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(CNN)   The lionfish is the Atlantic's new king of the ocean. Watch how it consumes up to 90% of the native life. How bad is it? The only natural predator is man   (cnn.com) divider line 79
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2013-10-19 11:56:17 AM  
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2013-10-19 11:57:24 AM  
Do they taste good?
 
2013-10-19 12:01:53 PM  

NewportBarGuy: Do they taste good?


I understand they are delicious.
 
2013-10-19 12:03:06 PM  

NewportBarGuy: Do they taste good?


I heard they do. Friends back home spear them whenever they see them while scuba diving.
 
2013-10-19 12:11:58 PM  
Mankind. The world's most fearsome fish.
 
2013-10-19 12:13:19 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: NewportBarGuy: Do they taste good?

I understand they are delicious.


AirForceVet: NewportBarGuy: Do they taste good?

I heard they do. Friends back home spear them whenever they see them while scuba diving.


So, we need more boats, dammit! Catch these f*ckers and fry 'em up. Saute, broil, bbq. Let us feast!
 
2013-10-19 12:14:54 PM  
Or as the ancient cannibals called him: "Long fish."
 
2013-10-19 12:16:10 PM  
Ah, what a palindrome is Man.
 
2013-10-19 12:20:19 PM  
Put them on the menu in some hipster bistro in Brooklyn for $75.00
In 2 years, we'll have fished them into extinction.
 
2013-10-19 12:26:47 PM  
Fish: So like us.
 
2013-10-19 12:32:38 PM  
...or to never have fished at all?
 
2013-10-19 12:53:55 PM  

NewportBarGuy: Do they taste good?


They had a company on shark tank that fishes them saying much the same as the article. Iirc the fishing methods to catch them were rather expensive putting them in the same price bracket as sea bass and some other high end fish. It also wasn't scalable. I want to say they stay low and in the rocks so they have to be spear fished But iI don't remember for sure
 
2013-10-19 01:05:36 PM  
"The lionfish invasion is probably the worst environmental disaster the Atlantic will ever face,"

It's not an environmental disaster. It's  nature. Yes, it sucks that they eat all the pretty colors we charge people to see via SCUBA and other snorkeling activities. But it's just nature doing what nature does.
 
2013-10-19 01:07:43 PM  

SirVagTheTighty: They had a company on shark tank that fishes them saying much the same as the article. Iirc the fishing methods to catch them were rather expensive putting them in the same price bracket as sea bass and some other high end fish. It also wasn't scalable. I want to say they stay low and in the rocks so they have to be spear fished But iI don't remember for sure


If it is as bad as they say, I'd approve of drag-netting them. And, I HATE drag-nets. That is the lowest form of fishing. However, if we need to wipe them out, that is the best method.
 
2013-10-19 01:23:03 PM  

NewportBarGuy: SirVagTheTighty: They had a company on shark tank that fishes them saying much the same as the article. Iirc the fishing methods to catch them were rather expensive putting them in the same price bracket as sea bass and some other high end fish. It also wasn't scalable. I want to say they stay low and in the rocks so they have to be spear fished But iI don't remember for sure

If it is as bad as they say, I'd approve of drag-netting them. And, I HATE drag-nets. That is the lowest form of fishing. However, if we need to wipe them out, that is the best method.


The problem with that is drag nets are pretty destructive to the ecosystem, and the places where the lionfish are most common are also some of the areas most susceptible to that type of damage.  Plus, there's the big problem of bycatch, and again, you're dealing with areas that have a lot of other threatened species.

Plus, lionfish are solitary upon reaching adulthood, only congregating to mate, so any type of big net approach would end up catching mostly other things.

There are a few options - one is that when lionfish are caught when fishing for other things they should be saved on the boat to go to market instead of being thrown back.  If the specialty market becomes enough that it's worth the while of fisherman to bring them in, they'll do it.  There's also work being done to create traps that would specifically target lionfish.  Finally, if it can be marketed well enough to demand high enough a price to make diving and spearing for them economical, there's always that approach.
 
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2013-10-19 01:42:27 PM  
They DO have predators, big groupers will eat them.  Of course, we have eaten most of the groupers.
 
2013-10-19 01:45:57 PM  

NewportBarGuy: SirVagTheTighty: They had a company on shark tank that fishes them saying much the same as the article. Iirc the fishing methods to catch them were rather expensive putting them in the same price bracket as sea bass and some other high end fish. It also wasn't scalable. I want to say they stay low and in the rocks so they have to be spear fished But iI don't remember for sure

If it is as bad as they say, I'd approve of drag-netting them. And, I HATE drag-nets. That is the lowest form of fishing. However, if we need to wipe them out, that is the best method.


Put a federal bounty on each fish.  $1 each.
 
2013-10-19 01:50:42 PM  

NewportBarGuy: Do they taste good?


That's the big question.  If so, how is the solution not obvious here?
 
2013-10-19 02:05:06 PM  
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2013-10-19 02:09:29 PM  
Invasive species, catastrophic effects, yummy. Okay, PETA, what is YOUR solution?

I'll be at my table with lemons and caper butter.
 
