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2013-10-19 01:44:43 PM

RexTalionis: What is up with that guy's sideburns? Do they recruit the douchiest looking people around or is it just that the douchiest looking people tend to be attracted to the Tea Party?

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Yes.  That is the douchenozzle from the night that the shutdown ended.  Paul Begala spelled out exactly how we ended up in the recession.  The douchenozzle with the crappy glasses and sideburns says "So basically it Bush's fault".  Begala emphatically replied "yes".  The Douchenozzle went with the tired talking point of libs only blame the current problems on Bush, Begala went with the truth.
 
2013-10-19 01:48:47 PM

parasol: There is a growing number of Tea Party supporters who are adamant that both parties are "part of the problem" - they don't see it (as above) at all.
They are on a mission to unseat moderate/RINOs and, because they KNOW they are right, the math of "a third party generally does nothing but split the votes" never occurs to them.


It's not even that. They know that third parties split the votes. They literally think they are a supermajority though. Talk to any Teabagger about their support and they think 90% of the country is with them, and that the only reason they lost the Senate and the Presidency is because the Democrats are voting 10 times each.

These people do not live in the real world.

There's an Asimov quote that I think perfectly sums up the Tea Party:

"There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that "my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge." - Issac Asimov
 
2013-10-19 01:51:27 PM
The breakdown of the GOP will most likely be 6 rather than just 2 parties.  The Sensible Party, the Slightly Silly Party, the Republican Party, the Silly Party, the Very Silly Party, and the Tea Party.
 
2013-10-19 01:51:45 PM
"As you know by now," Kibbe said in the video, "Mitch McConnell and John Boehner have partnered with Harry Reid to pass a blank check to the president on this budget fight. There is no reform of Obamacare, there's no defunding, there's no delays. Um...we lost."
He went on to say that the amount of vitriol directed at Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX), Heritage Action, FreedomWorks and other agitators for further shutdowns and a debt default indicates that, in fact, the far-right is winning the fight against Obamacare and asks that donors send money to fund the insurrection against moderate Republicans.


Wait...what?

FreedomWorks has had to take out a million dollar line of credit to meet its operating expenses

So, now they support raising the(ir) debt ceiling?
 
2013-10-19 01:52:45 PM

Brokenseas: They themselves may get relegated to third-party status


Almost happened in Colorado in 2010.  Republicans came close to being legally relegated to third party status because of Tancredo.
 
2013-10-19 01:54:09 PM

Joe Peanut: The breakdown of the GOP will most likely be 6 rather than just 2 parties.  The Sensible Party, the Slightly Silly Party, the Republican Party, the Silly Party, the Very Silly Party, and the Tea Party.


You forgot the Upper Class Twits.
 
2013-10-19 01:57:34 PM

Ego edo infantia cattus: [1389blog.com image 600x330]

To shreds you say...


<threadjack>That's a crazy picture. I hadn't heard the story behind it, so in case anyone else is curioushere's what wiki has to say, and here's some more pictures.</threadjack>
 
2013-10-19 01:58:29 PM

geek_mars: So, now they support raising the(ir) debt ceiling?


Bazinga!
 
2013-10-19 02:09:36 PM
Families Against Gay Society
 
2013-10-19 02:10:39 PM

readbot42: Notabunny: Notabunny: holeinthedonut: The new party will be named the Freedom America Patriot party   FAP for short

Party Of Opposing Patriots

Patriots Engaged In National Strategy

Citizens Opposing Carnal Knowledge


I actually want to name a liberal party the New American Progressive party.  Its slogan? "Wake up! Take a NAP!"
 
2013-10-19 02:28:14 PM

spelletrader: The entire TEA party strategy is nothing more than contrarianism. It's a Monty Python sketch brought to life in the worst way imaginable.


No it isn't.
 
2013-10-19 02:29:20 PM

spelletrader: The entire TEA party strategy is nothing more than contrarianism. It's a Monty Python sketch brought to life in the worst way imaginable.


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Good evening and welcome to Taxed Enough Already.

Tonight we have on the phone a man who says the Republican Party is going to split--with 3 buttocks.
 
2013-10-19 02:31:50 PM

Fuggin Bizzy: Ego edo infantia cattus: [1389blog.com image 600x330]

To shreds you say...

