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2013-10-19 09:16:53 AM
fubegra.net
 
2013-10-19 09:28:30 AM
FTA: Investigators raided Wu's office in May and found unsanitized dental supplies, prompting a warning about potential HIV or hepatitis infections

Yeah, i bet they did.

In order for a licensed person to not sterilize things they must first burn or otherwise destroy the license to break the mysterious hold it has over them.
 
2013-10-19 09:28:32 AM

Fubegra: [fubegra.net image 300x238]


Over in one.
 
2013-10-19 09:44:21 AM

black_knight: Fubegra: [fubegra.net image 300x238]

Over in one.


Harry,
Harry,
Harry of the BDA.

/spit
 
2013-10-19 10:13:45 AM
One wonders why such a place exists in a country with free, universal health care.
 
2013-10-19 10:20:10 AM

maxx2112: One wonders why such a place exists in a country with free, universal health care.


Good question. I wonder why dentists and opticians are not covered by medicare here. It's odd.
 
2013-10-19 10:28:11 AM

black_knight: Fubegra: [fubegra.net image 300x238]

Over in one.


There is something going on...
 
2013-10-19 10:44:07 AM
God forbid someone competes with the establishment and offers consumers lower prices.
 
2013-10-19 10:50:47 AM
"There were many boxes, there were a couple down chairs, a suction, pretty much equipment for a complete operatory," Penner said.

I think the author accidentally the whole paragraph.
 
2013-10-19 10:53:29 AM

Warlordtrooper: God forbid someone competes with the establishment and offers consumers lower prices.


Maybe it's just me, but when those lower prices come with a side order of AIDS, I tend to side with the regulatory agencies.
 
2013-10-19 11:00:14 AM
The only thing worse is unlicensed hairstylists working out of their kitchens

/the horror
 
2013-10-19 11:00:29 AM

maxx2112: One wonders why such a place exists in a country with free, universal health care.


#1 - it's not entirely free. Apart from general taxes, the monthly premium in BC is about $65 (unless you are low-income)
#2 - it's not universal. Dental, prescriptions, eyeglasses, etc. are not covered.
 
2013-10-19 11:04:00 AM

Ivo Shandor: maxx2112: One wonders why such a place exists in a country with free, universal health care.

#1 - it's not entirely free. Apart from general taxes, the monthly premium in BC is about $65 (unless you are low-income)
#2 - it's not universal. Dental, prescriptions, eyeglasses, etc. are not covered.


i848.photobucket.com
 
2013-10-19 11:13:18 AM
 
2013-10-19 11:25:12 AM

Strobeguy: The only thing worse is unlicensed hairstylists working out of their kitchens

/the horror


I don't know, even licensed ones can be problematic.

30.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-10-19 11:49:31 AM
It's a Man's Life in the College of Dental Surgeons!
 
2013-10-19 11:59:01 AM

J. Frank Parnell: FTA: Investigators raided Wu's office in May and found unsanitized dental supplies, prompting a warning about potential HIV or hepatitis infections

Yeah, i bet they did.

In order for a licensed person to not sterilize things they must first burn or otherwise destroy the license to break the mysterious hold it has over them.


Seriously? You're white knighting someone practicing dentistry without a license and without even using clean tools?
 
2013-10-19 11:59:38 AM
ts4.mm.bing.net
 
2013-10-19 12:21:12 PM

SonOfSpam: black_knight: Fubegra: [fubegra.net image 300x238]

Over in one.

Harry,
Harry,
Harry of the BDA.

/spit


Lemming of the BDA
 
2013-10-19 12:21:47 PM

Ivo Shandor: #1 - it's not entirely free. Apart from general taxes, the monthly premium in BC is about $65 (unless you are low-income)#2 - it's not universal. Dental, prescriptions, eyeglasses, etc. are not covered.


You don't suppose Obamacare will similarly turn out to not be as free and universal as we were promised?

/nah, can't be
//next you'll be telling me Obama won't actually pay my mortgage
///any day now
 
2013-10-19 12:26:11 PM

noitsnot: SonOfSpam: black_knight: Fubegra: [fubegra.net image 300x238]

Over in one.

Harry,
Harry,
Harry of the BDA.

/spit

Lemming of the BDA


BTW - "It's a Man's Life - in the British Dental Association!"
 
2013-10-19 12:32:33 PM
Alex Penner of the B.C. College of Dental Surgeons said patients were still arriving when members showed up at the residence, located near the intersection of Adenac and Kamloops streets. The College seized everything needed to run a fully-functional clinic, including computers, he added.