2013-10-19 02:11:54 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: NewportBarGuy: SirVagTheTighty: They had a company on shark tank that fishes them saying much the same as the article. Iirc the fishing methods to catch them were rather expensive putting them in the same price bracket as sea bass and some other high end fish. It also wasn't scalable. I want to say they stay low and in the rocks so they have to be spear fished But iI don't remember for sure

If it is as bad as they say, I'd approve of drag-netting them. And, I HATE drag-nets. That is the lowest form of fishing. However, if we need to wipe them out, that is the best method.

Put a federal bounty on each fish.  $1 each.


Or convince Chinese men that they'll make them more virile in bed, boom, they'll be hunted to near extinction in no time.
 
2013-10-19 02:13:19 PM  
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2013-10-19 02:13:42 PM  

jaylectricity: It's not an environmental disaster. It's nature. Yes, it sucks that they eat all the pretty colors we charge people to see via SCUBA and other snorkeling activities.

But it's just nature doing what nature does.

"How did they get there? Ask Florida.
Florida pet owners are blamed for their release into unfamiliar waters. Believe it or not, DNA evidence traces all lionfish in the Atlantic back to only six to eight female lionfish."


I see that nature now means "human stupidity"
 
2013-10-19 02:14:05 PM  
Damn we are in trouble.
We have never been able wipe anything out.
 
2013-10-19 02:20:36 PM  

grokca: Damn we are in trouble.
We have never been able wipe anything out.


Came damn close with the California Condor. The few times I've seen one in the wild I'm overwhelmed with sadness that we almost killed them off and incredibly farking thankful that we're managing to help them come back.
 
2013-10-19 02:22:06 PM  

crotchgrabber: grokca: Damn we are in trouble.
We have never been able wipe anything out.

Came damn close with the California Condor. The few times I've seen one in the wild I'm overwhelmed with sadness that we almost killed them off and incredibly farking thankful that we're managing to help them come back.


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2013-10-19 02:22:44 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: Marcus Aurelius: NewportBarGuy: SirVagTheTighty: They had a company on shark tank that fishes them saying much the same as the article. Iirc the fishing methods to catch them were rather expensive putting them in the same price bracket as sea bass and some other high end fish. It also wasn't scalable. I want to say they stay low and in the rocks so they have to be spear fished But iI don't remember for sure

If it is as bad as they say, I'd approve of drag-netting them. And, I HATE drag-nets. That is the lowest form of fishing. However, if we need to wipe them out, that is the best method.

Put a federal bounty on each fish.  $1 each.

Or convince Chinese men that they'll make them more virile in bed, boom, they'll be hunted to near extinction in no time.


Brilliant!
 
2013-10-19 02:22:46 PM  

jaylectricity: "The lionfish invasion is probably the worst environmental disaster the Atlantic will ever face,"

It's not an environmental disaster. It's  nature. Yes, it sucks that they eat all the pretty colors we charge people to see via SCUBA and other snorkeling activities. But it's just nature doing what nature does.


The mechanisms are natural, the incident is not. It's not exactly nature when external, sentient players (humans) introduced them. And, more to the point, if it is bad for humans (in a relevant time scale) then it is a problem for us. The Earth and life will grow and continue without humans. Maybe with a lull after our extinction, but it will continue. So long as we're here, we'd be wise to rock the boat (spaceship) out of sheer recklessness.

Unless you're part of VHEMT. In which case, proceed.
 
2013-10-19 02:29:22 PM  

jaylectricity: It's not an environmental disaster. It's  nature. Yes, it sucks that they eat all the pretty colors we charge people to see via SCUBA and other snorkeling activities. But it's just nature doing what nature does.


It's not a disaster. It's gravity. Gravity pulls things down. It's just gravity doing what gravity does.
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2013-10-19 02:33:32 PM  
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2013-10-19 02:34:26 PM  

Ego edo infantia cattus: crotchgrabber: grokca: Damn we are in trouble.
We have never been able wipe anything out.

Came damn close with the California Condor. The few times I've seen one in the wild I'm overwhelmed with sadness that we almost killed them off and incredibly farking thankful that we're managing to help them come back.

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In my defense, you can replace the word "joke" with "coffee"
 
2013-10-19 02:40:03 PM  
There are plenty of stories out there about the tastiness of lionfish flesh.  Supposedly, a lot of restaurants in the affected portions of the Caribbean have been trying to cultivate a market for lionfish.

I'd certainly try it out.
 
2013-10-19 02:54:32 PM  

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Came for the TNG reference. Thank you.


/30 comments in?
//You're slipping, Fark
 
2013-10-19 02:58:23 PM  
At last, something with a population we can severely damage and not feel guilty about it!

/Eat up, humans!
//The oceans depend on you!
 
2013-10-19 02:58:47 PM  
There's always at least one in every thread about harm caused by introduced exotic species "It's no big deal, life will go on". It will, but adjusting to the changes can also make life a damn sight more difficult. The changes caused by introduced exotic species are very often bad for the ecosystem in question, and for the humans that depend on that ecosystem. If some idiot imported some Black Mambas, and they managed to get loose and survive and establish an ineradicable population in north America, life would go on. But it would still be a very unfortunate thing to have happen, and it would be especially idiotic considering it did not have to happen, and only happened because some humans have very poor judgement.
 
