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(The Atlantic)   Modern Poverty: Almost half of Public School students are now low-income ..... students from low-income families tend to end up parents of low-income families   (theatlantic.com) divider line 324
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2013-10-18 08:58:00 AM
I was a low income child...slowly making it up the ladder.
 
2013-10-18 10:35:51 AM
30 years of stagnant wages, combined with rising costs. The top 1% controlling more wealth than any time in our nation's history. An economy designed to create service workers.

Are we supposed to be surprised that people are stuck in poverty?
 
2013-10-18 10:36:13 AM
Land of opportunity to do exactly what your parents did and nothing else.
 
2013-10-18 10:36:44 AM
If only it was possible to not have kids you can't provide for.
 
2013-10-18 10:37:05 AM
The leading cause of poverty is...*drum roll*...POVERTY!  Who could have guessed that a system which requires a suffering underclass will tend to perpetuate that underclass?
 
2013-10-18 10:37:07 AM
Clearly the solution to this is to use education dollars on vouchers.
 
2013-10-18 10:37:31 AM
There's plenty of precedent in history for this separating out of classes (and castes).

RIP United States.
 
2013-10-18 10:37:41 AM
www.betterthanpants.com If all you do is hope, you won't see any change
 
2013-10-18 10:38:21 AM
heh! at NY what a dump, the only state in the north east with such a high poverty rate.
 
2013-10-18 10:38:46 AM

The Muthaship: If only it was possible to not have kids you can't provide for.


hey now we can't punish poor women for having sex!  that's sexist!  why do you hate women?

/what some people on fark really believe.
 
2013-10-18 10:38:56 AM
I blame No Child Left Behind, public schools now teach to the test, their only concerns are attendance and the test.  Private schools (the good ones not the derpy creationist Christian schools) are actually still teaching like Public schools did 30 years ago, so if parents have the means and opportunity they are pulling their kids out.

Get rid of NCLB and maybe we can get some decent public schools again.
 
2013-10-18 10:39:31 AM
The more you give the more they take. Off the cliff we go.
 
2013-10-18 10:39:32 AM

Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: Clearly the solution to this is to use education dollars on vouchers.


and use medicare dollars as vouchers.
 
2013-10-18 10:39:54 AM

Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: Clearly the solution to this is to use education dollars on vouchers.


Vouchers are for a different problem. Where did that come from?
 
2013-10-18 10:40:04 AM
So almost half of public school students are getting a completely free education subsidized by everyone else.  Not our fault they don't take advantage of it.

/Man, can you believe Mr. Teacher?  Making us be on time for class??  That's so stupid.
 
2013-10-18 10:40:47 AM

Devo: Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: Clearly the solution to this is to use education dollars on vouchers.

and use medicare dollars as vouchers.


Yea, the US already spends more on medicare than education.
 
2013-10-18 10:40:56 AM

BobCumbers: The more you give the more they take. Off the cliff we go.


Are you talking about cutting taxes for job creators?
 
2013-10-18 10:41:15 AM

The Muthaship: If only it was possible to not have kids you can't provide for.


Sorry but it's just human nature for people to want to propagate the species.  Why do you hate human nature?
 
2013-10-18 10:41:37 AM
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2013-10-18 10:41:50 AM
In America, that is.  Being "low income" as young parents of a young child is not unusual or unexpected.  Young people are the ones having kids (they're fertile after all) and young people are unlikely to be fully established in their careers yet - they are much more likely to have lower incomes, even if they're on a good career trajectory.  Furthermore, having a young child can frequently mean reduced work hours for one or both parents or even one parent not in the workforce at all which really craters income.

In the rest of the civilized modern industrialized wealthy countries of the world, this is just normal, and there's no reason to believe that the child will be starving, unhealthy, uneducated or deprived access to the tools needed to grow up to be successful.  The parents either, for that matter.

It's only in America where we appear to hate poor people and kick them in the teeth at every turn that this is true.  Assistance for food, rent, education, childcare is pathetic.  If you're working poor and you have a kid, you're farked.  If you're in a good career but raising a kid by yourself you're pretty farked too for that matter.
 
2013-10-18 10:42:21 AM

shifty lookin bleeder: [i1.ytimg.com image 850x478]


Farking ditch diggers make good money driving backhoes these days.
 
