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(Opposing Views)   It's hard to put a price on judges selling innocent kids to jails for profit. But not really. It's $2.5 million   (opposingviews.com) divider line 87
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2013-10-19 07:06:45 PM  
Wasn't that an SVU episode?

/DRTFA
 
2013-10-19 07:09:40 PM  
In a society where for-profit prisons are encouraged, this should come as a shock to nobody.
 
2013-10-19 07:45:37 PM  

xanadian: In a society where for-profit prisons are encouraged, this should come as a shock to nobody.


This.  For-profit prisons should be illegal.  I'd go so far as to say there should be a Constitutional Amendment banning any entity but the state from running any penal institution whatsoever.  There should NEVER be an incentive to keep people locked up for profit.  Never.

/yes, I'm a criminologist
 
2013-10-19 08:17:25 PM  

dahmers love zombie: xanadian: In a society where for-profit prisons are encouraged, this should come as a shock to nobody.

This.  For-profit prisons should be illegal.  I'd go so far as to say there should be a Constitutional Amendment banning any entity but the state from running any penal institution whatsoever.  There should NEVER be an incentive to keep people locked up for profit.  Never.

/yes, I'm a criminologist


Having worked at one of those for-profit prisons before, I fully agree. The corruption there is horrible, they'll cut corners to save money at the cost of officers' and inmates' lives. It should be banned.
 
2013-10-19 08:17:40 PM  
I know juvie records are usually sealed, but shouldn't there also be some type of redaction from their records if those kids were just being sentenced for no good reason? I hope at least that was addressed as well.
 
2013-10-19 08:18:36 PM  

strangeluck: dahmers love zombie: xanadian: In a society where for-profit prisons are encouraged, this should come as a shock to nobody.

This.  For-profit prisons should be illegal.  I'd go so far as to say there should be a Constitutional Amendment banning any entity but the state from running any penal institution whatsoever.  There should NEVER be an incentive to keep people locked up for profit.  Never.

/yes, I'm a criminologist

Having worked at one of those for-profit prisons before, I fully agree. The corruption there is horrible, they'll cut corners to save money at the cost of officers' and inmates' lives. It should be banned.


Fourthed. This story is just one of many reasons for-profit prisons are evil.
 
2013-10-19 08:19:41 PM  
When I worked at legal aid I represented a woman in a divorce... her kid was one of the juveniles sentenced to juvie by Judge Chiaverella, just around when this scandal broke. I got her in touch with the attorney handling the class action against the state and the judges on behalf of the unfairly sentenced kids. Her case ended and I never found out what happened, but I really, really hope she got a SHIAT load of money out of it. This was just reprehensible.
 
2013-10-19 08:20:08 PM  
That seems oddly low.
 
2013-10-19 08:21:18 PM  
Saw a documentary on this a year or two ago.  At the time, it was only under investigation and I think the judges involved weren't charged yet.  Pretty awful stuff (kids being sent to these institutions for very minor things like getting into a fight).  Good to see this is being resolved and the judges are going to jail for serious terms.  Oh and this:

2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-10-19 08:21:23 PM  

skinink: I know juvie records are usually sealed, but shouldn't there also be some type of redaction from their records if those kids were just being sentenced for no good reason? I hope at least that was addressed as well.


IIRC the records of all the kids that were sentenced by Ciaveralla were expunged.
 
2013-10-19 08:25:13 PM  
Barely seems like a punishment given that the crime was a conspiracy to falsely imprison children.
 
2013-10-19 08:29:15 PM  
 
2013-10-19 08:34:20 PM  
Every kid and every member of their families should get 30 minutes alone with these vermin. With nun chucks.
 
2013-10-19 08:34:49 PM  
These assbags should have gotten more time behind bars

Corruption needs to be destroyed
 
2013-10-19 08:36:12 PM  
Were the kids in question Untamed Youth?

Mamie Van Doren movies should be the basis for masturbation fantasies or snarky comments delivered by robots, not the basis for judicial corruption schemes.
 
2013-10-19 08:37:56 PM  

mofa: Every kid and every member of their families should get 30 minutes alone with these vermin. With nun chucks.


I second that, but instead of nunchucks, how about spiked boards or just their edged weapon of choice?
 
