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2013-10-19 06:50:49 AM
Good.
 
2013-10-19 07:10:29 AM
Don't let the door hit you on the ass on the way out...
 
2013-10-19 07:49:50 AM
I would love to see the National Republican Party disavow any so-called Tea Party member, and refuse to fund their re-election while steering extra funds towards moderate, pro-business Republicans to run against those TP politicians in their next Primary. Not just US Senators and Representatives, though... run against them on the State and even local level. Run those POS Tea Party anarchists out of office anywhere they are serving, and anywhere they hope to serve.

In Oregon we used to have an ultra-conservative third party called the Constitution Party. It was, for all intents and purposes, the Tea Party, just rebranded and run out on a national scale. In Oregon we voters have put those Constitution Party morans in a box, where they can't harm our government and absolutely can't win an election. The GOP should do the same with the Tea Party.
 
2013-10-19 08:02:24 AM
I'm surprised it's only two parts. Next up: Libertarians vs. Neocons.
 
2013-10-19 08:14:34 AM
What is up with that guy's sideburns? Do they recruit the douchiest looking people around or is it just that the douchiest looking people tend to be attracted to the Tea Party?

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2013-10-19 08:14:53 AM

MmmmBacon: I would love to see the National Republican Party disavow any so-called Tea Party member, and refuse to fund their re-election while steering extra funds towards moderate, pro-business Republicans to run against those TP politicians in their next Primary. Not just US Senators and Representatives, though... run against them on the State and even local level. Run those POS Tea Party anarchists out of office anywhere they are serving, and anywhere they hope to serve.

In Oregon we used to have an ultra-conservative third party called the Constitution Party. It was, for all intents and purposes, the Tea Party, just rebranded and run out on a national scale. In Oregon we voters have put those Constitution Party morans in a box, where they can't harm our government and absolutely can't win an election. The GOP should do the same with the Tea Party.


That's going to be painful in the short-term for the GOP. Hopefully, the party leadership decides to take a long view on the subject, as avoiding short-term losses is how the GOP has gotten to where it is. It may mean losing the House for a couple of Congresses, but what will emerge will be a more stable party with a realistic position on governance.

So far, gaining or maintaining a majority in Congress has been more important than maintaining control over the caucus. As long as the Republican Party throws its weight behind any nut running with an (R) next to his name, there will be long-term damage to the party. It all comes down to the GOP establishment willing to take some short-term losses to put the nuts in their place.
 
2013-10-19 08:22:13 AM

lizyrd: MmmmBacon: I would love to see the National Republican Party disavow any so-called Tea Party member, and refuse to fund their re-election while steering extra funds towards moderate, pro-business Republicans to run against those TP politicians in their next Primary. Not just US Senators and Representatives, though... run against them on the State and even local level. Run those POS Tea Party anarchists out of office anywhere they are serving, and anywhere they hope to serve.

In Oregon we used to have an ultra-conservative third party called the Constitution Party. It was, for all intents and purposes, the Tea Party, just rebranded and run out on a national scale. In Oregon we voters have put those Constitution Party morans in a box, where they can't harm our government and absolutely can't win an election. The GOP should do the same with the Tea Party.

That's going to be painful in the short-term for the GOP. Hopefully, the party leadership decides to take a long view on the subject, as avoiding short-term losses is how the GOP has gotten to where it is. It may mean losing the House for a couple of Congresses, but what will emerge will be a more stable party with a realistic position on governance.

So far, gaining or maintaining a majority in Congress has been more important than maintaining control over the caucus. As long as the Republican Party throws its weight behind any nut running with an (R) next to his name, there will be long-term damage to the party. It all comes down to the GOP establishment willing to take some short-term losses to put the nuts in their place.


Exactly!
 
2013-10-19 08:23:21 AM
The irony of course is the Republicans have gerrymandered themselves into districts where the derp rule unchallenged. This means if there is a party split the moderate Republicans won't be able to get elected because they will need dissatisfied Democrats to win but they've drawn the electoral boundaries to exclude them. This entire mess is a result of the inability to think in the long term which is the biggest problem with American corporate and political culture.
 
2013-10-19 08:40:43 AM

RexTalionis: What is up with that guy's sideburns? Do they recruit the douchiest looking people around or is it just that the douchiest looking people tend to be attracted to the Tea Party?

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It comes from a total lack of critical thinking skills and understanding anything outside of what you want this exact second.

