If you can read this, either the style sheet didn't load or you have an older browser that doesn't support style sheets. Try clearing your browser cache and refreshing the page.

(The Raw Story)   Tea Party group leader says it's a "very real possibility" the GOP will split in two, apparently unaware that it has already happened in everything but name   (rawstory.com) divider line 144
    More: Obvious, GOP, FreedomWorks, logical possibility, CEO, Matt Kibbe, CSPAN, Dick Armey, Boehner  
•       •       •

2877 clicks; posted to Politics » on 19 Oct 2013 at 9:33 AM (1 year ago)   |  Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook   more»



Voting Results (Smartest)
View Voting Results: Smartest and Funniest

2013-10-19 08:23:21 AM  
13 votes:
The irony of course is the Republicans have gerrymandered themselves into districts where the derp rule unchallenged. This means if there is a party split the moderate Republicans won't be able to get elected because they will need dissatisfied Democrats to win but they've drawn the electoral boundaries to exclude them. This entire mess is a result of the inability to think in the long term which is the biggest problem with American corporate and political culture.
2013-10-19 08:55:32 AM  
11 votes:

Ghastly: The irony of course is the Republicans have gerrymandered themselves into districts where the derp rule unchallenged. This means if there is a party split the moderate Republicans won't be able to get elected because they will need dissatisfied Democrats to win but they've drawn the electoral boundaries to exclude them. This entire mess is a result of the inability to think in the long term which is the biggest problem with American corporate and political culture.


The "success" that Karl Rove and his fellow travelers have had has sucked the marrow right out of the party. The NeoCons' rise, and their lack of vision was an issue, but Rove drove narrative far beyond all else, and the TEA Party AstroTurf nonsense seemed like a good PR stunt. They just never imagined that anyone would take their bullsh*t seriously. And that underestimation of the power of stoopid, that is biting the party right in the ass. Oh, it got some seats, but policy wise, it has taken everything from a captive network, hordes of bloggers, and a LOT magazine and newspaper editors to even attempt to herd these cats.

And we see how well this has worked. Damn the leadership for using this "strategy" and sadly, the country is going reap what that've sown for years to come, because folks forgot what Conservatism was, and just figured rebranding it to "whatever we say it is this week" would have zero consequences...
2013-10-19 07:49:50 AM  
11 votes:
I would love to see the National Republican Party disavow any so-called Tea Party member, and refuse to fund their re-election while steering extra funds towards moderate, pro-business Republicans to run against those TP politicians in their next Primary. Not just US Senators and Representatives, though... run against them on the State and even local level. Run those POS Tea Party anarchists out of office anywhere they are serving, and anywhere they hope to serve.

In Oregon we used to have an ultra-conservative third party called the Constitution Party. It was, for all intents and purposes, the Tea Party, just rebranded and run out on a national scale. In Oregon we voters have put those Constitution Party morans in a box, where they can't harm our government and absolutely can't win an election. The GOP should do the same with the Tea Party.
2013-10-19 08:40:43 AM  
9 votes:

RexTalionis: What is up with that guy's sideburns? Do they recruit the douchiest looking people around or is it just that the douchiest looking people tend to be attracted to the Tea Party?

[www.washingtonpost.com image 480x270]
[a.abcnews.go.com image 640x360]
[www.rawstory.com image 615x345]


It comes from a total lack of critical thinking skills and understanding anything outside of what you want this exact second.

'Hey I think my side burns would look wicked cool like that, and fark anyone who disagrees' =
'I need a 30 round mag, reloading blows, and fark anyone who might die over that shiat' =
'I don't have any pre-existing conditions and have medicare, fark anyone who has gotten sick, they are on their own for healthcare and I won't pay a dime more' =
'WTF donna at the dmv.  Its just a farking jet ski.  No way I have to have a boat license and understand nautical laws, just give me the god damn permit already.  This shiat is why we need to cut 90% of gov!' =
'Who cares if we ruin the environment and make many square miles of land uninhabitable?  Frack the hell out of that land.  I want gas to go down $.03!' =
'Shut the gov down! yay party time!  Down with the oppression!  What the fark do you mean no one is going to be available to clean, provide security for, provide maintenance for, etc national parks and monuments?  This is bullshiat.  god damn libs!' =
'Every agency ever- You cost too much and we think you could do better, so we are going to cut what we give you to work with and ask you to do more with less.  *some point in the future* Yeah your performance since we gutted your funding has gotten a bit worse, we are going to have to cut it some more.  **some point a bit more in the future** since your performance hasn't increased after multiple cuts to funding, we have decided to pay a private company 3x what your budget was to do 1/2 of what you did with no accountability, the other half of what you did we just decided we didn't care if it ever gets done' =
........
2013-10-19 08:14:34 AM  
8 votes:
What is up with that guy's sideburns? Do they recruit the douchiest looking people around or is it just that the douchiest looking people tend to be attracted to the Tea Party?

www.washingtonpost.com
a.abcnews.go.com
www.rawstory.com
2013-10-19 09:22:58 AM  
7 votes:

NickelP: hubiestubert: Ghastly: The irony of course is the Republicans have gerrymandered themselves into districts where the derp rule unchallenged. This means if there is a party split the moderate Republicans won't be able to get elected because they will need dissatisfied Democrats to win but they've drawn the electoral boundaries to exclude them. This entire mess is a result of the inability to think in the long term which is the biggest problem with American corporate and political culture.

The "success" that Karl Rove and his fellow travelers have had has sucked the marrow right out of the party. The NeoCons' rise, and their lack of vision was an issue, but Rove drove narrative far beyond all else, and the TEA Party AstroTurf nonsense seemed like a good PR stunt. They just never imagined that anyone would take their bullsh*t seriously. And that underestimation of the power of stoopid, that is biting the party right in the ass. Oh, it got some seats, but policy wise, it has taken everything from a captive network, hordes of bloggers, and a LOT magazine and newspaper editors to even attempt to herd these cats.

And we see how well this has worked. Damn the leadership for using this "strategy" and sadly, the country is going reap what that've sown for years to come, because folks forgot what Conservatism was, and just figured rebranding it to "whatever we say it is this week" would have zero consequences...

It is interesting.  In history you always hear about how propaganda was used by the italians/nazi's in ww2 (not to mention many before them) to get folks to do things that they generally wouldn't otherwise support.  I wonder how the current events will be viewed.  The r's over played this so hard and seem to be facing the consequences now.  They have pursued the crazies so hard to get voting up that they have made their moderates crazy.  Not to mention you have private organizations tossing gas on the fire to increase profits (fox etc).  As much as everyone loves to hate on fox for being republican shills, i'm not sure that is true.  I think they are just a corporation that puts profits above all else and found their nitch.  It will be real interesting to see how they handle party in fighting, their ability to influence public policy could be shocking and very troubling.  The propaganda wouldn't even have shiat to do with political objectives, just what makes the most $.


Fox sponsored the TEA Party. They are complicit with this mess, and yes, they are making a pretty penny for their services. Much like Palin is making a tidy penny for playing her parroty party tricks, and letting folks buy her books to warehouse.

The Justification Machine has been rolling along since the the first Bush's years. It was necessary, because folks realized that the Reagan years were taking us down a road where we stopped talking about the national debt, but to just what we would have to borrow THIS year.

Fox has thrown their lot in, because there is profit in massaging rubes. But they are enabling the Justification Machine, and it's killing honest journalism. Between Fox News, and the NRO, and countless outlets, to repeat lies and damned lies, and captive think tanks whose job is to manufacture papers and commentary to give some measure of scholastic cover, it is essentially the plan that the Ivory Tower NeoCons have been working toward. And the nation is paying a heavy price for their reality divorced thought experiments.

There's a reason why the NeoCons were an outlier fringe from Republicanism for so long. And damn the party for bringing them into the fold, and damn Reagan for giving them a seat at the table...
2013-10-19 09:38:02 AM  
6 votes:

randomjsa: I have no idea how the far left radicals that have taken over the Democratic party manage to keep their moderates in line but it might be interesting if the far right faction of the Republicans could manage to do the same somehow.


Here's the secret: Centrists run the a Democratic Party.


Shhhhh!
2013-10-19 01:48:47 PM  
5 votes:

parasol: There is a growing number of Tea Party supporters who are adamant that both parties are "part of the problem" - they don't see it (as above) at all.
They are on a mission to unseat moderate/RINOs and, because they KNOW they are right, the math of "a third party generally does nothing but split the votes" never occurs to them.


It's not even that. They know that third parties split the votes. They literally think they are a supermajority though. Talk to any Teabagger about their support and they think 90% of the country is with them, and that the only reason they lost the Senate and the Presidency is because the Democrats are voting 10 times each.

These people do not live in the real world.

There's an Asimov quote that I think perfectly sums up the Tea Party:

"There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that "my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge." - Issac Asimov
2013-10-19 10:34:01 AM  
5 votes:
While the moderate Republicans and the Republican Party will take a serious short term hit since the Tea Party gives the GOP lots of voters; it will be the Tea Party taking the long term hit because all the money is with the national GOP. The Tea Party members who make up the "foot soldiers" are the poorest members of the GOP/Tea Party caucus. It will die the same death as "United We Stand America" after Pat Buchanan usurped the movement and Ross Perot bailed.

It's already happening:

The CEO of the nearly bankrupt tea party PAC FreedomWorks, Matt Kibbe believes that the Republican Party is facing "a real possibility" of a schism within its ranks.

Now that the GOP establishment handlers put in place by the Koch Brothers ( Matt Kibbe, Dick Armey, Jack Kemp, and C. Boyden Gray) were ousted and people like "sideburn boy" replaced them; the revenue sources are drying up.
2013-10-19 04:57:38 PM  
4 votes:
"The extremism of our own age-Tea Party extremism-"contaminates the whole Republican brand," as David Frum has . And he's right. But Tea Party extremism is not, as this implies, a betrayal of the party's belief system. It is, instead, a crystallization, a highly potent concentrate, of the party's belief system. The free-market dogmatism, the tax-cut catechism, the abhorrence of nuance and science and government and fact-these did not bubble up during town-hall meetings in 2010 but flow from the same deep well from which establishment Republicans like Mitch McConnell (Goldwaterites, all) have long been drinking. Frum and other sensible conservatives yearn for a Tea Party exit-maybe even an expulsion-from the G.O.P. But it cannot be expelled, because in this case the parasite is a creation-in some ways a perfection-of the host organism itself. "

From here:

http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/newsdesk/2013/10/the-gops-phan to m-schism.html
2013-10-19 12:21:02 PM  
4 votes:

simplicimus: Mugato: simplicimus: Mugato: Infernalist: t should be noted that the 'original' incarnation of the TP arose out of outrage and fury over the bank bailouts in 2008.

Strange that we didn't hear a peep from them until Obama was elected, even though Bush started the bailouts.

No, I remember some CNBC market floor walker losing his shiat on air and calling for another Tea Party during the Bush bailout.

Not sure if serious.......

