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(CNN)   Maybe the problem isn't that there are too many bullies out there. Maybe the problem is that we've got entirely too many pansies   (cnn.com) divider line 141
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2013-10-18 11:26:25 AM
Plant some amaranths. They balance well.
 
2013-10-18 11:27:06 AM
If this is you're position you have no right to complain about school shootings
 
2013-10-18 11:27:51 AM
Why not both?
 
2013-10-18 11:27:59 AM
I blame Theodore Roosevelt!
 
2013-10-18 11:28:16 AM

Warlordtrooper: If this is you're position you have no right to complain about school shootings


*Your

/seemed apropos in a school-related thread
 
2013-10-18 11:28:29 AM
Bullying, by and large, are the set of behaviors that are pretty okay with friends, but would get you sent to jail if you did them to a stranger as an adult.
 
2013-10-18 11:32:03 AM
well if kids could fight back with minimal consequences, then yeah. But these days if somebody sucker-punches you and you retaliate, the teacher's probably only going to see the 2nd action and you'll get expelled while the bully gets counseling.
 
2013-10-18 11:32:42 AM
This watering down of the term "bullying" strikes me as a plot amongst bullies (both former and current) to make the word seem meaningless.
 
2013-10-18 11:32:46 AM

ikanreed: Bullying, by and large, are the set of behaviors that are pretty okay with friends, but would get you sent to jail if you did them to a stranger as an adult.


Only if you were raised in a dysfunctional environment and family.
 
2013-10-18 11:32:55 AM
Bullying is only acceptable when you're the bully.
 
2013-10-18 11:33:08 AM
Yeah, have you seen the way they dress? They're just asking for it.
 
2013-10-18 11:33:30 AM

Warlordtrooper: If this is you're position you have no right to complain about school shootings


How does something being you are position make any sense?
 
2013-10-18 11:33:46 AM

Zik-Zak: Warlordtrooper: If this is you're position you have no right to complain about school shootings

*Your

/seemed apropos in a school-related thread


Ya I'll rightfully get shiat for that but posting from my iPhone isn't that great
 
2013-10-18 11:34:10 AM
Maybe we have too many parents who think that their Tater Jr is a flawless little angel and its those sissies fault for not realizing that Tater was just fooling around when he tied them to a tree and set their pant legs on fire.
 
2013-10-18 11:34:30 AM

HotIgneous Intruder: ikanreed: Bullying, by and large, are the set of behaviors that are pretty okay with friends, but would get you sent to jail if you did them to a stranger as an adult.

Only if you were raised in a dysfunctional environment and family.


If your friend punched you in the arm over something you did, you wouldn't get them charged with assault.  If a co-worker did, I(at least) probably would.
 
2013-10-18 11:34:39 AM

Egalitarian: well if kids could fight back with minimal consequences, then yeah. But these days if somebody sucker-punches you and you retaliate, the teacher's probably only going to see the 2nd action and you'll get expelled while the bully gets counseling.


You say that as if they wouldn't expel you if you didn't swing back.

Zero tolerance doncha know.
 
2013-10-18 11:35:08 AM
Maybe the problem isnt that there are too many wars. Maybe the problem is that there's too many countries NOT at war.
 
2013-10-18 11:35:21 AM
They will rise to form a new political party that cries during congressional hearings.
The Pussification Party

Are YOU Pussified?
 
2013-10-18 11:35:47 AM

Warlordtrooper: Zik-Zak: Warlordtrooper: If this is you're position you have no right to complain about school shootings

*Your

/seemed apropos in a school-related thread

Ya I'll rightfully get shiat for that but posting from my iPhone isn't that great


Speaking of problems in school...

/just pulling your leg, 'Trooper
//Cafe Bustelo is turning me into a smart-ass this morning
 
2013-10-18 11:35:47 AM
Bullies never scared me as a kid. I had two older brothers who liked watching the WWF. One was twice the size of any kid I ever went to school with. Plus, a swift kick to the balls works on anyone.
 
2013-10-18 11:35:57 AM
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2013-10-18 11:36:27 AM
i think the real problem is that "He/they were acting like a diack to me and my friends so we broke his nose" only gets you in trouble.

Zero tolerance sets up a situation were if you fight back you get busted as well.  The kids being picked on already tend to be the kind that want to avoid breaking the rules so heaping on the threat of punishment just puts them in a shiaty situation.  either fight back and get in trouble or take it and become a permanent target.

Luckily I learned early on that if you can score a couple of good punches to the face of said bully, the 2 day suspension was worth not getting farked with for the next 4 years.
 