'Hey I think my side burns would look wicked cool like that, and fark anyone who disagrees' =
'I need a 30 round mag, reloading blows, and fark anyone who might die over that shiat' =
'I don't have any pre-existing conditions and have medicare, fark anyone who has gotten sick, they are on their own for healthcare and I won't pay a dime more' =
'WTF donna at the dmv.  Its just a farking jet ski.  No way I have to have a boat license and understand nautical laws, just give me the god damn permit already.  This shiat is why we need to cut 90% of gov!' =
'Who cares if we ruin the environment and make many square miles of land uninhabitable?  Frack the hell out of that land.  I want gas to go down $.03!' =
'Shut the gov down! yay party time!  Down with the oppression!  What the fark do you mean no one is going to be available to clean, provide security for, provide maintenance for, etc national parks and monuments?  This is bullshiat.  god damn libs!' =
'Every agency ever- You cost too much and we think you could do better, so we are going to cut what we give you to work with and ask you to do more with less.  *some point in the future* Yeah your performance since we gutted your funding has gotten a bit worse, we are going to have to cut it some more.  **some point a bit more in the future** since your performance hasn't increased after multiple cuts to funding, we have decided to pay a private company 3x what your budget was to do 1/2 of what you did with no accountability, the other half of what you did we just decided we didn't care if it ever gets done' =
........
 
2013-10-19 08:53:49 AM

Ghastly: The irony of course is the Republicans have gerrymandered themselves into districts where the derp rule unchallenged. This means if there is a party split the moderate Republicans won't be able to get elected because they will need dissatisfied Democrats to win but they've drawn the electoral boundaries to exclude them. This entire mess is a result of the inability to think in the long term which is the biggest problem with American corporate and political culture.


If it goes down to d vs r vs tea party at general elections the d's win all but the most screwed up districts out there.  Outside of a few special districts (like boehners) you generally don't gain a ton from having a higher majority in a district.  Its much better to even them out and put your opponent mostly in one.  So if you have 9 districts that are say 55 r vs 45 d, and that r splits in half, or even 4/5 to 1/5, you just created a D district, or at least a toss up one.

I think the r's and t's are smart enough to figure that out, and if not the money backer folks definitely are.  I invision seeing the t's and traditional r's primary each other and trying to control the national party, but neither is splitting as thats death to both of them.  The only possible way I see that happening, is if D's really get big as the T's take over, and the D party starts to move way left as it gains power.  If the leftest D's start going cray cray and pissing folks off, just maybe the central D's and the central R'd get together and tell all the extremist to fark off.  That seems pretty unlikely though and the timing on that is probably more a 30-50 year thing.
 
2013-10-19 08:54:16 AM
Au revoir Monsieur.
 
2013-10-19 08:55:32 AM

Ghastly: The irony of course is the Republicans have gerrymandered themselves into districts where the derp rule unchallenged. This means if there is a party split the moderate Republicans won't be able to get elected because they will need dissatisfied Democrats to win but they've drawn the electoral boundaries to exclude them. This entire mess is a result of the inability to think in the long term which is the biggest problem with American corporate and political culture.


The "success" that Karl Rove and his fellow travelers have had has sucked the marrow right out of the party. The NeoCons' rise, and their lack of vision was an issue, but Rove drove narrative far beyond all else, and the TEA Party AstroTurf nonsense seemed like a good PR stunt. They just never imagined that anyone would take their bullsh*t seriously. And that underestimation of the power of stoopid, that is biting the party right in the ass. Oh, it got some seats, but policy wise, it has taken everything from a captive network, hordes of bloggers, and a LOT magazine and newspaper editors to even attempt to herd these cats.

And we see how well this has worked. Damn the leadership for using this "strategy" and sadly, the country is going reap what that've sown for years to come, because folks forgot what Conservatism was, and just figured rebranding it to "whatever we say it is this week" would have zero consequences...
 
2013-10-19 09:08:48 AM

hubiestubert: Ghastly: The irony of course is the Republicans have gerrymandered themselves into districts where the derp rule unchallenged. This means if there is a party split the moderate Republicans won't be able to get elected because they will need dissatisfied Democrats to win but they've drawn the electoral boundaries to exclude them. This entire mess is a result of the inability to think in the long term which is the biggest problem with American corporate and political culture.