2013-10-19 08:38:09 PM  
www.virginmedia.com
 
2013-10-19 08:39:21 PM  

super_grass: That seems oddly low.


Not really. We're talking about kids, not people.
 
2013-10-19 08:39:33 PM  
Legal market.
 
2013-10-19 08:39:42 PM  

strangeluck: mofa: Every kid and every member of their families should get 30 minutes alone with these vermin. With nun chucks.

I second that, but instead of nunchucks, how about spiked boards or just their edged weapon of choice?


Why give the vermin any weapon at all?
 
2013-10-19 08:41:50 PM  
I see from Wikipedia that the executives who offered the bribes got off rather lightly.
 
2013-10-19 08:44:14 PM  

super_grass: That seems oddly low.


Well, they're judges, so they won't be eligible for parole until next Wednesday.
 
2013-10-19 08:46:57 PM  

super_grass: That seems oddly low.


I thought that was the amount we had to chip in to ensure lifetime anal rape of the judges involed in one of those for-profit prison.

/Kickstarter, perhaps?
 
2013-10-19 08:48:20 PM  

strangeluck: mofa: Every kid and every member of their families should get 30 minutes alone with these vermin. With nun chucks.

I second that, but instead of nunchucks, how about spiked boards or just their edged weapon of choice?


Because you have to leave something for the next kid in line?
 
2013-10-19 08:58:35 PM  

super_grass: That seems oddly low.


Not really, normally $2.5M will get you a Senator or a Justice of the Supreme Court.
 
2013-10-19 08:59:07 PM  
Did anyone notice the article below it, "35 signs you're an awful parent"?

helablog.com
 
2013-10-19 08:59:08 PM  

skinink: I know juvie records are usually sealed, but shouldn't there also be some type of redaction from their records if those kids were just being sentenced for no good reason? I hope at least that was addressed as well.


Redact their criminal records? Even if they were smoking the pot?
 
2013-10-19 09:02:37 PM  

strangeluck: mofa: Every kid and every member of their families should get 30 minutes alone with these vermin. With nun chucks.

I second that, but instead of nunchucks, how about spiked boards or just their edged weapon of choice?


Enormous steel dildos and tattoo guns, a la "The Girl With the Dragon Tattoo".
 
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2013-10-19 09:04:38 PM  
MrEricSir

The judges got substantial prison terms. The $2.5 million is compensation to the kids who may or may not have been guilty but didn't get a fair trial.

This would be a good case for making an exception to absolute judicial immunity. Judges can not be sued for damages if they arguably had jurisdiction over the case. But here they were proved beyond a reasonable doubt to have engaged in corrupt acts related to the case. They don't have money anyway so this is an abstract legal debate.
 
2013-10-19 09:05:01 PM  
The only appropriate penalty for the prison is complete turnover to the state.  This is not a 'well, we need to fix this by fining you situation.'  If they need the prison space, the state should seize the prisons and run them themselves.  We should ban private prisons.  We should offer to buy the existing ones that haven't been tied to the scandal for market value, but ones dirty like this, ugh.
 
2013-10-19 09:10:00 PM  
Killing a judge IS the American way. Remember, they're attorneys, meaning they are expendable.
 
2013-10-19 09:12:46 PM  

HoratioGates: The only appropriate penalty for the prison is complete turnover to the state.  This is not a 'well, we need to fix this by fining you situation.'  If they need the prison space, the state should seize the prisons and run them themselves.  We should ban private prisons.  We should offer to buy the existing ones that haven't been tied to the scandal for market value, but ones dirty like this, ugh.


the state should apply seized asset rules - the article doesn't state if anyone from the prison is in a jam Any info on that?
 
2013-10-19 09:14:51 PM  

cmunic8r99: Wasn't that an SVU episode?

/DRTFA


It was on The Good Wife.

/but probably also SVU
//also DRTFA
 
2013-10-19 09:16:59 PM  
dahmers love zombie:  /yes, I'm a criminologist

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2013-10-19 09:17:05 PM  

dahmers love zombie: xanadian: In a society where for-profit prisons are encouraged, this should come as a shock to nobody.

This.  For-profit prisons should be illegal.  I'd go so far as to say there should be a Constitutional Amendment banning any entity but the state from running any penal institution whatsoever.  There should NEVER be an incentive to keep people locked up for profit.  Never.

