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2013-10-19 03:16:22 PM
my hard bound version came in the mail yesterday
amazing
just amazing
 
2013-10-19 03:44:12 PM
I love Lost Girls.  It's brilliantly written, beautifully drawn... sure, it's sexual in nature, but not porny.
 
2013-10-19 04:23:26 PM

Koalaesq: I love Lost Girls.  It's brilliantly written, beautifully drawn... sure, it's sexual in nature, but not porny.


Yeah, but you just cannot get some people to accept that a work of art can deal candidly with sexuality and not be porn.  I mean, looking at this book's page on Amazon, most of the one-star comments are basically someone saying "ZOMG THIS IS SMUT".
 
2013-10-19 05:14:56 PM
That's some slowpoke reaction.  I have one of the original first run copies from 2008.  It's gorgeous, deep stuff.
 
2013-10-19 05:19:19 PM
You used to be cool, New Zealand.
 
2013-10-19 05:21:32 PM

Koalaesq: I love Lost Girls.  It's brilliantly written, beautifully drawn... sure, it's sexual in nature, but not porny.


In fairness to the censors, obscene doesn't necessarily mean porn, they could be blocking it because it's more degradation porn than "porn porn".

Albeit, not really that much more rapey than everything else Alan Moore's ever been given creative control of (dude loves him some rape) but maybe the context of fairy tales pushes it over the edge for 'em since that's usually considered children's literature.

//Given all the ad copy uses the word "erotic" at least once per sentence and Moore has explicitly called it pornography at least once according to Wiki, you may be wrong about it being "porny" as well, it seems to have been written and marketed with that intent to some degree.
 
2013-10-19 05:26:09 PM
History books chock-a-block with photos of war crimes and the Holocaust were left alone, I trust.

You can trust a kid fine with the depths of inhuman savagery, but not with an unclothed human form, or God forbid, the implication of sexual arousal.

/seriously, how screwed are we as a species that the second one is the one deemed to damaging to young minds
 
2013-10-19 05:27:43 PM
A related story will be when Hollywood tries to option Lost Girls for a movie and Alan Moore throws a hissy fit. In response some movie studio films a movie somewhat resembling the Lost Girls idea.
 
2013-10-19 05:28:34 PM
New Zealand has a collection for obscenity? AWESOME
 
2013-10-19 05:31:56 PM
Free marketing is the best kind.


skinink: A related story will be when Hollywood tries to option Lost Girls for a movie and Alan Moore throws a hissy fit. In response some movie studio films a movie somewhat resembling the Lost Girls idea.


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2013-10-19 05:33:06 PM
As much as I know that Neil Gaiman is an attention-whoring hack, I know Alan Moore is the exact opposite. A true talent!
 
2013-10-19 05:43:17 PM

TV's Vinnie: As much as I know that Neil Gaiman is an attention-whoring hack, I know Alan Moore is the exact opposite. A true talent!


I think you got that backwards.
 
2013-10-19 05:43:32 PM

TV's Vinnie: As much as I know that Neil Gaiman is an attention-whoring hack, I know Alan Moore is the exact opposite. A true talent!


Not sure if you're being sarcastic or not, but as crazy as the farker is, you have to give Moore credit for being the guy that wrote a lot of the stories that define the current conception of a lot of mainstream characters, even if you ignore the stuff he outright created like Hellblazer.

For all that he's wasted a lot of time running around cleaning up after Liefeld and so on, and for all you should automatically ignore anything he ever says in public, the guy does have some chops.
 
2013-10-19 05:45:26 PM

Jim_Callahan: Koalaesq: I love Lost Girls.  It's brilliantly written, beautifully drawn... sure, it's sexual in nature, but not porny.

In fairness to the censors, obscene doesn't necessarily mean porn, they could be blocking it because it's more degradation porn than "porn porn".

Albeit, not really that much more rapey than everything else Alan Moore's ever been given creative control of (dude loves him some rape) but maybe the context of fairy tales pushes it over the edge for 'em since that's usually considered children's literature.