The "success" that Karl Rove and his fellow travelers have had has sucked the marrow right out of the party. The NeoCons' rise, and their lack of vision was an issue, but Rove drove narrative far beyond all else, and the TEA Party AstroTurf nonsense seemed like a good PR stunt. They just never imagined that anyone would take their bullsh*t seriously. And that underestimation of the power of stoopid, that is biting the party right in the ass. Oh, it got some seats, but policy wise, it has taken everything from a captive network, hordes of bloggers, and a LOT magazine and newspaper editors to even attempt to herd these cats.

And we see how well this has worked. Damn the leadership for using this "strategy" and sadly, the country is going reap what that've sown for years to come, because folks forgot what Conservatism was, and just figured rebranding it to "whatever we say it is this week" would have zero consequences...


It is interesting.  In history you always hear about how propaganda was used by the italians/nazi's in ww2 (not to mention many before them) to get folks to do things that they generally wouldn't otherwise support.  I wonder how the current events will be viewed.  The r's over played this so hard and seem to be facing the consequences now.  They have pursued the crazies so hard to get voting up that they have made their moderates crazy.  Not to mention you have private organizations tossing gas on the fire to increase profits (fox etc).  As much as everyone loves to hate on fox for being republican shills, i'm not sure that is true.  I think they are just a corporation that puts profits above all else and found their nitch.  It will be real interesting to see how they handle party in fighting, their ability to influence public policy could be shocking and very troubling.  The propaganda wouldn't even have shiat to do with political objectives, just what makes the most $.
 
2013-10-19 09:18:00 AM
FTA-

"I think that's a real possibility because you're seeing this clash between the new generation and - to me, it's not just the old wing of the Republican Party versus the new wing - you're really seeing a disintermediation in politics. It's already happened with the Democratic Party," Kibbe said. "It's happening with the Republican Party now. And grassroots activists have an ability to self-organize, to fund candidates they're more interested in, going right around the Republican National Committee and senatorial committee."


You're quite right, Kibbe, that's EXACTLY why those SHEEPLE need to be awakened, and the ONLY way that can happen is with grassroots campaigning - not just for specific election campaigns, but continuously, starting immediately, for their awakening. I'm referring to non-partisan, ongoing campaigning to try to acquaint the SHEEPLE with such things as Civics, The Constitution and its amendments, the whole concept of a capitalistic Republic, etc.

We should be forming civic groups that; 1) go knocking on doors, 2) man phone banks, 3) email blasts inviting the SHEEPLE to meetings where those concepts can be presented.

I know for a fact that the Dems have been turning out en masse for years, doing this very thing, lying to the SHEEPLE and promising them unlimited freeloading at government (i.e. taxpayer) expense.

We need to follow the same plan, but, INSTEAD, TELL THEM THE TRUTH ABOUT THE REALITIES of a socialist government, and what will happen when the run out of OTHER PEOPLE'S money. I'm convinced that the SHEEPLE are too shortsighted to realize that, with the current government, WE ARE NOW, IN FACT, HEADING DOWN THE ROAD TO SOCIALISM, and that the Dems are sweeping the road ahead of us so that we don't stumble before we get there.

WE CAN accomplish this if we get the country's conservatives off dead center and unite to overcome this horrific trend. Individually, all we can do is talk the talk, but united we can start to walk the walk. I'm ready, willing and able - even at my age (81) - to pour whatever sweat equity I can into this endeavor. I've offered my grassroots management system for only my out-of-pocket costs. My retirement income is 50% below the poverty level for a family of two, so I'm not in a position to contribute financially, but my body and mind are strong and capable, so I can certainly contribute physically. Having been an IT professional for 55 years, I'm not without at least a modicum of technological ability.

Any takers??????
 
2013-10-19 09:18:01 AM
Called it.
 
2013-10-19 09:20:15 AM

SirVagTheTighty: even at my age (81)


You should proofread before hitting "paste."

/and make sure you're nowhere near freeperland when hitting "copy."
 
2013-10-19 09:22:58 AM

NickelP: hubiestubert: Ghastly: The irony of course is the Republicans have gerrymandered themselves into districts where the derp rule unchallenged. This means if there is a party split the moderate Republicans won't be able to get elected because they will need dissatisfied Democrats to win but they've drawn the electoral boundaries to exclude them. This entire mess is a result of the inability to think in the long term which is the biggest problem with American corporate and political culture.

