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2013-10-19 01:45:11 PM
Yeah, that's totes what it says.
 
2013-10-19 02:03:16 PM
It says she's using a playbook once used by racists, not that she's on herself.  On the other hand, it does call her out on supporting policies that are blatantly classist as well of trying to divert public money into religious fundie schools.  Plus, there's the fact that the whole thing is a teabagger front to try to undermine and destroy the public education system.
 
2013-10-19 02:12:06 PM
Nazi's were the first major Anti-smokers. They were also the first pro-Flouride. And, they really loved building highways.

Just because racists once did it doesn't mean that it is automatically evil when someone else picks it up
 
2013-10-19 02:15:16 PM
Public school tax money should be spent on public schools.

"Vouchers" are another way of saying "Fark you, I got mine".
 
2013-10-19 02:17:11 PM

Marcus Aurelius: Public school tax money should be spent on public schools.

"Vouchers" are another way of saying "Fark you, I got mine".


Exactly.  I understand parents being concerned about their kids going to a school that isn't performing well, but taking all of the kids with involved parents out of that school is just going to make it fall harder and faster.

The solution is to fix the system we have so everyone benefits.
 
2013-10-19 02:18:59 PM
Kos spends a lot of time in the "you're not helping" territory.
 
2013-10-19 02:28:52 PM
Subby, ask a grown-up to read the article to you, because you obviously didn't understand it.
 
2013-10-19 02:46:47 PM

cman: Nazi's were the first major Anti-smokers. They were also the first pro-Flouride. And, they really loved building highways.

Just because racists once did it doesn't mean that it is automatically evil when someone else picks it up


Don't be dumb, study after study show fluoride having a beneficial effect at the levels used in municipal fluoridation.
 
2013-10-19 02:48:45 PM

cman: Nazi's were the first major Anti-smokers. They were also the first pro-Flouride. And, they really loved building highways.

Just because racists once did it doesn't mean that it is automatically evil when someone else picks it up


Argument by innuendo is all they have.

olddeegee: Kos spends a lot of time in the "you're not helping" territory.


Ya think?
 
2013-10-19 02:49:54 PM

RexTalionis: cman: Nazi's were the first major Anti-smokers. They were also the first pro-Flouride. And, they really loved building highways.

Just because racists once did it doesn't mean that it is automatically evil when someone else picks it up

Don't be dumb, study after study show fluoride having a beneficial effect at the levels used in municipal fluoridation.


Hang on, I completely misread that. I apologize.
 
2013-10-19 02:54:48 PM
Not even close, subby.
 
2013-10-19 03:15:00 PM

cman: Nazi's were the first major Anti-smokers. They were also the first pro-Flouride. And, they really loved building highways.

Just because racists once did it doesn't mean that it is automatically evil when someone else picks it up


Anti-smokers are still fascists. And the Germans build highways to last, not like we do in the US. I am fluoride neutral.
 
2013-10-19 03:19:21 PM
simplicimus:

Anti-smokers are still fascists.

That's a silly thing to say. I think people shouldn't smoke, but I'm not for legislating it out of existence- that-s impossible- I believe in education and high taxes on ciggies.

I am fluoride neutral.

I'll tell your wife hello.
 
2013-10-19 03:26:24 PM

Koalaesq: simplicimus:

Anti-smokers are still fascists.

That's a silly thing to say. I think people shouldn't smoke, but I'm not for legislating it out of existence- that-s impossible- I believe in education and high taxes on ciggies.


Designated smoking areas, laws banning smoking in public, proposed laws against smoking at home, proposed laws against e-cigs, cars without ashtrays or cigarette lighters, there's a war on smokers!
 
2013-10-19 03:53:07 PM

TuteTibiImperes: Marcus Aurelius: Public school tax money should be spent on public schools.

"Vouchers" are another way of saying "Fark you, I got mine".

Exactly.  I understand parents being concerned about their kids going to a school that isn't performing well, but taking all of the kids with involved parents out of that school is just going to make it fall harder and faster.