I'm talking about the Tea Party coming out with massive protests with racists signs and vague threats about an armed revolution. That shiat didn't happen until Obama was elected and they started attributing to him the ball that Bush got rolling years before. And I won't even bother getting started with Fox News.

Serious, but the CNBC guy wasn't talking about forming a political party, more like a Howard Beale moment on air.



It was Rick Santelli.  He shouted to a bunch of his rich, white, CBOE colleagues "Do you want to pay your neighbors' morgage?" and when his rich, white colleagues all shouted "hell no" he yelled "What we need is a good, old-fashioned tea party."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcvSjKCU_Zo

Rick Santelli, Joe Kernan, and the rest CNBC can EABOS.  They are worthless as a financial news network.  Bloomberg is legit.
2013-10-19 12:02:20 PM  
4 votes:
I don't believe it for a minute. Not just because both the Republicans and the teabaggers know they'll lose, but also because creating something new is against their nature. The Republicans and teabaggers aren't builders, they're dismantlers. They're not makers, their breakers.
2013-10-19 11:27:21 AM  
4 votes:

olddeegee: In the long run, I think it will make the "new" Republican party hard to beat. Get rid of the extremists and they would attract a large amount of conservative leaning Dems. That would leave an extreme left party, an extreme right, and a middle of the road GOP.


Are you seriously trying to say you think modern Democrats are "extreme left?"  Because that is, like, laughable.
2013-10-19 10:14:11 AM  
4 votes:
This split will allow the 'Cons a chance to push all the crazy folks into a marginal party so they can move to the center an act like adults.

Its exactly like what the Green Party does for the Dems...
2013-10-19 10:08:51 AM  
4 votes:
The biggest winner here would be the American public. Let the Tea Party think they are the new face of the Republican party. Let the moderate Republicans that are still  capable of compromise step up without fear of getting stomped in a primary by a Tea Tard and maybe we as a country can move forward instead of regress.

Who the frak am I kidding? I just read what I wrote and I realized just how impossible it is. It sounds reasonable to a reasonable person, but these are not reasonable people. They got a taste of power and they like it by golly, and they are not going give it up easily. Prepare for scorched earth.
2013-10-19 10:06:43 AM  
4 votes:

Infernalist: Peter von Nostrand: I'm still amused these people really think the rise of the TP was grassroots. And here we thought the Romney campaign was full of the most deluded, out of touch people in America

It should be noted that the 'original' incarnation of the TP arose out of outrage and fury over the bank bailouts in 2008.  They were co-opted shortly thereafter by the GOP, but they weren't always the TP that you see now.  Their original outrage was focused on big business and big banks and how they got bailed out while many of them lost their savings and walked away with nothing.


So why isn't there any fury pointed at the guy who signed the original bailout bill? It's like that never happened.
2013-10-19 09:55:27 AM  
4 votes:

randomjsa: I have no idea how the far left radicals that have taken over the Democratic party manage to keep their moderates in line but it might be interesting if the far right faction of the Republicans could manage to do the same somehow.


2/10

Go back to using libby_no_more2. You were much more inspired in those days. Oh wait, that handle got nuked from orbit
2013-10-19 09:40:26 AM  
4 votes:

randomjsa: I have no idea how the far left radicals that have taken over the Democratic party manage to keep their moderates in line but it might be interesting if the far right faction of the Republicans could manage to do the same somehow.


I thought there was no such thing as the "far right" in your world.

img.photobucket.com
2013-10-19 08:53:49 AM  
4 votes:

Ghastly: The irony of course is the Republicans have gerrymandered themselves into districts where the derp rule unchallenged. This means if there is a party split the moderate Republicans won't be able to get elected because they will need dissatisfied Democrats to win but they've drawn the electoral boundaries to exclude them. This entire mess is a result of the inability to think in the long term which is the biggest problem with American corporate and political culture.


If it goes down to d vs r vs tea party at general elections the d's win all but the most screwed up districts out there.  Outside of a few special districts (like boehners) you generally don't gain a ton from having a higher majority in a district.  Its much better to even them out and put your opponent mostly in one.  So if you have 9 districts that are say 55 r vs 45 d, and that r splits in half, or even 4/5 to 1/5, you just created a D district, or at least a toss up one.

I think the r's and t's are smart enough to figure that out, and if not the money backer folks definitely are.  I invision seeing the t's and traditional r's primary each other and trying to control the national party, but neither is splitting as thats death to both of them.  The only possible way I see that happening, is if D's really get big as the T's take over, and the D party starts to move way left as it gains power.  If the leftest D's start going cray cray and pissing folks off, just maybe the central D's and the central R'd get together and tell all the extremist to fark off.  That seems pretty unlikely though and the timing on that is probably more a 30-50 year thing.
2013-10-19 08:14:53 AM  
4 votes:

MmmmBacon: I would love to see the National Republican Party disavow any so-called Tea Party member, and refuse to fund their re-election while steering extra funds towards moderate, pro-business Republicans to run against those TP politicians in their next Primary. Not just US Senators and Representatives, though... run against them on the State and even local level. Run those POS Tea Party anarchists out of office anywhere they are serving, and anywhere they hope to serve.

In Oregon we used to have an ultra-conservative third party called the Constitution Party. It was, for all intents and purposes, the Tea Party, just rebranded and run out on a national scale. In Oregon we voters have put those Constitution Party morans in a box, where they can't harm our government and absolutely can't win an election. The GOP should do the same with the Tea Party.


That's going to be painful in the short-term for the GOP. Hopefully, the party leadership decides to take a long view on the subject, as avoiding short-term losses is how the GOP has gotten to where it is. It may mean losing the House for a couple of Congresses, but what will emerge will be a more stable party with a realistic position on governance.

So far, gaining or maintaining a majority in Congress has been more important than maintaining control over the caucus. As long as the Republican Party throws its weight behind any nut running with an (R) next to his name, there will be long-term damage to the party. It all comes down to the GOP establishment willing to take some short-term losses to put the nuts in their place.
2013-10-19 10:29:47 PM  
3 votes:

Stone Meadow: Peki: Little late in the thread, but read "Origins of Totalitarianism." The only difference at this point between us and Nazi Germany is the charismatic leader--Ted Cruz seems to be the man for the job at this point, but we'll see what happens in January--and the willy-nilly punishments that target innocents and guilty alike, though you could easily point to overreaching police departments and the NSA here. We even have the economic issues.

Yeah, except for the whole controlling the press and rounding up domestic political opponents and disappearing them into barbed-wire camps thingie.


All that happened AFTER 1935.

I've been saying that for the past three years at least, and been dismissed every time--the Tea Party is one charismatic leader and one serious crisis away from becoming the Nazi Party. Now whether they could actually co-opt the US government like the Nazis did is debatable; but they COULD ride a wave of ultranationalism into a position of considerable power, given the grassroots organizing ability that the Internet provides.

People don't like to think it; but America is quite fascist right now--I'd say we're at about Stage Two in Paxton's rankings--and fascism isn't really a system of governance, it's an outgrowth of ultranationalism and uber-patriotism. You can lay the Teahadis right up against the Nazis in a lot of ways: Their obsession with purity of ideology, their nostalgia for a mythical past, their belief in a future that requires their assistance to happen.

Cruz is a little too stupid and disingenuous to be that charismatic leader (like Bachmann is too loopy and Palin is too shrill), and luckily the Internet preserves the pratfalls as well as the high points of their "saviors" careers. But it's not beyond the realm of possibility.
2013-10-19 03:19:38 PM  
3 votes:
FreedomWorks has had to take out a million dollar line of credit to meet its operating expenses

So the Teabaggers raised their own debt ceiling. Farking hypocrites.

Damn Teabaggers.
2013-10-19 12:40:40 PM  
3 votes:

TheWhoppah: This split will allow the 'Cons a chance to push all the crazy folks into a marginal party so they can move to the center an act like adults.

Its exactly like what the Green Party does for the Dems...


Except the Dems haven't been dependent on Green Party voters since 1980.

This split goes deeper than Tea Party/Mainstream Republican.  This split cuts to the heart of the Repub's Southern Strategy.  This split is the logical endgame of the Southern Strategy.

Since Reagan, the Repubs have been courting conservative rural voters.  It has been the backbone of whatever electoral success they have had in the last 30 years.  If they ditch rural conservativism, which is what the Tea Party essentially represents, the Republican Party might not just lose a few elections.  They themselves may get relegated to third-party status.
2013-10-19 11:52:59 AM  
3 votes:

Ghastly: The irony of course is the Republicans have gerrymandered themselves into districts where the derp rule unchallenged. This means if there is a party split the moderate Republicans won't be able to get elected because they will need dissatisfied Democrats to win but they've drawn the electoral boundaries to exclude them. This entire mess is a result of the inability to think in the long term which is the biggest problem with American corporate and political culture.


I disagree.  I think they were thinking in the longest possible terms.  They thought that they had gained (or at least earned) permanent control of the government in 2001, and so they took steps to cement that as firmly as possible.  To them, that meant as much gerrymandering as possible.  (Because trying to win hearts and minds is not so easy when your policies tell many of those hearts and minds to fark off and starve already.)

They were stupid, and it has backfired on them.  But when they did this shiat, they were thinking about how to guarantee a permanently Republican federal government.

And to those who partook in that, and now find themselves being eaten alive by teabagger derp, and make calls for getting the party back under control:  BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA SUCK IT.

Sidenote:  Those are the stupidest single set of stupid sideburns I've ever seen.
2013-10-19 11:44:38 AM  
3 votes:
heavymetal:

Now that the GOP establishment handlers put in place by the Koch Brothers ( Matt Kibbe, Dick Armey, Jack Kemp, and C. Boyden Gray) were ousted and people like "sideburn boy" replaced them; the revenue sources are drying up.

Matt Kibbe is "sideburn boy."
2013-10-19 11:44:37 AM  
3 votes:

randomjsa: I have no idea how the far left radicals that have taken over the Democratic party manage to keep their moderates in line but it might be interesting if the far right faction of the Republicans could manage to do the same somehow.


You live in vastly different world than the real one.  In the world most of us inhabit, the Democratic party is right of center.
2013-10-19 11:32:22 AM  
3 votes:

Infernalist: t should be noted that the 'original' incarnation of the TP arose out of outrage and fury over the bank bailouts in 2008.


Strange that we didn't hear a peep from them until Obama was elected, even though Bush started the bailouts.
2013-10-19 10:07:30 AM  
3 votes:

randomjsa: I have no idea how the far left radicals that have taken over the Democratic party manage to keep their moderates in line but it might be interesting if the far right faction of the Republicans could manage to do the same somehow.


Just another part of the b-b-b-but they're just a mirror image bullshiat.