The "success" that Karl Rove and his fellow travelers have had has sucked the marrow right out of the party. The NeoCons' rise, and their lack of vision was an issue, but Rove drove narrative far beyond all else, and the TEA Party AstroTurf nonsense seemed like a good PR stunt. They just never imagined that anyone would take their bullsh*t seriously. And that underestimation of the power of stoopid, that is biting the party right in the ass. Oh, it got some seats, but policy wise, it has taken everything from a captive network, hordes of bloggers, and a LOT magazine and newspaper editors to even attempt to herd these cats.

And we see how well this has worked. Damn the leadership for using this "strategy" and sadly, the country is going reap what that've sown for years to come, because folks forgot what Conservatism was, and just figured rebranding it to "whatever we say it is this week" would have zero consequences...

It is interesting.  In history you always hear about how propaganda was used by the italians/nazi's in ww2 (not to mention many before them) to get folks to do things that they generally wouldn't otherwise support.  I wonder how the current events will be viewed.  The r's over played this so hard and seem to be facing the consequences now.  They have pursued the crazies so hard to get voting up that they have made their moderates crazy.  Not to mention you have private organizations tossing gas on the fire to increase profits (fox etc).  As much as everyone loves to hate on fox for being republican shills, i'm not sure that is true.  I think they are just a corporation that puts profits above all else and found their nitch.  It will be real interesting to see how they handle party in fighting, their ability to influence public policy could be shocking and very troubling.  The propaganda wouldn't even have shiat to do with political objectives, just what makes the most $.


Fox sponsored the TEA Party. They are complicit with this mess, and yes, they are making a pretty penny for their services. Much like Palin is making a tidy penny for playing her parroty party tricks, and letting folks buy her books to warehouse.

The Justification Machine has been rolling along since the the first Bush's years. It was necessary, because folks realized that the Reagan years were taking us down a road where we stopped talking about the national debt, but to just what we would have to borrow THIS year.

Fox has thrown their lot in, because there is profit in massaging rubes. But they are enabling the Justification Machine, and it's killing honest journalism. Between Fox News, and the NRO, and countless outlets, to repeat lies and damned lies, and captive think tanks whose job is to manufacture papers and commentary to give some measure of scholastic cover, it is essentially the plan that the Ivory Tower NeoCons have been working toward. And the nation is paying a heavy price for their reality divorced thought experiments.

There's a reason why the NeoCons were an outlier fringe from Republicanism for so long. And damn the party for bringing them into the fold, and damn Reagan for giving them a seat at the table...
 
2013-10-19 09:32:02 AM
I'm still amused these people really think the rise of the TP was grassroots. And here we thought the Romney campaign was full of the most deluded, out of touch people in America
 
2013-10-19 09:35:47 AM
I have no idea how the far left radicals that have taken over the Democratic party manage to keep their moderates in line but it might be interesting if the far right faction of the Republicans could manage to do the same somehow.
 
2013-10-19 09:35:52 AM
Tea Party = RINOs.
 
2013-10-19 09:36:52 AM
And will the new, stand-alone tea party continue to vote Republican when there's no Tea Party candidate on the ballot? Because it sound like the same old thing to me.
 
2013-10-19 09:37:41 AM

thamike: SirVagTheTighty: even at my age (81)

You should proofread before hitting "paste."

/and make sure you're nowhere near freeperland when hitting "copy."


For a moment there I thought that you should proofread before eating paste.
 
2013-10-19 09:38:02 AM

randomjsa: I have no idea how the far left radicals that have taken over the Democratic party manage to keep their moderates in line but it might be interesting if the far right faction of the Republicans could manage to do the same somehow.


Here's the secret: Centrists run the a Democratic Party.


Shhhhh!
 
2013-10-19 09:38:17 AM
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2013-10-19 09:40:26 AM

randomjsa: I have no idea how the far left radicals that have taken over the Democratic party manage to keep their moderates in line but it might be interesting if the far right faction of the Republicans could manage to do the same somehow.


I thought there was no such thing as the "far right" in your world.

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2013-10-19 09:41:33 AM
NickelP:

It comes from a total lack of critical thinking skills and understanding anything outside of what you want this exact second.

