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(The Atlantic)   Modern Poverty: Almost half of Public School students are now low-income ..... students from low-income families tend to end up parents of low-income families   (theatlantic.com) divider line 324
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2013-10-18 10:53:44 AM

stuhayes2010: This was predicted when I took anthropology in 1995.  I remember thinking it was kind of ridiculous and wouldn't happen.  Well, sadly, I was wrong.


We're barreling towards our fifth consecutive decade of stagnant wages with virtually all gains in income going to the the richest echelons of the economy while costs have continued to rise. An increase in poor people is unavoidable.
 
2013-10-18 10:53:46 AM

RedPhoenix122: I was a low income child...slowly making it up the ladder.


I was too, the 80's.  Things really turned around in the 90s.

I make a very good living these days, but both my parents demanded I do well and helped me do well in school.
 
2013-10-18 10:53:53 AM
 
2013-10-18 10:54:42 AM

FarkedOver: This should be at every school:

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If you believe that shiat, you've bought yourself a wasted life.  If you want to help society, learn some skills and pitch into the economy --  otherwise, you're a drag
 
2013-10-18 10:54:49 AM
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2013-10-18 10:55:04 AM

uber humper: [www.betterthanpants.com image 704x272] If all you do is hope, you won't see any change


Pretty good so far. No pre-existing condition clauses... no senseless wars... using science rather than mysticism to solve problems. Things are looking up a bit.
 
2013-10-18 10:55:18 AM
You know, the thing only really said the 2008 recession really kicked our asses.

Like seriously, SERIOUSLY kicked our asses.
 
2013-10-18 10:55:25 AM

generallyso: We're barreling towards our fifth consecutive decade of stagnant wages with virtually all gains in income going to the the richest echelons of the economy while costs have continued to rise.


But we can't do anything that might affect the rich in even the smallest way! Why that'd be class warfare.
 
2013-10-18 10:55:36 AM

GameSprocket: The Muthaship: If only it was possible to not have kids you can't provide for.

So, since we have established the difficulty in moving up the social ladder, you are really saying that only those who are from good families should ever be able to reproduce? Maybe we can just sterilize the poor, but then we would only have one generation Wal-Mart employees. Can't have that!


People who make bad decisions tend to a) be poor, and b) be less responsible with birth control?
 
2013-10-18 10:56:10 AM

uber humper: If you believe that shiat, you've bought yourself a wasted life. If you want to help society, learn some skills and pitch into the economy -- otherwise, you're a drag


Well reasoned argument.  I applaud you.
 
2013-10-18 10:56:32 AM

GameSprocket: The Muthaship: If only it was possible to not have kids you can't provide for.

So, since we have established the difficulty in moving up the social ladder, you are really saying that only those who are from good families should ever be able to reproduce? Maybe we can just sterilize the poor, but then we would only have one generation Wal-Mart employees. Can't have that!


On the contrary.  It's how England became the first country in the history of the world, basically, to not be a gigantic cauldron of misery.

http://infoproc.blogspot.com/2011/08/demography-and-fast-evolution.h tm l
 
2013-10-18 10:56:57 AM
I don't know what 'low income' in the US is, but on the surface, statistically, having a population with 50% 'low income' doesn't seem too alarming in itself.
 
2013-10-18 10:56:57 AM
Of all developed countries the US has the lowest rate of social mobility.  The rich stay rich, and the poor stay poor.  The US as meritocracy is a lie.
 
2013-10-18 10:57:17 AM

uber humper: [www.betterthanpants.com image 704x272] If all you do is hope, you won't see any change


Mmmm, funny how the article's maps paint a dismal picture of poverty levels in states that mostly are run by Republicans, i.e. Texas, Mississippi, Alabama, Georgia, South Carolia, Florida, etc.

/I would hope voters based their choices on who & what is best for themselves and their country.
//I try to change the minds of those voters who'd rather shoot themselves in the head rather than vote Democrat.
 
2013-10-18 10:57:24 AM
As my old man used to say: "The curse of the poor is its poverty"
 
2013-10-18 10:57:36 AM

FarkedOver: uber humper: If you believe that shiat, you've bought yourself a wasted life. If you want to help society, learn some skills and pitch into the economy -- otherwise, you're a drag

Well reasoned argument.  I applaud you.


I'll pitch you some food, someday.  Be nice.
 
2013-10-18 10:57:40 AM
The reasons why are both complicated and familiar. In an interview with the Post, one of the study's authors pointed to the "2008 recession, immigration and a high birthrate among low-income families," as factors. The changes were happening before the economy collapsed, but the bust exacerbated them.