The far-left hasn't come close to taking over the Democratic Party. Is it possible they could? Yes. But they don't have squat in terms of party power.
2013-10-19 09:08:48 AM  
3 votes:

hubiestubert: Ghastly: The irony of course is the Republicans have gerrymandered themselves into districts where the derp rule unchallenged. This means if there is a party split the moderate Republicans won't be able to get elected because they will need dissatisfied Democrats to win but they've drawn the electoral boundaries to exclude them. This entire mess is a result of the inability to think in the long term which is the biggest problem with American corporate and political culture.

The "success" that Karl Rove and his fellow travelers have had has sucked the marrow right out of the party. The NeoCons' rise, and their lack of vision was an issue, but Rove drove narrative far beyond all else, and the TEA Party AstroTurf nonsense seemed like a good PR stunt. They just never imagined that anyone would take their bullsh*t seriously. And that underestimation of the power of stoopid, that is biting the party right in the ass. Oh, it got some seats, but policy wise, it has taken everything from a captive network, hordes of bloggers, and a LOT magazine and newspaper editors to even attempt to herd these cats.

And we see how well this has worked. Damn the leadership for using this "strategy" and sadly, the country is going reap what that've sown for years to come, because folks forgot what Conservatism was, and just figured rebranding it to "whatever we say it is this week" would have zero consequences...


It is interesting.  In history you always hear about how propaganda was used by the italians/nazi's in ww2 (not to mention many before them) to get folks to do things that they generally wouldn't otherwise support.  I wonder how the current events will be viewed.  The r's over played this so hard and seem to be facing the consequences now.  They have pursued the crazies so hard to get voting up that they have made their moderates crazy.  Not to mention you have private organizations tossing gas on the fire to increase profits (fox etc).  As much as everyone loves to hate on fox for being republican shills, i'm not sure that is true.  I think they are just a corporation that puts profits above all else and found their nitch.  It will be real interesting to see how they handle party in fighting, their ability to influence public policy could be shocking and very troubling.  The propaganda wouldn't even have shiat to do with political objectives, just what makes the most $.
2013-10-19 06:50:49 AM  
3 votes:
Good.
2013-10-19 04:08:41 PM  
2 votes:
I voted Republican most of my life. I grew in a family, that was smaller more efficient government, not a crippled and lamed government. Abortion should be regulated closely but not at all prohibited. Food stamps, medicare, medicaid, and social security were necessary to the welfare of the least fortunate, but needed to be better managed. We had friends who were gay and never was it thought that they shouldn't have enjoy the protection of the law for their rights and property.

Since Obama however my sister and I, I feel, have stayed towards the center of the spectrum, arguing that as the economic and income disparity situation has worsened, more government intervention was needed to correct the situation and restore some sort of economic balance. Although I was initially against Obamacare, now that I see my parents doing well under Medicare, and collecting Social Security, I don't see why I should be excluded from having affordable healthcare because I haven't reached a certain age.

i voted for McCain against Obama but couldn't even bring myself to vote in the last election I was so disillusioned. I couldn't quite bring myself to vote Democrat but I REALLY didn't want to vote for Romney, or any other Republican candidate as I felt that the party was taking a bad turn. Next election I fully intend on making my small paltry voice heard by voting a straight Democrat slate (allowed under my state's voting laws).

I like the idea of less taxes, if practical, and more efficient government, but the Republican Party under the Teahadists isn't about that anymore. They're playing class warfare in reverse. They want to tax the poor and destroy any semblance of a social safety net in this country. They claim to be libertarian but what they really mean is "You're free to do whatever you want as long as it makes you look, act, and sound like me and my ever abiding love of an angry, vengeful God and his son Jesus who actually wanted you to hate everyone not his followers". They claim to be pro-gun rights, but really they're pro-fear the government and its minority hordes, here support the CEOs of the firearms industry.

I was always raised to believe that less government meant less interference and therefore more rights for everyone, but the Teahdists have seriously turned me off that idea when watching them try to put that idea into practice. I would hope the GOP would jettison these tools, but they won't. Every moderate like myself will be jettisoned from the party. I actually was jettisoned because I was actually working for them and said nice things about liberals and equal rights for homosexuals, since again in my mind at the time, the Republican Party should have been about more rights for people, it was just the government getting in the way right? Its up to the Democrats now to absorb every center-right Republican like myself and then split, because the Republican Party has in truth already passed that point a long time ago.
2013-10-19 04:06:35 PM  
2 votes:
"[H]e said that if the party loses in the 2016 elections it could well split into hostile factions, 'a moderate party and a conservative party.'"

Here is the problem. The repubs are not threatening to split into a a moderate party and a conservative party. They are threatening to split into a conservative party and a reactionary party. Repub "moderates" are actually conservatives. Repub "conservatives" are, bluntly, fascists. The right wing has succeeded in pushing all our political definitions one notch to the right. It's confusing to everyone else in the world, where conservatives are people who want to keep things the way they are, not send us all back to the 1950's. Extreme right wing parties in places like Greece and France freely admit to admiring the Nazis and like to dress up in jackboots and Sam Browne belts. Here they prefer three cornered hats and silk stockings.
2013-10-19 02:54:14 PM  
2 votes:
People threaten this shiat all the time. It never happens. It never will. The Teatards will grudgingly accept that the GOP is the only vehicle through which they have any chance whatsoever to influence national politics, and they will spend all of their time and effort wrestling for control of it.

The only way a third party could ever actually form in this country would be if the Democrats moved to the left and moderates in both parties were to concertedly meet in the middle and schism off into a centrist party. Neither party would ever allow itself to split asymmetrically. They would immediately lose every election by splitting votes.
2013-10-19 02:46:09 PM  
2 votes:
I would be happier if each member of the GOP were split in two. I mean, they are all so enormously, hugely, stupidly obese (probably as a result of all the inbreeding) that each half would be the same size as a normal American. Of course, Republicans have so little in the way of higher cognitive functions that each half would likely continue to moving for a few minutes after being bisected. Just like comparatively higher life-forms like earthworms and planaria.
2013-10-19 01:51:27 PM  
2 votes:
The breakdown of the GOP will most likely be 6 rather than just 2 parties.  The Sensible Party, the Slightly Silly Party, the Republican Party, the Silly Party, the Very Silly Party, and the Tea Party.
2013-10-19 01:38:54 PM  
2 votes:

asmodeus224: randomjsa: I have no idea how the far left radicals that have taken over the Democratic party manage to keep their moderates in line but it might be interesting if the far right faction of the Republicans could manage to do the same somehow.

yea its a mystery...keep tilting at the windmills, my friend.  One day those dragons of moderation will fall!



Poor old randomjsa.

The most left-wing person in the Democratic Party would only be moderately to the left of middle in the cohort of the British Conservative Party. Or the German Social Democrats. Or even the Australian Liberal Party.
2013-10-19 01:28:59 PM  
2 votes:
Please.

i293.photobucket.com

Proceed.
2013-10-19 01:11:11 PM  
2 votes:

UndeadPoetsSociety: hubiestubert:

And we see how well this has worked. Damn the leadership for using this "strategy" and sadly, the country is going reap what that've sown for years to come, because folks forgot what Conservatism was, and just figured rebranding it to "whatever we say it is this week" would have zero consequences...

Sorry Hubie.  You, yourself, are pretty reasonable, but the 'true conservatism' you constantly mourn for is a chimera; it never existed.  This is Conservatism, and always has been.  What Conservatives want to conserve is the privileges of the already privileged, and nothing else.


So much this. I dig hubie as much as anyone, but I really wish he'd wake up someday and realize what he's spent his whole life defending.
2013-10-19 12:37:47 PM  
2 votes:

Notabunny: Notabunny: holeinthedonut: The new party will be named the Freedom America Patriot party   FAP for short

Party Of Opposing Patriots

Patriots Engaged In National Strategy


I think you mean:

Patriots Engaging National Interest Strategies.
2013-10-19 12:31:09 PM  
2 votes:
Let me know when Fox news starts putting a (T) next to their names instead of a (D) when they do something stupid or illegal.
2013-10-19 12:26:47 PM  
2 votes:

drewbob21: Rick Santelli, Joe Kernan, and the rest CNBC can EABOS.  They are worthless as a financial news network.  Bloomberg is legit.


But Cramer is invaluable as long as you do the opposite of what he recommends.
2013-10-19 12:21:55 PM  
2 votes:

SirVagTheTighty: FTA-

"I think that's a real possibility because you're seeing this clash between the new generation and - to me, it's not just the old wing of the Republican Party versus the new wing - you're really seeing a disintermediation in politics. It's already happened with the Democratic Party," Kibbe said. "It's happening with the Republican Party now. And grassroots activists have an ability to self-organize, to fund candidates they're more interested in, going right around the Republican National Committee and senatorial committee."

You're quite right, Kibbe, that's EXACTLY why those SHEEPLE need to be awakened, and the ONLY way that can happen is with grassroots campaigning - not just for specific election campaigns, but continuously, starting immediately, for their awakening. I'm referring to non-partisan, ongoing campaigning to try to acquaint the SHEEPLE with such things as Civics, The Constitution and its amendments, the whole concept of a capitalistic Republic, etc.

We should be forming civic groups that; 1) go knocking on doors, 2) man phone banks, 3) email blasts inviting the SHEEPLE to meetings where those concepts can be presented.

I know for a fact that the Dems have been turning out en masse for years, doing this very thing, lying to the SHEEPLE and promising them unlimited freeloading at government (i.e. taxpayer) expense.

We need to follow the same plan, but, INSTEAD, TELL THEM THE TRUTH ABOUT THE REALITIES of a socialist government, and what will happen when the run out of OTHER PEOPLE'S money. I'm convinced that the SHEEPLE are too shortsighted to realize that, with the current government, WE ARE NOW, IN FACT, HEADING DOWN THE ROAD TO SOCIALISM, and that the Dems are sweeping the road ahead of us so that we don't stumble before we get there.

WE CAN accomplish this if we get the country's conservatives off dead center and unite to overcome this horrific trend. Individually, all we can do is talk the talk, but united we can start to walk the walk. I' ...


Now you've done it...
imgs.xkcd.com
2013-10-19 12:13:17 PM  
2 votes:

Fart_Machine: To be fair the Tea Party existed as far back as 2007


I understand that but no one really heard from them until Obama was elected and they started protesting him for what the white guy  Bush started. And complaining about taxes that were lower than had been in years.
2013-10-19 12:08:04 PM  
2 votes:

randomjsa: I have no idea how the far left radicals that have taken over the Democratic party manage to keep their moderates in line but it might be interesting if the far right faction of the Republicans could manage to do the same somehow.


I want to respect you, for having an independent and consistent opinion that you're not afraid to voice.

But you're f*cking deluding yourself if you think that the American Democrat party is left-wing, nevermind left-wing radical. At the very utmost of lefty-ness on scale that does not start from 0 = Catholicism to 10 = devout Islamic, the Democrats are centrist.

If you're gonna use the scale I suggested, then yeah, Democrats are left-wing radicals, the Conservatives rate a 3 and the TEA party rates an 8.
2013-10-19 12:04:16 PM  
2 votes:

olddeegee: ghare: olddeegee: In the long run, I think it will make the "new" Republican party hard to beat. Get rid of the extremists and they would attract a large amount of conservative leaning Dems. That would leave an extreme left party, an extreme right, and a middle of the road GOP.