2013-10-19 03:08:26 PM  
I think the accidental introduction actually had something to do with an aquarium that was destroyed during Hurricane Andrew, IIRC.
 
2013-10-19 03:12:52 PM  
So does this mean they will grow larger and larger with no natural predators and one day be mounted on my wall?
 
2013-10-19 03:16:05 PM  

LoneWolf343: At last, something with a population we can severely damage and not feel guilty about it!

/Eat up, humans!
//The oceans depend on you!


No you're going about it all wrong. People don't want to save the whales. Tell them there's a new market opportunity they can exploit and get rich.

Lionfish are the fruit of the sea. You can barbecue 'em, boil 'em, broil 'em, bake 'em, saute 'em. There's lionfish-kabobs, lionfish creole, lionfish gumbo. Pan fried, deep fried, stir-fried. The opportunities are endless!
 
2013-10-19 03:17:51 PM  
Tilapia anyone?
 
2013-10-19 03:54:46 PM  
Leader O'Cola:

I see that nature now means "human stupidity"

goatleggedfellow:

The mechanisms are natural, the incident is not. It's not exactly nature when external, sentient players (humans) introduced them.

So humans aren't natural anymore?
 
2013-10-19 04:00:14 PM  

Leader O'Cola: jaylectricity: It's not an environmental disaster. It's nature. Yes, it sucks that they eat all the pretty colors we charge people to see via SCUBA and other snorkeling activities. But it's just nature doing what nature does.

"How did they get there? Ask Florida.
Florida pet owners are blamed for their release into unfamiliar waters. Believe it or not, DNA evidence traces all lionfish in the Atlantic back to only six to eight female lionfish."


I see that nature now means "human stupidity"


species move around in a variety of ways and ecosystems are always evolving.
the only logical think to do now is introduce safarifish to hunt the lionfish
 
2013-10-19 04:05:15 PM  

jaylectricity: Leader O'Cola:

I see that nature now means "human stupidity"

goatleggedfellow:

The mechanisms are natural, the incident is not. It's not exactly nature when external, sentient players (humans) introduced them.

So humans aren't natural anymore?


See that's the whole thing.
Whenever humans detect change, they start waving their arms about the sky falling and etc.

12,000 years ago, there was a mile of ice above Albany, NY.
I'll bet when folks first detected the melting, nobody complained and screamed about the world ending.
 
2013-10-19 04:20:58 PM  
Dear Asia,

Lionfish cure cancer, impotence, and increase the size of your penis.  They are a rare delicacy that puts shark fin soup to shame.

Have at it.
 
2013-10-19 04:23:45 PM  
You know, what if some of these "terrible, invasive species" are fated to go to these places? Seriously, MANKIND was a terribly invasive species when it came to the Americas on the land bridge. But you know what? It worked out fine.  Life is a competition.. sometimes other species get the upper hand. Sounds like the lion fish is just a little more successful than the species it preys on..
 
2013-10-19 04:45:47 PM  
We ca release gorillas to kill the lionfish.
 
2013-10-19 04:45:55 PM  

jaylectricity: It's not an environmental disaster. It's  nature. Yes, it sucks that they eat all the pretty colors we charge people to see via SCUBA and other snorkeling activities. But it's just nature doing what nature does.


Nature has a self-adjusting thing with predator and prey. Relocate a fish like that and you short-circuit nature. With no predators and it's prey not recognizing it as a predator you have a double-whammy.

But you're right. Nature will eventually fix the situation. They will simply wipe out every native species of reef fish leaving us with a dead zone and then starve and die off themselves. No biggie, right?
 
2013-10-19 05:03:41 PM  

Somaticasual: You know, what if some of these "terrible, invasive species" are fated to go to these places? Seriously, MANKIND was a terribly invasive species when it came to the Americas on the land bridge. But you know what? It worked out fine.  Life is a competition.. sometimes other species get the upper hand. Sounds like the lion fish is just a little more successful than the species it preys on..


Fine, then I'm selfish. I want the ecosystem to resemble what my species evolved into and more specifically what my more immediate ancestors remember. If that requires human selective maintenance - and in this case wiping out Lionfish in the Atlantic, count me in.

I saw them when I lived in Bahamas and now in Vieques - they are everywhere and no, you cannot use nets to catch them sufficiently, as they hang out on the bottom around coral and structures. Spearing them (they don't move fast), and then CAREFULLY bucketing the catch is probably the most effective hunting and as you can imagine impossibly labor intensive.

I don't think they are going away - at least not through any conventional means. This gives me a sad as they are wrecking the coral-fish community
 
2013-10-19 05:05:18 PM  
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2013-10-19 05:26:31 PM  
From what I looked up, people tried ain sharks to feed on lionfish. Don't seow that'll work in the wild though. Unless we can figure out how to train sharks to do that in the reefs and such.
 
2013-10-19 05:27:24 PM  
My uncle got stung by one a few dozen years ago, said it was one of the worst pains of his life. They had to call Hawaii to find out what his survival odds were.
 
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