<threadjack>That's a crazy picture. I hadn't heard the story behind it, so in case anyone else is curioushere's what wiki has to say, and here's some more pictures.</threadjack>


Holy crap.

"The aft section sank on 27 June and the bow section, after having been destroyed by fire, on 11 July. "
 
2013-10-19 02:35:50 PM
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/Hurry up and split already!
//hot
 
2013-10-19 02:36:24 PM
The traditional controllers of GOP will consider whether the TP gains or loses them votes, and act on that.

If TP crazies look like alienating people who would otherwise vote R, then it will be in the RINOs interests to defeat any TP candidate, even if that means letting a Democrat win. So they will run a moderately conservative Independent R candidate and split the vote. Sacrifice 2014 to avoid a rout in 2016.

The TP seems intent on getting more extreme candidates into Congress. They will be even crazier than Cruz, and just as economically ignorant and dogmatic. (Default on debt is good because then nobody will lend to us so we will have to live within our means)

TP economics will harm the rich as well as everyone else. So it's in their interests to emasculate the TP.

And perhaps Fox News advertisers will have second thoughts about supporting the people who are whipping up the TP sheep.
 
2013-10-19 02:46:09 PM
I would be happier if each member of the GOP were split in two. I mean, they are all so enormously, hugely, stupidly obese (probably as a result of all the inbreeding) that each half would be the same size as a normal American. Of course, Republicans have so little in the way of higher cognitive functions that each half would likely continue to moving for a few minutes after being bisected. Just like comparatively higher life-forms like earthworms and planaria.
 
2013-10-19 02:47:08 PM

lilbjorn: Tea Party and Libertarians are the real RINOs.


Because real Republicans want to re-institute the rule of the robber barons?
 
2013-10-19 02:52:21 PM
Judean People's Front?
 
2013-10-19 02:52:54 PM

Tremolo: olddeegee: ghare: olddeegee: In the long run, I think it will make the "new" Republican party hard to beat. Get rid of the extremists and they would attract a large amount of conservative leaning Dems. That would leave an extreme left party, an extreme right, and a middle of the road GOP.

Are you seriously trying to say you think modern Democrats are "extreme left?"  Because that is, like, laughable.

A segment of them are. Not all. The centrist voters in the party will go to a more moderate party to avoid the extreme left of the party.

If you think this country has seen anything resembling an extreme left in the last two decades you're out of your farking mind. "A segment?" Give me a break. Regular republicans differ from TP's only in that they're less inclined to intentionally crash the economy.


You see, he's got to be able to justify his belief that both sides are, in fact, bad.
 
2013-10-19 02:53:36 PM
It was my understanding that the Tea Party was more of a seal of approval rather than an actual party.  An American with the "Tea Party seal of approval" would become a Real American™
 
2013-10-19 02:54:14 PM
People threaten this shiat all the time. It never happens. It never will. The Teatards will grudgingly accept that the GOP is the only vehicle through which they have any chance whatsoever to influence national politics, and they will spend all of their time and effort wrestling for control of it.

The only way a third party could ever actually form in this country would be if the Democrats moved to the left and moderates in both parties were to concertedly meet in the middle and schism off into a centrist party. Neither party would ever allow itself to split asymmetrically. They would immediately lose every election by splitting votes.
 
2013-10-19 02:55:49 PM
Also, there are quite a few places in this country that do not even have Democrats running in elections.  This needs to change.
 
2013-10-19 02:57:37 PM
What's funny is that even in his own comments are seeds of a further split. He talks of taking the Teahadis back from the "overdemocratized" faction that has control of it now (Armey) and challenging the republicans who had the temerity to work with the democrats.

They really are going to wind up like the People's Front of Judea at this rate.
 
2013-10-19 02:57:48 PM

Satanic_Hamster: Tremolo: olddeegee: ghare: olddeegee: In the long run, I think it will make the "new" Republican party hard to beat. Get rid of the extremists and they would attract a large amount of conservative leaning Dems. That would leave an extreme left party, an extreme right, and a middle of the road GOP.

Are you seriously trying to say you think modern Democrats are "extreme left?"  Because that is, like, laughable.