Are you seriously trying to say you think modern Democrats are "extreme left?"  Because that is, like, laughable.

A segment of them are. Not all. The centrist voters in the party will go to a more moderate party to avoid the extreme left of the party.


If you think this country has seen anything resembling an extreme left in the last two decades you're out of your farking mind. "A segment?" Give me a break. Regular republicans differ from TP's only in that they're less inclined to intentionally crash the economy.
2013-10-19 11:52:48 AM  
2 votes:
They are like that angry desperate couple that are intent on getting divorced, but haven't separated yet and are having enraged hate-sex nightly.
2013-10-19 11:36:42 AM  
2 votes:
funnycatwallpapers.com
2013-10-19 11:36:16 AM  
2 votes:

Mugato: Infernalist: t should be noted that the 'original' incarnation of the TP arose out of outrage and fury over the bank bailouts in 2008.

Strange that we didn't hear a peep from them until Obama was elected, even though Bush started the bailouts.


No, I remember some CNBC market floor walker losing his shiat on air and calling for another Tea Party during the Bush bailout.
2013-10-19 11:34:28 AM  
2 votes:

heavymetal: Now that the GOP establishment handlers put in place by the Koch Brothers ( Matt Kibbe, Dick Armey, Jack Kemp, and C. Boyden Gray) were ousted and people like "sideburn boy" replaced them; the revenue sources are drying up.

 Psst: Matt Kibbe *is* Sideburn Boy.
2013-10-19 10:54:51 AM  
2 votes:
The polar opposite of the green party.
2013-10-19 10:51:55 AM  
2 votes:
"Armey alleged that Kibbe had misused the PAC's funds to write a book not related to FreedomWorks and that the organization's lavish spending - including an in-house craft beer bar, first class travel accommodations and $80,000 in Las Vegas hotel charges - and top-heavy management structure would ruin the group. " Plus the payout to Armey and the probably unpaid loan,

It looks like "OK boys, this scam's over. Time to start a new one with a different name."
2013-10-19 10:14:21 AM  
2 votes:

ILostMyPassword: This tease has been going on for years.  Sure they will field primary candidates, but there is no way congressional/senatorial elections start having an R and a T unless there is no dem in the field so it's safe.  The whole point of gerrymandering is to win lots of districts by relatively small margins (10 points) while the others win few districts by large margins (30+).  If they start letting the tea party syphon off votes you're looking at 250+ dems in congress.   Also a third party has absolutely no function/value in our political system other than to hurt one of the two big ones.


There is a growing number of Tea Party supporters who are adamant that both parties are "part of the problem" - they don't see it (as above) at all.
They are on a mission to unseat moderate/RINOs and, because they KNOW they are right, the math of "a third party generally does nothing but split the votes" never occurs to them.

The only encouraging thing i've seen is the assertion "I'd rather not vote, or vote for a right-leaning ( D ) than a RINO" - They, right now, really hate the republican party.
2013-10-19 10:09:18 AM  
2 votes:

MFAWG: Infernalist: Peter von Nostrand: I'm still amused these people really think the rise of the TP was grassroots. And here we thought the Romney campaign was full of the most deluded, out of touch people in America

It should be noted that the 'original' incarnation of the TP arose out of outrage and fury over the bank bailouts in 2008.  They were co-opted shortly thereafter by the GOP, but they weren't always the TP that you see now.  Their original outrage was focused on big business and big banks and how they got bailed out while many of them lost their savings and walked away with nothing.

So why isn't there any fury pointed at the guy who signed the original bailout bill? It's like that never happened.


Oh, at the time, there was plenty.  But, like I said, it got co-opted pretty quick.
2013-10-19 10:08:19 AM  
2 votes:
This tease has been going on for years.  Sure they will field primary candidates, but there is no way congressional/senatorial elections start having an R and a T unless there is no dem in the field so it's safe.  The whole point of gerrymandering is to win lots of districts by relatively small margins (10 points) while the others win few districts by large margins (30+).  If they start letting the tea party syphon off votes you're looking at 250+ dems in congress.  Also a third party has absolutely no function/value in our political system other than to hurt one of the two big ones.
2013-10-19 10:06:24 AM  
2 votes:

DeaH: And will the new, stand-alone tea party continue to vote Republican when there's no Tea Party candidate on the ballot? Because it sound like the same old thing to me.


No, they won't
Their self-admitted plan is to FIND tea party candidates to back
This worries me - anyone who is p.o'd at "government" and is asked to run for office (including funding from independent PACs) will take a shot.
If the race in certain districts is a "no way, ever" ( D ) and moderate "RINO" ( R ) and a fairly-well funded lunatic ( T ) who says all the right things - the ( T ) could likely win
So, what you get is an elected anti-government zealot with no legislative experience and no loyalty to corporate opinion (economic) or historical reference.

....sound familiar?
2013-10-19 10:04:18 AM  
2 votes:
Armey alleged that Kibbe had misused the PAC's funds ... and that the organization's lavish spending ... and top-heavy management structure would ruin the group.

Oh yeah? What do you know, old man? GTFO!

Now Armey is being paid $8 million over the course of 20 years just to stay away from the group and not discuss it with outsiders.

Booyah, Gramps! See ya!

FreedomWorks has had to take out a million dollar line of credit to meet its operating expenses and that so far this year, donations have slowed to a trickle.

I...uh. Oh. Oh shiat.

/Fiscal responsibility!!1!
//Unbelievably amused.
2013-10-19 10:00:05 AM  
2 votes:

Peter von Nostrand: I'm still amused these people really think the rise of the TP was grassroots. And here we thought the Romney campaign was full of the most deluded, out of touch people in America


It should be noted that the 'original' incarnation of the TP arose out of outrage and fury over the bank bailouts in 2008.  They were co-opted shortly thereafter by the GOP, but they weren't always the TP that you see now.  Their original outrage was focused on big business and big banks and how they got bailed out while many of them lost their savings and walked away with nothing.
2013-10-19 09:56:15 AM  
2 votes:

randomjsa: I have no idea how the far left radicals that have taken over the Democratic party manage to keep their moderates in line but it might be interesting if the far right faction of the Republicans could manage to do the same somehow.


Congratulations. I can't remember the last time I had a genuine laugh at a troll post.
2013-10-19 09:41:33 AM  
2 votes:
NickelP:

It comes from a total lack of critical thinking skills and understanding anything outside of what you want this exact second.

'Hey I think my side burns would look wicked cool like that, and fark anyone who disagrees' =
'I need a 30 round mag, reloading blows, and fark anyone who might die over that shiat' =
'I don't have any pre-existing conditions and have medicare, fark anyone who has gotten sick, they are on their own for healthcare and I won't pay a dime more' =
'WTF donna at the dmv.  Its just a farking jet ski.  No way I have to have a boat license and understand nautical laws, just give me the god damn permit already.  This shiat is why we need to cut 90% of gov!' =
'Who cares if we ruin the environment and make many square miles of land uninhabitable?  Frack the hell out of that land.  I want gas to go down $.03!' =
'Shut the gov down! yay party time!  Down with the oppression!  What the fark do you mean no one is going to be available to clean, provide security for, provide maintenance for, etc national parks and monuments?  This is bullshiat.  god damn libs!' =
'Every agency ever- You cost too much and we think you could do better, so we are going to cut what we give you to work with and ask you to do more with less.  *some point in the future* Yeah your performance since we gutted your funding has gotten a bit worse, we are going to have to cut it some more.  **some point a bit more in the future** since your performance hasn't increased after multiple cuts to funding, we have decided to pay a private company 3x what your budget was to do 1/2 of what you did with no accountability, the other half of what you did we just decided we didn't care if it ever gets don ...


Snow killed my cows.  Help!
2013-10-19 09:32:02 AM  
2 votes:
I'm still amused these people really think the rise of the TP was grassroots. And here we thought the Romney campaign was full of the most deluded, out of touch people in America
2013-10-19 09:20:15 AM  
2 votes:

SirVagTheTighty: even at my age (81)


You should proofread before hitting "paste."

/and make sure you're nowhere near freeperland when hitting "copy."
2013-10-19 08:22:13 AM  
2 votes:

lizyrd: MmmmBacon: I would love to see the National Republican Party disavow any so-called Tea Party member, and refuse to fund their re-election while steering extra funds towards moderate, pro-business Republicans to run against those TP politicians in their next Primary. Not just US Senators and Representatives, though... run against them on the State and even local level. Run those POS Tea Party anarchists out of office anywhere they are serving, and anywhere they hope to serve.

In Oregon we used to have an ultra-conservative third party called the Constitution Party. It was, for all intents and purposes, the Tea Party, just rebranded and run out on a national scale. In Oregon we voters have put those Constitution Party morans in a box, where they can't harm our government and absolutely can't win an election. The GOP should do the same with the Tea Party.

That's going to be painful in the short-term for the GOP. Hopefully, the party leadership decides to take a long view on the subject, as avoiding short-term losses is how the GOP has gotten to where it is. It may mean losing the House for a couple of Congresses, but what will emerge will be a more stable party with a realistic position on governance.

So far, gaining or maintaining a majority in Congress has been more important than maintaining control over the caucus. As long as the Republican Party throws its weight behind any nut running with an (R) next to his name, there will be long-term damage to the party. It all comes down to the GOP establishment willing to take some short-term losses to put the nuts in their place.


Exactly!
2013-10-20 12:55:29 PM  
1 votes:
If the hateful seniors and rednecks who call themselves the Tea Party would form a third party, that would be great. They would be marginalized, and we could safely ignore them.
2013-10-20 12:03:06 AM  
1 votes:

A Dark Evil Omen: "Conservatism" is a meaningless and philosophically bankrupt ideology at this point; it's impossible to preserve the aristocracy by simple inertia in a world where varying levels of self-determination have been shown over and over to be both effective and effectual. What we have in the modern world are right-wing reactionaries.


This.  We have seen the end of greed, and it's a bunch of ill-educated louts more than willing to hand over their own wallets to the 'rich elite' in exchange for some kind of favor.  Being a conservative today is pretty much indentured servitude:  notice how they want to pay their 'betters' more money for the chance to be thrown a scrap.  How they can live with themselves by acting this way is far, far beyond me.  You would think people willing to buy guns and take on a government would be adverse to being treated this way.  Yet here we are.
2013-10-19 10:26:54 PM  
1 votes:

Stone Meadow: Peki: Little late in the thread, but read "Origins of Totalitarianism." The only difference at this point between us and Nazi Germany is the charismatic leader--Ted Cruz seems to be the man for the job at this point, but we'll see what happens in January--and the willy-nilly punishments that target innocents and guilty alike, though you could easily point to overreaching police departments and the NSA here. We even have the economic issues.

