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2013-10-18 08:53:43 AM
I highly doubt that
 
2013-10-18 08:54:05 AM
I doubt it, but hopefully they'll be less destructive with the hostages they choose to take in the future.
 
2013-10-18 08:56:00 AM

IdBeCrazyIf: I highly doubt that


I think the party as a whole won't do such stupid shiat, I think the TP will still advocate stupid shiat like this because Obamacare
 
2013-10-18 09:04:17 AM
"There's nothing in this for conservatives. Not even a bright or shiny object," a despondent Rep. Tom Massie (R-KY) told TPM. "I don't know how you negotiate up from this capitulation. I think the long faces are a result of the realization, if not the vocalization yet, that this sets the precedent for this Congress."

You set the precedent long before this.  This time, though, it was decided we wouldn't be playing your little game.
 
2013-10-18 09:25:51 AM
Those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it. Do you REALLY think these power hungry idiots learned a damn thing?
 
2013-10-18 09:27:02 AM

SurfaceTension: Those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it. Do you REALLY think these power hungry idiots learned a damn thing?


The old party GOPers, yes. The Tea Party asshats, no
 
2013-10-18 09:29:09 AM
I love the look on that prick's face.
 
2013-10-18 09:33:32 AM
i236.photobucket.com
 
2013-10-18 09:40:29 AM

Mugato: I love the look on that prick's face.


SNL should recall Jon Lovitz to play him in sketches.  Bobby Moynihan is OK, but he just can't achieve the right levels of smarm, smug, and snake oil salesman.
 
2013-10-18 09:48:57 AM
I have a feeling this is the process of the guys who really run the GOP attempting, at least, to jettison the teabaggers from the party. I mean, I can imagine that in the executive suites of Goldman Sachs, when they heard RAND PAUL herping and derping about how the government defaulting on its debt would be no biggie, they looked at each other and said "This has gone far enough."
 
2013-10-18 09:54:23 AM

Diogenes: Mugato: I love the look on that prick's face.

SNL should recall Jon Lovitz to play him in sketches.  Bobby Moynihan is OK, but he just can't achieve the right levels of smarm, smug, and snake oil salesman.


Phil Hartman would have done a good job.
 
2013-10-18 09:56:37 AM

mrshowrules: Phil Hartman would have done a good job.


Goes without saying

/miss him
 
2013-10-18 10:00:29 AM

mrshowrules: Phil Hartman would have done a good job


Hi, I'm John Boehner. You may remember me from such shutdown favorites as "No, we have no plan B, just like your mistress" and "So you think Newt's an asshole"....
 
2013-10-18 10:18:08 AM
I don't believe it. If the GOP really was ok with getting rid of this forever, they'd pass a bill actually getting rid of the debt ceiling forever. Until they do that, I don't buy it.
 
2013-10-18 10:24:54 AM
If they were actually concerned with the debt, that would be one thing.  However, vote in a Republican president and all of a sudden that debt thing gets thrown out the window.  And if you bring it up, they tell you how much you love terrorists.
 
2013-10-18 10:25:05 AM

mrshowrules: Diogenes: Mugato: I love the look on that prick's face.

SNL should recall Jon Lovitz to play him in sketches.  Bobby Moynihan is OK, but he just can't achieve the right levels of smarm, smug, and snake oil salesman.

Phil Hartman would have done a good job.


I loved Vikki. She was the best.
 
2013-10-18 10:27:36 AM
Just think of it, gentlemen. Anthrax a thing of the past.
 
2013-10-18 10:27:42 AM

jake_lex: I have a feeling this is the process of the guys who really run the GOP attempting, at least, to jettison the teabaggers from the party. I mean, I can imagine that in the executive suites of Goldman Sachs, when they heard RAND PAUL herping and derping about how the government defaulting on its debt would be no biggie, they looked at each other and said "This has gone far enough."


Useful idiots have a shelf life.  We've reached the same point as when we clean out the office refrigerator and find the half-empty pint of half-and-half in the back of the bottom shelf of the refrigerator with an expiration date of 2MAR13.
 
2013-10-18 10:40:02 AM

Nadie_AZ: mrshowrules: Diogenes: Mugato: I love the look on that prick's face.

SNL should recall Jon Lovitz to play him in sketches.  Bobby Moynihan is OK, but he just can't achieve the right levels of smarm, smug, and snake oil salesman.

Phil Hartman would have done a good job.

I loved Vikki. She was the best.


On Letterman explaining the dramatic uses of a cigarette:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=imfYfTQnSKE">http://www.youtube.com/w atch?v=imfYfTQnSKE
 
2013-10-18 10:42:44 AM
Of course it is.