A segment of them are. Not all. The centrist voters in the party will go to a more moderate party to avoid the extreme left of the party.

If you think this country has seen anything resembling an extreme left in the last two decades you're out of your farking mind. "A segment?" Give me a break. Regular republicans differ from TP's only in that they're less inclined to intentionally crash the economy.

You see, he's got to be able to justify his belief that both sides are, in fact, bad.


Due to sickness, tonight the part of "extreme left" will be played by "anyone more than the Planck interval left of Bill Clinton".
 
2013-10-19 03:00:38 PM

Britney Spear's Speculum: Also, there are quite a few places in this country that do not even have Democrats running in elections.  This needs to change.


Yes. And the message in many places would be so simple. A list of what the R's have done to the detriment of the people in the area, follow-upped by "Is this what your really voted for?"
 
2013-10-19 03:05:48 PM

simplicimus: Britney Spear's Speculum: Also, there are quite a few places in this country that do not even have Democrats running in elections.  This needs to change.

Yes. And the message in many places would be so simple. A list of what the R's have done to the detriment of the people in the area, follow-upped by "Is this what your really voted for?"


Umm...follow-upped?
 
2013-10-19 03:07:53 PM
Will someone please tell me why all of the people I have highlighted as trolls have stopped posting?  It's really eerie.
 
2013-10-19 03:08:22 PM

MFAWG: Notabunny: Notabunny: holeinthedonut: The new party will be named the Freedom America Patriot party   FAP for short

Party Of Opposing Patriots

Patriots Engaged In National Strategy

I think you mean:

Patriots Engaging National Interest Strategies.


Perhaps, but I kinda like it better misspelled. It implies that they couldn't even cock up correctly.
 
2013-10-19 03:19:19 PM

cameroncrazy1984: simplicimus: Britney Spear's Speculum: Also, there are quite a few places in this country that do not even have Democrats running in elections.  This needs to change.

Yes. And the message in many places would be so simple. A list of what the R's have done to the detriment of the people in the area, follow-upped by "Is this what your really voted for?"

Umm...follow-upped?


Ok, followed by.
 
2013-10-19 03:19:38 PM
FreedomWorks has had to take out a million dollar line of credit to meet its operating expenses

So the Teabaggers raised their own debt ceiling. Farking hypocrites.

Damn Teabaggers.
 
2013-10-19 03:24:23 PM

ImpendingCynic: Lsherm: At least a tea party congressman caucuses with the Republicans.

You clearly were not paying the slightest bit of attention to what happened the past few weeks.


I should have added a sometimes, but the tea party morons are still a more reliable ally than a Democrat.  That's how the party system is designed.
 
2013-10-19 03:30:41 PM
The split will be official as soon as the Anarchist stationary, web site, and rules of governance are voted and accepted by each corporate sponsor.
 
2013-10-19 03:42:13 PM

Dave and the Mission: Will someone please tell me why all of the people I have highlighted as trolls have stopped posting?  It's really eerie.


They're out "traveling"?
 
2013-10-19 04:04:02 PM

UndeadPoetsSociety: hubiestubert:

And we see how well this has worked. Damn the leadership for using this "strategy" and sadly, the country is going reap what that've sown for years to come, because folks forgot what Conservatism was, and just figured rebranding it to "whatever we say it is this week" would have zero consequences...

Sorry Hubie.  You, yourself, are pretty reasonable, but the 'true conservatism' you constantly mourn for is a chimera; it never existed.  This is Conservatism, and always has been.  What Conservatives want to conserve is the privileges of the already privileged, and nothing else.


You have to remember, I went to school with Dean Chambers. UMF, back in the day. Even in those days, we knew the boy wasn't right. Even in those days, he refused to work on Olympia Snowe's campaign because she wasn't "Right enough." Mind you, this is after her vote against NAFTA and it was the right vote for Maine, and that is why I stayed Republican for so many years: because someone has to vote FOR the sane folk.

That a horribly damaged human like Dean STILL allows himself to be used poorly so he can imagine he has a seat at the Cool Kids table is sort of sad. Sadder is when the Young Republicans hosted Mitt a few times while he was involved with the UMaine Board, as well as our Student Government and my fraternity was represented at these dinners, Dean was already a fawning 'yard while the rest of us had some fairly hard questions about the money we were putting into the UMaine system and its future.