Yeah, except for the whole controlling the press and rounding up domestic political opponents and disappearing them into barbed-wire camps thingie.


FoxNews.

And I addressed your second point in my original. You stopped reading after the part you bolded.
2013-10-19 08:40:39 PM  
1 votes:

Peki: Little late in the thread, but read "Origins of Totalitarianism." The only difference at this point between us and Nazi Germany is the charismatic leader--Ted Cruz seems to be the man for the job at this point, but we'll see what happens in January--and the willy-nilly punishments that target innocents and guilty alike, though you could easily point to overreaching police departments and the NSA here. We even have the economic issues.


I have actually recently been re-reading history texts about proto-nazi activities, and I have to differ with you. Although I agree that TP activists have taken a page or two from Goebbels, it's just not reasonable to draw a clean parallel between the Tea Party and the NSDAP. The principal difference between then and now is the lack of a credible "third threat", specifically the USSR and the COMINTERN threat. This, in particular, is what weakened the forces of order and reason in the early 1930s, and allowed the NSDAP to ascend unhindered to power. It only helped that the Goebbels knew every historic and cultural button to push.

That said, I think Raphael "Ted" Cruz has been mapping out a spectacular path, designed to benefit Ted Cruz handsomely, and the US not at all. He is our premier demagogue at the moment, and we should all pause for a moment of sullen antipathy in response.
2013-10-19 06:52:15 PM  
1 votes:

BitwiseShift: Al Hashshashin: Political Conservatism is a particularly poor tool to wield in the face of such a rapidly changing world.

It doesn't even have a definition. As Rush Limbaugh advocated the most gas-guzzling car as a symbol of conservatism, the definition has died -- first being hijacked ransomed then executed.

The use of the term seems to be more about a fear of ;the future -- being overrun by "others" and a by-all-means-possible attempt to shore up the castle walls, with democracy seen as a ticking time-bomb that is not yet seen as dangerous enough to kill.


"Conservatism" is a meaningless and philosophically bankrupt ideology at this point; it's impossible to preserve the aristocracy by simple inertia in a world where varying levels of self-determination have been shown over and over to be both effective and effectual. What we have in the modern world are right-wing reactionaries.
2013-10-19 06:12:36 PM  
1 votes:

mjjt: The traditional controllers of GOP will consider whether the TP gains or loses them votes, and act on that.

If TP crazies look like alienating people who would otherwise vote R, then it will be in the RINOs interests to defeat any TP candidate, even if that means letting a Democrat win. So they will run a moderately conservative Independent R candidate and split the vote. Sacrifice 2014 to avoid a rout in 2016.

The TP seems intent on getting more extreme candidates into Congress. They will be even crazier than Cruz, and just as economically ignorant and dogmatic. (Default on debt is good because then nobody will lend to us so we will have to live within our means)

TP economics will harm the rich as well as everyone else. So it's in their interests to emasculate the TP.

And perhaps Fox News advertisers will have second thoughts about supporting the people who are whipping up the TP sheep.


FOX news advertisers like the FOX demographics the way that they are; the stupider the better. Just turn FOX on and watch a couple of commercial cycles and you will see what I mean based on the products and services being advertised. Catheters, mesothelioma lawsuits, Gold, books on the upcoming Obama collapse, survival stuff, "Western sky", social security lawsuits, medicare lawsuits.. Who buys this crap? Well, FOX news viewers do, and that's the way the advertisers like it; nobody else is going to buy that crud. ,
2013-10-19 05:34:03 PM  
1 votes:

Al Hashshashin: Political Conservatism is a particularly poor tool to wield in the face of such a rapidly changing world.


It doesn't even have a definition. As Rush Limbaugh advocated the most gas-guzzling car as a symbol of conservatism, the definition has died -- first being hijacked ransomed then executed.

The use of the term seems to be more about a fear of ;the future -- being overrun by "others" and a by-all-means-possible attempt to shore up the castle walls, with democracy seen as a ticking time-bomb that is not yet seen as dangerous enough to kill.
2013-10-19 05:19:14 PM  
1 votes:

hubiestubert: Conservatism


I always take care to read your posts as well sir, but you didn't really speak to UndeadPoetsSociety's assertion that Conservatism is merely a tool to preserve the privileges of the privileged.

While I concede that it's any free persons right to be a conservative person in manner, lifestyle or finance ... Conservatism with a capital C is invariably seized on by those in positions of financial and political power as a tool to maintain the status quo.

Political Conservatism is a particularly poor tool to wield in the face of such a rapidly changing world.

America has to adapt or whither and liberalism is a potent force in times such as these.

While I can respect how a Maine republican could come to look at the world as you do ... with all due respect I think you're actually a pretty liberal dude.

/it's all relative
2013-10-19 05:05:55 PM  
1 votes:

Peki: NickelP: In history you always hear about how propaganda was used by the italians/nazi's in ww2 (not to mention many before them) to get folks to do things that they generally wouldn't otherwise support.  I wonder how the current events will be viewed.

Little late in the thread, but read "Origins of Totalitarianism." The only difference at this point between us and Nazi Germany is the charismatic leader--Ted Cruz seems to be the man for the job at this point, but we'll see what happens in January--and the willy-nilly punishments that target innocents and guilty alike, though you could easily point to overreaching police departments and the NSA here. We even have the economic issues.

I'd like to think of the TP as a failed totalitarian movement, but I don't think they're done yet. Avoiding default was a major blow, but there are still a few steps left that could be ugly. I also hold to the view that the purpose of the shutdown/default was just to see if they could; to ask "Why did you shut down the government?" is a ridiculous question, because that was the goal.

I'm sure they are now in the process of telling their echo chamber that see, it wasn't that bad when the gov't was shutdown, and it won't be that bad when we shut it down permanently!

/if someone pulls a citation for this I'm going to give myself a concussion with all the headdesking


I agree with most of that.  I don't think them losing this debate helped their cause, but not sure its the end of them either.  Hell hitler got his ass shot down hard and sent to jail and came back.  I'm not ready to say cruz is hitler but I doubt the tp just fades into the night because this lost this fight.  If anything it probably makes them stronger and forces the issue internally (of the gop).
2013-10-19 04:26:36 PM  
1 votes:

Tommy Moo: People threaten this shiat all the time. It never happens. It never will. The Teatards will grudgingly accept that the GOP is the only vehicle through which they have any chance whatsoever to influence national politics, and they will spend all of their time and effort wrestling for control of it.

The only way a third party could ever actually form in this country would be if the Democrats moved to the left and moderates in both parties were to concertedly meet in the middle and schism off into a centrist party. Neither party would ever allow itself to split asymmetrically. They would immediately lose every election by splitting votes.


It has happened before.  One party always dies off and leaves 2 again.  Our system of elections basically guarantees that only 2 major parties exist over the long-term, but in the short term it can and has happened.
2013-10-19 04:04:02 PM  
1 votes:

UndeadPoetsSociety: hubiestubert:

And we see how well this has worked. Damn the leadership for using this "strategy" and sadly, the country is going reap what that've sown for years to come, because folks forgot what Conservatism was, and just figured rebranding it to "whatever we say it is this week" would have zero consequences...

Sorry Hubie.  You, yourself, are pretty reasonable, but the 'true conservatism' you constantly mourn for is a chimera; it never existed.  This is Conservatism, and always has been.  What Conservatives want to conserve is the privileges of the already privileged, and nothing else.


You have to remember, I went to school with Dean Chambers. UMF, back in the day. Even in those days, we knew the boy wasn't right. Even in those days, he refused to work on Olympia Snowe's campaign because she wasn't "Right enough." Mind you, this is after her vote against NAFTA and it was the right vote for Maine, and that is why I stayed Republican for so many years: because someone has to vote FOR the sane folk.

That a horribly damaged human like Dean STILL allows himself to be used poorly so he can imagine he has a seat at the Cool Kids table is sort of sad. Sadder is when the Young Republicans hosted Mitt a few times while he was involved with the UMaine Board, as well as our Student Government and my fraternity was represented at these dinners, Dean was already a fawning 'yard while the rest of us had some fairly hard questions about the money we were putting into the UMaine system and its future.

I came out of that Maineiac tradition of Conservatism, and the TEAhaddis are making inroads--Maine sends either sensible Representatives or Dyed In Tge Wool Crazies--the GOP in Maine has too much area to cover to give too much credence to the Crazy Train.

Certainly not immune, but Mainers tend to look to Congresscritters to do a job, rather than massage their feelings, and that is really what tge TEA Party is about: making people feel like thay're doing SOMETHING as opposed to doing something USEFUL...
2013-10-19 03:42:13 PM  
1 votes:

Dave and the Mission: Will someone please tell me why all of the people I have highlighted as trolls have stopped posting?  It's really eerie.


They're out "traveling"?
2013-10-19 03:19:19 PM  
1 votes:

cameroncrazy1984: simplicimus: Britney Spear's Speculum: Also, there are quite a few places in this country that do not even have Democrats running in elections.  This needs to change.

Yes. And the message in many places would be so simple. A list of what the R's have done to the detriment of the people in the area, follow-upped by "Is this what your really voted for?"

Umm...follow-upped?


Ok, followed by.
2013-10-19 03:07:53 PM  
1 votes:
Will someone please tell me why all of the people I have highlighted as trolls have stopped posting?  It's really eerie.
2013-10-19 03:05:48 PM  
1 votes:

simplicimus: Britney Spear's Speculum: Also, there are quite a few places in this country that do not even have Democrats running in elections.  This needs to change.

Yes. And the message in many places would be so simple. A list of what the R's have done to the detriment of the people in the area, follow-upped by "Is this what your really voted for?"


Umm...follow-upped?
2013-10-19 03:00:38 PM  
1 votes:

Britney Spear's Speculum: Also, there are quite a few places in this country that do not even have Democrats running in elections.  This needs to change.


Yes. And the message in many places would be so simple. A list of what the R's have done to the detriment of the people in the area, follow-upped by "Is this what your really voted for?"
2013-10-19 02:57:48 PM  
1 votes:

Satanic_Hamster: Tremolo: olddeegee: ghare: olddeegee: In the long run, I think it will make the "new" Republican party hard to beat. Get rid of the extremists and they would attract a large amount of conservative leaning Dems. That would leave an extreme left party, an extreme right, and a middle of the road GOP.

Are you seriously trying to say you think modern Democrats are "extreme left?"  Because that is, like, laughable.

A segment of them are. Not all. The centrist voters in the party will go to a more moderate party to avoid the extreme left of the party.

If you think this country has seen anything resembling an extreme left in the last two decades you're out of your farking mind. "A segment?" Give me a break. Regular republicans differ from TP's only in that they're less inclined to intentionally crash the economy.

You see, he's got to be able to justify his belief that both sides are, in fact, bad.


Due to sickness, tonight the part of "extreme left" will be played by "anyone more than the Planck interval left of Bill Clinton".
2013-10-19 02:57:37 PM  
1 votes:
What's funny is that even in his own comments are seeds of a further split. He talks of taking the Teahadis back from the "overdemocratized" faction that has control of it now (Armey) and challenging the republicans who had the temerity to work with the democrats.

