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2013-10-18 09:38:25 AM  
Huh. Interesting.
 
2013-10-18 09:46:43 AM  

Weaver95: Huh. Interesting.


is it? because if it is anything like the GOP's post-election-loss "autopsy" i may wait until after breakfast

besides, still digesting Rolling Stone's articles about the GOP - they were tasty
 
2013-10-18 09:47:15 AM  
"'The president gets up every day and reads the newspaper and thanks God that Ted Cruz is in the United States Senate,' a Republican senator pointedly told Cruz at a closed-door meeting."


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2013-10-18 09:47:43 AM  
"House Speaker John Boehner just wanted to sneak out of the White House for a smoke 5th of Scotch."
 
2013-10-18 09:48:12 AM  
"When things were at their worst, some Republican senators urged Vice President Joe Biden to get more involved. But he told each of them it wasn't his call. Biden participated in meetings at the White House but Reid, still angry about the vice president's concessions during the fiscal cliff talks last December, had shut him out of direct negotiations with lawmakers this time around."

I'm not sure what's more hilarious, that Reid told Biden to fark off or that the GOP actually asked for Biden to be involved in the process.
 
2013-10-18 09:48:42 AM  

UberDave: "'The president gets up every day and reads the newspaper and thanks God that Ted Cruz is in the United States Senate,' a Republican senator pointedly told Cruz at a closed-door meeting."


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Oh, to have been a fly on the wall at some of those meetings...
 
2013-10-18 09:49:02 AM  

bwilson27: "House Speaker John Boehner just wanted to sneak out of the White House for a smoke 5th bottle of Scotch."


Let's not sell Speaker Boehner short, here.
 
2013-10-18 09:51:56 AM  
www.secretsofthefed.com
 
2013-10-18 09:52:39 AM  
i.imgur.com
 
2013-10-18 09:52:48 AM  
"Obama and Reid stuck together, emerging as the political victors. Their hard-ball tactics were designed to "break the fever" brought on by the tea party, but it also helped drive the country to the edge of default. "


If only Obama and Reid had just compromised their principles and done the disastrous thing the tea party wanted.  Then we would have avoided all of this kerfuffle.  This is really all on the Democrats.

I mean, that's what I think and I drink sixpacks.
 
2013-10-18 09:52:58 AM  
yup, interesting
t/y subbie
 
2013-10-18 09:52:58 AM  

qorkfiend: bwilson27: "House Speaker John Boehner just wanted to sneak out of the White House for a smoke 5th bottle of Scotch."

Let's not sell Speaker Boehner short, here.


Ummm
 
2013-10-18 09:53:07 AM  
"At one point, Cruz told GOP senators that they should force votes on bills to fund individual agencies and programs, like on veterans issues.
But McConnell bluntly told Cruz that Republicans had no procedural way of doing that. In fact, he asked Laura Dove, McConnell's chief floor expert, to explain to Cruz how Republicans were prohibited from taking such a parliamentary tactic."

Bwahahahahahahahhaa
 
2013-10-18 09:54:00 AM  

qorkfiend: bwilson27: "House Speaker John Boehner just wanted to sneak out of the White House for a smoke 5th bottle of Scotch."

Let's not sell Speaker Boehner short, here.


I was gonna say "Sodomize an intern, punch a biatch, steal the hubcaps off the presidential limo, take candy from a baby and shoot some smack."
 
2013-10-18 09:55:07 AM  
"John, what happened?" Obama asked, according to people briefed on the Oct. 2 conversation.

"I got overrun, that's what happened," Boehner said.


Such bold leadership! Good work, Mr. Speaker.
 
2013-10-18 09:55:15 AM  

parasol: t/y subbie


you're very welcome

qorkfiend: "At one point, Cruz told GOP senators that they should force votes on bills to fund individual agencies and programs, like on veterans issues.
But McConnell bluntly told Cruz that Republicans had no procedural way of doing that. In fact, he asked Laura Dove, McConnell's chief floor expert, to explain to Cruz how Republicans were prohibited from taking such a parliamentary tactic."


couple that with McCain's comment about Gohmert and I'm really loving the fallout of this
 
2013-10-18 09:55:51 AM  

qorkfiend: bwilson27: "House Speaker John Boehner just wanted to sneak out of the White House for a smoke 5th bottle sip of Scotch."