//Given all the ad copy uses the word "erotic" at least once per sentence and Moore has explicitly called it pornography at least once according to Wiki, you may be wrong about it being "porny" as well, it seems to have been written and marketed with that intent to some degree.


The way Moore's dealt with the criticism of Lost Girls has been very interesting. Rather than doing the whole "This is not porn, this is art!" thing, he's been saying in effect, "OK, so it's porn. So what?"

I mean, I don't think it's porn, because while it's about sex, it's not just about sex in the way porn is. Porn doesn't really consider anything outside the sex you are seeing, and Lost Girls is a full examination of sexuality. But I like Moore's thinking here. Too often, someone who writes serious "erotica" still seems to be arguing that "porn" is bad. And I think that an acceptance of porn really frees us in general to consider sexuality in art.
 
2013-10-19 05:45:46 PM

fusillade762: Free marketing is the best kind.


skinink: A related story will be when Hollywood tries to option Lost Girls for a movie and Alan Moore throws a hissy fit. In response some movie studio films a movie somewhat resembling the Lost Girls idea.


img.pandawhale.com
 
2013-10-19 05:48:59 PM

skinink: A related story will be when Hollywood tries to option Lost Girls for a movie and Alan Moore throws

says he doesn't really see the point of bowdlerised screen interpretations of good comics and, as he owns the rights to Lost Girls, Hollywood can go whistle. Then all the usual idiots will claim he's having a hissy fit. In response some movie studio films a movie somewhat resembling the Lost Girls idea which will be as good as From Hell, League of Extraordinary Gentleman and V for Vendetta.
 
2013-10-19 06:01:28 PM
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2013-10-19 06:04:42 PM

chapman: fusillade762: Free marketing is the best kind.


skinink: A related story will be when Hollywood tries to option Lost Girls for a movie and Alan Moore throws a hissy fit. In response some movie studio films a movie somewhat resembling the Lost Girls idea.

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Who
Is
That
Girl?

Jeeeeeiiiizzz. In. My. Pants.
 
2013-10-19 06:08:56 PM
Alan Moore graphic novel that depicts classic fairytale heroines' sexual encounters makes history


Italo Calvino would beg to differ.  Seriously, when you've turned Sleeping Beauty into a date rape tale that would make the Steubenville football team think it was a little over the top, everybody else is just a johnny come lately (so to speak).
 
2013-10-19 06:19:09 PM
Here's Moore's fascinating essay on pornography, if anyone's interested:http://www.chrismclaren.com /blog/2007/01/14/bog-venus-vs-na zi-cock-ring/
 
2013-10-19 06:23:38 PM
Can we pretty much just admit that Moore's no longer anything other than a pervy fanfic writer at this point?

/Watchmen is still classic
 
2013-10-19 06:27:40 PM

rocky_howard: chapman: fusillade762: Free marketing is the best kind.


skinink: A related story will be when Hollywood tries to option Lost Girls for a movie and Alan Moore throws a hissy fit. In response some movie studio films a movie somewhat resembling the Lost Girls idea.

[img.pandawhale.com image 245x230]

Who
Is
That
Girl?

Jeeeeeiiiizzz. In. My. Pants.


The one in the middle is Anna Silk
 
2013-10-19 06:31:12 PM

pueblonative: Alan Moore graphic novel that depicts classic fairytale heroines' sexual encounters makes history


Italo Calvino would beg to differ.  Seriously, when you've turned Sleeping Beauty into a date rape tale that would make the Steubenville football team think it was a little over the top, everybody else is just a johnny come lately (so to speak).


Sleeping Beauty was a date rape tale. In the original fable, the prince doesn't wake her up with a kiss, her farks her. And even then she doesn't wake. Instead she gets pregnant, gives birth to twins, and one of the babies sucks the splinter from her finger trying to suckle it.
 
