, etc?

Yes, actual musicians.


This.

There is a really strong anti-Auto Tune movement in L.A. Professionals hate it, and if you need to be tuned, you're costing money in sound engineering time. And once you learn to hear it (as well as equal temperament) it's damn near impossible to listen to the radio anymore.

/fiance is a pro sax player. He rants all the time about auto-tuning.
//there are times I miss being able to listen to my favs without cringing
 
2013-10-19 10:17:59 PM
It's not quite as bad as Eduard Khil without Autotune, but it's close.
 
2013-10-19 10:29:20 PM
I thought Katy Perry was lip synching on SNL last week.
 
433 [TotalFark]
2013-10-19 10:29:27 PM

Charlie Freak: He loves autotune because you can still capture the "good" takes in terms of emotion, phrasing, etc and not have to spend hours in the studio waiting for the kid to get it right.


And you can stitch the good parts of several takes together without having to splice tape.  Digital editing is great for that.

Peki: if you need to be tuned, you're costing money in sound engineering time


Bill it!  I don't use ProTools, but the linear vocal editing I mentioned above is easy for people who know what they're doing to do.  Of course, nothing beats a talented vocalist.  Or a talented performer, in general.

It's tough to acknowledge that the state and shape of popular music has changed and has you feeling disenfranchised, but it isn't as if your favorite artists are now horrible, or that a little poking around won't turn up some gems.  Agreed, it's not like it used to be, but it wasn't what it was before that, either.  This sort of thing plunges music threads down rapidly, so I'll avoid anything further in that direction.

If there is a problem dogging a majority of modern recordings, I would wager that it is the heavy handed use of compression and sidechain compression.
 
433 [TotalFark]
2013-10-19 10:33:46 PM

Triumph: I thought Katy Perry was lip synching on SNL last week.


She could have been.  I don't know.  That was one of the coolest performances I've seen on SNL in quite a while, though.  The set design and costumes were great!  The "Roar," performance, at least.  Far better than Miley Cyrus, two dudes, one dwarf, and three guitars.  Miley wasn't lip synching, and she can sing well.  I don't like admitting that I liked the performance of Wrecking Ball.  I hope that girl disappears from the radar quickly.
 
2013-10-19 10:51:10 PM
She sounds like a dying whale.
 
2013-10-19 10:52:18 PM

unyon: Bathia_Mapes: I had to click on the Freddie Mercury/David Bowie link and listen to them singing Under Pressure with no backing just to get that out of my brain.

I don't know if that was really Britney or not, but it was f*cking awful.

Worth noting that that was the audio track from them recording the song, not from a live show.  It's not a fair comparison.


Check out Live at Wembley '86 or their Live Aid performance. Freddie Mercury, whatever else you can say about him, was absolutely amazing live and might have been the best frontman in history.

The difference between Britney Spears/other lip-sync artists and Freddie is that he didn't do a high-energy dance show. For pop artists that is a good bit of the appeal, and the reason why pop music sucks. Music should be the focus, not the dance routine, otherwise it would be called dancing.
 
433 [TotalFark]
2013-10-19 11:02:57 PM

Adolf Oliver Nipples: Music should be the focus, not the dance routine


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2013-10-19 11:03:29 PM

Adolf Oliver Nipples: Check out Live at Wembley '86 or their Live Aid performance. Freddie Mercury, whatever else you can say about him, was absolutely amazing live and might have been the best frontman in history.


My music teacher made me watch that when I was 10 years-old. Bless her heart. Every single student in the room was quiet and riveted for their entire set. It was amazing. Freddie Mercury is a Rock God.
 
2013-10-19 11:08:26 PM

433: Adolf Oliver Nipples: Music should be the focus, not the dance routine

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It's just not possible to sing well and do an aerobic routine at the same time.  Both require breath control, and in entirely different ways.
 
433 [TotalFark]
2013-10-19 11:20:14 PM
unyon, I meant, through use of a meme, to suggest that a song-and-dance routine is also entertainment in addition to musical performances and dance performances, that the combination of the two makes one, different but not dissimilar from its parents.
 
2013-10-19 11:24:32 PM
Sounds legit.  I know her mic is rigged to record everything, because I think I have an MP3 of her pre-show and she was upset about having to run out on stage without a vamp and outgrowing her outfit.  As for the brethlessness, remember she was (and maybe still is) a smoker, so that probably affected her being breathless.
 