The solution is to fix the system we have so everyone benefits.


The best solution was to continue to invest in school systems and bring them all up to similar financing levels with similarly-experienced teachers. Also, never begin the stupid farking "teach to the almighty test" bullshiat in the first farking place.
 
2013-10-19 04:26:41 PM
Subby is just pointing out the real racists.
 
2013-10-19 04:27:13 PM

Lionel Mandrake: Not even close, subby.


This just in:  This place is full of troll headlines.  It is lame, just like this one.  No one seems to mind when it's in favor of their side, though.
 
2013-10-19 04:28:33 PM
Daily Kos article states that an Asian female school reform advocate who is married to the African-American mayor of Sacramento is in fact a white supremicist

And it says that where?
 
2013-10-19 04:29:54 PM
Headline troll is trolly.
 
2013-10-19 04:31:02 PM

cman: Nazi's were the first major Anti-smokers. They were also the first pro-Flouride. And, they really loved building highways.

Just because racists once did it doesn't mean that it is automatically evil when someone else picks it up


Yeah, I don't get this about humans. The origin of the idea matters more than the idea itself (see Obamacare for another good example).
 
2013-10-19 04:31:35 PM

TuteTibiImperes: It says she's using a playbook once used by racists, not that she's on herself.  On the other hand, it does call her out on supporting policies that are blatantly classist as well of trying to divert public money into religious fundie schools.  Plus, there's the fact that the whole thing is a teabagger front to try to undermine and destroy the public education system.


This.
 
2013-10-19 04:34:40 PM

dr_blasto: The best solution was to continue to invest in school systems and bring them all up to similar financing levels with similarly-experienced teachers


I agree, but that would also mean promoting and doling out raises to teachers based on merit, and not on seniority.  Certain people are quick to point out that private schools spend more money per student, while ignoring that they have much greater leeway when it comes to staffing and promotions.  There's a reason that vouchers are popular, even among minorities and the economically disadvantaged.  Too many public schools are terrible and have terrible teachers.

Axe NCLB, and stop pretending that everybody should go to a four-year college.  And nobody below the college-level should have tenure, if you're abusive to students or show up to work drunk it shouldn't take legal action to fire you and take your pension away.
 
2013-10-19 04:36:17 PM

Fark It: Certain people are quick to point out that private schools spend more money per student, while ignoring that they have much greater leeway when it comes to staffing and promotions.


As well as excluding any students they don't want.
 
2013-10-19 04:37:02 PM
voucher in LA were an end run to allow teaching creationism and the court cases drag on. bobby is flat out lying when he pushes vouchers as a good solution to the farked up education in this state.
 
2013-10-19 04:37:47 PM
Asians think white skin is superior?  WHAT NONSENSE IS THI-

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2013-10-19 04:39:51 PM

weltallica: Asians think white skin is superior?  WHAT NONSENSE IS THI-

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Oh lawd!
 
2013-10-19 04:40:15 PM

Fart_Machine: Fark It: Certain people are quick to point out that private schools spend more money per student, while ignoring that they have much greater leeway when it comes to staffing and promotions.

As well as excluding any students they don't want.


Alternative schools, or at least separate programs for kids to the left of the bell curve.  NCLB = NCLE (No Child Let Excel).
 
2013-10-19 04:46:54 PM

Fark It: Fart_Machine: Fark It: Certain people are quick to point out that private schools spend more money per student, while ignoring that they have much greater leeway when it comes to staffing and promotions.

As well as excluding any students they don't want.

Alternative schools, or at least separate programs for kids to the left of the bell curve.  NCLB = NCLE (No Child Let Excel).


Why would alternate schools want these students if it's going to lower their test scores?  Why would I want to teach in one of these schools if my pay is tied to their merit?
 
2013-10-19 04:48:52 PM
It's a fair reading that this KOS author is explicitly linking vouchers/privatization schemes with racism, and implicitly suggesting that racism is still a motivation for people who support those ideas.