Apparently, the College of Dental Surgeons also has law enforcement powers.
 
2013-10-19 12:40:34 PM

Ivo Shandor: maxx2112: One wonders why such a place exists in a country with free, universal health care.

#1 - it's not entirely free. Apart from general taxes, the monthly premium in BC is about $65 (unless you are low-income)
#2 - it's not universal. Dental, prescriptions, eyeglasses, etc. are not covered.


Big Book of British Columbia Smiles.jpg
 
2013-10-19 12:59:44 PM

Fluid: Alex Penner of the B.C. College of Dental Surgeons said patients were still arriving when members showed up at the residence, located near the intersection of Adenac and Kamloops streets. The College seized everything needed to run a fully-functional clinic, including computers, he added.

Apparently, the College of Dental Surgeons also has law enforcement powers.


It's Canada. Any sufficiently offended group of people can gain law enforcement powers.

/one of the benefits of a sustainable (read: sparse) population
 
2013-10-19 01:00:53 PM
Chuck Noland has been unavailable for comment.
 
2013-10-19 01:01:12 PM
georgehahn.com

"Is it ...SAFE?"
 
2013-10-19 01:48:50 PM

Fluid: Alex Penner of the B.C. College of Dental Surgeons said patients were still arriving when members showed up at the residence, located near the intersection of Adenac and Kamloops streets. The College seized everything needed to run a fully-functional clinic, including computers, he added.

Apparently, the College of Dental Surgeons also has law enforcement powers.


Most state dental boards do.  Some of them have officers that, OMG, carry sidearms.
 
2013-10-19 01:49:25 PM
Oh yeah, I forgot my standard reply:  Evil farking dentists!
 
2013-10-19 02:13:46 PM

Yakk: black_knight: Fubegra: [fubegra.net image 300x238]

Over in one.

There is something going on...


No there isn't
 
2013-10-19 02:17:09 PM

Tatterdemalian: Ivo Shandor: #1 - it's not entirely free. Apart from general taxes, the monthly premium in BC is about $65 (unless you are low-income)#2 - it's not universal. Dental, prescriptions, eyeglasses, etc. are not covered.

You don't suppose Obamacare will similarly turn out to not be as free and universal as we were promised?

/nah, can't be
//next you'll be telling me Obama won't actually pay my mortgage
///any day now


I didnt know you could fit so much stupid into one short post. Kudos.
 
2013-10-19 02:49:08 PM

wyltoknow: Tatterdemalian: Ivo Shandor: #1 - it's not entirely free. Apart from general taxes, the monthly premium in BC is about $65 (unless you are low-income)#2 - it's not universal. Dental, prescriptions, eyeglasses, etc. are not covered.

You don't suppose Obamacare will similarly turn out to not be as free and universal as we were promised?

/nah, can't be
//next you'll be telling me Obama won't actually pay my mortgage
///any day now

I didnt know you could fit so much stupid into one short post. Kudos.


It's a Minute Maid post: Concentrated
 
2013-10-19 03:00:54 PM

Fubegra:


F*CK.

(leaves muttering, stroking Fluffy)
 
2013-10-19 03:23:46 PM

Ivo Shandor: maxx2112: One wonders why such a place exists in a country with free, universal health care.

#1 - it's not entirely free. Apart from general taxes, the monthly premium in BC is about $65 (unless you are low-income)
#2 - it's not universal. Dental, prescriptions, eyeglasses, etc. are not covered.


Yup. $900 for an emergency root canal.
 
2013-10-19 03:38:17 PM

whither_apophis: Yakk: black_knight: Fubegra: [fubegra.net image 300x238]

Over in one.

There is something going on...

No there isn't


OK, that's it, this thread has gotten entirely too silly!
 
2013-10-19 04:16:32 PM
Recently, there was a programme on fees veterinarians charge.  In November of last year our cat needed to have 10 teeth extracted and I paid $1800.00.  What's even worse the vet's office keeps calling me and sending me reminders to bring the cat to their office.  Few days ago, on  the CBC news I heard how young children have to  have dental surgery because parents can't afford dental fees.  No matter, dental or veterinarian, fees are ridiculously high.  Same with lawyer's fees.  People represent themselves in court.  In family court,  when parents fight for custody and a parent can afford to be represented and the other cannot,  one can imagine the outcome. It is women, who most of the time can't afford a lawyer.  Overall, these professions have outpriced themselves.  I have heard of people taking their pets to U.S. for treatment and buying medications for the animals there as well.
 
