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2013-10-18 05:46:54 PM  
funnycatwallpapers.com
 
2013-10-18 05:48:45 PM  
How many is that now?
 
2013-10-18 05:49:23 PM  

ScaryBottles: How many is that now?


14 plus DC.
 
2013-10-18 05:50:18 PM  
"The state has advanced a number of arguments, but none of them overcome this reality: Same-sex couples who cannot marry are not treated equally under the law today,"

I think Christie knew this was coming and secretly aint that broken up about it.

denied a stay

Bigots shoot. Supremes Save.

Good game!
 
2013-10-18 05:50:40 PM  
i47.photobucket.com

/Good for NJ
 
2013-10-18 05:51:22 PM  

Serious Black: ScaryBottles: How many is that now?

14 plus DC.


Oh, and I should add Oregon now recognizes same-sex couples with marriage licenses from another state as legally married, so that's effectively 15 I guess?
 
2013-10-18 05:54:49 PM  
Was wondering where this thread was.

Glad to see NJ drug kicking and screaming into the 21st century.  The anti equality in marriage arguments really are nonsensical, so i'm always happy to see the courts take the right side of history.
 
2013-10-18 05:55:49 PM  

Serious Black: Serious Black: ScaryBottles: How many is that now?

14 plus DC.

Oh, and I should add Oregon now recognizes same-sex couples with marriage licenses from another state as legally married, so that's effectively 15 I guess?


Aren't we still waiting for the other shoe to drop in that Ohio case?
 
2013-10-18 05:57:31 PM  
This is good for Chris Christie.  He can pretend in the 2016 Republican primaries that he fought against gay marriage, and then in a general election brag about how his state was one of the first to legalize it.  In two years, nobody outside of New Jersey will remember how it happened.
 
2013-10-18 05:59:22 PM  
Only a matter of time now. Suck it, homophobes.
 
2013-10-18 05:59:22 PM  

UNC_Samurai: Serious Black: Serious Black: ScaryBottles: How many is that now?

14 plus DC.

Oh, and I should add Oregon now recognizes same-sex couples with marriage licenses from another state as legally married, so that's effectively 15 I guess?

Aren't we still waiting for the other shoe to drop in that Ohio case?


Yes we are. The federal judge on the case will probably rule in December, but it will almost certainly be appealed since it's currently in district court.
 
2013-10-18 05:59:57 PM  

Captain Dan: and then in a general election brag about how his state was one of the first to legalize it.


And his opponent can remind voters that Christie spent taxpayer money to fight it in court.
 
2013-10-18 06:00:20 PM  
One more state lands on the right side of history.  Keep goin', Yanks, you're already 1/3 of the way there!  It really is about momentum.  Making marriage equality a true reality will get easier with every new State that's forced to end this discrimination.

That's why the Teabaggers and Derpamentalists are getting so loud about the marriage issue.  They know the battle is quickly snowballing beyond their ability to win it.
 
2013-10-18 06:00:24 PM  

UNC_Samurai: Serious Black: Serious Black: ScaryBottles: How many is that now?

14 plus DC.

Oh, and I should add Oregon now recognizes same-sex couples with marriage licenses from another state as legally married, so that's effectively 15 I guess?

Aren't we still waiting for the other shoe to drop in that Ohio case?


Pennsylvania too.
 
2013-10-18 06:01:59 PM  

UNC_Samurai: Serious Black: Serious Black: ScaryBottles: How many is that now?

14 plus DC.

Oh, and I should add Oregon now recognizes same-sex couples with marriage licenses from another state as legally married, so that's effectively 15 I guess?

Aren't we still waiting for the other shoe to drop in that Ohio case?


See thats the thing if they find against supporters of same sex marriage they just have to keep appealing till it hits the USSC and they will find just as they did on Prop 8. Really its pathetic we just have to let the clock run out so to speak. Those who would be appealing have the time, money and inclination to appeal this all the way up. Like I said once it hits the USSC game over for the hate mongers so all they are accomplishing is wasting time and money trying to fight it.
 
2013-10-18 06:03:01 PM  

Highroller48: One more state lands on the right side of history.  Keep goin', Yanks, you're already 1/3 of the way there!  It really is about momentum.  Making marriage equality a true reality will get easier with every new State that's forced to end this discrimination.

That's why the Teabaggers and Derpamentalists are getting so loud about the marriage issue.  They know the battle is quickly snowballing beyond their ability to win it.


with mj legalization on it's heels hopefully
 
2013-10-18 06:03:40 PM  
Good.  I'm glad the thing he did to gain my personal electoral death sentence (although halfway through a term is way longer than it takes most politicians) was futile.