Let's not sell Speaker Boehner short, here.


ftfy
 
2013-10-18 09:55:53 AM  
also holy shiat that article is awful
 
2013-10-18 09:57:07 AM  
Boner. It's all on Boner.
And everyone knows that.
 
2013-10-18 09:57:30 AM  
They revived the idea of a "grand bargain" on taxes and government spending but Reid openly laughed when Boehner raised it during a White House meeting.

LOL

McConnell told his colleagues this week that his party should "never" be put in the same political position again.

Bad news, Mitch. You will be in this position again in a few months.
 
2013-10-18 09:58:17 AM  
God I'm already hard.
 
2013-10-18 09:58:41 AM  
Which party overturned the Gephardt rule?

That is the party that assumes full responsibility.
 
2013-10-18 10:00:20 AM  

somedude210: parasol: t/y subbie

you're very welcome

qorkfiend: "At one point, Cruz told GOP senators that they should force votes on bills to fund individual agencies and programs, like on veterans issues.
But McConnell bluntly told Cruz that Republicans had no procedural way of doing that. In fact, he asked Laura Dove, McConnell's chief floor expert, to explain to Cruz how Republicans were prohibited from taking such a parliamentary tactic."

couple that with McCain's comment about Gohmert and I'm really loving the fallout of this


What did McCain say?
 
2013-10-18 10:01:31 AM  

Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: What did McCain say?


that Gohmert "lacked any intelligence"
 
2013-10-18 10:01:43 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: They revived the idea of a "grand bargain" on taxes and government spending but Reid openly laughed when Boehner raised it during a White House meeting.

LOL

McConnell told his colleagues this week that his party should "never" be put in the same political position again.

Bad news, Mitch. You will be in this position again in a few months.


Yeah.
McConnell, who slipped in a $2.9 billion earmark for a lock and dam project in Kentucky.
Mitch isn't suffering a bit.
Disaster Capitalism, he's read the book.

/Probably wrote half of it, too.
 
2013-10-18 10:01:51 AM  

somedude210: "

couple that with McCain's comment about Gohmert and I'm really loving the fallout of this


img.fark.net
 
2013-10-18 10:02:05 AM  

somedude210: Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: What did McCain say?

that Gohmert "lacked any intelligence"


Niiiiiiiiice. And also true.
 
2013-10-18 10:02:42 AM  
HotIgneous Intruder:
Yeah.
McConnell, who slipped in a $2.9 billion earmark for a lock and dam project in Kentucky.
Mitch isn't suffering a bit.
Disaster Capitalism, he's read the book.

/Probably wrote half of it, too.


You're an idiot.
 
2013-10-18 10:03:24 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: They revived the idea of a "grand bargain" on taxes and government spending but Reid openly laughed when Boehner raised it during a White House meeting.

LOL

McConnell told his colleagues this week that his party should "never" be put in the same political position again.

Bad news, Mitch. You will be in this position again in a few months.


As I understand it, they've changed the whole 'debt ceiling' language in the last few days to enable a debt ceiling lift automatically unless there's a successful Congressional vote against the lift in both House and the vote isn't overridden by Presidential veto.
 
2013-10-18 10:03:40 AM  
Above all, Republicans never believed Obama would hold firm on his refusal to negotiate and Democrats would maintain an unusual level of cohesion

For the democrats it might be considered a win based on their track record of spinelessness and capitulation but really at the end of the day they did negotiate and there were caveats that came with raising the debt limit and reopening the government.
 
2013-10-18 10:04:04 AM  
CNN BREAKING NEWS
BOEHNER: I'LL ALLOW IT (a vote on the Senate plan)

Any more questions about whose shutdown this really is? I didn't think so.
 
