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2013-10-19 11:37:13 AM
That's because we all know climate scientists use the topic to gain research funds they use to buy yachts. That's why when the shutdown fuloughed all those NASA scientists we saved eleven billionty dollars.

/got my Tea Party dad to buy into climate change, but for him it's an End Times things now
 
2013-10-19 11:45:51 AM
Humans will give a crap the moment the insurance companies have to pay out for the massive loss of beachfront property.
 
2013-10-19 11:48:14 AM

T-Servo: That's because we all know climate scientists use the topic to gain research funds they use to buy yachts. That's why when the shutdown fuloughed all those NASA scientists we saved eleven billionty dollars.

/got my Tea Party dad to buy into climate change, but for him it's an End Times things now


So did he "buy in" in a "we should try to stop it" way, or a "we should encourage it so Jesus will return faster" way?
 
2013-10-19 11:54:08 AM

Benevolent Misanthrope: T-Servo: That's because we all know climate scientists use the topic to gain research funds they use to buy yachts. That's why when the shutdown fuloughed all those NASA scientists we saved eleven billionty dollars.

/got my Tea Party dad to buy into climate change, but for him it's an End Times things now

So did he "buy in" in a "we should try to stop it" way, or a "we should encourage it so Jesus will return faster" way?


He believes it's happening, but he's not a Rapture sort like Bachmann so much as a resigned, "Glad we don't have grandkids" and stock up on ammo sort of zombie preparedness.
 
2013-10-19 12:21:21 PM
97/100. See, there's dissension even among the scientists. We obviously need more study to be sure. And by "study" I mean tax breaks for oil companies.
 
2013-10-19 12:36:46 PM
What a hit of fresh air may look like

www.geeksofdoom.com
 
2013-10-19 12:39:58 PM

ArkAngel: What a hit of fresh air may look like

[www.geeksofdoom.com image 586x305]


Quicksilver Messenger Service, Fresh Air
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1EacQEhrbBQ
 
2013-10-19 01:43:49 PM

Marcus Aurelius: Humans will give a crap the moment the insurance companies have to pay out for refuse to insure the massive loss of beachfront property.

FTFY
 
2013-10-19 02:01:44 PM
Of course humans are the main reason for global warming.

Consider the changes in society, technology and population growth since the early 1900's. The battle against pollution is forever ongoing because as soon as headway is made in one area, people create a mess in another.

One nation will work hard to cut down on environmentally harmful practices while another just doesn't give a damn and will create massive environmental damage simply through the efforts of trying to live. (There's a river in an Asian nation so seriously polluted with floating garbage that it looks like you can walk across the top. Plus the water under all of the disposable stuff is dangerously loaded with bacteria from major sewage contents since the people don't have much in the way of working sewers to waste treatment plants.)

There are now millions of cars and trucks on roads and each one produces heat and various amounts of pollution. There are more aircraft in the skies than ever dreamed of, and each one belches out tons of greenhouse gasses.

Since the 1950's, the global ,population has more than doubled, which means two and three times the amount of land needed for housing and infrastructure has been cleared and paved over.

We have hundreds of ships a day now sailing the oceans, leaving behind everything from oil trails to sewage just from operating normally. Not to mention that since the first atomic bomb, we're all twice as radioactive than ever before. We level mountains for coal, gold and mother minerals, which can change centuries old weather patterns.

Mine processing plants leave behind millions of tons of often toxic slag. Think of the radiant heat alone from just one steel mill. Oil spills are becoming more common. Forests are leveled to get at the minerals underneath. (Watch GoldRush.)

Cities have become huge, creating hundreds of square miles of heat reflecting surfaces, generating millions of tons of garbage and hundreds of thousands of tons a day of gray water washing through street sewers into the nearest rivers.

The atmospheric pollution is so bad in a couple of Chinese cities that you nearly need a gas mask to live there. Then you have various wars going on all the time that detonate various destructive weapons not designed to be ecologically friendly. Huge chunks of wild lands that purify the air are being destroyed.

