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2013-10-19 12:07:32 PM

Fart_Machine: Who is going to bankroll them if that happens?


img.photobucket.com
 
2013-10-19 12:07:59 PM
Aaaand it seems the paid shills have finished their vacation.

/ god bless ignore
 
2013-10-19 12:08:04 PM

randomjsa: I have no idea how the far left radicals that have taken over the Democratic party manage to keep their moderates in line but it might be interesting if the far right faction of the Republicans could manage to do the same somehow.


I want to respect you, for having an independent and consistent opinion that you're not afraid to voice.

But you're f*cking deluding yourself if you think that the American Democrat party is left-wing, nevermind left-wing radical. At the very utmost of lefty-ness on scale that does not start from 0 = Catholicism to 10 = devout Islamic, the Democrats are centrist.

If you're gonna use the scale I suggested, then yeah, Democrats are left-wing radicals, the Conservatives rate a 3 and the TEA party rates an 8.
 
2013-10-19 12:09:13 PM

simplicimus: Mugato: simplicimus: Mugato: Infernalist: t should be noted that the 'original' incarnation of the TP arose out of outrage and fury over the bank bailouts in 2008.

Strange that we didn't hear a peep from them until Obama was elected, even though Bush started the bailouts.

No, I remember some CNBC market floor walker losing his shiat on air and calling for another Tea Party during the Bush bailout.

Not sure if serious.......

I'm talking about the Tea Party coming out with massive protests with racists signs and vague threats about an armed revolution. That shiat didn't happen until Obama was elected and they started attributing to him the ball that Bush got rolling years before. And I won't even bother getting started with Fox News.

Serious, but the CNBC guy wasn't talking about forming a political party, more like a Howard Beale moment on air.


To be fair the Tea Party existed as far back as 2007 but it was a small group of Paultards and Fair Taxers.  GOP strategists stole the idea and bankrolled the AstroTurf movement we're seeing now.
 
2013-10-19 12:13:17 PM

Fart_Machine: To be fair the Tea Party existed as far back as 2007


I understand that but no one really heard from them until Obama was elected and they started protesting him for what the white guy  Bush started. And complaining about taxes that were lower than had been in years.
 
2013-10-19 12:17:04 PM
The new party will be named the Freedom America Patriot party   FAP for short
 
2013-10-19 12:18:34 PM

Mugato: Fart_Machine: To be fair the Tea Party existed as far back as 2007

I understand that but no one really heard from them until Obama was elected and they started protesting him for what the white guy  Bush started. And complaining about taxes that were lower than had been in years.


I find it entertaining that the Republicans forwarded their anti-abortion and voter suppression agenda by co-opting the teabaggers, but now the teabagters are revolting.
 
2013-10-19 12:19:53 PM

holeinthedonut: The new party will be named the Freedom America Patriot party   FAP for short


Party Of Opposing Patriots
 
2013-10-19 12:21:02 PM

simplicimus: Mugato: simplicimus: Mugato: Infernalist: t should be noted that the 'original' incarnation of the TP arose out of outrage and fury over the bank bailouts in 2008.

Strange that we didn't hear a peep from them until Obama was elected, even though Bush started the bailouts.

No, I remember some CNBC market floor walker losing his shiat on air and calling for another Tea Party during the Bush bailout.

Not sure if serious.......

I'm talking about the Tea Party coming out with massive protests with racists signs and vague threats about an armed revolution. That shiat didn't happen until Obama was elected and they started attributing to him the ball that Bush got rolling years before. And I won't even bother getting started with Fox News.

Serious, but the CNBC guy wasn't talking about forming a political party, more like a Howard Beale moment on air.



It was Rick Santelli.  He shouted to a bunch of his rich, white, CBOE colleagues "Do you want to pay your neighbors' morgage?" and when his rich, white colleagues all shouted "hell no" he yelled "What we need is a good, old-fashioned tea party."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcvSjKCU_Zo

Rick Santelli, Joe Kernan, and the rest CNBC can EABOS.  They are worthless as a financial news network.  Bloomberg is legit.
 
2013-10-19 12:21:55 PM

SirVagTheTighty: FTA-

"I think that's a real possibility because you're seeing this clash between the new generation and - to me, it's not just the old wing of the Republican Party versus the new wing - you're really seeing a disintermediation in politics. It's already happened with the Democratic Party," Kibbe said. "It's happening with the Republican Party now. And grassroots activists have an ability to self-organize, to fund candidates they're more interested in, going right around the Republican National Committee and senatorial committee."