2013-10-18 11:36:34 AM

Warlordtrooper: If this is you're position you have no right to complain about school shootings

What

?
 
2013-10-18 11:36:49 AM

ikanreed: HotIgneous Intruder: ikanreed: Bullying, by and large, are the set of behaviors that are pretty okay with friends, but would get you sent to jail if you did them to a stranger as an adult.

Only if you were raised in a dysfunctional environment and family.

If your friend punched you in the arm over something you did, you wouldn't get them charged with assault.  If a co-worker did, I(at least) probably would.


I kind of left that behavior behind when I was a teenager.
None of my friends punch each other on the shoulders.

Life is not high school.
People who fail to learn that end up incarcerated or worse.
 
2013-10-18 11:37:42 AM
there's a weird either/or thing going on in this thread. I don't think someone saying that the term "bullying" is over-used is saying that bullying is okay or not an actual issue.
 
2013-10-18 11:37:55 AM
CNN, where news goes to die.
 
2013-10-18 11:38:01 AM
Just don't mess with the wooly bully.
 
2013-10-18 11:38:24 AM

Tman144: Bullies never scared me as a kid. I had two older brothers who liked watching the WWF. One was twice the size of any kid I ever went to school with. Plus, a swift kick to the balls works on anyone.

were bullies.

FTFY
 
2013-10-18 11:38:34 AM
From reading the article, it sounds more like crusaders against bullying have joined the ranks of radfems and social justice warriors by crying "foul" at every tiny slight, thus completely undermining the original cause in the process.

People seem to have a hard-on for being able to cry "persecution", and whatever the hot persecuted group of the day is, whether it be women or gays or blacks or religious groups, some people want in on the attention and go out of their ways to find "evidence" that they're also being persecuted and deserve to be coddled.  Unfortunately, these people only serve as fuel for their opponents, eager to point out, "Look, that gay kid is whining he was denied entry to a sold-out venue solely because he's gay.  That means all gay people who whine about being persecuted are doing it for similarly petty reasons and therefore there's no actual problem and we can ignore them!"
 
2013-10-18 11:38:54 AM

tom baker's scarf: Luckily I learned early on that if you can score a couple of good punches to the face of said bully, the 2 day suspension was worth not getting farked with for the next 4 years.


This.
I got bullied into a fight, kicked the guy's ass, and nobody ever messed with me again.
Ever.

And after the fight, I just melted away into the crowd.
 
2013-10-18 11:39:09 AM
Leading by example and teaching your kid they're a victim wins you a participation trophy you farking loser.
 
2013-10-18 11:39:18 AM

Richard C Stanford: Maybe we have too many parents who think that their Tater Jr is a flawless little angel and its those sissies fault for not realizing that Tater was just fooling around when he tied them to a tree and set their pant legs on fire.


This too. too many asshole parents who think their kids can do no wrong and other adults deserve a beating or jail if they make any comments on lil' Brittany's comportment.
 
2013-10-18 11:40:07 AM
The bullying problem is purely a function of home and school environments where we treat older kids as if they were already adults instead of requiring that they act like adults. Schools have adopted hands off policies where they ignore you unless you're doing something like wearing a t-shirt with a picture of a soldier on it.
 
2013-10-18 11:40:21 AM
www.columbine-online.com
One nerd uprising per year.  Just to keep things balanced.
 
2013-10-18 11:41:28 AM

Warlordtrooper: If this is you're position you have no right to complain about school shootings


School shooters being the pansies. Unable to enter a confrontation without VASTLY stacking the deck in their favor.
 
2013-10-18 11:42:19 AM
there are lots of behaviours that would be covered by making a rule saying 'don't be a dick', but the obtuse or disingenuous have to have things spelled out to them, and sometimes when you try and spell something nuanced out, it comes out looking overly protective and ridiculous

if only people could just not be dicks
 
2013-10-18 11:42:23 AM

Fast Moon: People seem to have a hard-on for being able to cry "persecution", and whatever the hot persecuted group of the day is, whether it be women or gays or blacks or religious groups, some people want in on the attention and go out of their ways to find "evidence" that they're also being persecuted and deserve to be coddled.  Unfortunately, these people only serve as fuel for their opponents, eager to point out, "Look, that gay kid is whining he was denied entry to a sold-out venue solely because he's gay.  That means all gay people who whine about being persecuted are doing it for similarly petty reasons and therefore there's no actual problem and we can ignore them!"


I was speaking with a friend of mine about this, and we both agreed that there seems to be something distinctly...American about the situation you just described.

Or maybe I'm not being fair - is this  really something inherent in America? Is there something else similar in other first-world countries?