2013-10-18 10:04:26 AM  

bwilson27: HotIgneous Intruder:
Yeah.
McConnell, who slipped in a $2.9 billion earmark for a lock and dam project in Kentucky.
Mitch isn't suffering a bit.
Disaster Capitalism, he's read the book.

/Probably wrote half of it, too.

You're an idiot.


It's too early to be throwing insults.

But, you're right.  The earmark was inserted at the Democrats' request, not McConnel's.
 
2013-10-18 10:04:37 AM  
McConnell told his colleagues this week that his party should "never" be put in the same political position again.

Bless your heart, honey, you weren't "put in this position" -- you put yourselves there.

I am SO loving this.
 
2013-10-18 10:04:46 AM  
"We fought the good fight," Boehner told WLW radio on Wednesday.

No, you really didn't.
 
2013-10-18 10:04:57 AM  

Skleenar: "Obama and Reid stuck together, emerging as the political victors. Their hard-ball tactics were designed to "break the fever" brought on by the tea party, but it also helped drive the country to the edge of default. "


If only Obama and Reid had just compromised their principles and done the disastrous thing the tea party wanted.  Then we would have avoided all of this kerfuffle.  This is really all on the Democrats.

I mean, that's what I think and I drink sixpacks.


I just thought of a sports analogy this reminds me of:  the 1972 Dolphins.   Their undefeated record is a treasure for all sports fans everywhere.  The only undefeated NFL team in history.

But when you think of it, they put that treasure--that gift to all posterity--at risk every single one of the 12 games they played.  If even one small thing happened--a chance sprain, a bad call, a gust of wind, we never would have had this undefeated season in our collective history.

And why did they put it at risk?  For their own fame and financial gain!

Essentially, these self-centered jackholes gambled this national treasure every time they took the field with another team.

That's why I think Obama is just like the goddamn undefeated 1972 Dolphins.
 
2013-10-18 10:05:18 AM  

qorkfiend: "When things were at their worst, some Republican senators urged Vice President Joe Biden to get more involved. But he told each of them it wasn't his call. Biden participated in meetings at the White House but Reid, still angry about the vice president's concessions during the fiscal cliff talks last December, had shut him out of direct negotiations with lawmakers this time around."

I'm not sure what's more hilarious, that Reid told Biden to fark off or that the GOP actually asked for Biden to be involved in the process.


I bet it was more of Biden getting that shiat-eating grin and saying, "Son...you're on your own!"
 
2013-10-18 10:05:55 AM  

Headso: Above all, Republicans never believed Obama would hold firm on his refusal to negotiate and Democrats would maintain an unusual level of cohesion

For the democrats it might be considered a win based on their track record of spinelessness and capitulation but really at the end of the day they did negotiate and there were caveats that came with raising the debt limit and reopening the government.


Perspectives are personal, but the general consensus is that the Democrats eviscerated the GOP and shoved a pine cone up the ass of the TP.

So much so that I sincerely doubt that we'll ever see such a debacle over a shut down/debt ceiling lift ever again.
 
2013-10-18 10:06:04 AM  

Skleenar: "Obama and Reid stuck together, emerging as the political victors. Their hard-ball tactics were designed to "break the fever" brought on by the tea party, but it also helped drive the country to the edge of default. "


If only Obama and Reid had just compromised their principles and done the disastrous thing the tea party wanted.  Then we would have avoided all of this kerfuffle.  This is really all on the Democrats.

I mean, that's what I think and I drink sixpacks.


If the Democrats allowed the extreme right wing Republicans subvert the legislative process then this wouldn't have happened.  What aren't you getting here?
 
2013-10-18 10:06:21 AM  

Infernalist: bwilson27: HotIgneous Intruder:
Yeah.
McConnell, who slipped in a $2.9 billion earmark for a lock and dam project in Kentucky.
Mitch isn't suffering a bit.
Disaster Capitalism, he's read the book.

/Probably wrote half of it, too.

You're an idiot.

It's too early to be throwing insults.

But, you're right.  The earmark was inserted at the Democrats' request, not McConnel's.


It's really never too early. People like HI are stupid 24 hours a day.
 