You're quite right, Kibbe, that's EXACTLY why those SHEEPLE need to be awakened, and the ONLY way that can happen is with grassroots campaigning - not just for specific election campaigns, but continuously, starting immediately, for their awakening. I'm referring to non-partisan, ongoing campaigning to try to acquaint the SHEEPLE with such things as Civics, The Constitution and its amendments, the whole concept of a capitalistic Republic, etc.

We should be forming civic groups that; 1) go knocking on doors, 2) man phone banks, 3) email blasts inviting the SHEEPLE to meetings where those concepts can be presented.

I know for a fact that the Dems have been turning out en masse for years, doing this very thing, lying to the SHEEPLE and promising them unlimited freeloading at government (i.e. taxpayer) expense.

We need to follow the same plan, but, INSTEAD, TELL THEM THE TRUTH ABOUT THE REALITIES of a socialist government, and what will happen when the run out of OTHER PEOPLE'S money. I'm convinced that the SHEEPLE are too shortsighted to realize that, with the current government, WE ARE NOW, IN FACT, HEADING DOWN THE ROAD TO SOCIALISM, and that the Dems are sweeping the road ahead of us so that we don't stumble before we get there.

WE CAN accomplish this if we get the country's conservatives off dead center and unite to overcome this horrific trend. Individually, all we can do is talk the talk, but united we can start to walk the walk. I' ...


Now you've done it...
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2013-10-19 12:22:04 PM

Notabunny: holeinthedonut: The new party will be named the Freedom America Patriot party   FAP for short

Party Of Opposing Patriots


Patriots Engaged In National Strategy
 
2013-10-19 12:24:45 PM

olddeegee: ghare: olddeegee: In the long run, I think it will make the "new" Republican party hard to beat. Get rid of the extremists and they would attract a large amount of conservative leaning Dems. That would leave an extreme left party, an extreme right, and a middle of the road GOP.

Are you seriously trying to say you think modern Democrats are "extreme left?"  Because that is, like, laughable.

A segment of them are. Not all. The centrist voters in the party will go to a more moderate party to avoid the extreme left of the party.


That hasn't happened since Reagan, and he's dead.
 
2013-10-19 12:26:47 PM

drewbob21: Rick Santelli, Joe Kernan, and the rest CNBC can EABOS.  They are worthless as a financial news network.  Bloomberg is legit.


But Cramer is invaluable as long as you do the opposite of what he recommends.
 
2013-10-19 12:28:06 PM

Notabunny: Notabunny: holeinthedonut: The new party will be named the Freedom America Patriot party   FAP for short

Party Of Opposing Patriots

Patriots Engaged In National Strategy


Citizens Opposing Carnal Knowledge
 
2013-10-19 12:28:38 PM
I FIND PEOPLE WHO WRITE IN ALLCAPS ARE VERY SENSIBLE.

PLEASE CONTINUE TO TELL ME MORE ABOUT YOUR PHILOSOPHY, RELIGION, GOLD COINS OR POLITICS AND HOW I CAN CONTRIBUTE MONEY TO THIS ENDEAVOR.
 
2013-10-19 12:31:09 PM
Let me know when Fox news starts putting a (T) next to their names instead of a (D) when they do something stupid or illegal.
 
2013-10-19 12:32:02 PM

readbot42: Notabunny: Notabunny: holeinthedonut: The new party will be named the Freedom America Patriot party   FAP for short

Party Of Opposing Patriots

Patriots Engaged In National Strategy

Citizens Opposing Carnal Knowledge


Citizens Restoring American Prosperity
 
2013-10-19 12:35:37 PM
GOP = Gay Old Politicians.

Seriously.. just put a twink on a leash and accept yourself, you curmudgeons!
 
2013-10-19 12:37:25 PM
It would be interesting what would their size of the vote would be.

I'm guessing much smaller than they think. I'd suspect 95% of Republican voters when offered an actual choice would vote Republican. We're not talking just the cohort who vote in Primaries here.
 
2013-10-19 12:37:47 PM

Notabunny: Notabunny: holeinthedonut: The new party will be named the Freedom America Patriot party   FAP for short

Party Of Opposing Patriots

Patriots Engaged In National Strategy


I think you mean:

Patriots Engaging National Interest Strategies.
 
2013-10-19 12:40:40 PM

TheWhoppah: This split will allow the 'Cons a chance to push all the crazy folks into a marginal party so they can move to the center an act like adults.