2013-10-18 10:42:34 AM

Tom_Slick: Get rid of NCLB and maybe we can get some decent public schools again.


What? The reason we have NCLB is because the public schools weren't doing well, especially with low income students.
 
2013-10-18 10:42:36 AM

uber humper: [www.betterthanpants.com image 704x272] If all you do is hope, you won't see any change


This process of decline began more than 50 years ago, at the end of the Eisenhower presidency.
 
2013-10-18 10:42:38 AM

The Muthaship: If only it was possible to not have kids you can't provide for.


So, since we have established the difficulty in moving up the social ladder, you are really saying that only those who are from good families should ever be able to reproduce? Maybe we can just sterilize the poor, but then we would only have one generation Wal-Mart employees. Can't have that!
 
2013-10-18 10:43:13 AM
Simply require their parents to have higher incomes.  Then we can make sure that all the nation's schoolchildren are above average.
 
2013-10-18 10:43:55 AM

uber humper: [www.betterthanpants.com image 704x272] If all you do is hope, you won't see any change


It's working great for the Blue states, but hey those Red states that refuse to give "Government Handouts" seem to be falling further and further behind. It's almost like in the 21st century we need our government to help us achieve success. That the "land of opportunity" is increasingly the "land of need an education".

I look at the map in the article and it corresponds very closely with how much aid states give to the poor. Those states that have liberal welfare policies have lowered poverty rates, high education rates, and better economies then states that don't.
 
2013-10-18 10:44:20 AM
All of these happenings are merely sowing the seeds for socialist revolution in America. It will happen because there will be no other choice.

"Give us a child for 8 years and it will be a Bolshevik forever."
-Lenin
 
2013-10-18 10:44:49 AM

cefm: It's only in America where we appear to hate poor people and kick them in the teeth at every turn that this is true.


Reciprocal altruism implies that voters will dislike giving money to the poor if, as in the United States, the poor are perceived as lazy. In contrast, Europeans overwhelmingly believe that the poor are poor because they have been unfortunate. This difference in views is part of what is sometimes referred to as "American exceptionalism." Link
 
2013-10-18 10:45:01 AM

DrewCurtisJr: Tom_Slick: Get rid of NCLB and maybe we can get some decent public schools again.

What? The reason we have NCLB is because the public schools weren't doing well, especially with low income students.


Is it the low incomes or the students that are the problem?
Hint: Read TFA.

Testing isn't the solution to poor.
 
2013-10-18 10:45:25 AM

DrewCurtisJr: Tom_Slick: Get rid of NCLB and maybe we can get some decent public schools again.

What? The reason we have NCLB is because the public schools weren't doing well, especially with low income students.


It was a good idea, but it didn't work. Look to Atlanta Public Schools.  Funding is tied up with that test so bad schools only teach the kids to pass the test.  So what we end up with is a bunch of kids who spend 12 years only learning how to take standardized tests.
 
2013-10-18 10:45:34 AM

HotIgneous Intruder: uber humper: [www.betterthanpants.com image 704x272] If all you do is hope, you won't see any change

This process of decline began more than 50 years ago, at the end of the Eisenhower presidency.


b-i.forbesimg.com

It's up an down
 
2013-10-18 10:46:36 AM

uber humper: HotIgneous Intruder: uber humper: [www.betterthanpants.com image 704x272] If all you do is hope, you won't see any change

This process of decline began more than 50 years ago, at the end of the Eisenhower presidency.

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It's up an down


I blame Kennedy!
 
2013-10-18 10:47:04 AM
But rich people are doing great. So there's that.
 
2013-10-18 10:47:34 AM

GameSprocket: The Muthaship: If only it was possible to not have kids you can't provide for.

So, since we have established the difficulty in moving up the social ladder, you are really saying that only those who are from good families should ever be able to reproduce? Maybe we can just sterilize the poor, but then we would only have one generation Wal-Mart employees. Can't have that!


Yep, in this thread poor people in America are too poor to have kids.  In the next thread he will be saying that the American poor have it better than ever and they aren't really poor. Then a thread about the war on poverty will come up and he will say it was a total failure because we have so many poor people. These guys are all over the place with their talkingpoints, don't expect a coherent answer.
 
2013-10-18 10:47:59 AM

uber humper: If all you do is hope, you won't see any change


Don't blame me, I voted for Ackerman.