Now, back to what we were discussing prior, for how much are you willing to part with that bag of magic beans?
 
2013-10-18 10:43:22 AM

Diogenes: "There's nothing in this for conservatives. Not even a bright or shiny object," a despondent Rep. Tom Massie (R-KY) told TPM. "I don't know how you negotiate up from this capitulation. I think the long faces are a result of the realization, if not the vocalization yet, that this sets the precedent for this Congress."


i.imgur.com
 
2013-10-18 10:43:50 AM
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2013-10-18 10:44:17 AM

IdBeCrazyIf: I highly doubt that


Agreed.  Teatards can't learn from the past.  They'll pull this stupid shiat every time they get a chance.
 
2013-10-18 10:44:32 AM
I'll believe it when I see it.
 
2013-10-18 10:46:55 AM

HMS_Blinkin: IdBeCrazyIf: I highly doubt that

Agreed.  Teatards can't learn from the past.  They'll pull this stupid shiat every time they get a chance.


Again, as of right now, Teatards don't hold a vast majority of the party currently in the House/Senate. Those that aren't siding with the Teatards sound to be far more open to compromising with Democrats to prevent this shiat from happening again, because this causes more harm to their reelection chances than a tea party primary at this point
 
2013-10-18 10:49:06 AM
TFA assumes rational behavior.
That's a terrible assumption as regards the toddlers in the GOP.
 
2013-10-18 10:49:22 AM
I am 100% positive the Tea Party is not done using the debt ceiling as a threat of economic terrorism. They know without a shadow of a doubt that they are right and that their crusade is holy. They will not rest until Obama is not just defeated, but ground into a fine powder as well. Until everyone else realizes the apocalyptic view of the world they have and smacks them down, we will repeat this charade.
 
2013-10-18 10:49:25 AM
"To my friends in Congress: Understand that how business is done in this town has to change," Obama said Thursday morning, chiding Republicans for repeated brinkmanship and the practice of "lurching from manufactured crisis to manufactured crisis."

For some reason this reminds me of Rusty Venture and the Monarch:

Obama: Oh, you don't know when to stop with all this, do you? You just keep pushing my buttons!
GOP: You're my arch-enemy! That's what I do! That's my thing!
 
2013-10-18 10:50:27 AM

somedude210: IdBeCrazyIf: I highly doubt that

I think the party as a whole won't do such stupid shiat, I think the TP will still advocate stupid shiat like this because Obamacare inbreeding.


FTFY
 
2013-10-18 10:50:39 AM
Nest time, shoot the hostage takers.
Any questions?
 
2013-10-18 10:51:59 AM

Serious Black: I am 100% positive the Tea Party is not done using the debt ceiling as a threat of economic terrorism. They know without a shadow of a doubt that they are right and that their crusade is holy. They will not rest until Obama is not just defeated, but ground into a fine powder as well. Until everyone else realizes the apocalyptic view of the world they have and smacks them down, we will repeat this charade.


This.
 
2013-10-18 10:52:38 AM

Serious Black: I am 100% positive the Tea Party is not done using the debt ceiling as a threat of economic terrorism. They know without a shadow of a doubt that they are right and that their crusade is holy. They will not rest until Obama is not just defeated, but ground into a fine powder as well. Until everyone else realizes the apocalyptic view of the world they have and smacks them down, we will repeat this charade.


I agree that the TP still sees this as a viable method of "negotiating", I still don't think they can effectively use that anymore. The party as a whole has really tried to kill off their influence the last couple of weeks. So they may biatch and moan about it, but I don't think they can effectively use it to destroy the economy and country unless they actually win a majority of the GOP seats in Congress.

At this point, that is the only way they can really use it
 
2013-10-18 10:52:57 AM
Default wasn't seriously threatened then, and after this fiasco, GOP leaders cannot credibly do so again, lest Obama call their bluff a third time.

Challenge accepted. This actually lends them credibility with teabaggers.
 
2013-10-18 10:53:46 AM
IIRC this bill has verbiage in it that would not allow this to even happen in january, even if the teabaggers wanted it to.
 
2013-10-18 10:53:53 AM

Serious Black: I am 100% positive the Tea Party is not done using the debt ceiling as a threat of economic terrorism. They know without a shadow of a doubt that they are right and that their crusade is holy. They will not rest until Obama is not just defeated, but ground into a fine powder as well. Until everyone else realizes the apocalyptic view of the world they have and smacks them down, we will repeat this charade.


I guess we get to find out if there really IS a conspiracy of bankers that controls the country. They'll almost have to smack down the tea baggers if they want to avoid a budget default.
 