They really are going to wind up like the People's Front of Judea at this rate.
2013-10-19 02:52:54 PM  
1 votes:

Tremolo: olddeegee: ghare: olddeegee: In the long run, I think it will make the "new" Republican party hard to beat. Get rid of the extremists and they would attract a large amount of conservative leaning Dems. That would leave an extreme left party, an extreme right, and a middle of the road GOP.

Are you seriously trying to say you think modern Democrats are "extreme left?"  Because that is, like, laughable.

A segment of them are. Not all. The centrist voters in the party will go to a more moderate party to avoid the extreme left of the party.

If you think this country has seen anything resembling an extreme left in the last two decades you're out of your farking mind. "A segment?" Give me a break. Regular republicans differ from TP's only in that they're less inclined to intentionally crash the economy.


You see, he's got to be able to justify his belief that both sides are, in fact, bad.
2013-10-19 02:52:21 PM  
1 votes:
Judean People's Front?
2013-10-19 02:36:24 PM  
1 votes:
The traditional controllers of GOP will consider whether the TP gains or loses them votes, and act on that.

If TP crazies look like alienating people who would otherwise vote R, then it will be in the RINOs interests to defeat any TP candidate, even if that means letting a Democrat win. So they will run a moderately conservative Independent R candidate and split the vote. Sacrifice 2014 to avoid a rout in 2016.

The TP seems intent on getting more extreme candidates into Congress. They will be even crazier than Cruz, and just as economically ignorant and dogmatic. (Default on debt is good because then nobody will lend to us so we will have to live within our means)

TP economics will harm the rich as well as everyone else. So it's in their interests to emasculate the TP.

And perhaps Fox News advertisers will have second thoughts about supporting the people who are whipping up the TP sheep.
2013-10-19 02:35:50 PM  
1 votes:
2.bp.blogspot.com

/Hurry up and split already!
//hot
2013-10-19 02:31:50 PM  
1 votes:

Fuggin Bizzy: Ego edo infantia cattus: [1389blog.com image 600x330]

To shreds you say...

<threadjack>That's a crazy picture. I hadn't heard the story behind it, so in case anyone else is curioushere's what wiki has to say, and here's some more pictures.</threadjack>


Holy crap.

"The aft section sank on 27 June and the bow section, after having been destroyed by fire, on 11 July. "
2013-10-19 02:29:20 PM  
1 votes:

spelletrader: The entire TEA party strategy is nothing more than contrarianism. It's a Monty Python sketch brought to life in the worst way imaginable.


img823.imageshack.us

Good evening and welcome to Taxed Enough Already.

Tonight we have on the phone a man who says the Republican Party is going to split--with 3 buttocks.
2013-10-19 02:10:39 PM  
1 votes:

readbot42: Notabunny: Notabunny: holeinthedonut: The new party will be named the Freedom America Patriot party   FAP for short

Party Of Opposing Patriots

Patriots Engaged In National Strategy

Citizens Opposing Carnal Knowledge


I actually want to name a liberal party the New American Progressive party.  Its slogan? "Wake up! Take a NAP!"
2013-10-19 01:54:09 PM  
1 votes:

Joe Peanut: The breakdown of the GOP will most likely be 6 rather than just 2 parties.  The Sensible Party, the Slightly Silly Party, the Republican Party, the Silly Party, the Very Silly Party, and the Tea Party.


You forgot the Upper Class Twits.
2013-10-19 01:52:45 PM  
1 votes:

Brokenseas: They themselves may get relegated to third-party status


Almost happened in Colorado in 2010.  Republicans came close to being legally relegated to third party status because of Tancredo.
2013-10-19 01:51:45 PM  
1 votes:
"As you know by now," Kibbe said in the video, "Mitch McConnell and John Boehner have partnered with Harry Reid to pass a blank check to the president on this budget fight. There is no reform of Obamacare, there's no defunding, there's no delays. Um...we lost."
He went on to say that the amount of vitriol directed at Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX), Heritage Action, FreedomWorks and other agitators for further shutdowns and a debt default indicates that, in fact, the far-right is winning the fight against Obamacare and asks that donors send money to fund the insurrection against moderate Republicans.


Wait...what?

FreedomWorks has had to take out a million dollar line of credit to meet its operating expenses

So, now they support raising the(ir) debt ceiling?
2013-10-19 01:44:43 PM  
1 votes:

RexTalionis: What is up with that guy's sideburns? Do they recruit the douchiest looking people around or is it just that the douchiest looking people tend to be attracted to the Tea Party?

[www.washingtonpost.com image 480x270]
[a.abcnews.go.com image 640x360]
[www.rawstory.com image 615x345]



Yes.  That is the douchenozzle from the night that the shutdown ended.  Paul Begala spelled out exactly how we ended up in the recession.  The douchenozzle with the crappy glasses and sideburns says "So basically it Bush's fault".  Begala emphatically replied "yes".  The Douchenozzle went with the tired talking point of libs only blame the current problems on Bush, Begala went with the truth.
2013-10-19 01:42:20 PM  
1 votes:
The entire TEA party strategy is nothing more than contrarianism. It's a Monty Python sketch brought to life in the worst way imaginable.
2013-10-19 01:23:47 PM  
1 votes:
weknowmemes.com
2013-10-19 01:20:24 PM  
1 votes:

RexTalionis: What is up with that guy's sideburns? Do they recruit the douchiest looking people around or is it just that the douchiest looking people tend to be attracted to the Tea Party?

[www.washingtonpost.com image 480x270]
[a.abcnews.go.com image 640x360]
[www.rawstory.com image 615x345]


Stupid 'bagger can't even do muttonchops right.
2013-10-19 01:10:28 PM  
1 votes:

A Terrible Human: MFAWG: olddeegee: ghare: olddeegee: In the long run, I think it will make the "new" Republican party hard to beat. Get rid of the extremists and they would attract a large amount of conservative leaning Dems. That would leave an extreme left party, an extreme right, and a middle of the road GOP.

Are you seriously trying to say you think modern Democrats are "extreme left?"  Because that is, like, laughable.

A segment of them are. Not all. The centrist voters in the party will go to a more moderate party to avoid the extreme left of the party.

That hasn't happened since Reagan, and he's dead.

His movies sucked or at least the ones I've seen sucked. How the fark did he keep getting parts in movies?


He worked in the industry during the contract player days. He was going to get paid anyway, so why not throw him in a movie and get some value out of the deal?
2013-10-19 01:08:27 PM  
1 votes:

MFAWG: Notabunny: MFAWG: Notabunny: Notabunny: holeinthedonut: The new party will be named the Freedom America Patriot party   FAP for short

Party Of Opposing Patriots

Patriots Engaged In National Strategy

I think you mean:

Patriots Engaging National Interest Strategies.

I love a good beer buzz early in the morning

Small bowl and 2 screwdrivers with breakfast, and I'm not talking about a bowl of oatmeal here.


img.photobucket.com
2013-10-19 01:04:39 PM  
1 votes:
hubiestubert:

And we see how well this has worked. Damn the leadership for using this "strategy" and sadly, the country is going reap what that've sown for years to come, because folks forgot what Conservatism was, and just figured rebranding it to "whatever we say it is this week" would have zero consequences...

Sorry Hubie.  You, yourself, are pretty reasonable, but the 'true conservatism' you constantly mourn for is a chimera; it never existed.  This is Conservatism, and always has been.  What Conservatives want to conserve is the privileges of the already privileged, and nothing else.
2013-10-19 12:57:40 PM  
1 votes:
I really wish we'd just nuke the so called "Grand Old Party."

There are no redeeming factors.

Think of this:

The last "moderate" Republican President we had was Bush I--who was head of the CIA back in the 70s.

Yeah. Real moderate.

I respect the idea of a republican form of representative democracy, but the party that calls itself "Republican" is far too conservative for societal progress of any kind.

F*ck 'em. And I'm tired of hearing them defended by otherwise intelligent Farkers. No, the Whig thing isn't going to happen, either. They're too conservative as well.
2013-10-19 12:57:33 PM  
1 votes:
By gosh, I want them to do it, I want them to run a GOP alternative, someone a little more committed to the President Madagascar theory of governing, in every state, in every house race. Frankly, as a liberal, there's nothing I'd like more than seeing the TEA Party split the votes.
2013-10-19 12:53:52 PM  
1 votes:

A Terrible Human: MFAWG: olddeegee: ghare: olddeegee: In the long run, I think it will make the "new" Republican party hard to beat. Get rid of the extremists and they would attract a large amount of conservative leaning Dems. That would leave an extreme left party, an extreme right, and a middle of the road GOP.

Are you seriously trying to say you think modern Democrats are "extreme left?"  Because that is, like, laughable.

A segment of them are. Not all. The centrist voters in the party will go to a more moderate party to avoid the extreme left of the party.

That hasn't happened since Reagan, and he's dead.

His movies sucked or at least the ones I've seen sucked. How the fark did he keep getting parts in movies?


He showed up and knew his lines. It was a very different business in those days.
2013-10-19 12:52:17 PM  
1 votes:

MFAWG: Notabunny: Notabunny: holeinthedonut: The new party will be named the Freedom America Patriot party   FAP for short

Party Of Opposing Patriots

Patriots Engaged In National Strategy

I think you mean:

Patriots Engaging National Interest Strategies.


I love a good beer buzz early in the morning
2013-10-19 12:49:19 PM  
1 votes:

MmmmBacon: I would love to see the National Republican Party disavow any so-called Tea Party member, and refuse to fund their re-election while steering extra funds towards moderate, pro-business Republicans to run against those TP politicians in their next Primary. Not just US Senators and Representatives, though... run against them on the State and even local level. Run those POS Tea Party anarchists out of office anywhere they are serving, and anywhere they hope to serve.

In Oregon we used to have an ultra-conservative third party called the Constitution Party. It was, for all intents and purposes, the Tea Party, just rebranded and run out on a national scale. In Oregon we voters have put those Constitution Party morans in a box, where they can't harm our government and absolutely can't win an election. The GOP should do the same with the Tea Party.


not going to happen. the tea party won't denounce the moderate rino party either. there is a method to the madness. it's to move the party further to the right while giving the moderates plausible deniability.
2013-10-19 12:48:14 PM  
1 votes:
Good, conservatives, good.

Thrash around in your blind rage that a black man... I mean socialist in charge can do a good job.

Next up, women.

The more you scream and bite, the more everybody sees right to your heart. The more you lose people who just won't put up with your shiat anymore.

Too extreme isn't extreme enough! Octuple down! There're no limits! You are America! Destroy America to save it!
Party before Country! Party before Country!  Party before Country!
2013-10-19 12:46:39 PM  
1 votes:

Cyrus the Mediocre: This is just the end of Act 2 in "Romance of the Republican"

The Republican exorcised his psychotic inner demon, then the Tea Party corporealized and began to wreak havoc in the nation.  After nearly killing the Economy, our Republican hero must work with his old nemesis, the Democrat, in order to rid the world of this derp-demon.