2013-10-19 04:40:51 PM
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Candy bar!!!!
 
2013-10-19 04:44:50 PM

Third rate whore in Toronto: Recently, there was a programme on fees veterinarians charge.  In November of last year our cat needed to have 10 teeth extracted and I paid $1800.00.  What's even worse the vet's office keeps calling me and sending me reminders to bring the cat to their office.  Few days ago, on  the CBC news I heard how young children have to  have dental surgery because parents can't afford dental fees.  No matter, dental or veterinarian, fees are ridiculously high.  Same with lawyer's fees.  People represent themselves in court.  In family court,  when parents fight for custody and a parent can afford to be represented and the other cannot,  one can imagine the outcome. It is women, who most of the time can't afford a lawyer.  Overall, these professions have outpriced themselves.  I have heard of people taking their pets to U.S. for treatment and buying medications for the animals there as well.


Rent, supplies, equipment, electricity, utilities, employees, liability as well as property and equipment insurances , paying back student loans...........if you haven't noticed, things cost money and none of it has gotten cheaper.
 
2013-10-19 05:11:52 PM
Of course things cost money.  However, if so many people can't afford these services, where will they find their clients.  If the customer base is shrinking so will professionals incomes shrink.
 
2013-10-19 05:40:50 PM

maxx2112: One wonders why such a place exists in a country with free, universal health care.


Well for strarters, Medicare does not cover most regular or surgical dentistry. Some dental operations are covered by employer plans but general dental care and many cosmetic procedures are not. There is a range of services and devices that are not covered by any public or private plans. Cosmetic surgery covers a lot of things you don't think of, such as giving burn victims a new face. Some of this is covered by somebody but a lot of it is covered by nobody.

The same is true of eyeglasses and contacts: a visit to the optometrist and a prescription may be covered by an employer plan but not the frames you want (which are fashion items). The frames which are covered by plans are generally what the British call "NHS eyeglasses"--fugly old plastic frames that look like they were designed in the 1940s and made of Bakelite like old telephones.

I have full dental and medical insurance via my employer (I am very lucky in that, since a lot of people don't) but I still would have to pay several hundred dollars out of pocket for my eyeglasses and my dental work. I also don't pay for most prescription drugs or a modest co-pay or deductible at the beginning of the year, but I still have to pay for some of the costs, which would be impossible for a single person on welfare (doesn't pay the rent) or people who aren't eligible for welfare or unemployment insurance but are nonetheless very poor.

There are gaps in the system. This is what Obamacare was trying, ineffectively as it turns out, to address without shaking up the insurance industry and the massive outrageously system of HMOs and so forth.

Can't de done. What needed to be done but was politically impossible, was to take an ax to the existing system to reduce costs, while expanding coverage to the 45 million who at any given point in time have no coverage public or private.

That's one hell of a gap to try to fill with bandaids and toothpaste.

You either need a truely single user system or something like the existing public-private systems but with full coverage of the people with no jobs and no money. Somebody is always going to be screwed regardless. There will have to be winners (those with inadequate healthcare, dentalcare and eyecare) and losers (those with shiatloads of money and the best private care money can buy at outrageous prices and the cost of everybody else who is paying insurance to your superrich or corporate insurance plan.

Poor people can't afford to buy toiletries if they can't afford to pay rent or buy food or have medical care hey desperately need. That is why there are charities that are always happy to receive donations of new toothbrushes, toothpaste, soap, and shaving supplies.

Your hospitals and emergency rooms and clinics are full of people who wouldn't be there in a well-designed, affordable and reasonably priced public-private system.

This is especially true in the US but it is true in all countries, even the richest and the most social democratic and egalitarian. That's where the money is leaking out of the system. But your main problem is that US doctors are often upper class and rich with a really rich and powerful professional union, while American healthcare is almost twice as expensive as the next most expensive option (150% of the per capita cost of Canadian health care).

If you have not got the balls or the power to kick ass, you are never going o have an affordable, universal, accountable, portable, equitable health insurance system. You will have a first rate system for the lucky few and a second rate system for the middling masses, and a third rate or worse system for the poor and much of the working poor.
 
