BgJonson79: I'm a fairly stalwart Libertarian, and even I can't figure out how society can exist without government. Care to give me a Reader's Digest example?
Fano: FarkedOver: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: You really expect an IT helpdesk associate whose job is to troubleshoot software for a financial consultant at a telecom company to "control the means of production"? The production of what? And how would they control it?Socialism is not just for industrial workers. It's for all workers of all countries every where. The product is the software. The software, like machines, needs repairs and needs people who understand it and how to operate it. Your lack of vision in how to incorporate office workers within a socialist system is not my problem, but your own short sightedness.You're just as smart as Lenin, I'll give you that.
FarkedOver: Phinn: Of course it is. Even your hypothetical starving worker is greatly improving his situation (starvation -> death) by making a voluntary agreement with an employer to get paid for work (income -> food).That is not a hypothetical. Every person that sells their labor power does so in order to survive. That's not a choice. That is the very definition of subjugation and coercion.
uber humper: Slaves2Darkness: uber humper: [www.betterthanpants.com image 704x272] If all you do is hope, you won't see any changeIt's working great for the Blue states, but hey those Red states that refuse to give "Government Handouts" seem to be falling further and further behind. It's almost like in the 21st century we need our government to help us achieve success. That the "land of opportunity" is increasingly the "land of need an education".I look at the map in the article and it corresponds very closely with how much aid states give to the poor. Those states that have liberal welfare policies have lowered poverty rates, high education rates, and better economies then states that don't.I agree about the education but we need to find a better way to handle welfare.China just dropped our credit rating because we are financing debt with more debt. There is a tipping point on how much we can spend. The gov is currently paying 2% on the debt, once that goes up to more realistic numbers, the welfare is gonna take huge a hit. It;s not sustainable. And the rich don't have enough money to tax.
uber humper: FarkedOver: uber humper: If you believe that shiat, you've bought yourself a wasted life. If you want to help society, learn some skills and pitch into the economy -- otherwise, you're a dragWell reasoned argument. I applaud you.I'll pitch you some food, someday. Be nice.
generallyso: We're barreling towards our fifth consecutive decade of stagnant wages with virtually all gains in income going to the the richest echelons of the economy while costs have continued to rise.
Ned Stark: DrewCurtisJr: Tom_Slick: Get rid of NCLB and maybe we can get some decent public schools again.What? The reason we have NCLB is because the public schools weren't doing well, especially with low income students.Its a nessecary but not sufficient condition.
uber humper: [www.betterthanpants.com image 704x272] If all you do is hope, you won't see any change
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