2013-10-19 06:32:19 PM

rocky_howard: chapman: fusillade762: Free marketing is the best kind.


skinink: A related story will be when Hollywood tries to option Lost Girls for a movie and Alan Moore throws a hissy fit. In response some movie studio films a movie somewhat resembling the Lost Girls idea.

[img.pandawhale.com image 245x230]

Who
Is
That
Girl?

Jeeeeeiiiizzz. In. My. Pants.



Ksenia Solo, probably the best thing about Lost Girl on Syfy.

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2013-10-19 06:34:23 PM

optional: Can we pretty much just admit that Moore's no longer anything other than a pervy fanfic writer at this point?

/Watchmen is still classic


Holy shiat.  Read TOP 10.  From the prequel to his modern story arcs.

/Not disagreeing with you at all
//but TOP 10 is simple and complex, and surprisingly moving
 
2013-10-19 06:38:51 PM

Jim_Callahan: TV's Vinnie: As much as I know that Neil Gaiman is an attention-whoring hack, I know Alan Moore is the exact opposite. A true talent!

Not sure if you're being sarcastic or not, but as crazy as the farker is, you have to give Moore credit for being the guy that wrote a lot of the stories that define the current conception of a lot of mainstream characters, even if you ignore the stuff he outright created like Hellblazer.

For all that he's wasted a lot of time running around cleaning up after Liefeld and so on, and for all you should automatically ignore anything he ever says in public, the guy does have some chops.


But let's be fair... he should have disappeared into his beard around 1996 and never looked back.

He wrote great stories, yes. But those days are long gone.

/However, Moore hasn't reached a level of Frank Miller suck yet. Moore is still passable, he just should have went onto new ventures around two decades ago. Miller is batshiat insane, and revels in destroying any fond memories you may have had about his work.
//Plus, whores.

///I like Ennis and Ellis best... they haven't been lured into revisiting their landmark Vertigo works yet, unlike Gaiman.

////However, Gaiman is finally finishing his Miracleman story, so that's good. Crazy old Moore won't even let Marvel use his name in solicitations for the reprints.

//Oh, and Astro City at Vertigo? Vertigo truly is dead. Great book, but not Vertigo in the least.
 
2013-10-19 06:40:58 PM

jake_lex: I mean, I don't think it's porn, because while it's about sex, it's not just about sex in the way porn is. Porn doesn't really consider anything outside the sex you are seeing, and Lost Girls is a full examination of sexuality.


Eh, I think you're mixing up "my preferred type of porn" with porn in general.  Lost Girls was pretty clearly written with titillation in mind, you're just not seeing it because you're not into rape and degradation as Moore is (as I mentioned, it's one of those creepily regular things in his work, I'm not sure I'm entirely comfortable with knowing what crazy beard dude is into but there it is).

Plenty of porn makes sociological or philosophical points along the way.  If you want the anti-Moore perspective, the Foglios wrote a series of smut comics that sort of make the opposite argument of Lost Girls (mainly in that the sexual behavior is overwhelmingly positive and used to improve the characters' lives and relationships).  Yeah, porn  videos tend to be very focused on the titillation part, but in extended writing the insertion of some perspective and some examination of relationships is pretty much inevitable.
 
2013-10-19 06:56:45 PM

DSF6969: rocky_howard: chapman: fusillade762: Free marketing is the best kind.


skinink: A related story will be when Hollywood tries to option Lost Girls for a movie and Alan Moore throws a hissy fit. In response some movie studio films a movie somewhat resembling the Lost Girls idea.

[img.pandawhale.com image 245x230]

Who
Is
That
Girl?

Jeeeeeiiiizzz. In. My. Pants.


Ksenia Solo, probably the best thing about Lost Girl on Syfy.

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[venus.provocateuse.com image 800x746]


She could stand to eat a sammich or two, but damn, those eyes.
She is good in Black Swan too.
 