Its exactly like what the Green Party does for the Dems...


Except the Dems haven't been dependent on Green Party voters since 1980.

This split goes deeper than Tea Party/Mainstream Republican.  This split cuts to the heart of the Repub's Southern Strategy.  This split is the logical endgame of the Southern Strategy.

Since Reagan, the Repubs have been courting conservative rural voters.  It has been the backbone of whatever electoral success they have had in the last 30 years.  If they ditch rural conservativism, which is what the Tea Party essentially represents, the Republican Party might not just lose a few elections.  They themselves may get relegated to third-party status.
 
2013-10-19 12:41:18 PM

MFAWG: olddeegee: ghare: olddeegee: In the long run, I think it will make the "new" Republican party hard to beat. Get rid of the extremists and they would attract a large amount of conservative leaning Dems. That would leave an extreme left party, an extreme right, and a middle of the road GOP.

Are you seriously trying to say you think modern Democrats are "extreme left?"  Because that is, like, laughable.

A segment of them are. Not all. The centrist voters in the party will go to a more moderate party to avoid the extreme left of the party.

That hasn't happened since Reagan, and he's dead.


His movies sucked or at least the ones I've seen sucked. How the fark did he keep getting parts in movies?
 
2013-10-19 12:42:30 PM

Lee Jackson Beauregard: randomjsa: far left radicals that have taken over the Democratic party

DRINK!


Waaaaay ahead of you, my friend.
 
2013-10-19 12:43:32 PM

Brokenseas: TheWhoppah: This split will allow the 'Cons a chance to push all the crazy folks into a marginal party so they can move to the center an act like adults.

Its exactly like what the Green Party does for the Dems...

Except the Dems haven't been dependent on Green Party voters since 1980.

This split goes deeper than Tea Party/Mainstream Republican.  This split cuts to the heart of the Repub's Southern Strategy.  This split is the logical endgame of the Southern Strategy.

Since Reagan, the Repubs have been courting conservative rural voters.  It has been the backbone of whatever electoral success they have had in the last 30 years.  If they ditch rural conservativism, which is what the Tea Party essentially represents, the Republican Party might not just lose a few elections.  They themselves may get relegated to third-party status.


They won't be anything near 3rd party status. They may be knee-capped from ever winning the Whitehouse of either House for a long time, but they'll still have 10 or 20 times the support base that an independent Tea Party would.
 
2013-10-19 12:44:39 PM

A Terrible Human: MFAWG: olddeegee: ghare: olddeegee: In the long run, I think it will make the "new" Republican party hard to beat. Get rid of the extremists and they would attract a large amount of conservative leaning Dems. That would leave an extreme left party, an extreme right, and a middle of the road GOP.

Are you seriously trying to say you think modern Democrats are "extreme left?"  Because that is, like, laughable.

A segment of them are. Not all. The centrist voters in the party will go to a more moderate party to avoid the extreme left of the party.

That hasn't happened since Reagan, and he's dead.

His movies sucked or at least the ones I've seen sucked. How the fark did he keep getting parts in movies?


Being the head of Americas largest and most powerful entertainment industry union helped alot.
 
2013-10-19 12:44:57 PM

dsmith42: heavymetal:

Now that the GOP establishment handlers put in place by the Koch Brothers ( Matt Kibbe, Dick Armey, Jack Kemp, and C. Boyden Gray) were ousted and people like "sideburn boy" replaced them; the revenue sources are drying up.

Matt Kibbe is "sideburn boy."


I'm reading that with an emphasis on "is" and a dramatic pause before "sideburn boy"

American politics is hilarious when there is no imminent danger of spiteful ignorami crippling the world economy
 
2013-10-19 12:46:39 PM

Cyrus the Mediocre: This is just the end of Act 2 in "Romance of the Republican"

The Republican exorcised his psychotic inner demon, then the Tea Party corporealized and began to wreak havoc in the nation.  After nearly killing the Economy, our Republican hero must work with his old nemesis, the Democrat, in order to rid the world of this derp-demon.


Is this like the end of Evil Dead 2 where they had to summon the Candarian demon fully into the world so that they could banish it?  I need my political discourse placed into the proper modern-media context.
 
2013-10-19 12:48:14 PM
Good, conservatives, good.

Thrash around in your blind rage that a black man... I mean socialist in charge can do a good job.

Next up, women.