// NJ resident
 
2013-10-18 06:03:42 PM  
I totally agree with this ruling.  Gay people have been getting a free ride for far too long.  It's high time they had to wake up to the reality of being stuck in a relationship they no longer want - being legally bound to someone they can no longer stand the sight of - someone who can run up huge credit card debt that they will be responsible to pay off.  Yes, this is a good day.
 
2013-10-18 06:10:10 PM  
Does anyone know if this sets any sort of legal precedent that would affect other states? States such as Florida, which while already having a law on the books outlawing gay marriage, felt compelled to amend the Sate Constitution to deny it?

I ask because I know a gay couple who would really like to get legally married before they die, but feel it's pointless due to the position the State holds.
 
2013-10-18 06:12:47 PM  
Good job, libtards! God is gonna be pissed! Mark my words, some natural disaster will happen somewhere in the US within the next year, and it will be a direct result of this ruling. I hope you're happy!
 
2013-10-18 06:17:25 PM  
Who's still against marriage equality these days? Oh right, old fat Republicans.

The sad thing is that Christie probably doesn't have anything against it, but rather is posturing for the GOP crazy-filled primaries in 2016.
 
2013-10-18 06:17:31 PM  

fusillade762: Only a matter of time now. Suck it, homophobes.


Stop trying to ram teh ghey down their throat!

:)
 
2013-10-18 06:25:25 PM  

Antimatter: Was wondering where this thread was.

Glad to see NJ drug kicking and screaming into the 21st century.  The anti equality in marriage arguments really are nonsensical, so i'm always happy to see the courts take the right side of history.


Errr...what? NJ was one of the first states to have civil unions, tyvm.

This ruling should really be no surprise, as the State Supreme Court ruled back in like 2004 or something that civil unions were not equal, and that marriage equality must be granted. The problem is the legislature moved kinda slow on it, and then once Christie took office he kept veto'ing it.

Beyond the 2004(if I'm remembering the date right) ruling, the State Supreme Court has ruled consistently in favor of marriage equality in a couple rulings since then. Why them doing it this time qualifies as "shocking" as some people have said(though maybe not in this thread) is beyond me.

This has been inevitable for awhile. I can admit that to outsiders it may not be so obvious, but to anyone in the state, it was only a matter of time. It's just that this is NJ, and we have our own, sometimes retarded, way of doing things.
 
2013-10-18 06:29:13 PM  

LittleSmitty: Does anyone know if this sets any sort of legal precedent that would affect other states? States such as Florida, which while already having a law on the books outlawing gay marriage, felt compelled to amend the Sate Constitution to deny it?

I ask because I know a gay couple who would really like to get legally married before they die, but feel it's pointless due to the position the State holds.


It really depends on how far Christie decides to take it. If it goes all the way to the Supreme Court, then yes, they can rule that civil unions are not equal, and that marriage equality must be granted. Because of this, there are rumors that Christie is being told by advisors not to take it past the State Supreme, because of the potential it could have on other states. If it goes to the Supreme Court, and they rule in favor of marriage equality, it will piss off a lot of states with constitutional amendments and such, and Christie might take the blame for it.
 
2013-10-18 06:29:31 PM  

Captain Dan: This is good for Chris Christie.  He can pretend in the 2016 Republican primaries that he fought against gay marriage, and then in a general election brag about how his state was one of the first to legalize it.  In two years, nobody outside of New Jersey will remember how it happened.


I don't know if that's so true when it comes to the primary debates and Ted Cruz starts saying either he hardly fought back or it's evidence that he's ineffective.  The primary all depends on if the crazy side of the party divides their vote up among 4 people like last time or all rallies behind one.  If Santorum/Bachman/Gingrich/Perry followers all grouped behind a single one that one would have wiped the floor with Mitt.
 
2013-10-18 06:30:10 PM  
Oh but Christie would make such a wonderful run for the Presidency!

How many of you actually still believe that, knowing what a brownoser he was for Romney during the election, and now a champion of homophobia?

God conservatives make me sick.
 
2013-10-18 06:37:03 PM  

grumpfuff: LittleSmitty: Does anyone know if this sets any sort of legal precedent that would affect other states? States such as Florida, which while already having a law on the books outlawing gay marriage, felt compelled to amend the Sate Constitution to deny it?