2013-10-19 06:19:14 PM

brantgoose: The same is true of eyeglasses and contacts: a visit to the optometrist and a prescription may be covered by an employer plan but not the frames you want (which are fashion items). The frames which are covered by plans are generally what the British call "NHS eyeglasses"--fugly old plastic frames that look like they were designed in the 1940s and made of Bakelite like old telephones.


Opticians are a bunch of greedy assholes, you try and get your I.D. on your prescription so you can buy glasses online. The farkers won't give it to you.
 
2013-10-19 06:52:15 PM

brantgoose: maxx2112: One wonders why such a place exists in a country with free, universal health care.

Well for strarters....


Brantgoose, if you ever run for political office, give me a heads-up and I will send a donation to your campaign.
 
2013-10-19 09:08:00 PM

Quantum Apostrophe: Opticians are a bunch of greedy assholes, you try and get your I.D. on your prescription so you can buy glasses online. The farkers won't give it to you.


Where are you going? My Ophthalmologist hands me my actual prescription information right after she finishes her exams.
 
2013-10-19 10:00:02 PM

hardinparamedic: Quantum Apostrophe: Opticians are a bunch of greedy assholes, you try and get your I.D. on your prescription so you can buy glasses online. The farkers won't give it to you.

Where are you going? My Ophthalmologist hands me my actual prescription information right after she finishes her exams.


You know, glasses are just the sort of thing you could 3D-Print for cheap.  Just feed in the prescription, choose you style and color - BAM!  Star Trek.
 
2013-10-19 10:16:47 PM

Third rate whore in Toronto: Recently, there was a programme on fees veterinarians charge.  In November of last year our cat needed to have 10 teeth extracted and I paid $1800.00.  What's even worse the vet's office keeps calling me and sending me reminders to bring the cat to their office.  Few days ago, on  the CBC news I heard how young children have to  have dental surgery because parents can't afford dental fees.  No matter, dental or veterinarian, fees are ridiculously high.  Same with lawyer's fees.  People represent themselves in court.  In family court,  when parents fight for custody and a parent can afford to be represented and the other cannot,  one can imagine the outcome. It is women, who most of the time can't afford a lawyer.  Overall, these professions have outpriced themselves.  I have heard of people taking their pets to U.S. for treatment and buying medications for the animals there as well.


Cats have more than  10 teeth???

Wow.
 
2013-10-19 10:23:02 PM

noitsnot: You know, glasses are just the sort of thing you could 3D-Print for cheap. Just feed in the prescription, choose you style and color - BAM! Star Trek.


You know, if you're going to do that, why not just 3D Print you some LASIK.
 
2013-10-19 10:50:37 PM

hardinparamedic: Quantum Apostrophe: Opticians are a bunch of greedy assholes, you try and get your I.D. on your prescription so you can buy glasses online. The farkers won't give it to you.

Where are you going? My Ophthalmologist hands me my actual prescription information right after she finishes her exams.


No, she doesn't. When you go to buy the glasses, do they put your head on a thingy with a chin rest? That's the I.D.: interpupillary distance.

They "give" you some information, but the critical bit to actually make the glasses (to put the lenses in at the right place) they don't write on the paper.

I'm pretty sure that's the way all over the place, not just Quebec.

noitsnot: hardinparamedic: Quantum Apostrophe: Opticians are a bunch of greedy assholes, you try and get your I.D. on your prescription so you can buy glasses online. The farkers won't give it to you.

Where are you going? My Ophthalmologist hands me my actual prescription information right after she finishes her exams.

You know, glasses are just the sort of thing you could 3D-Print for cheap.  Just feed in the prescription, choose you style and color - BAM!  Star Trek.


Oh I know, I suppose optically accurate shapes with the anti-reflective coating is just a software tweak at this point.

BLOOP!

Glasses.

I don't know why I'm such a Luddite about 3D printing.

hardinparamedic: noitsnot: You know, glasses are just the sort of thing you could 3D-Print for cheap. Just feed in the prescription, choose you style and color - BAM! Star Trek.

You know, if you're going to do that, why not just 3D Print you some LASIK.


Just stick your head in the 3D printer and zap, new corneas and stuff.
 
2013-10-20 01:24:22 PM

hardinparamedic: noitsnot: You know, glasses are just the sort of thing you could 3D-Print for cheap. Just feed in the prescription, choose you style and color - BAM! Star Trek.

You know, if you're going to do that, why not just 3D Print you some LASIK.


Pretty much what LASIK is.  A computer driven laser 3D eyeball milling machine.
 
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