'Hey I think my side burns would look wicked cool like that, and fark anyone who disagrees' =
'I need a 30 round mag, reloading blows, and fark anyone who might die over that shiat' =
'I don't have any pre-existing conditions and have medicare, fark anyone who has gotten sick, they are on their own for healthcare and I won't pay a dime more' =
'WTF donna at the dmv.  Its just a farking jet ski.  No way I have to have a boat license and understand nautical laws, just give me the god damn permit already.  This shiat is why we need to cut 90% of gov!' =
'Who cares if we ruin the environment and make many square miles of land uninhabitable?  Frack the hell out of that land.  I want gas to go down $.03!' =
'Shut the gov down! yay party time!  Down with the oppression!  What the fark do you mean no one is going to be available to clean, provide security for, provide maintenance for, etc national parks and monuments?  This is bullshiat.  god damn libs!' =
'Every agency ever- You cost too much and we think you could do better, so we are going to cut what we give you to work with and ask you to do more with less.  *some point in the future* Yeah your performance since we gutted your funding has gotten a bit worse, we are going to have to cut it some more.  **some point a bit more in the future** since your performance hasn't increased after multiple cuts to funding, we have decided to pay a private company 3x what your budget was to do 1/2 of what you did with no accountability, the other half of what you did we just decided we didn't care if it ever gets don ...


Snow killed my cows.  Help!
 
2013-10-19 09:43:50 AM

RexTalionis: What is up with that guy's sideburns? Do they recruit the douchiest looking people around or is it just that the douchiest looking people tend to be attracted to the Tea Party?


I don't know what you're talking about, I think he looks fabulous.
 
2013-10-19 09:45:38 AM
www.libertynews.com
 
2013-10-19 09:55:27 AM

randomjsa: I have no idea how the far left radicals that have taken over the Democratic party manage to keep their moderates in line but it might be interesting if the far right faction of the Republicans could manage to do the same somehow.


2/10

Go back to using libby_no_more2. You were much more inspired in those days. Oh wait, that handle got nuked from orbit
 
2013-10-19 09:55:39 AM
Tea Party and Libertarians are the real RINOs.
 
2013-10-19 09:56:15 AM

randomjsa: I have no idea how the far left radicals that have taken over the Democratic party manage to keep their moderates in line but it might be interesting if the far right faction of the Republicans could manage to do the same somehow.


Congratulations. I can't remember the last time I had a genuine laugh at a troll post.
 
2013-10-19 09:57:53 AM

DeaH: randomjsa: I have no idea how the far left radicals that have taken over the Democratic party manage to keep their moderates in line but it might be interesting if the far right faction of the Republicans could manage to do the same somehow.

Here's the secret: Centrists run the a Democratic Party.


Shhhhh!


You're talking to someone who just implied that America would be a better place if it was nothing but opposing fanatics.  Tread comically.
 
2013-10-19 09:59:36 AM
Meanwhile, at the national headquarters of the Republican Party...   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l14VUcrCoYw">http://www.youtube.com/wa tch?v=l14VUcrCoYw
 
2013-10-19 10:00:05 AM

Peter von Nostrand: I'm still amused these people really think the rise of the TP was grassroots. And here we thought the Romney campaign was full of the most deluded, out of touch people in America


It should be noted that the 'original' incarnation of the TP arose out of outrage and fury over the bank bailouts in 2008.  They were co-opted shortly thereafter by the GOP, but they weren't always the TP that you see now.  Their original outrage was focused on big business and big banks and how they got bailed out while many of them lost their savings and walked away with nothing.
 
2013-10-19 10:04:18 AM
Armey alleged that Kibbe had misused the PAC's funds ... and that the organization's lavish spending ... and top-heavy management structure would ruin the group.

Oh yeah? What do you know, old man? GTFO!

Now Armey is being paid $8 million over the course of 20 years just to stay away from the group and not discuss it with outsiders.

Booyah, Gramps! See ya!

FreedomWorks has had to take out a million dollar line of credit to meet its operating expenses and that so far this year, donations have slowed to a trickle.

I...uh. Oh. Oh shiat.

/Fiscal responsibility!!1!
//Unbelievably amused.
 
2013-10-19 10:06:24 AM

DeaH: And will the new, stand-alone tea party continue to vote Republican when there's no Tea Party candidate on the ballot? Because it sound like the same old thing to me.


No, they won't
Their self-admitted plan is to FIND tea party candidates to back
This worries me - anyone who is p.o'd at "government" and is asked to run for office (including funding from independent PACs) will take a shot.
If the race in certain districts is a "no way, ever" ( D ) and moderate "RINO" ( R ) and a fairly-well funded lunatic ( T ) who says all the right things - the ( T ) could likely win
So, what you get is an elected anti-government zealot with no legislative experience and no loyalty to corporate opinion (economic) or historical reference.