Every building that uses power gives off heat. The bigger the building, the more the amount. Plus they bounce off radiant solar heat.

Developments eat up millions of acres of wild lands each year to slam in over priced homes, which need streets and these add more into reflected heat, change the ability of the ground to absorb water and can even affect weather patterns in the air above.

Even people who care and are doing something about it face a loosing battle. With 7 billion people on the globe today, their actions of simply living are going to contribute to global warming.

Plus, creating and implementing technologies to stop or slow down global warming are expensive. Many a business will not be willing to expend profits, demanded by shareholders, to stop or change any practices of theirs that pollute or shed waste heat.

Before the invention of electricity, cities and towns changed their local climates by burning coal -- dug from mines, wood -- from leveling forests, oil lamps which used assorted forms of oil and gave off a lot of heat, candles and clearing acres of land not used for farming.

They damned streams, changed the course of rivers, drained natural swamps, dug wells into the ground water, threw trash and sewage into the rivers and created roads. Pine trees were cut down to make turpentine and the sap often used to make wood more flammable for steam engines.

Acres of land were cleared to gain access to choice stone, which was then quarried for building material.

The Great Depression was kicked off by a historically massive dust storm which ruined crops all through the nations bread basket. The dust storm was created because an inventor designed a new plow, which made turning the crop lands much easier and quicker. Farmers plowed up more land than they planted, exposing the fragile subsoil. A slight drought hit, drying things out and the winds took it from there, blowing millions of tons of exposed soil into the air.

During the Great Plague of Europe, when over 50% of the population died, the local environments actually started recovering because there were so many less people about to ruin them.

WW1 and 2 killed of millions of folks, but also released huge amounts of pollution and environmental destruction. War is NOT environmentally friendly.

Plus, the majority of the average population can't really do much about things. It requires a lot more money than they have and often a lot more time.
 
2013-10-19 02:15:29 PM
I know that global warming deniers are ignoring the scientific community's consensus out of either their own economic interests or partisanship. But as long as there are countries like China and India who don't give a fark, what's the point anyway?
 
2013-10-19 02:33:48 PM
Global what now?

/huh?
 
2013-10-19 02:37:06 PM

Benevolent Misanthrope: T-Servo: That's because we all know climate scientists use the topic to gain research funds they use to buy yachts. That's why when the shutdown fuloughed all those NASA scientists we saved eleven billionty dollars.

/got my Tea Party dad to buy into climate change, but for him it's an End Times things now

So did he "buy in" in a "we should try to stop it" way, or a "we should encourage it so Jesus will return faster" way?


Standing out in the yard, burning a giant pile of coal and screaming at the sky "I LOVE YOU JESUS COME BAAAAAACK!"
 
2013-10-19 02:40:10 PM
Appears Jacques Cousteau was correct back in 1972.
 
2013-10-19 02:41:38 PM

Mugato: I know that global warming deniers are ignoring the scientific community's consensus out of either their own economic interests or partisanship. But as long as there are countries like China and India who don't give a fark, what's the point anyway?


That about covers it.
 
2013-10-19 02:42:29 PM

Rik01: Of course humans are the main reason for global warming.

Consider the changes in society, technology and population growth since the early 1900's. The battle against pollution is forever ongoing because as soon as headway is made in one area, people create a mess in another.

One nation will work hard to cut down on environmentally harmful practices while another just doesn't give a damn and will create massive environmental damage simply through the efforts of trying to live. (There's a river in an Asian nation so seriously polluted with floating garbage that it looks like you can walk across the top. Plus the water under all of the disposable stuff is dangerously loaded with bacteria from major sewage contents since the people don't have much in the way of working sewers to waste treatment plants.)

There are now millions of cars and trucks on roads and each one produces heat and various amounts of pollution. There are more aircraft in the skies than ever dreamed of, and each one belches out tons of greenhouse gasses.

Since the 1950's, the global ,population has more than doubled, which means two and three times the amount of land needed for housing and infrastructure has been cleared and paved over.

