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2013-10-19 02:54:27 PM
If the police had been there before they would already be on edge. The mom called 911 and said my son is mentally ill and he's out front with a knife acting weird.

A knife is a deadly weapon; if you get within about 30 feet from an officer while holding one, the officer will shoot.

That said, it's hard to tell from the footage how aggressive he was acting or if he was even holding the knife.

If this case get any media traction, though, it will be just like the Trayvon Martin case -- tried and convicted in public without any facts.
 
2013-10-19 03:01:17 PM

Sensei Can You See: If the police had been there before they would already be on edge. The mom called 911 and said my son is mentally ill and he's out front with a knife acting weird.

A knife is a deadly weapon; if you get within about 30 feet from an officer while holding one, the officer will shoot.

That said, it's hard to tell from the footage how aggressive he was acting or if he was even holding the knife.

If this case get any media traction, though, it will be just like the Trayvon Martin case -- tried and convicted in public without any facts.


Except for the video, of course.  Which pretty much speaks for itself.
 
2013-10-19 03:03:00 PM
If the police had been there before they would already be on edge.

And that matters absolutely zero.

The mom called 911 and said my son is mentally ill and he's out front with a knife acting weird.

Which makes not one bit of difference.

A knife is a deadly weapon; if you get within about 30 feet from an officer while holding one, the officer will shoot.

And if you back up your car toward them not knowing they are there.
 
2013-10-19 03:06:09 PM
That video is quite shocking. The officers were in no danger, he'd stood up, but made no move towards them. Basic training should have prevented them shooting him.

+1
 
2013-10-19 03:11:14 PM
Maybe the cops were just trying to make their quota.
 
2013-10-19 03:13:54 PM
The people who made the video are going to be in a world of sh*t. The police are going to go all-out to ruin them. I think the neighbor was smart to release it to the media/internet first. Otherwise it would have "disappeared".
 
2013-10-19 03:14:57 PM

jamspoon: That video is quite shocking. The officers were in no danger, he'd stood up, but made no move towards them. Basic training should have prevented them shooting him.

+1



Basic human decency could stopped the shooting of an nonthreating and appears   compliant   man. The demand for excess police has dismissed the quality of training and screening of police in the past 25 years. There is far too many people that wear a badge and carry a gun because of deep seated problems themselves and to have them to attempt to kill one of their own ilk seems about right.
 
2013-10-19 03:23:12 PM
Saw a shoplifting suspect at Target.  Two police officers, one male and one female, were calmly talking to the guy standing at the driver's door of his SUV.  They were relaxed and even being friendly with the guy.

But another officer was hiding behind the SUV in a half-crouch, peering around the edge of the vehicle with his hand on his weapon.  He had the shaved head and the black shades and pumped up weight room steroid body.

I stood there and watched that a for a few minutes and the two officers checked the guy's bag and his receipt and patted him down.  The guy was completely cooperative.  The two officers obviously found nothing and they made a little chit-chat and laughed with the guy a little and then let the guy go and started walking back toward the store.

But Mr. Supercop moved over to the side a little and stood there near the guy's car in a wary stance staring the guy down through his window while he backed out of the parking space and didn't turn away until the guy was driving way.

I saw two public servants performing their jobs professionally and one bizarre fierce angry guy in a uniform.
 
2013-10-19 03:31:44 PM

eurotrader: jamspoon: That video is quite shocking. The officers were in no danger, he'd stood up, but made no move towards them. Basic training should have prevented them shooting him.

+1


Basic human decency could stopped the shooting of an nonthreating and appears   compliant   man. The demand for excess police has dismissed the quality of training and screening of police in the past 25 years. There is far too many people that wear a badge and carry a gun because of deep seated problems themselves and to have them to attempt to kill one of their own ilk seems about right.


Coming for the UK where police are not routinely armed it looks like the actions of a 3rd world police force. Shouldn'#t the police have non lethal weapons with them as a first resort? Tazers. Pepper Spray. Night sticks.
 
2013-10-19 03:32:06 PM

Sir Cumference the Flatulent: The people who made the video are going to be in a world of sh*t. The police are going to go all-out to ruin them. I think the neighbor was smart to release it to the media/internet first. Otherwise it would have "disappeared".


The cops did abscond with the neighbor's DVR, immediately after finding out there was video.  Surprisingly, they returned it with the video intact.
 