2013-10-18 10:54:44 AM
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2013-10-18 10:59:19 AM

somedude210: Serious Black: I am 100% positive the Tea Party is not done using the debt ceiling as a threat of economic terrorism. They know without a shadow of a doubt that they are right and that their crusade is holy. They will not rest until Obama is not just defeated, but ground into a fine powder as well. Until everyone else realizes the apocalyptic view of the world they have and smacks them down, we will repeat this charade.

I agree that the TP still sees this as a viable method of "negotiating", I still don't think they can effectively use that anymore. The party as a whole has really tried to kill off their influence the last couple of weeks. So they may biatch and moan about it, but I don't think they can effectively use it to destroy the economy and country unless they actually win a majority of the GOP seats in Congress.

At this point, that is the only way they can really use it


Senator Thad Cochran from Mississippi has yet to decide whether he will run for re-election in 2014. The Club for Growth and the Senate Conservatives Fund have already endorsed a prospective challenger to his seat solely because of his vote for the funding bill on Wednesday. They are going to try their damnedest to get the majority on their side and push through their agenda.
 
2013-10-18 10:59:34 AM
The Republicans are sending Paul Ryan to the budget talks.  Paul Ryan, who's budget was rejected by the majority of Americans as the vice presidential nominee.  Paul Ryan, who's budget has been submitted for a vote on the house floor at least twice and each time was unanimously rejected by his own party.  Sending Paul Ryan to budget talks tells me Republicans are not taking the responsibility of running a country seriously.
 
2013-10-18 11:00:28 AM
We really have a bunch of terrorists in the House of Representatives. They are a group of ideologues that are unwilling and/or incapable of seeing the other side of an argument. They have justified to themselves that they are right and that their vision is the only way. It is what resulted in a few planes being flown into buildings and this group will stop at nothing to destroy this country in an attempt to get it to conform to their "vision". It can't be bargained with. It can't be reasoned with. It doesn't feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And it absolutely will not stop, ever, until the country is dead.
 
2013-10-18 11:00:31 AM
I'm pretty sure the republicans folded after the money guys told them to stop fooling around, a global crash is bad for business. Wouldn't stop the Tea Party, but anyone else would.
Add in China's BS about changing from the dollar from to another currency-to-be-named-later. The last time a country tried something like that (Iraq threatening to price their oil in Euros), we invaded. Invading the rest of the planet is, sadly, an option not currently available.
 
2013-10-18 11:00:38 AM
Republicans folded one day before the deadline, proving that default is a bridge too far for them.

In other words, Democrats stonewalled and Republicans cowered like chickenshiats, in a manner similar to when they talk about gutting/eliminating medicare and other programs, but not following through with it when the opportunity presents itself.
 
2013-10-18 11:00:58 AM

Serious Black: I am 100% positive the Tea Party is not done using the debt ceiling as a threat of economic terrorism. They know without a shadow of a doubt that they are right and that their crusade is holy. They will not rest until Obama is not just defeated, but ground into a fine powder as well. Until everyone else realizes the apocalyptic view of the world they have and smacks them down, we will repeat this charade.


I agree -- the tea party would do it again in a heartbeat.  But I think the cooler heads of the rank-and-file GOP have seen the results of letting them go full derp and will somehow find a way to make sure it doesn't happen again.  They lost badly and they know they can't afford to lose like this again.
 
2013-10-18 11:02:40 AM
Maybe not a thing of the past, but definitely a much tougher sell to party leadership. This latest fiasco proves that the Republicans (as everyone knew) don't want to pull the trigger on default any more than anyone else does; it's the gravy train. Any further threats on that front should be considered the fully unserious whining that they are.
 
2013-10-18 11:02:54 AM

Serious Black: somedude210: Serious Black: I am 100% positive the Tea Party is not done using the debt ceiling as a threat of economic terrorism. They know without a shadow of a doubt that they are right and that their crusade is holy. They will not rest until Obama is not just defeated, but ground into a fine powder as well. Until everyone else realizes the apocalyptic view of the world they have and smacks them down, we will repeat this charade.

I agree that the TP still sees this as a viable method of "negotiating", I still don't think they can effectively use that anymore. The party as a whole has really tried to kill off their influence the last couple of weeks. So they may biatch and moan about it, but I don't think they can effectively use it to destroy the economy and country unless they actually win a majority of the GOP seats in Congress.

At this point, that is the only way they can really use it

Senator Thad Cochran from Mississippi has yet to decide whether he will run for re-election in 2014. The Club for Growth and the Senate Conservatives Fund have already endorsed a prospective challenger to his seat solely because of his vote for the funding bill on Wednesday. They are going to try their damnedest to get the majority on their side and push through their agenda.