I know the proper thing is to find an easy ideological solution but these factors make it very hard. (Except on fark.)
 
2013-10-18 10:59:33 AM
We have to wait for the one thing that seems to ever solves our problems... technology. I'm not sure why it is taking so long to integrate fun computer games kids will love to play into education. I imagine there is a lot of push back from the stale educational establishment that will keep insisting that education be tedious and horrible.
 
2013-10-18 11:00:32 AM

The Muthaship: If only it was possible to not have kids you can't provide for.


It's possible, but it's very difficult, based on the way our hormonal physiology has evolved.
 
2013-10-18 11:01:18 AM

uber humper: FarkedOver: uber humper: If you believe that shiat, you've bought yourself a wasted life. If you want to help society, learn some skills and pitch into the economy -- otherwise, you're a drag

Well reasoned argument.  I applaud you.

I'll pitch you some food, someday.  Be nice.


Pitching into the economy, as you have said I should do, what does that mean? That we should work harder even though our wages have flat lined.  We should work longer so we can have more take home pay to keep our heads above water.  Capitalism is bullshiat.  Cooperation is the only way we can and the only way we will succeed as a planet.  Get used to it.

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2013-10-18 11:02:10 AM
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2013-10-18 11:02:25 AM

hitlersbrain: We have to wait for the one thing that seems to ever solves our problems... technology. I'm not sure why it is taking so long to integrate fun computer games kids will love to play into education. I imagine there is a lot of push back from the stale educational establishment that will keep insisting that education be tedious and horrible.


The education system trains us for the tedious and horrible-ness that is working.  That is educations function. Prepare us to be good little workers.
 
2013-10-18 11:02:51 AM

shifty lookin bleeder: [i1.ytimg.com image 850x478]


On a different note, anyone else noticed those breastesses in the background?
 
2013-10-18 11:03:26 AM
Everybody is free to temp for 1974 wages because ... FREEDOM.

/Fark all ya'll and your service economy.
 
2013-10-18 11:03:51 AM
Never underestimate Farkers' eagerness to punch down.
 
2013-10-18 11:05:11 AM
Hey waity a minute, did not LBJ and the Democrats say that spending on the Great Society, and declaring "War on Poverty," would eliminate this problem!  Sixteen trillion later I am still reading articles like this and listening to ads about one in eight children are hungry.  Holy Shiat and now we turned over Healthcare to these Bozo's.
 
2013-10-18 11:06:09 AM
There is a statistic that nearly every poor kid has at least one poor parent. Very disturbing.
 
2013-10-18 11:09:23 AM
Fact 1: Stupid people tend to be poorer than smart people

Fact 2: stupid people are more likely to have stupid kids than smart people

Fact 3: stupid kids grow up to be stupid adults that, surprise surprise, tend to be poorer than smart adults.

Why is any of this in any way surprising?
 
2013-10-18 11:10:12 AM
If we'd stop using mostly local funding for public schools, we'd go a long way toward solving our horribly inequitable public school system. Of course I doubt that will ever happen in most states. The suburbanites with the money have power and a vested interest in making sure their kids have the best funded public schools (if they don't send their kids to private schools). Fark those poor people in the inner city.
 
2013-10-18 11:10:15 AM

2xcited: Hey waity a minute, did not LBJ and the Democrats say that spending on the Great Society, and declaring "War on Poverty," would eliminate this problem!  Sixteen trillion later I am still reading articles like this and listening to ads about one in eight children are hungry.  Holy Shiat and now we turned over Healthcare to these Bozo's.


Yes privatize the shiat out of everything.  We can grin and bear it while we're getting fisted by invisible hand of the free market as our corporate overlords laugh and kick us while we're down.  Good idea.
 
2013-10-18 11:11:05 AM

Debeo Summa Credo: Fact 1: Stupid people tend to be poorer than smart people

Fact 2: stupid people are more likely to have stupid kids than smart people

Fact 3: stupid kids grow up to be stupid adults that, surprise surprise, tend to be poorer than smart adults.


Fact 4: Stupid people tend to be conservative.

Why is any of this in any way surprising?

You forgot one.  FTFY.
 
2013-10-18 11:11:39 AM
Yet another good reason to not send your child to public school of you care about their safety. All children can be evil shiats, but the evil that poor children do tends to be of the violent nature.
 
2013-10-18 11:11:53 AM
Unfortunately, your success in school IS CORRELATED TO what your parents earn.

I don't think schools give kids bad grades because they are poor as the author states in the second sentence. Leading off your article with an erroneous supposition means you're wasting your time writing anything afterwards & leads me to not read it.
 