Is this like the end of Evil Dead 2 where they had to summon the Candarian demon fully into the world so that they could banish it?  I need my political discourse placed into the proper modern-media context.
2013-10-19 12:44:39 PM  
1 votes:

A Terrible Human: MFAWG: olddeegee: ghare: olddeegee: In the long run, I think it will make the "new" Republican party hard to beat. Get rid of the extremists and they would attract a large amount of conservative leaning Dems. That would leave an extreme left party, an extreme right, and a middle of the road GOP.

Are you seriously trying to say you think modern Democrats are "extreme left?"  Because that is, like, laughable.

A segment of them are. Not all. The centrist voters in the party will go to a more moderate party to avoid the extreme left of the party.

That hasn't happened since Reagan, and he's dead.

His movies sucked or at least the ones I've seen sucked. How the fark did he keep getting parts in movies?


Being the head of Americas largest and most powerful entertainment industry union helped alot.
2013-10-19 12:41:18 PM  
1 votes:

MFAWG: olddeegee: ghare: olddeegee: In the long run, I think it will make the "new" Republican party hard to beat. Get rid of the extremists and they would attract a large amount of conservative leaning Dems. That would leave an extreme left party, an extreme right, and a middle of the road GOP.

Are you seriously trying to say you think modern Democrats are "extreme left?"  Because that is, like, laughable.

A segment of them are. Not all. The centrist voters in the party will go to a more moderate party to avoid the extreme left of the party.

That hasn't happened since Reagan, and he's dead.


His movies sucked or at least the ones I've seen sucked. How the fark did he keep getting parts in movies?
2013-10-19 12:32:02 PM  
1 votes:

readbot42: Notabunny: Notabunny: holeinthedonut: The new party will be named the Freedom America Patriot party   FAP for short

Party Of Opposing Patriots

Patriots Engaged In National Strategy

Citizens Opposing Carnal Knowledge


Citizens Restoring American Prosperity
2013-10-19 12:28:38 PM  
1 votes:
I FIND PEOPLE WHO WRITE IN ALLCAPS ARE VERY SENSIBLE.

PLEASE CONTINUE TO TELL ME MORE ABOUT YOUR PHILOSOPHY, RELIGION, GOLD COINS OR POLITICS AND HOW I CAN CONTRIBUTE MONEY TO THIS ENDEAVOR.
2013-10-19 12:28:06 PM  
1 votes:

Notabunny: Notabunny: holeinthedonut: The new party will be named the Freedom America Patriot party   FAP for short

Party Of Opposing Patriots

Patriots Engaged In National Strategy


Citizens Opposing Carnal Knowledge
2013-10-19 12:24:45 PM  
1 votes:

olddeegee: ghare: olddeegee: In the long run, I think it will make the "new" Republican party hard to beat. Get rid of the extremists and they would attract a large amount of conservative leaning Dems. That would leave an extreme left party, an extreme right, and a middle of the road GOP.

Are you seriously trying to say you think modern Democrats are "extreme left?"  Because that is, like, laughable.

A segment of them are. Not all. The centrist voters in the party will go to a more moderate party to avoid the extreme left of the party.


That hasn't happened since Reagan, and he's dead.
2013-10-19 12:19:53 PM  
1 votes:

holeinthedonut: The new party will be named the Freedom America Patriot party   FAP for short


Party Of Opposing Patriots
2013-10-19 12:18:34 PM  
1 votes:

Mugato: Fart_Machine: To be fair the Tea Party existed as far back as 2007

I understand that but no one really heard from them until Obama was elected and they started protesting him for what the white guy  Bush started. And complaining about taxes that were lower than had been in years.


I find it entertaining that the Republicans forwarded their anti-abortion and voter suppression agenda by co-opting the teabaggers, but now the teabagters are revolting.
2013-10-19 12:07:59 PM  
1 votes:
Aaaand it seems the paid shills have finished their vacation.

/ god bless ignore
2013-10-19 12:07:32 PM  
1 votes:

Fart_Machine: Who is going to bankroll them if that happens?


img.photobucket.com
2013-10-19 12:03:52 PM  
1 votes:
Who is going to bankroll them if that happens?
2013-10-19 12:01:43 PM  
1 votes:

randomjsa: far left radicals that have taken over the Democratic party


DRINK!
2013-10-19 12:00:31 PM  
1 votes:
It would be nice to see an ACTUAL conservative party.

Also, it would be nice to see an ACTUAL liberal party.

/ bsab, so vote tea?
2013-10-19 11:57:18 AM  
1 votes:

Lsherm: MmmmBacon: lizyrd: MmmmBacon: I would love to see the National Republican Party disavow any so-called Tea Party member, and refuse to fund their re-election while steering extra funds towards moderate, pro-business Republicans to run against those TP politicians in their next Primary. Not just US Senators and Representatives, though... run against them on the State and even local level. Run those POS Tea Party anarchists out of office anywhere they are serving, and anywhere they hope to serve.

In Oregon we used to have an ultra-conservative third party called the Constitution Party. It was, for all intents and purposes, the Tea Party, just rebranded and run out on a national scale. In Oregon we voters have put those Constitution Party morans in a box, where they can't harm our government and absolutely can't win an election. The GOP should do the same with the Tea Party.

That's going to be painful in the short-term for the GOP. Hopefully, the party leadership decides to take a long view on the subject, as avoiding short-term losses is how the GOP has gotten to where it is. It may mean losing the House for a couple of Congresses, but what will emerge will be a more stable party with a realistic position on governance.

So far, gaining or maintaining a majority in Congress has been more important than maintaining control over the caucus. As long as the Republican Party throws its weight behind any nut running with an (R) next to his name, there will be long-term damage to the party. It all comes down to the GOP establishment willing to take some short-term losses to put the nuts in their place.

Exactly!

No - not exactly.  The tea party people win the primaries because the primary voters WANT them to win the primaries.  It's not a matter of funding anymore.  Pro-business money interests may be able to tackle a few tea party members from the left during the primaries, but not many.  The best they can hope for are rabidly right candidates who also have a strong pro-b ...


As I understand it, the Constitution Party started out as a group that actually lived up to its name, but was quickly co-opted by the Christocrats who think that the Constitution is practically a missing book of the Holy Bible.

But even they aren't the most extreme. MmmmBacon, you're from Oregon? Tell us all about Dennis Oliver Woods and his Kings Way Classical Academy (Warning! At least one of the sponsored links on that site apparently goes to an attack site!)
2013-10-19 11:53:05 AM  
1 votes:

Tremolo: Mister Peejay: randomjsa: I have no idea how the far left radicals that have taken over the Democratic party manage to keep their moderates in line but it might be interesting if the far right faction of the Republicans could manage to do the same somehow.

You live in vastly different world than the real one.  In the world most of us inhabit, the Democratic party is right of center.

He's given up even pretending that his trolling is within "the reality based community."


Where is center on his scale?
" Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
    Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
    The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
    The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
    The best lack all conviction, while the worst
    Are full of passionate intensity. "
2013-10-19 11:46:03 AM  
1 votes:

Mugato: simplicimus: Mugato: Infernalist: t should be noted that the 'original' incarnation of the TP arose out of outrage and fury over the bank bailouts in 2008.

Strange that we didn't hear a peep from them until Obama was elected, even though Bush started the bailouts.

No, I remember some CNBC market floor walker losing his shiat on air and calling for another Tea Party during the Bush bailout.

Not sure if serious.......

I'm talking about the Tea Party coming out with massive protests with racists signs and vague threats about an armed revolution. That shiat didn't happen until Obama was elected and they started attributing to him the ball that Bush got rolling years before. And I won't even bother getting started with Fox News.


Serious, but the CNBC guy wasn't talking about forming a political party, more like a Howard Beale moment on air.
2013-10-19 11:43:45 AM  
1 votes:

simplicimus: Mugato: Infernalist: t should be noted that the 'original' incarnation of the TP arose out of outrage and fury over the bank bailouts in 2008.

Strange that we didn't hear a peep from them until Obama was elected, even though Bush started the bailouts.

No, I remember some CNBC market floor walker losing his shiat on air and calling for another Tea Party during the Bush bailout.


Not sure if serious.......

I'm talking about the Tea Party coming out with massive protests with racists signs and vague threats about an armed revolution. That shiat didn't happen until Obama was elected and they started attributing to him the ball that Bush got rolling years before. And I won't even bother getting started with Fox News.
2013-10-19 11:37:27 AM  
1 votes:
Please proceed Tea Party
2013-10-19 11:27:12 AM  
1 votes:

Blathering Idjut: Nope.  The GOP will simply rebrand the Tea Party.  It's what they always do.


God I wish, The Tea Party has crazy low popularity beyond the fringe crazies.
2013-10-19 11:24:32 AM  
1 votes:
In the long run, I think it will make the "new" Republican party hard to beat. Get rid of the extremists and they would attract a large amount of conservative leaning Dems. That would leave an extreme left party, an extreme right, and a middle of the road GOP.
2013-10-19 11:14:00 AM  
1 votes:
Nope.  The GOP will simply rebrand the Tea Party.  It's what they always do.
2013-10-19 11:08:29 AM  
1 votes:
parasol: ....I am not sure we can consider the tea party "fringe" anymore - not now that they have enough congressional power to force a shut down, threaten default, gloat about it and poll with more popularity than before
Just saying



But they AREN'T more popular.
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-10-19 11:01:03 AM  
1 votes:

Infernalist: It should be noted that the 'original' incarnation of the TP arose out of outrage and fury over the bank bailouts in 2008.  They were co-opted shortly thereafter by the GOP, but they weren't always the TP that you see now.  Their original outrage was focused on big business and big banks and how they got bailed out while many of them lost their savings and walked away with nothing.


No, the original tea party was started by social security recipients who were against government entitlement programs.  TEA  is an acronym for "Taxed Enough Already".
2013-10-19 10:57:03 AM  
1 votes:

ILostMyPassword: parasol: ILostMyPassword: This tease has been going on for years.  Sure they will field primary candidates, but there is no way congressional/senatorial elections start having an R and a T unless there is no dem in the field so it's safe.  The whole point of gerrymandering is to win lots of districts by relatively small margins (10 points) while the others win few districts by large margins (30+).  If they start letting the tea party syphon off votes you're looking at 250+ dems in congress.   Also a third party has absolutely no function/value in our political system other than to hurt one of the two big ones.

There is a growing number of Tea Party supporters who are adamant that both parties are "part of the problem" - they don't see it (as above) at all.
They are on a mission to unseat moderate/RINOs and, because they KNOW they are right, the math of "a third party generally does nothing but split the votes" never occurs to them.

The only encouraging thing i've seen is the assertion "I'd rather not vote, or vote for a right-leaning ( D ) than a RINO" - They, right now, really hate the republican party.