/I wanted to live
 
2013-10-18 10:48:14 AM
The important thing is that we have found someone to blame.
 
2013-10-18 10:48:18 AM
haves have more and the have less have less
 
2013-10-18 10:48:18 AM
This was predicted when I took anthropology in 1995.  I remember thinking it was kind of ridiculous and wouldn't happen.  Well, sadly, I was wrong.
 
2013-10-18 10:49:42 AM

Headso: GameSprocket: The Muthaship: If only it was possible to not have kids you can't provide for.

So, since we have established the difficulty in moving up the social ladder, you are really saying that only those who are from good families should ever be able to reproduce? Maybe we can just sterilize the poor, but then we would only have one generation Wal-Mart employees. Can't have that!

Yep, in this thread poor people in America are too poor to have kids.  In the next thread he will be saying that the American poor have it better than ever and they aren't really poor. Then a thread about the war on poverty will come up and he will say it was a total failure because we have so many poor people. These guys are all over the place with their talkingpoints, don't expect a coherent answer.


If there was a War on Poverty why haven't their leaders been hung for treason and their minions sent to Gitmo?
 
2013-10-18 10:50:18 AM

DrewCurtisJr: Tom_Slick: Get rid of NCLB and maybe we can get some decent public schools again.

What? The reason we have NCLB is because the public schools weren't doing well, especially with low income students.


Its a nessecary but not sufficient condition.
 
2013-10-18 10:50:32 AM

HotIgneous Intruder: Is it the low incomes or the students that are the problem?
Hint: Read TFA.

Testing isn't the solution to poor.


didn't say it was, read the comments again.
 
2013-10-18 10:51:35 AM

Slaves2Darkness: uber humper: [www.betterthanpants.com image 704x272] If all you do is hope, you won't see any change

It's working great for the Blue states, but hey those Red states that refuse to give "Government Handouts" seem to be falling further and further behind. It's almost like in the 21st century we need our government to help us achieve success. That the "land of opportunity" is increasingly the "land of need an education".

I look at the map in the article and it corresponds very closely with how much aid states give to the poor. Those states that have liberal welfare policies have lowered poverty rates, high education rates, and better economies then states that don't.



I agree about the education but we need to find a better way to handle welfare.

China just dropped our credit rating because we are financing debt with more debt.  There is a tipping point on how much we can spend. The gov is currently paying 2% on the debt, once that goes up to more realistic numbers, the welfare is gonna take huge a hit. It;s not sustainable.  And the rich don't have enough money to tax.
 
2013-10-18 10:51:41 AM
This should be at every school:

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2013-10-18 10:51:52 AM

uber humper: Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: Clearly the solution to this is to use education dollars on vouchers.

Vouchers are for a different problem. Where did that come from?


Thread yesterday where southern states were gutting their education budgets in dollar-for-dollar vouchers for religious schools, one-liner snark.
 
2013-10-18 10:52:18 AM

Tom_Slick: It was a good idea, but it didn't work.


didn't work? What do you mean by that?
 
2013-10-18 10:52:20 AM

Ned Stark: DrewCurtisJr: Tom_Slick: Get rid of NCLB and maybe we can get some decent public schools again.

What? The reason we have NCLB is because the public schools weren't doing well, especially with low income students.

Its a nessecary but not sufficient condition.


You want to make the schools decent again? Bring back corporal punishment.
 
2013-10-18 10:52:53 AM

Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: uber humper: Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: Clearly the solution to this is to use education dollars on vouchers.

Vouchers are for a different problem. Where did that come from?

Thread yesterday where southern states were gutting their education budgets in dollar-for-dollar vouchers for religious schools, one-liner snark.


Gotcha, I didn't see it.
 
2013-10-18 10:52:56 AM
That's okay... I just read we have the most richest people in America so we're all supposed to be grateful we live in such a utopia.
 
2013-10-18 10:53:19 AM
Zero tolerance and teaching to the test, combined with other asinine policies assures that anyone who cares about their children will either send them to private school or home school them.
 
2013-10-18 10:53:31 AM
Hey look! All the poorest states are also the states that keep voting AGAINST programs that would help them by voting FOR Republicans.

They may be poor and dumb, but they sure know how to wear pants on their heads!
 
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