2013-10-18 10:07:01 AM  

HotIgneous Intruder: Boner. It's all on Boner.
And everyone knows that.


"...2010. The New COngress brought to the fore a fresh crop of leaders including Majority Leader Cantor. Dubbing themselves "the young guns" they made no pretense of their discomfort with the new speaker of the House, John Boehner.
    From the start, it was clear the younger leaders would try to make the federal debt limit the focus...an ideal ploy for hostage-taking. Boehner demurred. "We're going to have to deal with it as adults. Whether we like it or not the federal government has obligations.."
    But the young guns, Cantor in particular, would have no truck with such timidity. Neither would the freshman, most of them well to the right of the young guns and elected with Tea Party support...they made it absolutely clear that if their demands were not met, they would not hesitate in forcing the nation to default on its debts"
(R.S. #1194)

    The more I read, the more it seems Boehner really is just the weakest speaker ever. Not evil, just bad at the game.
 
2013-10-18 10:07:03 AM  

Car_Ramrod: "We fought the good fight," Boehner told WLW radio on Wednesday.

No, you really didn't.


Fought the meaningless really expensive fight.
 
2013-10-18 10:07:20 AM  

Headso: there were caveats that came with raising the debt limit and reopening the government.


a little bit of pork is fine and how compromise should go about
 
2013-10-18 10:07:42 AM  

Headso: Above all, Republicans never believed Obama would hold firm on his refusal to negotiate and Democrats would maintain an unusual level of cohesion

For the democrats it might be considered a win based on their track record of spinelessness and capitulation but really at the end of the day they did negotiate and there were caveats that came with raising the debt limit and reopening the government.


A public works project in a state that needs jobs for laborers?

Income testing for federal benefits that will mean more jobs and less fraud?

Disarming republican tactics regarding the debt limit?

Forcing republicans to the bargaining table on a budget?

I'm not seeing the concessions here. This is a total Democratic victory. The only way this would get better is if Ted Cruz shoots himself in a bunker.
 
2013-10-18 10:08:27 AM  

bwilson27: Infernalist: bwilson27: HotIgneous Intruder:
Yeah.
McConnell, who slipped in a $2.9 billion earmark for a lock and dam project in Kentucky.
Mitch isn't suffering a bit.
Disaster Capitalism, he's read the book.

/Probably wrote half of it, too.

You're an idiot.

It's too early to be throwing insults.

But, you're right.  The earmark was inserted at the Democrats' request, not McConnel's.

It's really never too early. People like HI are stupid 24 hours a day.


All that stress in the morning is unhealthy.  Plus, you peak too soon and you end up spending the rest of your day in a foul mood.  It's a Saturday, relax....
 
2013-10-18 10:08:30 AM  

Infernalist: HotWingConspiracy: They revived the idea of a "grand bargain" on taxes and government spending but Reid openly laughed when Boehner raised it during a White House meeting.

LOL

McConnell told his colleagues this week that his party should "never" be put in the same political position again.

Bad news, Mitch. You will be in this position again in a few months.

As I understand it, they've changed the whole 'debt ceiling' language in the last few days to enable a debt ceiling lift automatically unless there's a successful Congressional vote against the lift in both House and the vote isn't overridden by Presidential veto.


Yes, but only as a temporary measure. The President basically certifies to Congress that we're about to default, and unilaterally raises the debt ceiling; Congress can vote to disapprove the raise via joint resolution, which the President can veto, so disapproval essentially requires a supermajority vote in both Houses. The President's power to do that expires on Feb. 7.
 
2013-10-18 10:08:53 AM  

Skleenar: Skleenar: "Obama and Reid stuck together, emerging as the political victors. Their hard-ball tactics were designed to "break the fever" brought on by the tea party, but it also helped drive the country to the edge of default. "


If only Obama and Reid had just compromised their principles and done the disastrous thing the tea party wanted.  Then we would have avoided all of this kerfuffle.  This is really all on the Democrats.

I mean, that's what I think and I drink sixpacks.