And you know what? They will fail.

The Senate, for the most part, is going to be reasonable because they are held accountable by their entire state. So all of those little hamlets and districts that have tea coming out of their nose are usually offset by the non-crazy people that are just trying to live a normal life in the cities. The senators may side with "party" for a while, but they at least will recognize when it's time to put on their big boy pants and act like grownups (see McConnell, who the TP is now calling biatch McConnell...seriously, grow up guys)
 
2013-10-18 11:03:43 AM

Makh: If they were actually concerned with the debt, that would be one thing.  However, vote in a Republican president and all of a sudden that debt thing gets thrown out the window.  And if you bring it up, they tell you how much you love terrorists.


If they were actually concerned with the debt, they'd be floating increased revenue measures (that's tax hikes for those of you in Talk Radio land)  or cuts to the elephant in the corner known as defense spending.
 
2013-10-18 11:05:17 AM

Serious Black: Senator Thad Cochran from Mississippi has yet to decide whether he will run for re-election in 2014. The Club for Growth and the Senate Conservatives Fund have already endorsed a prospective challenger to his seat solely because of his vote for the funding bill on Wednesday. They are going to try their damnedest to get the majority on their side and push through their agenda.


they are, Palin vowed to see McConnell, Graham, McCain and all the others to oust them too. But there's a great deal of talk and that's it. I think you're overestimating their chances, I don't think they'll actually achieve what they hope for. I think the fact they want to destroy the economy out of spite will work better for the "moderates" than the TP.

They will challenge left and right, but they will get ousted quite handily in the primaries and a long, dogged primary fight will hurt the GOPer that survives in the general.

What you *will* see, most likely, is the DNC putting shiatloads of cash into races that they wouldn't normally try for since this is probably the best shot of winning the election for them. The Democrats will finally start putting up more viable candidates and less sacrificial lambs this time around

/not to mention the DNC has a far better GOTV effort
 
2013-10-18 11:06:17 AM

pueblonative: Makh: If they were actually concerned with the debt, that would be one thing.  However, vote in a Republican president and all of a sudden that debt thing gets thrown out the window.  And if you bring it up, they tell you how much you love terrorists.

If they were actually concerned with the debt, they'd be floating increased revenue measures (that's tax hikes for those of you in Talk Radio land)  or cuts to the elephant in the corner known as defense spending.


If they were ACTUALLY concerned with debt, they'd at least begin to talk about a budget instead of pulling these shutdown stunts. Without a budget they don't have to have been shown as agreeing to anything. So they can continue to proselytize and argue for an unattainable ideal that they know will never have a chance of seeing the light of day in a functioning government. But without being forced to vote on it, they can't be called out on their shiat by their constituents.
 
2013-10-18 11:07:06 AM

Weaver95: Serious Black: I am 100% positive the Tea Party is not done using the debt ceiling as a threat of economic terrorism. They know without a shadow of a doubt that they are right and that their crusade is holy. They will not rest until Obama is not just defeated, but ground into a fine powder as well. Until everyone else realizes the apocalyptic view of the world they have and smacks them down, we will repeat this charade.

I guess we get to find out if there really IS a conspiracy of bankers that controls the country. They'll almost have to smack down the tea baggers if they want to avoid a budget default.


FTFY, buddy.

I know some see it as a cynical view, but I simply don't believe anyone can do anything about the Tea Party unless they realize that the Tea Party treats politics like dogmatic religion. There is no way to get to common ground with somebody who believes they occupy the only defensible position and compromise means people who disagree with you giving up and agreeing with you.
 
2013-10-18 11:09:58 AM
The GOP did not suffer a defeat at all.  The Tea Party did.

The "GOP" joined forces with Democrats to continue business as usual.  That is, funneling as much money into the hands of wealthy Republicans via the hands of poor and middle class Democrats as possible.

When you understand where your "entitlement" or "subsidy" or "stimulus" money ends up, stop biatching about the rich getting richer and recognize what's really going on.
 
2013-10-18 11:10:43 AM

Diogenes: "There's nothing in this for conservatives. Not even a bright or shiny object," a despondent Rep. Tom Massie (R-KY) told TPM. "I don't know how you negotiate up from this capitulation. I think the long faces are a result of the realization, if not the vocalization yet, that this sets the precedent for this Congress."

You set the precedent long before this.  This time, though, it was decided we wouldn't be playing your little game.


It seems unfair to the GOP.  They hated all the right things and never left the echo chamber and what do they get?  Nothing, nada, zip, zero, zilch, fark all, bubkass.   Poor bastards.   What would be the humane solution at this point should be the question we ask ourselves.
 
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