I came out of that Maineiac tradition of Conservatism, and the TEAhaddis are making inroads--Maine sends either sensible Representatives or Dyed In Tge Wool Crazies--the GOP in Maine has too much area to cover to give too much credence to the Crazy Train.

Certainly not immune, but Mainers tend to look to Congresscritters to do a job, rather than massage their feelings, and that is really what tge TEA Party is about: making people feel like thay're doing SOMETHING as opposed to doing something USEFUL...
 
2013-10-19 04:06:35 PM
"[H]e said that if the party loses in the 2016 elections it could well split into hostile factions, 'a moderate party and a conservative party.'"

Here is the problem. The repubs are not threatening to split into a a moderate party and a conservative party. They are threatening to split into a conservative party and a reactionary party. Repub "moderates" are actually conservatives. Repub "conservatives" are, bluntly, fascists. The right wing has succeeded in pushing all our political definitions one notch to the right. It's confusing to everyone else in the world, where conservatives are people who want to keep things the way they are, not send us all back to the 1950's. Extreme right wing parties in places like Greece and France freely admit to admiring the Nazis and like to dress up in jackboots and Sam Browne belts. Here they prefer three cornered hats and silk stockings.
 
2013-10-19 04:08:41 PM
I voted Republican most of my life. I grew in a family, that was smaller more efficient government, not a crippled and lamed government. Abortion should be regulated closely but not at all prohibited. Food stamps, medicare, medicaid, and social security were necessary to the welfare of the least fortunate, but needed to be better managed. We had friends who were gay and never was it thought that they shouldn't have enjoy the protection of the law for their rights and property.

Since Obama however my sister and I, I feel, have stayed towards the center of the spectrum, arguing that as the economic and income disparity situation has worsened, more government intervention was needed to correct the situation and restore some sort of economic balance. Although I was initially against Obamacare, now that I see my parents doing well under Medicare, and collecting Social Security, I don't see why I should be excluded from having affordable healthcare because I haven't reached a certain age.

i voted for McCain against Obama but couldn't even bring myself to vote in the last election I was so disillusioned. I couldn't quite bring myself to vote Democrat but I REALLY didn't want to vote for Romney, or any other Republican candidate as I felt that the party was taking a bad turn. Next election I fully intend on making my small paltry voice heard by voting a straight Democrat slate (allowed under my state's voting laws).

I like the idea of less taxes, if practical, and more efficient government, but the Republican Party under the Teahadists isn't about that anymore. They're playing class warfare in reverse. They want to tax the poor and destroy any semblance of a social safety net in this country. They claim to be libertarian but what they really mean is "You're free to do whatever you want as long as it makes you look, act, and sound like me and my ever abiding love of an angry, vengeful God and his son Jesus who actually wanted you to hate everyone not his followers". They claim to be pro-gun rights, but really they're pro-fear the government and its minority hordes, here support the CEOs of the firearms industry.

I was always raised to believe that less government meant less interference and therefore more rights for everyone, but the Teahdists have seriously turned me off that idea when watching them try to put that idea into practice. I would hope the GOP would jettison these tools, but they won't. Every moderate like myself will be jettisoned from the party. I actually was jettisoned because I was actually working for them and said nice things about liberals and equal rights for homosexuals, since again in my mind at the time, the Republican Party should have been about more rights for people, it was just the government getting in the way right? Its up to the Democrats now to absorb every center-right Republican like myself and then split, because the Republican Party has in truth already passed that point a long time ago.
 
2013-10-19 04:25:55 PM

Dave and the Mission: Will someone please tell me why all of the people I have highlighted as trolls have stopped posting?  It's really eerie.


I'm missing 17 posts from this thread with the filter on.  But yes, it has been strangely quiet.  You would think that the absolutely humiliating defeat the democrats suffered at the hands of the republicans would have the usual shills out in force to gloat.
 
2013-10-19 04:26:25 PM
I'll bet the Tea Partiers did nazi that coming.
 
2013-10-19 04:26:36 PM

Tommy Moo: People threaten this shiat all the time. It never happens. It never will. The Teatards will grudgingly accept that the GOP is the only vehicle through which they have any chance whatsoever to influence national politics, and they will spend all of their time and effort wrestling for control of it.