/yes, I'm a criminologist


Totally agree with you, prisons should never be for profit.
 
2013-10-19 09:20:16 PM  
the judges and all the executives at the prison companies should be violently anally raped in one of their own prisons then shot dead live on national TV.
 
2013-10-19 09:21:38 PM  
How much did the company profit? 250 million.
 
2013-10-19 09:22:22 PM  
I hope that $2.5M is more than the profit they made off these kids, otherwise it is just a cost of doing business and not a punishment.
 
2013-10-19 09:28:55 PM  
In many ways what the judges did was much worse than the punishment.   This is not good enough for justice, they need to make an example out of them.  Parade them around in each state and question the legitimacy of privatization.  This will soon be forgotten or not even noticed by the masses.
Really, this should get 24 hour coverage like a bombing.
 
2013-10-19 09:30:36 PM  

huckleberg: the judges and all the executives at the prison companies should be violently anally raped in one of their own prisons then shot dead live on national TV.


How do you get shot dead live?
 
2013-10-19 09:34:22 PM  

Marcintosh: the state should apply seized asset rules


As someone who is opposed to civil forfeiture laws, that would be hilariously awesome.
 
2013-10-19 09:40:40 PM  

DigitalCoffee: dahmers love zombie:  /yes, I'm a criminologist


What diabolical chicken...
 
2013-10-19 09:48:46 PM  

Danger Avoid Death: huckleberg: the judges and all the executives at the prison companies should be violently anally raped in one of their own prisons then shot dead live on national TV.

How do you get shot dead live?


You broadcast it as it's happening rather than record it and broadcast the recording. I'm not in television production, so I can't give a more technical explanation, but that's the general idea.
 
2013-10-19 09:52:44 PM  

evaned: Marcintosh: the state should apply seized asset rules

As someone who is opposed to civil forfeiture laws, that would be hilariously awesome.


Do you not agree?  They are playing with a finite and delicate resource, the lives of people.  Obviously they're pursuing a failed business model or one that allows for criminal activity.  In either case . . . Why should the corporation be allowed to stay on the state teat?   Not even getting into the ethical / moral issues.   As an aside, would like to know if they pay any taxes
 
2013-10-19 09:57:29 PM  
Not enough money in the world. There's lots of nasty stuff going on for sure, but this qualifies as one of the special ones. I want them flayed alive.
 
2013-10-19 10:04:06 PM  
Marcintosh: Obviously they're pursuing a failed business model or one that allows for criminal activity.

This is a good point I would like to follow a bit more.
This gets to the core argument of many politicians.  They see the market as a god-like function which allows the best to rise to the top.  This is the entire argument for all kinds of privatization.
But unless you are creating a competing product, there are no market forces.
Plus in this country there tends to be few legal market pure markets.  The drug trade is the best proof of a free market keeping prices down.
But what privatization actually accomplishes is that it opens the door for systemic corruption. Typically it is a monopoly.
It degrades the quality of the formerly public service.  Examples are (prisons, dui school, charter schools (just wait, you will see), healthcare, health insurance, mental health care, public works such as garbage and energy distribution) almost everything privatized fails to work without strict regulation because of the corrupting and corner cutting degradations.
 
2013-10-19 10:05:16 PM  

addy2: Not enough money in the world.


Yes there is.

But as punishment, hang the judges.
 
2013-10-19 10:20:02 PM  
Is Woody Harrelson's dad still alive?  Maybe he should have a weekend furlough and do what he does best.
 
2013-10-19 10:20:19 PM  
Oddly I didn't see any mention of how much time the operators of the juvie centers got.  Oh, right.  They're corporations, so probably none.
 
2013-10-19 10:21:22 PM  

dahmers love zombie: xanadian: In a society where for-profit prisons are encouraged, this should come as a shock to nobody.

This.  For-profit prisons should be illegal.  I'd go so far as to say there should be a Constitutional Amendment banning any entity but the state from running any penal institution whatsoever.  There should NEVER be an incentive to keep people locked up for profit.  Never.

/yes, I'm a criminologist


Even state run prisons are for profit.  Maybe not the prison itself but the companies that provide services and supplies for the prison.  There was a Frontline episode about this.  Explains why the US has the highest incarceration rate.
 
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