I ask because I know a gay couple who would really like to get legally married before they die, but feel it's pointless due to the position the State holds.

It really depends on how far Christie decides to take it. If it goes all the way to the Supreme Court, then yes, they can rule that civil unions are not equal, and that marriage equality must be granted. Because of this, there are rumors that Christie is being told by advisors not to take it past the State Supreme, because of the potential it could have on other states. If it goes to the Supreme Court, and they rule in favor of marriage equality, it will piss off a lot of states with constitutional amendments and such, and Christie might take the blame for it.


Thanks for that perspective.

For a party that values Freedom so much, they sure are keen on denying certain freedoms to other folks
 
2013-10-18 06:37:37 PM  
Excellent.

Tick-tock, Bigots...
 
2013-10-18 06:49:56 PM  

ILostMyPassword: I don't know if that's so true when it comes to the primary debates and Ted Cruz starts saying either he hardly fought back or it's evidence that he's ineffective.  The primary all depends on if the crazy side of the party divides their vote up among 4 people like last time or all rallies behind one.  If Santorum/Bachman/Gingrich/Perry followers all grouped behind a single one that one would have wiped the floor with Mitt.


The hard right can't organize to achieve their objectives.  Moderates win because they are collectively smarter.

So, yes, it will again be a case of 1 or 2 moderates (quickly winnowed to 1) against 3 Tea Party candidates who secretly don't want to win but only want publicity and a lucrative gig on Fox News/lobbying sinecure promised to them by the RNC in exchange for staying in the race to divide up the conservative vote.
 
2013-10-18 06:51:12 PM  
On the other side of the coin... I'm not too familiar with the cast of Jersey Shore, but does this mean Snooki and JWOWW can get married now, or do they still have to wait until they legalize the ability for humans to marry trolls?
 
2013-10-18 06:56:49 PM  

bluorangefyre: On the other side of the coin... I'm not too familiar with the cast of Jersey Shore, but does this mean Snooki and JWOWW can get married now, or do they still have to wait until they legalize the ability for humans to marry trolls?


Snooki lives in NY, so this ruling has no effect on her. I have no idea who JWOWW is.

/please stop thinking the Jersey Shore represents NJ
//most of the cast is from NY
 
2013-10-18 07:01:22 PM  
God bless America!
phillygaycalendar.com

/one of my college roommates.
//nttawwt
 
2013-10-18 07:02:10 PM  
ak2.picdn.net
 
2013-10-18 07:05:33 PM  

grumpfuff: It's just that this is NJ, and we have our own, sometimes retarded, way of doing things.


*begin Jon Stewart Jersey voice*

No disrespect.

*end Jon Stewart Jersey voice*
 
2013-10-18 07:28:14 PM  
Iowa. Cooler than California since 2009.
 
2013-10-18 07:50:01 PM  
As long as I don't have to gay marry my gerbil, I don't care what those disgusting homos do.  Well, actually I do.  We should have the right to gay marry an opposite sex non-species specific partner of our choice.
 
m00
2013-10-18 08:10:18 PM  

quatchi: I think Christie knew this was coming and secretly aint that broken up about it.


I think he is in a very strong position. He gets to say something like:

"As governor I raised what I felt were legitimate objections. The courts listened to the objections, and decided that for the state of New Jersey, same-sex marriage is the only outcome compatible with the New Jersey constitution. Am I disappointed? Sure. But I'm a governor, not a dictator. You don't get to pick and choose when you follow the law and when you don't. So as far as I'm concerned, same-sex marriages are the law of the land."

And then it says it while smiling.
 
2013-10-18 08:11:42 PM  
Chris Christie's so fat...

How fat is he?

That he's likely to die soon!
 
2013-10-18 08:15:48 PM  

thurstonxhowell: Chris Christie's so fat...

How fat is he?

That he's likely to die soon!


As long as he makes it into first
 
m00
2013-10-18 08:20:18 PM  

bluorangefyre: On the other side of the coin... I'm not too familiar with the cast of Jersey Shore, but does this mean Snooki and JWOWW can get married now, or do they still have to wait until they legalize the ability for humans to marry trolls?


That's on the slippery slope after polygamy, bestiality and pedophilia are legalized.
 
m00
2013-10-18 08:22:43 PM  

whidbey: Oh but Christie would make such a wonderful run for the Presidency!

How many of you actually still believe that, knowing what a brownoser he was for Romney during the election, and now a champion of homophobia?

God conservatives make me sick.


He would be a fantastic president.
 