....sound familiar?
 
2013-10-19 10:06:43 AM

Infernalist: Peter von Nostrand: I'm still amused these people really think the rise of the TP was grassroots. And here we thought the Romney campaign was full of the most deluded, out of touch people in America

It should be noted that the 'original' incarnation of the TP arose out of outrage and fury over the bank bailouts in 2008.  They were co-opted shortly thereafter by the GOP, but they weren't always the TP that you see now.  Their original outrage was focused on big business and big banks and how they got bailed out while many of them lost their savings and walked away with nothing.


So why isn't there any fury pointed at the guy who signed the original bailout bill? It's like that never happened.
 
2013-10-19 10:06:46 AM

MmmmBacon: lizyrd: MmmmBacon: I would love to see the National Republican Party disavow any so-called Tea Party member, and refuse to fund their re-election while steering extra funds towards moderate, pro-business Republicans to run against those TP politicians in their next Primary. Not just US Senators and Representatives, though... run against them on the State and even local level. Run those POS Tea Party anarchists out of office anywhere they are serving, and anywhere they hope to serve.

In Oregon we used to have an ultra-conservative third party called the Constitution Party. It was, for all intents and purposes, the Tea Party, just rebranded and run out on a national scale. In Oregon we voters have put those Constitution Party morans in a box, where they can't harm our government and absolutely can't win an election. The GOP should do the same with the Tea Party.

That's going to be painful in the short-term for the GOP. Hopefully, the party leadership decides to take a long view on the subject, as avoiding short-term losses is how the GOP has gotten to where it is. It may mean losing the House for a couple of Congresses, but what will emerge will be a more stable party with a realistic position on governance.

So far, gaining or maintaining a majority in Congress has been more important than maintaining control over the caucus. As long as the Republican Party throws its weight behind any nut running with an (R) next to his name, there will be long-term damage to the party. It all comes down to the GOP establishment willing to take some short-term losses to put the nuts in their place.

Exactly!


No - not exactly.  The tea party people win the primaries because the primary voters WANT them to win the primaries.  It's not a matter of funding anymore.  Pro-business money interests may be able to tackle a few tea party members from the left during the primaries, but not many.  The best they can hope for are rabidly right candidates who also have a strong pro-business bent and hopefully more intelligence than the current crop of critters.  And once the primaries are over, the national party gets absolutely no benefit from letting a tea party candidate drift in the wind.  It just means there's going to be a Democrat taking the seat, and that's even worse.  At least a tea party congressman caucuses with the Republicans.
 
2013-10-19 10:07:30 AM

randomjsa: I have no idea how the far left radicals that have taken over the Democratic party manage to keep their moderates in line but it might be interesting if the far right faction of the Republicans could manage to do the same somehow.


Just another part of the b-b-b-but they're just a mirror image bullshiat.

The far-left hasn't come close to taking over the Democratic Party. Is it possible they could? Yes. But they don't have squat in terms of party power.
 
2013-10-19 10:08:19 AM
This tease has been going on for years.  Sure they will field primary candidates, but there is no way congressional/senatorial elections start having an R and a T unless there is no dem in the field so it's safe.  The whole point of gerrymandering is to win lots of districts by relatively small margins (10 points) while the others win few districts by large margins (30+).  If they start letting the tea party syphon off votes you're looking at 250+ dems in congress.  Also a third party has absolutely no function/value in our political system other than to hurt one of the two big ones.
 
2013-10-19 10:08:50 AM

Lsherm: MmmmBacon: lizyrd: MmmmBacon: I would love to see the National Republican Party disavow any so-called Tea Party member, and refuse to fund their re-election while steering extra funds towards moderate, pro-business Republicans to run against those TP politicians in their next Primary. Not just US Senators and Representatives, though... run against them on the State and even local level. Run those POS Tea Party anarchists out of office anywhere they are serving, and anywhere they hope to serve.

In Oregon we used to have an ultra-conservative third party called the Constitution Party. It was, for all intents and purposes, the Tea Party, just rebranded and run out on a national scale. In Oregon we voters have put those Constitution Party morans in a box, where they can't harm our government and absolutely can't win an election. The GOP should do the same with the Tea Party.

That's going to be painful in the short-term for the GOP. Hopefully, the party leadership decides to take a long view on the subject, as avoiding short-term losses is how the GOP has gotten to where it is. It may mean losing the House for a couple of Congresses, but what will emerge will be a more stable party with a realistic position on governance.