The more you scream and bite, the more everybody sees right to your heart. The more you lose people who just won't put up with your shiat anymore.

Too extreme isn't extreme enough! Octuple down! There're no limits! You are America! Destroy America to save it!
Party before Country! Party before Country!  Party before Country!
 
2013-10-19 12:49:19 PM

MmmmBacon: I would love to see the National Republican Party disavow any so-called Tea Party member, and refuse to fund their re-election while steering extra funds towards moderate, pro-business Republicans to run against those TP politicians in their next Primary. Not just US Senators and Representatives, though... run against them on the State and even local level. Run those POS Tea Party anarchists out of office anywhere they are serving, and anywhere they hope to serve.

In Oregon we used to have an ultra-conservative third party called the Constitution Party. It was, for all intents and purposes, the Tea Party, just rebranded and run out on a national scale. In Oregon we voters have put those Constitution Party morans in a box, where they can't harm our government and absolutely can't win an election. The GOP should do the same with the Tea Party.


not going to happen. the tea party won't denounce the moderate rino party either. there is a method to the madness. it's to move the party further to the right while giving the moderates plausible deniability.
 
2013-10-19 12:52:17 PM

MFAWG: Notabunny: Notabunny: holeinthedonut: The new party will be named the Freedom America Patriot party   FAP for short

Party Of Opposing Patriots

Patriots Engaged In National Strategy

I think you mean:

Patriots Engaging National Interest Strategies.


I love a good beer buzz early in the morning
 
2013-10-19 12:53:39 PM

MFAWG: Notabunny: Notabunny: holeinthedonut: The new party will be named the Freedom America Patriot party   FAP for short

Party Of Opposing Patriots

Patriots Engaged In National Strategy

I think you mean:

Patriots Engaging National Interest Strategies.


i1.ytimg.com

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92KFhrIrgyY
 
2013-10-19 12:53:52 PM

A Terrible Human: MFAWG: olddeegee: ghare: olddeegee: In the long run, I think it will make the "new" Republican party hard to beat. Get rid of the extremists and they would attract a large amount of conservative leaning Dems. That would leave an extreme left party, an extreme right, and a middle of the road GOP.

Are you seriously trying to say you think modern Democrats are "extreme left?"  Because that is, like, laughable.

A segment of them are. Not all. The centrist voters in the party will go to a more moderate party to avoid the extreme left of the party.

That hasn't happened since Reagan, and he's dead.

His movies sucked or at least the ones I've seen sucked. How the fark did he keep getting parts in movies?


He showed up and knew his lines. It was a very different business in those days.
 
2013-10-19 12:54:26 PM

Notabunny: MFAWG: Notabunny: Notabunny: holeinthedonut: The new party will be named the Freedom America Patriot party   FAP for short

Party Of Opposing Patriots

Patriots Engaged In National Strategy

I think you mean:

Patriots Engaging National Interest Strategies.

I love a good beer buzz early in the morning


Small bowl and 2 screwdrivers with breakfast, and I'm not talking about a bowl of oatmeal here.
 
2013-10-19 12:55:59 PM

Notabunny: but now the teabagters are revolting.


You said it. They stink on ice.


/oblig
 
2013-10-19 12:56:15 PM

DontBeSoDigital: [campaignrhetoric.files.wordpress.com image 298x343]


static03.mediaite.com

Come at me bro!
 
2013-10-19 12:57:33 PM
By gosh, I want them to do it, I want them to run a GOP alternative, someone a little more committed to the President Madagascar theory of governing, in every state, in every house race. Frankly, as a liberal, there's nothing I'd like more than seeing the TEA Party split the votes.
 
2013-10-19 12:57:40 PM
I really wish we'd just nuke the so called "Grand Old Party."

There are no redeeming factors.

Think of this:

The last "moderate" Republican President we had was Bush I--who was head of the CIA back in the 70s.

Yeah. Real moderate.

I respect the idea of a republican form of representative democracy, but the party that calls itself "Republican" is far too conservative for societal progress of any kind.

F*ck 'em. And I'm tired of hearing them defended by otherwise intelligent Farkers. No, the Whig thing isn't going to happen, either. They're too conservative as well.
 
2013-10-19 01:04:39 PM
hubiestubert:

And we see how well this has worked. Damn the leadership for using this "strategy" and sadly, the country is going reap what that've sown for years to come, because folks forgot what Conservatism was, and just figured rebranding it to "whatever we say it is this week" would have zero consequences...