We have hundreds of ships a day now sailing the oceans, leaving behind everything from oil trails to sewage just from operating normally. Not to mention that since the first atomic bomb, we're all twice as radioactive than ever before. We level mountains for coal, gold and mother minerals, which can change centuries old weather patterns.

Mine processing plants leave behind millions of tons of often toxic slag. Think of the radiant heat alone from just one steel mill. Oil spills are becoming more common. Forests are leveled to get at the minerals underneath. (Watch GoldRush.)

Cities have become huge, creating hundreds of square miles of heat reflecting surfaces, generating millions of tons of garbage and hundreds of thousands of tons a day of gray water washing th ...


You spelled 'other' wrong.  You spelled it 'mother'.
 
2013-10-19 02:45:09 PM
Turn up the heat!
 
2013-10-19 02:46:12 PM
Oh great, the old "Global Warming" farce again. And the "97%" figure again from Doran (75 out of 77 self-declared 'climatologists' while ignoring the other 3000 responses to the survey to arrive at 97%.).  Of course, all the surveys performed in 2013 show under 50% of scientists supporting AGW - which is a 'political' movement, not a scientific reality.  Of course we have this gem of a headline today...

Feds Will Spend $18M to Develop 'Reliable' Climate Change Predictions
 
2013-10-19 02:46:36 PM
The problem is, it's such a huge issue, everyone gets caught up in "are we responsible? How do we stop it? How CAN we stop it?" debates--even scientists--and nobody as far as I know is saying "climate change is happening, it's here, what can we do to cope with it?"

They found yellow fever mosquitoes in California recently, so it's a little late in the day to be pretending there is no climate change. We need to begin discussing how to manage the change and what it will mean for people. Not arguing whether it exists.
 
2013-10-19 02:46:43 PM
Deniers, it's simple.

Disprove that the vibrational modes of CO2  are IR-active
 
2013-10-19 02:46:56 PM
So why isn't it that we are just coming out of an ice age and that all this "human factor" is not relevant?
 
2013-10-19 02:47:05 PM

Rik01: Of course humans are the main reason for global warming.

Consider the changes in society, technology and population growth since the early 1900's. The battle against pollution is forever ongoing because as soon as headway is made in one area, people create a mess in another.

One nation will work hard to cut down on environmentally harmful practices while another just doesn't give a damn and will create massive environmental damage simply through the efforts of trying to live. (There's a river in an Asian nation so seriously polluted with floating garbage that it looks like you can walk across the top. Plus the water under all of the disposable stuff is dangerously loaded with bacteria from major sewage contents since the people don't have much in the way of working sewers to waste treatment plants.)

There are now millions of cars and trucks on roads and each one produces heat and various amounts of pollution. There are more aircraft in the skies than ever dreamed of, and each one belches out tons of greenhouse gasses.

Since the 1950's, the global ,population has more than doubled, which means two and three times the amount of land needed for housing and infrastructure has been cleared and paved over.

We have hundreds of ships a day now sailing the oceans, leaving behind everything from oil trails to sewage just from operating normally. Not to mention that since the first atomic bomb, we're all twice as radioactive than ever before. We level mountains for coal, gold and mother minerals, which can change centuries old weather patterns.

Mine processing plants leave behind millions of tons of often toxic slag. Think of the radiant heat alone from just one steel mill. Oil spills are becoming more common. Forests are leveled to get at the minerals underneath. (Watch GoldRush.)

Cities have become huge, creating hundreds of square miles of heat reflecting surfaces, generating millions of tons of garbage and hundreds of thousands of tons a day of gray water washing th ...


You have appeared to have invested a lot of thought into this. Seriously. If you could change anything, one important thing, what would it be?
 
2013-10-19 02:48:18 PM
+1 subby for QMS ref.

/and happy trails to you!
 
2013-10-19 02:48:29 PM
It's more of a combination of the people they're trying to convince: either they're in the pocket of Big Oil or their followers (see: Watts, Monckton, etc), or are virulently anti-science in general because Jesus (which is why you'll see a lot of YEC's be anti-GWers as well.)
 