2013-10-19 07:22:23 PM

DSF6969: rocky_howard: chapman: fusillade762: Free marketing is the best kind.


skinink: A related story will be when Hollywood tries to option Lost Girls for a movie and Alan Moore throws a hissy fit. In response some movie studio films a movie somewhat resembling the Lost Girls idea.

[img.pandawhale.com image 245x230]

Who
Is
That
Girl?

Jeeeeeiiiizzz. In. My. Pants.


Ksenia Solo, probably the best thing about Lost Girl on Syfy.


Thank you very much. Damn. What a knock-out. I'll be gone now, some research to do :)
 
2013-10-19 07:24:09 PM
To be a little fair, the Wendy Darling portion of it does feature underage sex...
 
2013-10-19 07:25:20 PM

TV's Vinnie: As much as I know that Neil Gaiman is an attention-whoring hack, I know Alan Moore is the exact opposite. A true talent!


Well now I am interested, why is Neil Gaiman an "attention-whoring hack"?
 
2013-10-19 08:42:47 PM

FirstNationalBastard: ////However, Gaiman is finally finishing his Miracleman story, so that's good. Crazy old Moore won't even let Marvel use his name in solicitations for the reprints.


I never read any of the Gaiman MMs. Freaking loved the Moore ones. Some dark stuff.

IIRC, there was a kerfuffle at the time over one of the issues that showed fairly graphically what a human giving birth looks like that was banned as "pornographic" back in those simpler days.

Are the Gaiman ones any good?
 
2013-10-19 08:49:05 PM
What a hack. Oh well, when you run out of original ideas, just do something trite and cliche like making "naughty" versions of someone else's characters.
 
2013-10-19 08:58:16 PM

Tyrone Slothrop: pueblonative: Alan Moore graphic novel that depicts classic fairytale heroines' sexual encounters makes history


Italo Calvino would beg to differ.  Seriously, when you've turned Sleeping Beauty into a date rape tale that would make the Steubenville football team think it was a little over the top, everybody else is just a johnny come lately (so to speak).

Sleeping Beauty was a date rape tale. In the original fable, the prince doesn't wake her up with a kiss, her farks her. And even then she doesn't wake. Instead she gets pregnant, gives birth to twins, and one of the babies sucks the splinter from her finger trying to suckle it.


To be fair, that was just one of the original versions.  Since it was an oral folk story, there really isn't one definitive original.  Of course, the vast majority of Disney stories were either very sexual or very violent in their 'original' forms.  The amount of blood in Cinderella or Snow White is pretty amazing.

/he plucked the fruits of her love
 
2013-10-19 09:03:26 PM

Yakk: TV's Vinnie: As much as I know that Neil Gaiman is an attention-whoring hack, I know Alan Moore is the exact opposite. A true talent!

Well now I am interested, why is Neil Gaiman an "attention-whoring hack"?


Some people are a little pissy that Gaiman has a prequel mini to Sandman starting at the end of this month that goes into why he was so easily caught by Burgess.  I don't know why it is (and I'm not saying that's what that particular guy's problem is), but apparently writing anything for your most popular mainstream success for an anniversary event for a shiatpile of money is stupid.

Dream Hunters and Endless Nights were both still solid works.
 
2013-10-19 09:29:01 PM

jake_lex: Koalaesq: I love Lost Girls.  It's brilliantly written, beautifully drawn... sure, it's sexual in nature, but not porny.

Yeah, but you just cannot get some people to accept that a work of art can deal candidly with sexuality and not be porn.  I mean, looking at this book's page on Amazon, most of the one-star comments are basically someone saying "ZOMG THIS IS SMUT".


It's pornier than Druuna.
 
2013-10-19 10:20:59 PM
Jim_Callahan:
Plenty of porn makes sociological or philosophical points along the way.  If you want the anti-Moore perspective, the Foglios wrote a series of smut comics that sort of make the opposite argument of Lost Girls (mainly in that the sexual behavior is overwhelmingly positive and used to improve the characters' lives and relationships).  Yeah, porn  videos tend to be very focused on the titillation part, but in extended writing the insertion of some perspective and some examination of relationships is pretty much inevitable.