Sure there are always a small percentage that vote for fringe candidates (Nadir in 2000), but the vast majority who talk about both parties being the same and bad won't vote third party when they are in the booth, especially with the Kenyan Mooselim Marxist Hitler in the white house.


True
I am not sure we can consider the tea party "fringe" anymore - not now that they have enough congressional power to force a shut down, threaten default, gloat about it and poll with more popularity than before
Just saying
2013-10-19 10:47:10 AM  
1 votes:

Infernalist: Peter von Nostrand: I'm still amused these people really think the rise of the TP was grassroots. And here we thought the Romney campaign was full of the most deluded, out of touch people in America

It should be noted that the 'original' incarnation of the TP arose out of outrage and fury over the bank bailouts in 2008.  They were co-opted shortly thereafter by the GOP, but they weren't always the TP that you see now.  Their original outrage was focused on big business and big banks and how they got bailed out while many of them lost their savings and walked away with nothing.


Sounds more like OWS to me
2013-10-19 10:36:55 AM  
1 votes:
No true Republican would have sideburns like that. He might as well have a neck tattoo.
2013-10-19 10:32:54 AM  
1 votes:

parasol: ILostMyPassword: This tease has been going on for years.  Sure they will field primary candidates, but there is no way congressional/senatorial elections start having an R and a T unless there is no dem in the field so it's safe.  The whole point of gerrymandering is to win lots of districts by relatively small margins (10 points) while the others win few districts by large margins (30+).  If they start letting the tea party syphon off votes you're looking at 250+ dems in congress.   Also a third party has absolutely no function/value in our political system other than to hurt one of the two big ones.

There is a growing number of Tea Party supporters who are adamant that both parties are "part of the problem" - they don't see it (as above) at all.
They are on a mission to unseat moderate/RINOs and, because they KNOW they are right, the math of "a third party generally does nothing but split the votes" never occurs to them.

The only encouraging thing i've seen is the assertion "I'd rather not vote, or vote for a right-leaning ( D ) than a RINO" - They, right now, really hate the republican party.


Sure there are always a small percentage that vote for fringe candidates (Nadir in 2000), but the vast majority who talk about both parties being the same and bad won't vote third party when they are in the booth, especially with the Kenyan Mooselim Marxist Hitler in the white house.
2013-10-19 10:20:55 AM  
1 votes:

parasol: ILostMyPassword: This tease has been going on for years.  Sure they will field primary candidates, but there is no way congressional/senatorial elections start having an R and a T unless there is no dem in the field so it's safe.  The whole point of gerrymandering is to win lots of districts by relatively small margins (10 points) while the others win few districts by large margins (30+).  If they start letting the tea party syphon off votes you're looking at 250+ dems in congress.   Also a third party has absolutely no function/value in our political system other than to hurt one of the two big ones.

There is a growing number of Tea Party supporters who are adamant that both parties are "part of the problem" - they don't see it (as above) at all.
They are on a mission to unseat moderate/RINOs and, because they KNOW they are right, the math of "a third party generally does nothing but split the votes" never occurs to them.

The only encouraging thing i've seen is the assertion "I'd rather not vote, or vote for a right-leaning ( D ) than a RINO" - They, right now, really hate the republican party.


When they are all alone in the darkened abyss of the voting booth, they will be unable to follow-through with that request. The more honorable ones will pull the lever for the RINO, go home, get drunk, hate-fark their catamite one last time, and then hang themselves.
2013-10-19 10:12:51 AM  
1 votes:
i'd like to see each and every Republican stick their heads up their asses and then jump up.   course, many already have their heads up their asses, but haven't jumped up yet.


i'm hoping they would all then disappear.
2013-10-19 10:12:36 AM  
1 votes:

lilbjorn: Tea Party and Libertarians are the real RINOs.


www.bitlogic.com
2013-10-19 10:11:21 AM  
1 votes:

MFAWG: So why isn't there any fury pointed at the guy who signed the original bailout bill? It's like that never happened.


Because most of the fury came from the left and the six libertarians who showed up to protest were drowned out by the DOZENS of protesters from the left.
2013-10-19 10:08:50 AM  
1 votes:

Lsherm: MmmmBacon: lizyrd: MmmmBacon: I would love to see the National Republican Party disavow any so-called Tea Party member, and refuse to fund their re-election while steering extra funds towards moderate, pro-business Republicans to run against those TP politicians in their next Primary. Not just US Senators and Representatives, though... run against them on the State and even local level. Run those POS Tea Party anarchists out of office anywhere they are serving, and anywhere they hope to serve.

In Oregon we used to have an ultra-conservative third party called the Constitution Party. It was, for all intents and purposes, the Tea Party, just rebranded and run out on a national scale. In Oregon we voters have put those Constitution Party morans in a box, where they can't harm our government and absolutely can't win an election. The GOP should do the same with the Tea Party.

That's going to be painful in the short-term for the GOP. Hopefully, the party leadership decides to take a long view on the subject, as avoiding short-term losses is how the GOP has gotten to where it is. It may mean losing the House for a couple of Congresses, but what will emerge will be a more stable party with a realistic position on governance.

So far, gaining or maintaining a majority in Congress has been more important than maintaining control over the caucus. As long as the Republican Party throws its weight behind any nut running with an (R) next to his name, there will be long-term damage to the party. It all comes down to the GOP establishment willing to take some short-term losses to put the nuts in their place.

Exactly!

No - not exactly.  The tea party people win the primaries because the primary voters WANT them to win the primaries.  It's not a matter of funding anymore.  Pro-business money interests may be able to tackle a few tea party members from the left during the primaries, but not many.  The best they can hope for are rabidly right candidates who also have a strong pro-b ...


Assuming, of course, there was a primary that selected them. In VA, for example, Cuccinelli, Jackson, and Obenshain weren't picked by a primary.
2013-10-19 10:06:46 AM  
1 votes:

MmmmBacon: lizyrd: MmmmBacon: I would love to see the National Republican Party disavow any so-called Tea Party member, and refuse to fund their re-election while steering extra funds towards moderate, pro-business Republicans to run against those TP politicians in their next Primary. Not just US Senators and Representatives, though... run against them on the State and even local level. Run those POS Tea Party anarchists out of office anywhere they are serving, and anywhere they hope to serve.

In Oregon we used to have an ultra-conservative third party called the Constitution Party. It was, for all intents and purposes, the Tea Party, just rebranded and run out on a national scale. In Oregon we voters have put those Constitution Party morans in a box, where they can't harm our government and absolutely can't win an election. The GOP should do the same with the Tea Party.

That's going to be painful in the short-term for the GOP. Hopefully, the party leadership decides to take a long view on the subject, as avoiding short-term losses is how the GOP has gotten to where it is. It may mean losing the House for a couple of Congresses, but what will emerge will be a more stable party with a realistic position on governance.

So far, gaining or maintaining a majority in Congress has been more important than maintaining control over the caucus. As long as the Republican Party throws its weight behind any nut running with an (R) next to his name, there will be long-term damage to the party. It all comes down to the GOP establishment willing to take some short-term losses to put the nuts in their place.

Exactly!


No - not exactly.  The tea party people win the primaries because the primary voters WANT them to win the primaries.  It's not a matter of funding anymore.  Pro-business money interests may be able to tackle a few tea party members from the left during the primaries, but not many.  The best they can hope for are rabidly right candidates who also have a strong pro-business bent and hopefully more intelligence than the current crop of critters.  And once the primaries are over, the national party gets absolutely no benefit from letting a tea party candidate drift in the wind.  It just means there's going to be a Democrat taking the seat, and that's even worse.  At least a tea party congressman caucuses with the Republicans.
2013-10-19 09:57:53 AM  
1 votes:

DeaH: randomjsa: I have no idea how the far left radicals that have taken over the Democratic party manage to keep their moderates in line but it might be interesting if the far right faction of the Republicans could manage to do the same somehow.

Here's the secret: Centrists run the a Democratic Party.


Shhhhh!


You're talking to someone who just implied that America would be a better place if it was nothing but opposing fanatics.  Tread comically.
2013-10-19 09:45:38 AM  
1 votes:
www.libertynews.com
2013-10-19 09:38:17 AM  
1 votes:
img.fark.net
2013-10-19 09:36:52 AM  
1 votes:
And will the new, stand-alone tea party continue to vote Republican when there's no Tea Party candidate on the ballot? Because it sound like the same old thing to me.
2013-10-19 09:18:00 AM  
1 votes:
FTA-

"I think that's a real possibility because you're seeing this clash between the new generation and - to me, it's not just the old wing of the Republican Party versus the new wing - you're really seeing a disintermediation in politics. It's already happened with the Democratic Party," Kibbe said. "It's happening with the Republican Party now. And grassroots activists have an ability to self-organize, to fund candidates they're more interested in, going right around the Republican National Committee and senatorial committee."


You're quite right, Kibbe, that's EXACTLY why those SHEEPLE need to be awakened, and the ONLY way that can happen is with grassroots campaigning - not just for specific election campaigns, but continuously, starting immediately, for their awakening. I'm referring to non-partisan, ongoing campaigning to try to acquaint the SHEEPLE with such things as Civics, The Constitution and its amendments, the whole concept of a capitalistic Republic, etc.

We should be forming civic groups that; 1) go knocking on doors, 2) man phone banks, 3) email blasts inviting the SHEEPLE to meetings where those concepts can be presented.

I know for a fact that the Dems have been turning out en masse for years, doing this very thing, lying to the SHEEPLE and promising them unlimited freeloading at government (i.e. taxpayer) expense.

We need to follow the same plan, but, INSTEAD, TELL THEM THE TRUTH ABOUT THE REALITIES of a socialist government, and what will happen when the run out of OTHER PEOPLE'S money. I'm convinced that the SHEEPLE are too shortsighted to realize that, with the current government, WE ARE NOW, IN FACT, HEADING DOWN THE ROAD TO SOCIALISM, and that the Dems are sweeping the road ahead of us so that we don't stumble before we get there.

WE CAN accomplish this if we get the country's conservatives off dead center and unite to overcome this horrific trend. Individually, all we can do is talk the talk, but united we can start to walk the walk. I'm ready, willing and able - even at my age (81) - to pour whatever sweat equity I can into this endeavor. I've offered my grassroots management system for only my out-of-pocket costs. My retirement income is 50% below the poverty level for a family of two, so I'm not in a position to contribute financially, but my body and mind are strong and capable, so I can certainly contribute physically. Having been an IT professional for 55 years, I'm not without at least a modicum of technological ability.

Any takers??????
2013-10-19 08:02:24 AM  
1 votes:
I'm surprised it's only two parts. Next up: Libertarians vs. Neocons.
2013-10-19 07:10:29 AM  
1 votes:
Don't let the door hit you on the ass on the way out...
 
Displayed 144 of 144 comments

View Voting Results: Smartest and Funniest


This thread is closed to new comments.

Continue Farking
Submit a Link »
On Twitter





In Other Media


Report