That's poisoning the well.  Crying racism/wolf/"think of the children" is not an actual argument; it is a way to avoid arguments.

Before anyone disagrees with that assessment, they should consider if they want to be grouped with the child molesters and rapists who have previously disagreed with me.
 
2013-10-19 04:49:55 PM
*reads article*

Daily Kos has an article outlining the history of the school voucher programs that goes back to the days of segregation and notes it's racially intolerant roots and current gay and science intolerant agenda?

Okay, so a day ending in a Y then?

*reads Fark headline*

Oh, FFS.
 
2013-10-19 04:50:29 PM

olddeegee: Kos spends a lot of time in the "you're not helping" territory.


Hard to read as well, just throwing labels at everything is sloppy and lazy reasoning. Bailed after a few paragraphs.

There are lots of reasons not to back school privatization, chiefly that it has never been shown to do as well as public schools and they have a nasty habit of not allowing in special needs and special ed students to boost their overall disappointing performance but still taking in taxpayer money .

If you only did 4 things: Double teacher pay, let them and their districts set their own curriculum and eliminate tenure and pensions, end high stakes tests, give career counseling to students from grade 8+ based on aptitudes and follow up with those same students over their educational career to keep them on path and lastly make school districts by law no larger then 4 high schools and their feeder schools so they could be managed effectively you would see a jump in student performance.
 
2013-10-19 04:50:46 PM

weltallica: Asians think white skin is superior?  WHAT NONSENSE IS THI-

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Have you ever got a good look at an Asian's skin? It's not actually yellow, you know.
 
2013-10-19 04:52:18 PM

weltallica: Asians think white skin is superior?  WHAT NONSENSE IS THI-

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A friend of mine explained it.  Asian women who worked in the fields would get very brown (no duh, they've got a good deal of melatonin in their skin), and who wanted to marry a dirt farmer?  If you were able to stay out of the sun that meant your family had enough money to not need you in the field.  So lighter skin tone on the women meant more money, so the family was more desirable to marry into.
 
2013-10-19 04:53:27 PM

Fart_Machine: Fark It: Fart_Machine: Fark It: Certain people are quick to point out that private schools spend more money per student, while ignoring that they have much greater leeway when it comes to staffing and promotions.

As well as excluding any students they don't want.

Alternative schools, or at least separate programs for kids to the left of the bell curve.  NCLB = NCLE (No Child Let Excel).

Why would alternate schools want these students if it's going to lower their test scores?  Why would I want to teach in one of these schools if my pay is tied to their merit?


Well, if you are in special education and dealing with the intellectually challenged, there should obviously be alternative means of measuring performance (you know, being alternative schools).  And who said anything about tying pay to test scores, or only test scores?

/though there's certainly more of an argument to be made that compensation should be tied to test scores rather than seniority, as test scores are at least tangentially related to job performance
 
2013-10-19 04:54:45 PM
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Does not approve.
 
2013-10-19 04:55:11 PM
i remember she had nice boobs in Waiting for Superman;
yes, I am shallow
 
2013-10-19 04:55:50 PM

Fark It: dr_blasto: The best solution was to continue to invest in school systems and bring them all up to similar financing levels with similarly-experienced teachers

I agree, but that would also mean promoting and doling out raises to teachers based on merit, and not on seniority.  Certain people are quick to point out that private schools spend more money per student, while ignoring that they have much greater leeway when it comes to staffing and promotions.  There's a reason that vouchers are popular, even among minorities and the economically disadvantaged.  Too many public schools are terrible and have terrible teachers.

Axe NCLB, and stop pretending that everybody should go to a four-year college.  And nobody below the college-level should have tenure, if you're abusive to students or show up to work drunk it shouldn't take legal action to fire you and take your pension away.