2013-10-19 03:37:10 PM

jamspoon: eurotrader: jamspoon: That video is quite shocking. The officers were in no danger, he'd stood up, but made no move towards them. Basic training should have prevented them shooting him.

+1


Basic human decency could stopped the shooting of an nonthreating and appears   compliant   man. The demand for excess police has dismissed the quality of training and screening of police in the past 25 years. There is far too many people that wear a badge and carry a gun because of deep seated problems themselves and to have them to attempt to kill one of their own ilk seems about right.

Coming for the UK where police are not routinely armed it looks like the actions of a 3rd world police force. Shouldn'#t the police have non lethal weapons with them as a first resort? Tazers. Pepper Spray. Night sticks.


Tazers were advertised to us as an alternative to deadly force.  They would only be used in place of deadly force.  Of course that was incorrect.  Tazers are used on smart-mouths every day and aren't really used as a replacements for deadly force as often as were originally predicted.
 
2013-10-19 03:39:15 PM
Don't pretty much all cops have tazers now? There were two cops there, one can taze while the other covers with a real gun. There is no excuse for an outcome like this.

Dear cops, you are being watched.
 
2013-10-19 03:42:47 PM
Not clicking The Blaze.

Would someone please post a link to a reputable source for the story?
 
2013-10-19 03:58:58 PM

violentsalvation: Don't pretty much all cops have tazers now? There were two cops there, one can taze while the other covers with a real gun. There is no excuse for an outcome like this.

Dear cops, you are being watched.


But you are not really going to be held accountable.  Feel free to do whatever you like.  Unless it's truly awful and somehow goes viral in the Internet, you're safe.  And even if it does, the most you can expect is a 2-week paid vacation while your department figures out how to excuse what you did.  You have to get a real activist AG and a real activist judge and a real activist Chief, all at the same time, to be truly held accountable.

But, we're going to sit here on the Internet and threaten to watch you.  Feel free to take our phones and video cameras when we do, though.
 
2013-10-19 04:02:21 PM

Benevolent Misanthrope: Feel free to take our phones and video cameras when we do, though.


uh, no.
 
2013-10-19 04:04:03 PM

IntertubeUser: Not clicking The Blaze.

Would someone please post a link to a reputable source for the story?


Link
 
2013-10-19 04:05:06 PM

violentsalvation: Benevolent Misanthrope: Feel free to take our phones and video cameras when we do, though.

uh, no.


Uh, yeah.  That's what cops do, they commit crimes and destroy the evidence.  What are we going to do about it?  Nothing.  biatch online.  Threaten, "We're watching you!" some more.  But really - in actual reality - we can't do much.  They just shift their attention to us, and commit a crime and destroy the evidence.
 
2013-10-19 04:05:09 PM

arkansas: If the police had been there before they would already be on edge.

And that matters absolutely zero.

The mom called 911 and said my son is mentally ill and he's out front with a knife acting weird.

Which makes not one bit of difference.

A knife is a deadly weapon; if you get within about 30 feet from an officer while holding one, the officer will shoot.

And if you back up your car toward them not knowing they are there.


Look, the guy was -- if the account of the 911 call is correct --  holding a deadly weapon.

Like I said: If you are brandishing a knife and you get within 30 feet of a police officer, they WILL shoot.Not because they're overreacting; because they're trained to.

Those two things make a LOT of difference.

But as I also said -- it's hard  to tell from the video exactly what the guy was doing.
 
2013-10-19 04:50:26 PM
Can we stop using the word Tazer as a word that masks what's actually happening: electrocution.
 
2013-10-19 05:14:51 PM

Benevolent Misanthrope: violentsalvation: Benevolent Misanthrope: Feel free to take our phones and video cameras when we do, though.

uh, no.

Uh, yeah.  That's what cops do, they commit crimes and destroy the evidence.  What are we going to do about it?  Nothing.  biatch online.  Threaten, "We're watching you!" some more.  But really - in actual reality - we can't do much.  They just shift their attention to us, and commit a crime and destroy the evidence.


People often get the video online before the cops know they've been filmed. We can't do much, but now- commonplace technology has given us ordinary citizens an advantage that we didn't have 5-10 years ago.

gaslight: Can we stop using the word Tazer as a word that masks what's actually happening: electrocution.