The only way a third party could ever actually form in this country would be if the Democrats moved to the left and moderates in both parties were to concertedly meet in the middle and schism off into a centrist party. Neither party would ever allow itself to split asymmetrically. They would immediately lose every election by splitting votes.


It has happened before.  One party always dies off and leaves 2 again.  Our system of elections basically guarantees that only 2 major parties exist over the long-term, but in the short term it can and has happened.
 
2013-10-19 04:31:55 PM

Lsherm: I should have added a sometimes, but the tea party morons are still a more reliable ally than a Democrat.


Sure, since it's hard to tell the difference between Tea Party and your standard GOP crazy.
 
2013-10-19 04:33:27 PM

Thank You Black Jesus!: Dave and the Mission: Will someone please tell me why all of the people I have highlighted as trolls have stopped posting?  It's really eerie.

I'm missing 17 posts from this thread with the filter on.  But yes, it has been strangely quiet.  You would think that the absolutely humiliating defeat the democrats suffered at the hands of the republicans would have the usual shills out in force to gloat.


Maybe Drew stopped paying em... or they got so derpy he had to cut off the Makers Mark supply line.
 
2013-10-19 04:41:44 PM

NickelP: In history you always hear about how propaganda was used by the italians/nazi's in ww2 (not to mention many before them) to get folks to do things that they generally wouldn't otherwise support.  I wonder how the current events will be viewed.


Little late in the thread, but read "Origins of Totalitarianism." The only difference at this point between us and Nazi Germany is the charismatic leader--Ted Cruz seems to be the man for the job at this point, but we'll see what happens in January--and the willy-nilly punishments that target innocents and guilty alike, though you could easily point to overreaching police departments and the NSA here. We even have the economic issues.

I'd like to think of the TP as a failed totalitarian movement, but I don't think they're done yet. Avoiding default was a major blow, but there are still a few steps left that could be ugly. I also hold to the view that the purpose of the shutdown/default was just to see if they could; to ask "Why did you shut down the government?" is a ridiculous question, because that was the goal.

I'm sure they are now in the process of telling their echo chamber that see, it wasn't that bad when the gov't was shutdown, and it won't be that bad when we shut it down permanently!

/if someone pulls a citation for this I'm going to give myself a concussion with all the headdesking
 
2013-10-19 04:44:45 PM

MmmmBacon: I would love to see the National Republican Party disavow any so-called Tea Party member, and refuse to fund their re-election while steering extra funds towards moderate, pro-business Republicans to run against those TP politicians in their next Primary. Not just US Senators and Representatives, though... run against them on the State and even local level. Run those POS Tea Party anarchists out of office anywhere they are serving, and anywhere they hope to serve.

In Oregon we used to have an ultra-conservative third party called the Constitution Party. It was, for all intents and purposes, the Tea Party, just rebranded and run out on a national scale. In Oregon we voters have put those Constitution Party morans in a box, where they can't harm our government and absolutely can't win an election. The GOP should do the same with the Tea Party.


Agreed.
 
2013-10-19 04:57:38 PM
"The extremism of our own age-Tea Party extremism-"contaminates the whole Republican brand," as David Frum has . And he's right. But Tea Party extremism is not, as this implies, a betrayal of the party's belief system. It is, instead, a crystallization, a highly potent concentrate, of the party's belief system. The free-market dogmatism, the tax-cut catechism, the abhorrence of nuance and science and government and fact-these did not bubble up during town-hall meetings in 2010 but flow from the same deep well from which establishment Republicans like Mitch McConnell (Goldwaterites, all) have long been drinking. Frum and other sensible conservatives yearn for a Tea Party exit-maybe even an expulsion-from the G.O.P. But it cannot be expelled, because in this case the parasite is a creation-in some ways a perfection-of the host organism itself. "

From here:

http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/newsdesk/2013/10/the-gops-phan to m-schism.html
 
2013-10-19 05:05:55 PM

Peki: NickelP: In history you always hear about how propaganda was used by the italians/nazi's in ww2 (not to mention many before them) to get folks to do things that they generally wouldn't otherwise support.  I wonder how the current events will be viewed.