2013-10-18 11:12:22 AM

Debeo Summa Credo: Fact 1: Stupid people tend to be poorer than smart people

Fact 2: stupid people are more likely to have stupid kids than smart people

Fact 3: stupid kids grow up to be stupid adults that, surprise surprise, tend to be poorer than smart adults.

Why is any of this in any way surprising?


Yeah... it's knida like... Darwin-ish.
 
2013-10-18 11:12:41 AM

GameSprocket: The Muthaship: If only it was possible to not have kids you can't provide for.

So, since we have established the difficulty in moving up the social ladder, you are really saying that only those who are from good families should ever be able to reproduce? Maybe we can just sterilize the poor, but then we would only have one generation Wal-Mart employees. Can't have that!


It'll work out fine, eventually we Morlocks will eat the Eloi, we will get our revenge in the future.
 
2013-10-18 11:12:43 AM

uber humper: Slaves2Darkness: uber humper: [www.betterthanpants.com image 704x272] If all you do is hope, you won't see any change

It's working great for the Blue states, but hey those Red states that refuse to give "Government Handouts" seem to be falling further and further behind. It's almost like in the 21st century we need our government to help us achieve success. That the "land of opportunity" is increasingly the "land of need an education".

I look at the map in the article and it corresponds very closely with how much aid states give to the poor. Those states that have liberal welfare policies have lowered poverty rates, high education rates, and better economies then states that don't.


I agree about the education but we need to find a better way to handle welfare.

China just dropped our credit rating because we are financing debt with more debt.  There is a tipping point on how much we can spend. The gov is currently paying 2% on the debt, once that goes up to more realistic numbers, the welfare is gonna take huge a hit. It;s not sustainable.  And the rich don't have enough money to tax.


It's a good thing welfare is the only item on the budget we could possibly be wasting money on.

I wonder if we cut defense spending to only 25% of the budget and contented ourselves with only having the most expensive military in the world instead of the galaxy how much welfare and tax cuts we could afford...
 
2013-10-18 11:13:30 AM

2xcited: Hey waity a minute, did not LBJ and the Democrats say that spending on the Great Society, and declaring "War on Poverty," would eliminate this problem!  Sixteen trillion later I am still reading articles like this and listening to ads about one in eight children are hungry.  Holy Shiat and now we turned over Healthcare to these Bozo's.


I thought 99.6% of poor people own a refrigerator and poor people aren't really poor so they should get some skin in the game and pay more in taxes?
 
2013-10-18 11:13:53 AM

2xcited: Hey waity a minute, did not LBJ and the Democrats say that spending on the Great Society, and declaring "War on Poverty," would eliminate this problem!  Sixteen trillion later I am still reading articles like this and listening to ads about one in eight children are hungry.  Holy Shiat and now we turned over Healthcare to these Bozo's.




It might have, except some bozos like Reagan, Bush, W Bush had pretty much dismantled all of that. Oh they also set up systems like vouchers and charter schools. Guess who can't go to those? Poor people.
 
2013-10-18 11:15:14 AM
I wonder if they actually checked to confirm if those people are poor.


Illinois just discovered that over 50% of the Medicaid claims they paid out were paid to people who are ineligible for Medicaid.

It seems that government workers took people at their word and never checked.

A couple months back they even had the kids of $175k a year assemblymen collecting free school lunches because they cheated the system and claimed they were poor.
 
2013-10-18 11:15:40 AM

Headso: I thought 99.6% of poor people own a refrigerator and poor people aren't really poor so they should get some skin in the game and pay more in taxes?


Technically they don't own the refrigerator.  Poor people are more inclined to rent and a refrigerator is provided to the tenant by the landlord.  I think the proper way to say it would be 99.6% of poor people have access to a refrigerator.
 
2013-10-18 11:16:00 AM

hitlersbrain: We have to wait for the one thing that seems to ever solves our problems... technology. I'm not sure why it is taking so long to integrate fun computer games kids will love to play into education. I imagine there is a lot of push back from the stale educational establishment that will keep insisting that education be tedious and horrible.


They exist, my kids use them

Starfall.com is awesome for learning the alphabet and learning to read.

They have some fun math games as well on other sites.
 
2013-10-18 11:16:42 AM
It's expensive to be poor in America.
 
2013-10-18 11:16:49 AM

patrick767: If we'd stop using mostly local funding for public schools, we'd go a long way toward solving our horribly inequitable public school system. Of course I doubt that will ever happen in most states. The suburbanites with the money have power and a vested interest in making sure their kids have the best funded public schools (if they don't send their kids to private schools). Fark those poor people in the inner city.