Just as soon as we change the definition of electrocution.
 
2013-10-19 05:24:35 PM

violentsalvation: Benevolent Misanthrope: violentsalvation: Benevolent Misanthrope: Feel free to take our phones and video cameras when we do, though.

uh, no.

Uh, yeah.  That's what cops do, they commit crimes and destroy the evidence.  What are we going to do about it?  Nothing.  biatch online.  Threaten, "We're watching you!" some more.  But really - in actual reality - we can't do much.  They just shift their attention to us, and commit a crime and destroy the evidence.

People often get the video online before the cops know they've been filmed. We can't do much, but now- commonplace technology has given us ordinary citizens an advantage that we didn't have 5-10 years ago.


Let's hope.  But for now, I think the cops are still far more likely to get off scot-free after committing a crime than they are to be held accountable.
 
2013-10-19 05:40:20 PM

Sensei Can You See: arkansas: If the police had been there before they would already be on edge.

And that matters absolutely zero.

The mom called 911 and said my son is mentally ill and he's out front with a knife acting weird.

Which makes not one bit of difference.

A knife is a deadly weapon; if you get within about 30 feet from an officer while holding one, the officer will shoot.

And if you back up your car toward them not knowing they are there.

Look, the guy was -- if the account of the 911 call is correct --  holding a deadly weapon.

Like I said: If you are brandishing a knife and you get within 30 feet of a police officer, they WILL shoot.Not because they're overreacting; because they're trained to.

Those two things make a LOT of difference.

But as I also said -- it's hard  to tell from the video exactly what the guy was doing.


Don't be ignorant.  It is clear that he had a knife when he called 911 but NOT when the officers shot him.  Guess what?  I have at one time in my life held a deadly weapon.  That does not make me open game the next time a cop sees me.

And those things make NO DIFFERENCE.  A cop being "on edge" does no justify a shooting.  The fact that the person "had a knife when 911 was called" does not justify a shooting.  Therefore NO DIFFERENCE.
 
2013-10-19 06:53:43 PM

violentsalvation: IntertubeUser: Not clicking The Blaze.

Would someone please post a link to a reputable source for the story?

Link


Thanks!

I don't see how someone can watch that video and defend the actions of the police in this situation.  Once again, we see an example of crooked, dishonest, police and no one will do a damned thing about it.
 
2013-10-19 09:47:30 PM
violentsalvation:

gaslight: Can we stop using the word Tazer as a word that masks what's actually happening: electrocution.

Just as soon as we change the definition of electrocution.


Have you told Taser that you think  they're wrong? Electricity is the first word in the description.
 
2013-10-20 05:08:18 PM
This is what we need. More bad/stupid cops on video where they can't hide behind their badge and their buddies.

Start licensing these motherfarkers at the State level, just like we do contractors and medical people. If the departments won't discipline them, take their licenses to work away.
 
2013-10-20 05:10:15 PM

gaslight: Have you told Taser that you think  they're wrong? Electricity is the first word in the description.


A taser is to electrocution in the same manner as a defibrillator is similar to an electric chair.
 
2013-10-20 05:47:44 PM
He fired four rounds and only hit him once from that distance? I don't think we need police officers with poor aim and judgement.
 
2013-10-20 06:04:06 PM

gaslight: violentsalvation:

gaslight: Can we stop using the word Tazer as a word that masks what's actually happening: electrocution.

Just as soon as we change the definition of electrocution.

Have you told Taser that you think  they're wrong? Electricity is the first word in the description.


hardinparamedic: gaslight: Have you told Taser that you think  they're wrong? Electricity is the first word in the description.

A taser is to electrocution in the same manner as a defibrillator is similar to an electric chair.


Electrocution is defined as "death by electricity". Tazers do not cause death.
 
2013-10-20 06:06:39 PM
Not sure how I ended up quoting hardinparamedic. Twas an accident.
 
2013-10-20 06:20:40 PM
They even charged him with aggravated assault of a Police Officer. Yeah, good luck proving intent with that video footage. The suspect's hands and feet don't even move before he is shot. The D.A. will be lucky to get a plea bargain deal for disorderly conduct or disturbing the peace.

And the man who was shot, is going get a nice big payday, hopefully he survives and isn't paralyzed.

Seemed like a textbook situation for Tazer deployment.
 