Sorry Hubie.  You, yourself, are pretty reasonable, but the 'true conservatism' you constantly mourn for is a chimera; it never existed.  This is Conservatism, and always has been.  What Conservatives want to conserve is the privileges of the already privileged, and nothing else.
 
2013-10-19 01:08:27 PM

MFAWG: Notabunny: MFAWG: Notabunny: Notabunny: holeinthedonut: The new party will be named the Freedom America Patriot party   FAP for short

Party Of Opposing Patriots

Patriots Engaged In National Strategy

I think you mean:

Patriots Engaging National Interest Strategies.

I love a good beer buzz early in the morning

Small bowl and 2 screwdrivers with breakfast, and I'm not talking about a bowl of oatmeal here.


img.photobucket.com
 
2013-10-19 01:10:28 PM

A Terrible Human: MFAWG: olddeegee: ghare: olddeegee: In the long run, I think it will make the "new" Republican party hard to beat. Get rid of the extremists and they would attract a large amount of conservative leaning Dems. That would leave an extreme left party, an extreme right, and a middle of the road GOP.

Are you seriously trying to say you think modern Democrats are "extreme left?"  Because that is, like, laughable.

A segment of them are. Not all. The centrist voters in the party will go to a more moderate party to avoid the extreme left of the party.

That hasn't happened since Reagan, and he's dead.

His movies sucked or at least the ones I've seen sucked. How the fark did he keep getting parts in movies?


He worked in the industry during the contract player days. He was going to get paid anyway, so why not throw him in a movie and get some value out of the deal?
 
2013-10-19 01:11:11 PM

UndeadPoetsSociety: hubiestubert:

And we see how well this has worked. Damn the leadership for using this "strategy" and sadly, the country is going reap what that've sown for years to come, because folks forgot what Conservatism was, and just figured rebranding it to "whatever we say it is this week" would have zero consequences...

Sorry Hubie.  You, yourself, are pretty reasonable, but the 'true conservatism' you constantly mourn for is a chimera; it never existed.  This is Conservatism, and always has been.  What Conservatives want to conserve is the privileges of the already privileged, and nothing else.


So much this. I dig hubie as much as anyone, but I really wish he'd wake up someday and realize what he's spent his whole life defending.
 
2013-10-19 01:13:29 PM

The Martian Manhandler: heavymetal: Now that the GOP establishment handlers put in place by the Koch Brothers ( Matt Kibbe, Dick Armey, Jack Kemp, and C. Boyden Gray) were ousted and people like "sideburn boy" replaced them; the revenue sources are drying up.
 Psst: Matt Kibbe *is* Sideburn Boy.


Ooops.  Should have had my coffee before copying and pasting.
 
2013-10-19 01:17:53 PM

rpm: ILostMyPassword: Sure there are always a small percentage that vote for fringe candidates (Nadir in 2000)

Pun intended?


I wish, I'm taking credit for it.
 
2013-10-19 01:20:24 PM

RexTalionis: What is up with that guy's sideburns? Do they recruit the douchiest looking people around or is it just that the douchiest looking people tend to be attracted to the Tea Party?

[www.washingtonpost.com image 480x270]
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Stupid 'bagger can't even do muttonchops right.
 
2013-10-19 01:23:47 PM
weknowmemes.com
 
2013-10-19 01:28:59 PM
Please.

i293.photobucket.com

Proceed.
 
2013-10-19 01:34:18 PM

randomjsa: I have no idea how the far left radicals that have taken over the Democratic party manage to keep their moderates in line but it might be interesting if the far right faction of the Republicans could manage to do the same somehow.


yea its a mystery...keep tilting at the windmills, my friend.  One day those dragons of moderation will fall!
 
2013-10-19 01:37:42 PM
1389blog.com

To shreds you say...
 
2013-10-19 01:38:54 PM

asmodeus224: randomjsa: I have no idea how the far left radicals that have taken over the Democratic party manage to keep their moderates in line but it might be interesting if the far right faction of the Republicans could manage to do the same somehow.

yea its a mystery...keep tilting at the windmills, my friend.  One day those dragons of moderation will fall!



Poor old randomjsa.

The most left-wing person in the Democratic Party would only be moderately to the left of middle in the cohort of the British Conservative Party. Or the German Social Democrats. Or even the Australian Liberal Party.
 
2013-10-19 01:42:20 PM
The entire TEA party strategy is nothing more than contrarianism. It's a Monty Python sketch brought to life in the worst way imaginable.
 
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