/third-world isn't really a fair comparison
//...mainly because there probably is persecution
 
2013-10-18 11:44:40 AM
It's a control thing.This national campaign of behavior correction. It's going big in schools right now.
Remember the several years of PC this, and PC that... Couldn't say squat anymore because someone might get butthurt about it. Now we all conform to "proper speech"
This bullying thing is now having kids monitor each other and rat out someone that just may be a bit aggressive, which may be just age appropriate, or someone just feeling their oats and figuring out the pecking order.
Granted, physical violence and harm is intolerable, but you'll get kids that will pigeonhole some kid that they don't particularly like, and accuse them of being a bully.
If you see something say something is getting serious. (not that you'd ever see that in braille)

Reverse bullying!
 
2013-10-18 11:44:57 AM

tom baker's scarf: i think the real problem is that "He/they were acting like a diack to me and my friends so we broke his nose" only gets you in trouble.

Zero tolerance sets up a situation were if you fight back you get busted as well.  The kids being picked on already tend to be the kind that want to avoid breaking the rules so heaping on the threat of punishment just puts them in a shiaty situation.  either fight back and get in trouble or take it and become a permanent target.

Luckily I learned early on that if you can score a couple of good punches to the face of said bully, the 2 day suspension was worth not getting farked with for the next 4 years.


I think you sum it up nicely. I was bullied twice as a youth. Both times, the bullying ended abruptly once I decided to fight back. became friends with one of them afterwards. Even in today's zero tolerance culture, would still do the same thing and take whatever punishment the school decided to hand out.
 
2013-10-18 11:45:00 AM
Maybe they could use some sort of math on the pansies, perhaps division.
 
2013-10-18 11:46:05 AM
FTA:"some are urging more precise use of the B-word."

Boofers?
s2.postimg.org
 
2013-10-18 11:46:17 AM

Yogimus: Warlordtrooper: If this is you're position you have no right to complain about school shootings

School shooters being the pansies. Unable to enter a confrontation without VASTLY stacking the deck in their favor.


That doesn't make you a pansy.  That makes you Batman.  I was a scrawny kid, and I learned that it isn't smart to fight under rules that favor the other guy.
 
2013-10-18 11:46:25 AM

Fast Moon: From reading the article, it sounds more like crusaders against bullying have joined the ranks of radfems and social justice warriors by crying "foul" at every tiny slight, thus completely undermining the original cause in the process.

People seem to have a hard-on for being able to cry "persecution", and whatever the hot persecuted group of the day is, whether it be women or gays or blacks or religious groups, some people want in on the attention and go out of their ways to find "evidence" that they're also being persecuted and deserve to be coddled.  Unfortunately, these people only serve as fuel for their opponents, eager to point out, "Look, that gay kid is whining he was denied entry to a sold-out venue solely because he's gay.  That means all gay people who whine about being persecuted are doing it for similarly petty reasons and therefore there's no actual problem and we can ignore them!"


yes this is a good point too. Going down the victim path too far doesn't seem to help in the long run. Maybe I'm getting too old but this new cis-het talk seems a bridge too far. as with the people screeching that self-defense classes and tips for women equate to rape justification.
 
2013-10-18 11:46:58 AM
The tin-pot dictators we allow to be administrators in the school are bullies themselves. Why would anyone think they'd crack down on their own kind? Well, as long as they remember the proper pecking order.
 
2013-10-18 11:47:51 AM
The answer to any bully problem is a foreign exchange student named Carmella.
 
2013-10-18 11:48:39 AM
i.qkme.me
 
2013-10-18 11:48:52 AM
fta "By calling everything bullying, we're actually failing to recognize the seriousness of the problem,"

As long as the offensive behavior is stopped, who cares if bullying retains is special status?
 
2013-10-18 11:48:54 AM
And the pansies grow up and spawn more pansies who grow up and become school board members and assemblymen and senators and write policy.


Calling all car, calling all cars be on the lookout for a woman with a gun shaped object on her shirt, suspect goes by the name of Laverne DeFazio, consider suspect armed and dangerous.
 
2013-10-18 11:48:57 AM
Nation of pussies.
 
2013-10-18 11:51:04 AM

HotIgneous Intruder: tom baker's scarf: Luckily I learned early on that if you can score a couple of good punches to the face of said bully, the 2 day suspension was worth not getting farked with for the next 4 years.

This.
I got bullied into a fight, kicked the guy's ass, and nobody ever messed with me again.
Ever.

And after the fight, I just melted away into the crowd.


Had to do it twice myself, but yeah.  This.
 
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