So far, gaining or maintaining a majority in Congress has been more important than maintaining control over the caucus. As long as the Republican Party throws its weight behind any nut running with an (R) next to his name, there will be long-term damage to the party. It all comes down to the GOP establishment willing to take some short-term losses to put the nuts in their place.

Exactly!

No - not exactly.  The tea party people win the primaries because the primary voters WANT them to win the primaries.  It's not a matter of funding anymore.  Pro-business money interests may be able to tackle a few tea party members from the left during the primaries, but not many.  The best they can hope for are rabidly right candidates who also have a strong pro-b ...


Assuming, of course, there was a primary that selected them. In VA, for example, Cuccinelli, Jackson, and Obenshain weren't picked by a primary.
 
2013-10-19 10:08:51 AM
The biggest winner here would be the American public. Let the Tea Party think they are the new face of the Republican party. Let the moderate Republicans that are still  capable of compromise step up without fear of getting stomped in a primary by a Tea Tard and maybe we as a country can move forward instead of regress.

Who the frak am I kidding? I just read what I wrote and I realized just how impossible it is. It sounds reasonable to a reasonable person, but these are not reasonable people. They got a taste of power and they like it by golly, and they are not going give it up easily. Prepare for scorched earth.
 
2013-10-19 10:09:18 AM

MFAWG: Infernalist: Peter von Nostrand: I'm still amused these people really think the rise of the TP was grassroots. And here we thought the Romney campaign was full of the most deluded, out of touch people in America

It should be noted that the 'original' incarnation of the TP arose out of outrage and fury over the bank bailouts in 2008.  They were co-opted shortly thereafter by the GOP, but they weren't always the TP that you see now.  Their original outrage was focused on big business and big banks and how they got bailed out while many of them lost their savings and walked away with nothing.

So why isn't there any fury pointed at the guy who signed the original bailout bill? It's like that never happened.


Oh, at the time, there was plenty.  But, like I said, it got co-opted pretty quick.
 
2013-10-19 10:10:51 AM

lilbjorn: Tea Party and Libertarians are the real RINOs.


Libertarians have their own party already. They're just as deluded as tea baggers, but at least they have the good sense to know that the Republican Party doesn't represent their interests.
 
2013-10-19 10:11:21 AM

MFAWG: So why isn't there any fury pointed at the guy who signed the original bailout bill? It's like that never happened.


Because most of the fury came from the left and the six libertarians who showed up to protest were drowned out by the DOZENS of protesters from the left.
 
2013-10-19 10:12:36 AM

lilbjorn: Tea Party and Libertarians are the real RINOs.


www.bitlogic.com
 
2013-10-19 10:12:41 AM

Pants full of macaroni!!: randomjsa: I have no idea how the far left radicals that have taken over the Democratic party manage to keep their moderates in line but it might be interesting if the far right faction of the Republicans could manage to do the same somehow.

I thought there was no such thing as the "far right" in your world.

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HAHAHA!
 
2013-10-19 10:12:51 AM
i'd like to see each and every Republican stick their heads up their asses and then jump up.   course, many already have their heads up their asses, but haven't jumped up yet.


i'm hoping they would all then disappear.
 
2013-10-19 10:14:11 AM
This split will allow the 'Cons a chance to push all the crazy folks into a marginal party so they can move to the center an act like adults.

Its exactly like what the Green Party does for the Dems...
 
2013-10-19 10:14:21 AM

ILostMyPassword: This tease has been going on for years.  Sure they will field primary candidates, but there is no way congressional/senatorial elections start having an R and a T unless there is no dem in the field so it's safe.  The whole point of gerrymandering is to win lots of districts by relatively small margins (10 points) while the others win few districts by large margins (30+).  If they start letting the tea party syphon off votes you're looking at 250+ dems in congress.   Also a third party has absolutely no function/value in our political system other than to hurt one of the two big ones.


There is a growing number of Tea Party supporters who are adamant that both parties are "part of the problem" - they don't see it (as above) at all.
They are on a mission to unseat moderate/RINOs and, because they KNOW they are right, the math of "a third party generally does nothing but split the votes" never occurs to them.

The only encouraging thing i've seen is the assertion "I'd rather not vote, or vote for a right-leaning ( D ) than a RINO" - They, right now, really hate the republican party.
 
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