I just thought of a sports analogy this reminds me of:  the 1972 Dolphins.   Their undefeated record is a treasure for all sports fans everywhere.  The only undefeated NFL team in history.

But when you think of it, they put that treasure--that gift to all posterity--at risk every single one of the 12 games they played.  If even one small thing happened--a chance sprain, a bad call, a gust of wind, we never would have had this undefeated season in our collective history.

And why did they put it at risk?  For their own fame and financial gain!

Essentially, these self-centered jackholes gambled this national treasure every time they took the field with another team.

That's why I think Obama is just like the goddamn undefeated 1972 Dolphins.


The 72 Dolphins got lucky as hell, because they had the 3rd weakest strength of schedule in the post-Merger NFL. Their division was a complete dumpster fire that year, and outside of Pittsburgh and Oakland (neither of whom they played in the regular season), the conference was terrible.

But considering how inept Congressional Republicans have been these past few years, the analog oddly holds up.

/except Obama is more conservative than Shula was
//ducks
 
2013-10-18 10:08:59 AM  
FTA:
"John, what happened?" Obama asked, according to people briefed on the Oct. 2 conversation.

"I got overrun, that's what happened," Boehner said.


Bull shiat John!  You didn't get run over, you bent over!  The extremist have control because you let the extremist have control.
 
2013-10-18 10:09:15 AM  

Infernalist: HotWingConspiracy: They revived the idea of a "grand bargain" on taxes and government spending but Reid openly laughed when Boehner raised it during a White House meeting.

LOL

McConnell told his colleagues this week that his party should "never" be put in the same political position again.

Bad news, Mitch. You will be in this position again in a few months.

As I understand it, they've changed the whole 'debt ceiling' language in the last few days to enable a debt ceiling lift automatically unless there's a successful Congressional vote against the lift in both House and the vote isn't overridden by Presidential veto.


As I understand it - Sort of.

This change is temporary, and only in effect until 2/8/14. It was done to preserve the 'CR necessary to fund government is due a few weeks before the debt ceiling raise' timing.

Basically, the debt ceiling is generally set at a specific DOLLAR amount instead of a date. That makes determining the actual date of hitting the limit next to impossible so far out. To prevent the debt ceiling from shifting dates depending on economic realities, it is automatically raised as needed for the funding include in the CR between now and the date set.
 
2013-10-18 10:09:47 AM  

qorkfiend: Infernalist: HotWingConspiracy: They revived the idea of a "grand bargain" on taxes and government spending but Reid openly laughed when Boehner raised it during a White House meeting.

LOL

McConnell told his colleagues this week that his party should "never" be put in the same political position again.

Bad news, Mitch. You will be in this position again in a few months.

As I understand it, they've changed the whole 'debt ceiling' language in the last few days to enable a debt ceiling lift automatically unless there's a successful Congressional vote against the lift in both House and the vote isn't overridden by Presidential veto.

Yes, but only as a temporary measure. The President basically certifies to Congress that we're about to default, and unilaterally raises the debt ceiling; Congress can vote to disapprove the raise via joint resolution, which the President can veto, so disapproval essentially requires a supermajority vote in both Houses. The President's power to do that expires on Feb. 7.


I suspect that they'll make that permanent sometime in the next few months.  It just makes too much sense not to do so.
 
2013-10-18 10:10:46 AM  

Infernalist: bwilson27: Infernalist: bwilson27: HotIgneous Intruder:
Yeah.
McConnell, who slipped in a $2.9 billion earmark for a lock and dam project in Kentucky.
Mitch isn't suffering a bit.
Disaster Capitalism, he's read the book.

/Probably wrote half of it, too.

You're an idiot.

It's too early to be throwing insults.

But, you're right.  The earmark was inserted at the Democrats' request, not McConnel's.

It's really never too early. People like HI are stupid 24 hours a day.

All that stress in the morning is unhealthy.  Plus, you peak too soon and you end up spending the rest of your day in a foul mood.  It's a Saturday, relax....


Are you from Japan? Or East of Japan? I'm still back here in the Fridays.... ;)
 
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