2013-10-19 02:49:33 PM
An article discussing how people agree or disagree on climate change has experts talking about how they agree or disagree with the findings on how people agree or disagree with climate change. My poor head.

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2013-10-19 02:50:40 PM
I thought Lewandowsky's studies on the 97% consensus and the fake Moon landing believing skeptics were retracted because of data fabrication. It's ridiculous that he still... Oh wait, it's climate "science." Carry on.
 
2013-10-19 02:51:03 PM

gilgigamesh: Marcus Aurelius: Humans will give a crap the moment the insurance companies have to pay out for refuse to insure the massive loss of beachfront property.
FTFY


I think they have already started boosting rates?

/When the Army and Navy are planning for it, it's real.
//the Navy probably hires more oceangraphers than anybody.
 
2013-10-19 02:51:18 PM
Guess it didnt take long to get to the blame the developing countries card. At least China and India are actually part of Kyoto Protocol and pollute less per capita, and China has invested more in green energy than the US.
 
2013-10-19 02:51:42 PM
I just had my car $mogged checked by the state, it passed, so this peon has done his part. Now if you will excuse me, I have to drive downtown, passing right by a few mega corporations who have bought enough carbon credits and greased enough palms to continue pumping god knows what into the atmosphere, to produce the gas for my car. And while on the road, I will probably be stuck behind a LAUSD bus belching a smokescreen large enough to make a WW2 battleship commander proud.
It's a vicious circle.
 
2013-10-19 02:52:18 PM
www.geeksofdoom.com
 
2013-10-19 02:52:50 PM
The Global Warming thing is all HOT AIR!!!!
 
2013-10-19 02:55:31 PM
I'm just saying, maybe its cheaper to live with it than trying to change mankind's nature.
 
2013-10-19 02:55:45 PM

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TL;DR

 
2013-10-19 02:57:00 PM

Rik01: Of course humans are the main reason for global warming.

Consider the changes in society, techn.....


I bet you're a lot of fun at parties.

/tl;dr
 
2013-10-19 02:57:04 PM

Rik01: WW1 and 2 killed of millions of folks, but also released huge amounts of pollution and environmental destruction. War is NOT environmentally friendly.

Plus, the majority of the average population can't really do much about things. It requires a lot more money than they have and often a lot more time.


Weapons-grade derp in this thread.
 
2013-10-19 02:57:57 PM

Marcus Aurelius: Humans will give a crap the moment the insurance companies have to pay out for the massive loss of beachfront property.


Insurance companies don't have to pay out for anything they don't feel like paying out for. It's in the fine print of the contract.
 
2013-10-19 02:58:15 PM

gilgigamesh: Marcus Aurelius: Humans will give a crap the moment the insurance companies have to pay out for refuse to insure the massive loss of beachfront property.
FTFY


They already have twice and the government covered their loses and let them rebuild in the exact same spot.
 
2013-10-19 02:59:32 PM
Extreme climate kills millions, eventually the earth heals itself and stabilizes again.
We've become an overpopulated rats nest. Nature will find a way.
 
2013-10-19 03:00:36 PM

traylor: I thought Lewandowsky's studies on the 97% consensus and the fake Moon landing believing skeptics were retracted because of data fabrication. It's ridiculous that he still... Oh wait, it's climate "science." Carry on.


Please proceed, herpderp.
 
2013-10-19 03:01:21 PM

Vectron: Extreme climate kills millions, eventually the earth heals itself and stabilizes again.
We've become an overpopulated rats nest. Nature will find a way.


Spoken like a guy who thinks he'll be one of the survivors when likely he won't.
 
2013-10-19 03:03:15 PM
I assume these climate experts are 'climatologists', who are indoctrinated into the AGW theory from the beginning, and whose entire career relies on AGW being real.

Everyone else isn't so convinced.
 
2013-10-19 03:06:09 PM
Meh. Who cares? It'll be over in the next 50 to 100 years. We had a good run. Last one out turn off the lights.
 