2013-10-19 11:26:42 PM

unyon: 433: Adolf Oliver Nipples: Music should be the focus, not the dance routine

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It's just not possible to sing well and do an aerobic routine at the same time.  Both require breath control, and in entirely different ways.


Mick Jagger seems (seemed?) to do just fine.
 
2013-10-19 11:36:59 PM

SilentStrider: unyon: 433: Adolf Oliver Nipples: Music should be the focus, not the dance routine

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It's just not possible to sing well and do an aerobic routine at the same time.  Both require breath control, and in entirely different ways.

Mick Jagger seems (seemed?) to do just fine.


It's important to draw distinction between a little running and jumping around- which can be timed into the natural breaks of a song- and dancing a highly timed and choreographed routine at full throttle.  There's nobody that does that latter that doesn't voice track, its just not possible.

I'm not defending her musical style.  It's certainly not my taste.  But sometimes people have an unrealistic expectations of the possible, like expecting a band playing an outdoor halftime show in freezing weather to have instruments stay in tune. Physics is physics.

 Trust me, that type of show is more entertaining with the voice track.
 
2013-10-19 11:42:12 PM

unyon: 433: Adolf Oliver Nipples: Music should be the focus, not the dance routine

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It's just not possible to sing well and do an aerobic routine at the same time.  Both require breath control, and in entirely different ways.


Ahem.
 
2013-10-20 12:13:11 AM
Wow, so a singer dancing and flipping all over the stage and interacting with backup dancers in outlandish outfits and costumes and all sorts of other physical stunts sounds out of breath and unable to hold a pitch or stay on key when she sings? ....my mind is blown.
 
TKM
2013-10-20 12:20:00 AM
Still better than the pig with wings.
 
2013-10-20 12:26:27 AM

SauronWasFramed: I was at a John Denver concert back in the 70's, there was a huge storm and a power outage occurred at the coliseum. There were no lights and no amplifiers or speakers.

Somebody got Denver a flashlight and his acoustic. The crowd hushed and he played and sang. As the crowd was quiet as a mouse, even those in the nosebleed seats could hear perfectly. It was an event I have never forgotten. And hearing BS sing, I can only hope we are being trolled and this is not her true singing voice.


Weird. Unless John Denver's really unlucky with electrical providers, I was at that concert too!

I was young and went with my family but I really enjoyed it and I remember that happening to this day.
 
2013-10-20 12:27:26 AM
Meanwhile, Bruce Dickinson runs around the stage like a coked up chihuahua and he manages to sound great.
 
2013-10-20 12:29:30 AM

Lsherm: I'm not even sure you CAN if you're bouncing around the stage like that.


Kate Bush performed the entire album The Kick Inside while dancing and she was note-perfect.
 
2013-10-20 12:29:53 AM
2001 and Britney Spears, subby. This has been taken to the cleaners and back so often it's not even good rag any longer.
 
2013-10-20 12:33:07 AM
When I'm watching a performance like this, I don't care about the singing (not Britney Spears, but you get the idea).
 
2013-10-20 12:34:45 AM

dahmers love zombie: Probably what everyone in music these days sounds like.  Does anyone sing live without reverb, AutoTune, multiplexing, etc?



These guys
Link
 
2013-10-20 12:35:03 AM
Uploaded on Jan 6, 2009

previously uploaded to liveleak... and probably youtube again before that.

i29.tinypic.com

/old news
//exciting.
 
2013-10-20 12:36:50 AM
without clicking the link,,,,, Isolated track from about 3 years ago and she was wearing a circus master costume.

/Plus rather pudgy as she had just gotten back on tour
 
2013-10-20 12:37:00 AM

ecmoRandomNumbers: unyon: 433: Adolf Oliver Nipples: Music should be the focus, not the dance routine

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It's just not possible to sing well and do an aerobic routine at the same time.  Both require breath control, and in entirely different ways.

Ahem.


I was actually going to post one of her performances before you beat me to the punch. She can run around and do crazy shiat onstage and still sound pretty damned good. She's one of the few guilty pop singers I'll listen to.
 
2013-10-20 12:39:13 AM

unyon: 433: Adolf Oliver Nipples: Music should be the focus, not the dance routine

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It's just not possible to sing well and do an aerobic routine at the same time.  Both require breath control, and in entirely different ways.


THIS.

I don't give a rat's ass if they can dance I just want to see if they can sing and play live.

Auto-tuned, reverbed, enhanced/corrected singing or tape loops or wotever they use negate any potential enjoyment for me.
 
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