There was a PBS show a few years back on education and poverty that showed money spent in inner cities and very poor rural areas did not go as far as the same amount spent in more affluent areas. Teachers cost more to keep, books and supplies were more difficult to attain per student for the same price, administrative salaries were through the roof, the tech equipment fell into disrepair more quickly. Money is a problem, but there are culture and community issues that may have more of an impact overall on education that needs to be addressed first.
 
2013-10-18 11:17:54 AM

FarkedOver: uber humper: FarkedOver: uber humper: If you believe that shiat, you've bought yourself a wasted life. If you want to help society, learn some skills and pitch into the economy -- otherwise, you're a drag

Well reasoned argument.  I applaud you.

I'll pitch you some food, someday.  Be nice.

Pitching into the economy, as you have said I should do, what does that mean? That we should work harder even though our wages have flat lined.  We should work longer so we can have more take home pay to keep our heads above water.  Capitalism is bullshiat.  Cooperation is the only way we can and the only way we will succeed as a planet.  Get used to it.

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If you don't have skills, a communist society won't want you either. The US is still one of the easiest countries to start a business and work for yourself.

If all you do is drink vodka and listen to music, instead of learning, you are a drag on wherever you are. What are people like that good for? Knowledge is practically free.  You're on the Internet, use it!
 
2013-10-18 11:17:54 AM
I grew up with a criminal alcoholic mom, went days at a time w/out a meal, spent some time living in a broken down Oldsmobile. I went to some crappy schools, but had to be self-motivated and was always challenging myself in math/science. Somehow, I now have 1st world problems (build vs. buy outdoor pizza oven for the upcoming kitchen & pool)

I feel like I got in (generationally) before that door shut, and the stream of class climbers in the 90s has slowed to a trickle. It's very awkward being the only one in my extended family to transcend poverty, but I am thankful, and I try to be generous.
 
2013-10-18 11:18:00 AM

Debeo Summa Credo: Fact 1: Stupid people tend to be poorer than smart people

Fact 2: stupid people are more likely to have stupid kids than smart people

Fact 3: stupid kids grow up to be stupid adults that, surprise surprise, tend to be poorer than smart adults.

Why is any of this in any way surprising?


The surprising thing is your facts aren't even really true.

People with 140 IQ scores (a score of 100 is average) missed payments and maxed-out their credit cards more often than their lower IQ counterparts. They went bankrupt at a rate, 14.1%, close to the rate of people with an IQ of 80, 15.2%. "Only among people slightly above-average does an increasing IQ score lead to a reduced chance of financial distress," says the study. "The survey provides no data to explain why this occurs," but Zagorsky offers these explanations for High IQ types getting into financial hot water:

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/tech/science/columnist/vergano/2007-0 8- 12-smart-not-rich_N.htm
 
2013-10-18 11:18:24 AM
I blame the manufacturing jobs going overseas, was a time when a person could get a fairly good paying job with just a high school education and a little training.
 
2013-10-18 11:18:36 AM

patrick767: If we'd stop using mostly local funding for public schools, we'd go a long way toward solving our horribly inequitable public school system. Of course I doubt that will ever happen in most states. The suburbanites with the money have power and a vested interest in making sure their kids have the best funded public schools (if they don't send their kids to private schools). Fark those poor people in the inner city.


They have been doing that for decades in NJ. It is called an Abbott School District, they take money from all over NJ to fund their schools, not just local revenue. They receive the most money per student in the state with wealthier districts getting sometimes 5k less per student. Last I checked Camden was at 22k per student.

It hasn't helped.

The culture of baby daddies and single parents and 4 year olds hanging out on street corners at 2am is probably more to blame than revenue.
 
2013-10-18 11:18:51 AM

Headso: GameSprocket: The Muthaship: If only it was possible to not have kids you can't provide for.

So, since we have established the difficulty in moving up the social ladder, you are really saying that only those who are from good families should ever be able to reproduce? Maybe we can just sterilize the poor, but then we would only have one generation Wal-Mart employees. Can't have that!

Yep, in this thread poor people in America are too poor to have kids.  In the next thread he will be saying that the American poor have it better than ever and they aren't really poor. Then a thread about the war on poverty will come up and he will say it was a total failure because we have so many poor people. These guys are all over the place with their talkingpoints, don't expect a coherent answer.


Fun additional fact, the well educated tend to have less kids. Solution? Provide quality education to all.
 
2013-10-18 11:18:58 AM

tricycleracer: It's expensive to be poor in America.


More than once I've heard the sentiment "I'm too poor to shop at Walmart, because that shiat falls apart all the time, and I cannot afford to be replacing stuff all the time"
 
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