2013-10-18 08:46:12 PM  
You see this Illinois? F*cking New Jersey legalized gay marriage before us. Hell, Iowa and Minnesota did too. Democrats control the legislature and Governor's office, it shouldn't be this difficult.
 
2013-10-18 08:50:26 PM  

Paris1127: You see this Illinois? F*cking New Jersey legalized gay marriage before us. Hell, Iowa and Minnesota did too. Democrats control the legislature and Governor's office, it shouldn't be this difficult.


Cash is King in Illinois
 
2013-10-18 09:18:42 PM  

m00: quatchi: I think Christie knew this was coming and secretly aint that broken up about it.

I think he is in a very strong position. He gets to say something like:

"As governor I raised what I felt were legitimate objections. The courts listened to the objections, and decided that for the state of New Jersey, same-sex marriage is the only outcome compatible with the New Jersey constitution. Am I disappointed? Sure. But I'm a governor, not a dictator. You don't get to pick and choose when you follow the law and when you don't. So as far as I'm concerned, same-sex marriages are the law of the land."

And then it says it while smiling.


And that becomes a campaign ad for one of his opponents in the primaries (probably Santorum).
 
2013-10-18 09:21:40 PM  

m00: quatchi: I think Christie knew this was coming and secretly aint that broken up about it.

I think he is in a very strong position. He gets to say something like:

"As governor I raised what I felt were legitimate objections. The courts listened to the objections, and decided that for the state of New Jersey, same-sex marriage is the only outcome compatible with the New Jersey constitution. Am I disappointed? Sure. But I'm a governor, not a dictator. You don't get to pick and choose when you follow the law and when you don't. So as far as I'm concerned, same-sex marriages are the law of the land."

And then it says it while smiling.


Keep in mind. The teatards don't mind a dictator, as long as he's a dictator from their team.
 
2013-10-18 09:25:12 PM  

grumpfuff: m00: quatchi: I think Christie knew this was coming and secretly aint that broken up about it.

I think he is in a very strong position. He gets to say something like:

"As governor I raised what I felt were legitimate objections. The courts listened to the objections, and decided that for the state of New Jersey, same-sex marriage is the only outcome compatible with the New Jersey constitution. Am I disappointed? Sure. But I'm a governor, not a dictator. You don't get to pick and choose when you follow the law and when you don't. So as far as I'm concerned, same-sex marriages are the law of the land."

And then it says it while smiling.

Keep in mind. The teatards don't mind a dictator, as long as he's a dictator from their team.


It would be great if Christie won the Republican nomination and Jim Lehrer hosted one of the presidential debates, just so Lehrer could ask him about the decision.

Christie:  Dammit, Jim!  I'm a governor, not a dictator!
 
2013-10-18 09:45:06 PM  
 
2013-10-18 09:51:16 PM  

Zeno-25: Who's still against marriage equality these days? Oh right, old fat Republicans.

The sad thing is that Christie probably doesn't have anything against it, but rather is posturing for the GOP crazy-filled primaries in 2016.


I would not mind a sheep-in-wolf's-clothing to make it to the general, tbh......although he'll probably bust a seam in the process.
 
2013-10-18 09:52:50 PM  

HighOnCraic: grumpfuff: m00: quatchi: I think Christie knew this was coming and secretly aint that broken up about it.

I think he is in a very strong position. He gets to say something like:

"As governor I raised what I felt were legitimate objections. The courts listened to the objections, and decided that for the state of New Jersey, same-sex marriage is the only outcome compatible with the New Jersey constitution. Am I disappointed? Sure. But I'm a governor, not a dictator. You don't get to pick and choose when you follow the law and when you don't. So as far as I'm concerned, same-sex marriages are the law of the land."

And then it says it while smiling.

Keep in mind. The teatards don't mind a dictator, as long as he's a dictator from their team.

It would be great if Christie won the Republican nomination and Jim Lehrer hosted one of the presidential debates, just so Lehrer could ask him about the decision.

Christie:  Dammit, Jim!  I'm a governor, not a dictator!


That would clinch the ever-elusive Trekkie voting bloc...
 
2013-10-18 09:57:10 PM  

m00: whidbey: Oh but Christie would make such a wonderful run for the Presidency!

How many of you actually still believe that, knowing what a brownoser he was for Romney during the election, and now a champion of homophobia?

God conservatives make me sick.

He would be a fantastic president.


He's the best out of the rest of the GOP lot, that's for sure.  Except for maybe Huntsman, but that's about it.
 
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