2013-10-19 03:06:42 PM

Mugato: I know that global warming deniers are ignoring the scientific community's consensus out of either their own economic interests or partisanship. But as long as there are countries like China and India who don't give a fark, what's the point anyway?



If my neighbor's dog poops on my lawn, what's the point of me using the toilet?  There's going to be poop on my lawn one way or another, so I may as well poop there too.

...Or would that be dumb?
 
2013-10-19 03:06:44 PM

ArkAngel: What a hit of fresh air may look like

[www.geeksofdoom.com image 586x305]


Came for this , leaving happy.

/got to change the combination on my luggage.
 
2013-10-19 03:08:20 PM

J. Frank Parnell: I assume these climate experts are 'climatologists', who are indoctrinated into the AGW theory from the beginning, and whose entire career relies on AGW being real.

Everyone else isn't so convinced.


I assume you're trolling; it would be hard to get a job, actually accumulate enough $ to buy a computer and internet service if you are of a low enough IQ to actually think that.
 
2013-10-19 03:09:32 PM

Leader O'Cola: I assume you're trolling; it would be hard to get a job, actually accumulate enough $ to buy a computer and internet service if you are of a low enough IQ to actually think that


And i assume it took you so much brainpower to write this you'll be needing a drool cup for the rest of today.

/this is fun
 
2013-10-19 03:15:15 PM

Delay: If you could change anything, one important thing, what would it be?


Go back in time and kill JJ Abrams before he screwed up Star Trek.
 
2013-10-19 03:16:21 PM
I used to give a damn, but I ran out. Now I only have fuks left, and I only give those to cute ladies.
 
2013-10-19 03:16:56 PM

Leader O'Cola: J. Frank Parnell: I assume these climate experts are 'climatologists', who are indoctrinated into the AGW theory from the beginning, and whose entire career relies on AGW being real.

Everyone else isn't so convinced.

I assume you're trolling; it would be hard to get a job, actually accumulate enough $ to buy a computer and internet service if you are of a low enough IQ to actually think that.


So you're openly admitting that AGW is a money-making careerist scam.
I see.
Thanks for making it clear that the only way to have a science career and get paid is to fall in line with the AGW arm wavers.
 
2013-10-19 03:20:19 PM

HotIgneous Intruder: Leader O'Cola: J. Frank Parnell: I assume these climate experts are 'climatologists', who are indoctrinated into the AGW theory from the beginning, and whose entire career relies on AGW being real.

Everyone else isn't so convinced.

I assume you're trolling; it would be hard to get a job, actually accumulate enough $ to buy a computer and internet service if you are of a low enough IQ to actually think that.

So you're openly admitting that AGW is a money-making careerist scam.
I see.
Thanks for making it clear that the only way to have a science career and get paid is to fall in line with the AGW arm wavers.


He's quite right though. Global warming is a hoax designed to cover up the fact that our sun is changing colour and getting hotter which in turn is causing the earth to expand.

Soon we will mutate into very different creatures, short and blue. We will build our homes in giant toadstools. Technology will be shunned. Everyone will have their place.
 
2013-10-19 03:22:46 PM
As far as the "...risk do you believe global warming poses to human health..." dropping for conservatives as they become more scientifically literate, I think the article misses the point. Smart conservatives (which I would vaguely identify myself as) do believe that we're causing global warming. I think there are just a lot of pragmatists in this group.

I know damn well that every gallon of gas we burn, no matter what method we use, is going to produce roughly double its weight in carbon-dioxide. I'm also certain that humans are going to burn damn near the entire oil reserves before we completely switch to other power sources. Unless there is a revolution in battery technologies and nuclear power, and those revolutions aren't impeded by politics, we are not going to stop using this easy energy.

So we're stuck with dealing with the consequences and adjusting to the climate. And no, I don't think it's an apocalyptic event, and likely will be a driving force behind new technologies, and vast amounts of scientific research. Maybe we'll even be a smarter, wiser species as a result of climate change, but I doubt it.
 
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