Public schools tend to pay better and have better benefits programs.  Most teachers given the option would opt to teach in a public school vs a private school, though some opt for private if they want to teach religion as science or they don't want to deal with the problem kids that public schools are forced to take.

There are some bad teachers out there, in both public and private schools, but the overall quality of teachers in private is no better than the overall quality in public.  The teachers aren't the big issue here.

Private and charter schools have very different student populations than public schools.  Anyone paying for private school is economically well off, which is a great predictor for academic success, and even those going on vouchers or who are choiced into publicly funded charter schools have the benefit of parents who care and who took the trouble to get them into that school, another great indicator for academic success.

When you take the richer students and students with more involved parents and concentrate them into the same school, of course the overall atmosphere and performance are going to be better than a school left with the poorer students and those whose parents don't give a damn.

Tenure is important, and I wouldn't do away with it.  It helps protect teachers when they plan lessons that some parents might complain about, like we see in the constant stories about parents complaining about books, plays, science-content, etc.  At the same time, there does need to be some sanity in the system, and I agree, a teacher who's failing to meet performance guidelines, who has inappropriate contact with students, who shows up chronically late, drunk, etc, shouldn't be protected because of tenure.
 
2013-10-19 04:56:07 PM
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2013-10-19 04:56:13 PM

Fark It: Well, if you are in special education and dealing with the intellectually challenged, there should obviously be alternative means of measuring performance (you know, being alternative schools). And who said anything about tying pay to test scores, or only test scores?


What exactly would you use?  Test scores are precisely the way we currently measure public school performance.
 
2013-10-19 04:57:14 PM

Captain Dan: It's a fair reading that this KOS author is explicitly linking vouchers/privatization schemes with racism, and implicitly suggesting that racism is still a motivation for people who support those ideas.

That's poisoning the well.  Crying racism/wolf/"think of the children" is not an actual argument; it is a way to avoid arguments.

Before anyone disagrees with that assessment, they should consider if they want to be grouped with the child molesters and rapists who have previously disagreed with me.


The Justice Department is basically arguing racism in Louisiana trying to knock down the voucher program even though 80% of the vouchers issued by the state go to African-American students. Sometimes the usual talking points don't have anything to do with reality.
 
2013-10-19 05:04:29 PM

cman: Nazi's were the first major Anti-smokers. They were also the first pro-Flouride. And, they really loved building highways.

Just because racists once did it doesn't mean that it is automatically evil when someone else picks it up


Volkswagon drivers are racist!
 
2013-10-19 05:12:30 PM

TuteTibiImperes: Tenure is important, and I wouldn't do away with it. It helps protect teachers when they plan lessons that some parents might complain about, like we see in the constant stories about parents complaining about books, plays, science-content, etc.


We don't need tenure to protect teachers for doing their jobs, just school boards that aren't cowardly or beholden to the loud and stupid.  That same system that you claim helps protect teachers who plan controversial lessons or plays helps protects teachers who have no business in the classroom.

Fart_Machine: What exactly would you use? Test scores are precisely the way we currently measure public school performance.


I think that part of a teacher's compensation should be determined by how well their students do in their area of teaching, relative to their peers.  If you have two Algebra classrooms of kids with similar economic backgrounds, using the same book with the same curriculum, and one class scores significantly less than the other, that's something worth looking into and basing compensation off of.  But this means we need to do a better job at placing students, because if you have just one or two disruptive or unwilling students in a class of 25 people, it's going to throw everybody off.

Part of a teacher's compensation should also be determined by impartial performance reviews, how effectively they use classroom time, etc.

I agree with what some other people are arguing, we should double salaries and do away with tenure and pensions, and have a results-based, not politics-based system of school administration.  Tests should only be part of the picture.  You can be a good test-taker but a terrible studier and lazy worker.  Likewise, you can be bad at tests but be a very hard worker.
 
2013-10-19 05:15:24 PM
http://www.stockholdersfirst.org

Great satire site of StudentsFirst.
 
