Korzine: FTA: [The UN] has failed to transform the Middle East into a zone free of weapons of mass destruction.I'm sure they'll get Sisyphus right on it just as soon as he gets the boulder to stop rolling down the hill.
HotIgneous Intruder: No kidding.The Saudis snap their fingers, the US and A! sits and licks its balls.
bakarocket: Or, maybe it's in protest of the fact that a few countries on the council are more equal than the others, and a nay vote by any one of them can stall an initiative voted yes by every other.Good work, Saudis. Stick it to them. Maybe one day the permanent council members will be told to piss off and join the world community on equal terms.
ringersol: bakarocket: "Maybe one day the permanent council members will be told to piss off and join the world community on equal terms."And what happens without permanent council seats?Do you really think the US/Russia/China are going to commit troops somewhere, because a handful of other nations outvoted it?Hey, they can just abstain and let others do what they want, right? Yeah, just like they can right now. If SA, Turkey, et al really wanted to go into Syria, surely they *could*. The UN isn't *stopping* them from making an outside alliance and pursuing their interests.But there's the other wrinkle: do you really think the US/Russia/China are going to *not* defend an interest, just because the some other nations in the UN voted to commit UN troops to attacking it?The permanent council seat vetoes are tantamount to a declaration that "we're willing to resist this militarily." You can work around the permanent members, but if they're declaring that they're willing to blow shiat up, the veto isn't so much a binding decision for another country, but a pretty clear cut warning that your proposed action would trigger a larger war than you likely want.And because of that, we've managed to avoid major world conflicts. Much better Russia gets a veto over UN action in Syria, than SA plows in, triggers Russian retaliation, drawing the US in and igniting the whole damn region/world.TL;DR: The benefit of the UN is preventing escalation, not whether or not they can send blue helmets somewhere.To the end of preventing escalation, only unequal representation (recognizing the unequal power of UN member countries) is it at all useful.
Quackadam: Actually the Saudi's made a couple good points, a couple not all of them. Having a U.N. that hesitates getting involved and then once it does, it does little to warrant their involvements. The Saudi's were basically saying (or so I read it this way) what's the point of joining an all but meaningless organization and until that organization gets serious about it's actions, they will say thanks for the offer but, to put it crudely, come back later when you've grown a pair! This is not just a statement of military power, as one of the post above has mentioned, it covers honoring sanctions, something many countries have a hard time doing, and making sanctions that will actually have a real impact on the country or government it is being applied to. Honoring the commitments being in said group requires when it's needed and doing so quickly and concisely.
shanteyman: If the Saudi's and other Arab countries want something done in Syria, let them go to it. They have well funded, U.S. supplied & trained militaries. Let them send their "sons" to die in some Allah-forsaken desert shiat-hole for a change.The constant need for the Arab countries to have the U.S. spent our capital and blood in their defense is ludicrous.
ReverendJynxed: shanteyman: If the Saudi's and other Arab countries want something done in Syria, let them go to it. They have well funded, U.S. supplied & trained militaries. Let them send their "sons" to die in some Allah-forsaken desert shiat-hole for a change.The constant need for the Arab countries to have the U.S. spent our capital and blood in their defense is ludicrous.We're broke dude.That won't stop us mind you, but we're broke.
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