2013-10-20 06:23:02 PM
"when the officers said freeze, he complied".  and then continued to comply by standing up?
 
2013-10-20 06:29:46 PM
lol The Blaze.
No clickey. Not now. Not ever.
 
2013-10-20 06:39:25 PM

miss diminutive: He fired four rounds and only hit him once from that distance? I don't think we need police officers with poor aim and judgement.


Considering most cops spend maybe a day a year on the gun range, my 70 year old mother is a better shot than most cops.
 
2013-10-20 06:40:24 PM
People just have to stop being mentally ill. It would make things a lot easier.
 
2013-10-20 06:55:33 PM

Kit Fister: miss diminutive: He fired four rounds and only hit him once from that distance? I don't think we need police officers with poor aim and judgement.

Considering most cops spend maybe a day a year on the gun range, my 70 year old mother is a better shot than most cops.


So every cop movie has lied to me? Not every police chief chews out his officers after getting it from the mayor about all the damage caused by renegade heroic cops playing by their own rules?
 
2013-10-20 07:01:27 PM
All police officers should be required to wear a video camera at all times when on duty that can't be turned off or disabled.
 
2013-10-20 07:05:21 PM

IntertubeUser: Not clicking The Blaze.

Would someone please post a link to a reputable source for the story?


Google it yourself, you lazy POS.

In other news, this is why police unions are vehemently anti-video.
 
2013-10-20 07:05:43 PM

jaylectricity: Tazers do not cause death.


Ha ha, funny!
 
2013-10-20 07:06:17 PM
Isn't that what tasers are for? it seems to me that 90% of the incidents you see could've easily been solves with the taser yet they cops chose to use lethal instead.
 
2013-10-20 07:10:29 PM

jaylectricity: gaslight: violentsalvation:

gaslight: Can we stop using the word Tazer as a word that masks what's actually happening: electrocution.

Just as soon as we change the definition of electrocution.

Have you told Taser that you think  they're wrong? Electricity is the first word in the description.

hardinparamedic: gaslight: Have you told Taser that you think  they're wrong? Electricity is the first word in the description.

A taser is to electrocution in the same manner as a defibrillator is similar to an electric chair.

Electrocution is defined as "death by electricity". Tazers do not cause death.


Tazers don't kill, excited delirium kills.
 
2013-10-20 07:10:49 PM

SuperNinjaToad: Isn't that what tasers are for? it seems to me that 90% of the incidents you see could've easily been solves with the taser yet they cops chose to use lethal instead.


Tasers are used to incapacitate people who aren't presenting any possible threat at all. Unarmed old people, scrawny college kids, elementary school children, etc...

Guns are used to murder anyone who might sorta kinda be a minor threat, if the Officers got within physical reach.
 
2013-10-20 07:11:41 PM

arkansas: jamspoon: eurotrader: jamspoon: That video is quite shocking. The officers were in no danger, he'd stood up, but made no move towards them. Basic training should have prevented them shooting him.

+1


Basic human decency could stopped the shooting of an nonthreating and appears   compliant   man. The demand for excess police has dismissed the quality of training and screening of police in the past 25 years. There is far too many people that wear a badge and carry a gun because of deep seated problems themselves and to have them to attempt to kill one of their own ilk seems about right.

Coming for the UK where police are not routinely armed it looks like the actions of a 3rd world police force. Shouldn'#t the police have non lethal weapons with them as a first resort? Tazers. Pepper Spray. Night sticks.

Tazers were advertised to us as an alternative to deadly force.  They would only be used in place of deadly force.  Of course that was incorrect.  Tazers are used on smart-mouths every day and aren't really used as a replacements for deadly force as often as were originally predicted.


My bother, is a cop (and incidentally, a raging asshole to boot).  Back in the days when I actually spoke to him, we were watching the news, or maybe it was even cops, and they tased someone.  I said to my brother, "Um, don't you think that tazing was a little unnecessary?  It's not like he was armed or posed a threat to the cops"  His response: "tazing is used to enforce compliance, not as defense against a weapon"

He was totally serious.
 
2013-10-20 07:12:05 PM
Video in link is now set to "Private," can anyone get a mirror?
 
2013-10-20 07:12:12 PM

IntertubeUser: violentsalvation: IntertubeUser: Not clicking The Blaze.

Would someone please post a link to a reputable source for the story?

Link

Thanks!