I loved XXXenophile. It managed to make the sex look both sexy and fun.
 
2013-10-19 11:03:28 PM
optional: Watchmen is still classic

Overrated. Both the novel and the movie.
 
2013-10-19 11:51:03 PM
Don't you people know that sex is disgusting.. and the public needs to be protected or something ..
 
2013-10-20 12:19:20 AM

John Buck 41: optional: Watchmen is still classic

Overrated. Both the novel and the movie.


Can't speak for the novel, but the movie bored me immensely. What was "ground-breaking" in the 1980's is standard fare these days.
 
2013-10-20 01:33:20 AM

AeAe: Don't you people know that sex is disgusting.. and the public needs to be protected or something ..


I don't think anyone here is defending the obscenity accusation. We're just saying that Moore's kind of creepy and his best years are long behind him. Fark only attacks, never defends.
 
2013-10-20 02:01:29 AM
The only Alan Moore book that lost me. Thought out, don't get me wrong, but I just didn't have any interest. Probably because Alan Moore talking about sex is pretty horrifying. I mean he's frank and realistic about it, but do you really want to read this man's idea of sex?

techcrash.net
 
2013-10-20 03:10:08 AM

Shadowtag: The only Alan Moore book that lost me.


Really? Ususally, people say that about Neonomicon.
 
2013-10-20 07:52:11 AM
Oh how cute, everyone thinks someone re-titillating the G-rated abridged versions of stories that were originally sick as all fark is pushing the boundaries of fiction.
 
2013-10-20 08:23:20 AM
The article is poorly written. It looks like the book was withdrawn from Auckland City Libraries. If they were the only library in New Zealand that held a copy, then New Zealand's National Union Catalogue (factsheet, PDF) administered by the National Library, would have deleted the catalogue record as a matter of course as there were no items for the record to track.

It doesn't look like it was in the NLNZ's collection in the first place.
 
2013-10-20 09:28:08 AM

Uncle Pooky: John Buck 41: optional: Watchmen is still classic

Overrated. Both the novel and the movie.

Can't speak for the novel, but the movie bored me immensely. What was "ground-breaking" in the 1980's is standard fare these days.


Not sure what the 80s reference means. The movie is only 4 years old.
 
2013-10-20 12:21:02 PM

optional: AeAe: Don't you people know that sex is disgusting.. and the public needs to be protected or something ..

I don't think anyone here is defending the obscenity accusation. We're just saying that Moore's kind of creepy and his best years are long behind him. Fark only attacks, never defends.


I apologize for the lack of clarity with my comment.  That was supposed to be for the library's decision to pull Moore's book.

Personally, I'm not very familiar with Moore's oeuvre, but the one's that I do know, I like.

I do, however, feel that censorship is a bad thing.  And particularly so if the censorship is because of sexual content.
 
2013-10-20 05:28:53 PM

dragonchild: Oh how cute, everyone thinks someone re-titillating the G-rated abridged versions of stories that were originally sick as all fark is pushing the boundaries of fiction.


The Oz books, Peter Pan and Lewis Carroll's Alice stories were originally "sick as all fark", really?

Also, do you just naturally combine arrogant superciliousness and complete ignorant, or do you have to work at it?
 
2013-10-20 08:13:00 PM

Fano: jake_lex: Koalaesq: I love Lost Girls.  It's brilliantly written, beautifully drawn... sure, it's sexual in nature, but not porny.

Yeah, but you just cannot get some people to accept that a work of art can deal candidly with sexuality and not be porn.  I mean, looking at this book's page on Amazon, most of the one-star comments are basically someone saying "ZOMG THIS IS SMUT".

It's pornier than Druuna.


Holy crap. Now I HAVE to check this out.
 
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