2013-10-19 05:17:21 PM

TuteTibiImperes: Public schools tend to pay better and have better benefits programs. Most teachers given the option would opt to teach in a public school vs a private school, though some opt for private if they want to teach religion as science or they don't want to deal with the problem kids that public schools are forced to take.


Unless a private school is set-up especially as a "last-resort" for problem students, private schools don't have to deal with them. Some will kick out students for just being unmotivated.

Private school teachers are generally happier because they can spend most of their time just teaching because the students want to be there (or are good at pretending so). I've heard there is a large burn-out rate of teachers who switch from private to public in order to make more money.
 
2013-10-19 05:20:49 PM
Headline: "Michelle Rhee's School Privatization Schemes Were Hatched By Racist 1950s Southern Segregationists  "

Boo, subby. KOS was only trying to ASSOCIATE her with racists, they're not accusing her of racism in any form. It's like when TPers call the president Barack Hussein Obama, they're not calling the president a muslim or anything, they're just trying to make people think about Saddam Hussein whenever Obama is mentioned.
 
2013-10-19 05:22:36 PM

Fark It: TuteTibiImperes: Tenure is important, and I wouldn't do away with it. It helps protect teachers when they plan lessons that some parents might complain about, like we see in the constant stories about parents complaining about books, plays, science-content, etc.

We don't need tenure to protect teachers for doing their jobs, just school boards that aren't cowardly or beholden to the loud and stupid.  That same system that you claim helps protect teachers who plan controversial lessons or plays helps protects teachers who have no business in the classroom.


I agree the school board system needs fixing.  Instead of having members elected by the general public it should be made up of current or retired professional educators elected by the teachers and administrators in the district.  That would do away with a lot of the pearl clutching types.

I still disagree with you on tenure.  Yes, it can be used to protect bad teachers, but the ratio of bad teachers to good teachers is pretty small.  It's a worthwhile system to protect those who are doing their job well from the whims of administrators who may have a personal grudge or insane parents.

Really, most jobs should have more security.  One of the big problems with the fall of unions has been that it's far too easy for people in many private sector jobs to be fired.  There needs to be a fight to repeal 'right to work' laws and allow unions to grow stronger in the private sector to protect worker's rights.
 
2013-10-19 05:23:55 PM

topcon: Lionel Mandrake: Not even close, subby.

This just in:  This place is full of troll headlines.  It is lame, just like this one.  No one seems to mind when it's in favor of their side, though.


I remember when FARK greenlit headlines that were both funny and accurate...

Now, the lamer and more inaccurate, the better, apparently.

Maybe the pendulum will swing back soon
 
2013-10-19 05:28:17 PM

Lionel Mandrake: topcon: Lionel Mandrake: Not even close, subby.

This just in:  This place is full of troll headlines.  It is lame, just like this one.  No one seems to mind when it's in favor of their side, though.

I remember when FARK greenlit headlines that were both funny and accurate...

Now, the lamer and more inaccurate, the better, apparently.

Maybe the pendulum will swing back soon


I don't remember a time when Fark headlines were accurate, newb.
 
2013-10-19 05:42:19 PM

cman: Lionel Mandrake: topcon: Lionel Mandrake: Not even close, subby.

This just in:  This place is full of troll headlines.  It is lame, just like this one.  No one seems to mind when it's in favor of their side, though.

I remember when FARK greenlit headlines that were both funny and accurate...

Now, the lamer and more inaccurate, the better, apparently.

Maybe the pendulum will swing back soon

I don't remember a time when Fark headlines were accurate, newb.


Fair enough...how about "not deliberately misleading"
 
2013-10-19 05:43:01 PM

cman: Nazi's were the first major Anti-smokers. They were also the first pro-Flouride. And, they really loved building highways.

Just because racists once did it doesn't mean that it is automatically evil when someone else picks it up


The Reich didn't build their highway system as a gift to the People. It's primary purpose was to ship tanks and other military hardware fast through Germany from one side to the other.
 
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