I don't see how someone can watch that video and defend the actions of the police in this situation.  Once again, we see an example of crooked, dishonest, police and no one will do a damned thing about it.


I think it's a matter of a lot of these stories being out there, but you'll find that there are people who are so stuck in their own political bubble, they refuse to check news sources simply because of a political bias.  Can you even fathom what kind of simpleton would rather stick his head in the sand and risk not being informed of things around him just because of the source?
 
2013-10-20 07:13:01 PM
A cop filing a false report? Blasphemy! No such thing ever happens.
 
2013-10-20 07:13:06 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-326WnWwWE

I cannot recommend this Candian Police training video about knives enough.   NSFW language.

"Christ, I'm owlmost hooome.   Why don't you let me goh."
 
2013-10-20 07:14:57 PM

tripleseven: arkansas: jamspoon: eurotrader: jamspoon: That video is quite shocking. The officers were in no danger, he'd stood up, but made no move towards them. Basic training should have prevented them shooting him.

+1


Basic human decency could stopped the shooting of an nonthreating and appears   compliant   man. The demand for excess police has dismissed the quality of training and screening of police in the past 25 years. There is far too many people that wear a badge and carry a gun because of deep seated problems themselves and to have them to attempt to kill one of their own ilk seems about right.

Coming for the UK where police are not routinely armed it looks like the actions of a 3rd world police force. Shouldn'#t the police have non lethal weapons with them as a first resort? Tazers. Pepper Spray. Night sticks.

Tazers were advertised to us as an alternative to deadly force.  They would only be used in place of deadly force.  Of course that was incorrect.  Tazers are used on smart-mouths every day and aren't really used as a replacements for deadly force as often as were originally predicted.

My bother, is a cop (and incidentally, a raging asshole to boot).  Back in the days when I actually spoke to him, we were watching the news, or maybe it was even cops, and they tased someone.  I said to my brother, "Um, don't you think that tazing was a little unnecessary?  It's not like he was armed or posed a threat to the cops"  His response: "tazing is used to enforce compliance, not as defense against a weapon"

He was totally serious.


Of course he was, that's what the agencies teach. It's not a secret that tasers, pepper spray, rubber bullets, and all the other "less than lethal" options are used not as an alternative to guns, but as an alternative and/or supplement to verbal commands.
 
2013-10-20 07:15:08 PM

tripleseven: arkansas: jamspoon: eurotrader: jamspoon: That video is quite shocking. The officers were in no danger, he'd stood up, but made no move towards them. Basic training should have prevented them shooting him.

+1


Basic human decency could stopped the shooting of an nonthreating and appears   compliant   man. The demand for excess police has dismissed the quality of training and screening of police in the past 25 years. There is far too many people that wear a badge and carry a gun because of deep seated problems themselves and to have them to attempt to kill one of their own ilk seems about right.

Coming for the UK where police are not routinely armed it looks like the actions of a 3rd world police force. Shouldn'#t the police have non lethal weapons with them as a first resort? Tazers. Pepper Spray. Night sticks.

Tazers were advertised to us as an alternative to deadly force.  They would only be used in place of deadly force.  Of course that was incorrect.  Tazers are used on smart-mouths every day and aren't really used as a replacements for deadly force as often as were originally predicted.

My bother, is a cop (and incidentally, a raging asshole to boot).  Back in the days when I actually spoke to him, we were watching the news, or maybe it was even cops, and they tased someone.  I said to my brother, "Um, don't you think that tazing was a little unnecessary?  It's not like he was armed or posed a threat to the cops"  His response: "tazing is used to enforce compliance, not as defense against a weapon"

He was totally serious.


Your brother is a c*nt.
 
2013-10-20 07:16:59 PM

gaslight: Can we stop using the word Tazer as a word that masks what's actually happening: electrocution.


*sigh*

Electrocution is death by electricity.  It isn't getting shocked.

Or, next time I cut myself shaving, do I get to say that I accidentally decapitated myself?
 
2013-10-20 07:17:25 PM

jaylectricity: Electrocution is defined as "death by electricity". Tazers do not cause death.


Really?

"...actual deployment of Tasers by police in the years since Tasers came into widespread use is claimed to have resulted in more than 180 deaths as of 2006"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taser_safety_issues


/I'm sure you'll jump on the word "claimed"
 
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