Little late in the thread, but read "Origins of Totalitarianism." The only difference at this point between us and Nazi Germany is the charismatic leader--Ted Cruz seems to be the man for the job at this point, but we'll see what happens in January--and the willy-nilly punishments that target innocents and guilty alike, though you could easily point to overreaching police departments and the NSA here. We even have the economic issues.

I'd like to think of the TP as a failed totalitarian movement, but I don't think they're done yet. Avoiding default was a major blow, but there are still a few steps left that could be ugly. I also hold to the view that the purpose of the shutdown/default was just to see if they could; to ask "Why did you shut down the government?" is a ridiculous question, because that was the goal.

I'm sure they are now in the process of telling their echo chamber that see, it wasn't that bad when the gov't was shutdown, and it won't be that bad when we shut it down permanently!

/if someone pulls a citation for this I'm going to give myself a concussion with all the headdesking


I agree with most of that.  I don't think them losing this debate helped their cause, but not sure its the end of them either.  Hell hitler got his ass shot down hard and sent to jail and came back.  I'm not ready to say cruz is hitler but I doubt the tp just fades into the night because this lost this fight.  If anything it probably makes them stronger and forces the issue internally (of the gop).
 
2013-10-19 05:06:55 PM

Peki: NickelP: In history you always hear about how propaganda was used by the italians/nazi's in ww2 (not to mention many before them) to get folks to do things that they generally wouldn't otherwise support.  I wonder how the current events will be viewed.

Little late in the thread, but read "Origins of Totalitarianism." The only difference at this point between us and Nazi Germany is the charismatic leader--Ted Cruz seems to be the man for the job at this point, but we'll see what happens in January--and the willy-nilly punishments that target innocents and guilty alike, though you could easily point to overreaching police departments and the NSA here. We even have the economic issues.

I'd like to think of the TP as a failed totalitarian movement, but I don't think they're done yet. Avoiding default was a major blow, but there are still a few steps left that could be ugly. I also hold to the view that the purpose of the shutdown/default was just to see if they could; to ask "Why did you shut down the government?" is a ridiculous question, because that was the goal.

I'm sure they are now in the process of telling their echo chamber that see, it wasn't that bad when the gov't was shutdown, and it won't be that bad when we shut it down permanently!

/if someone pulls a citation for this I'm going to give myself a concussion with all the headdesking


fyi I have notifications on.  I generally always respond to people responding to me, so don't ever feel likes its too late.  I am always up for thoughtful discussion.
 
2013-10-19 05:19:14 PM

hubiestubert: Conservatism


I always take care to read your posts as well sir, but you didn't really speak to UndeadPoetsSociety's assertion that Conservatism is merely a tool to preserve the privileges of the privileged.

While I concede that it's any free persons right to be a conservative person in manner, lifestyle or finance ... Conservatism with a capital C is invariably seized on by those in positions of financial and political power as a tool to maintain the status quo.

Political Conservatism is a particularly poor tool to wield in the face of such a rapidly changing world.

America has to adapt or whither and liberalism is a potent force in times such as these.

While I can respect how a Maine republican could come to look at the world as you do ... with all due respect I think you're actually a pretty liberal dude.

/it's all relative
 
2013-10-19 05:25:26 PM

spelletrader: The entire TEA party strategy is nothing more than contrarianism. It's a Monty Python sketch brought to life in the worst way imaginable.


i647.photobucket.com

I agree.

Also, I think that guy is so far in the closet that he found the sweater his aunt gave him for Christmas 1972.
 
2013-10-19 05:34:03 PM

Al Hashshashin: Political Conservatism is a particularly poor tool to wield in the face of such a rapidly changing world.


It doesn't even have a definition. As Rush Limbaugh advocated the most gas-guzzling car as a symbol of conservatism, the definition has died -- first being hijacked ransomed then executed.

The use of the term seems to be more about a fear of ;the future -- being overrun by "others" and a by-all-means-possible attempt to shore up the castle walls, with democracy seen as a ticking time-bomb that is not yet seen as dangerous enough to kill.
 
2013-10-19 05:46:11 PM
the tea party is just the GOP's "Tourette's syndrome" excuse for behaving badly.
 
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