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(USA Today)   BART workers to management: Eat our shorts   (usatoday.com) divider line 39
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2013-10-18 08:06:32 AM
workers can eat ?, with no pay.
 
2013-10-18 08:59:06 AM

snuffy: workers can eat ?, with no pay.


BART workers to management: Eat our shorts
 
2013-10-18 09:03:00 AM

snuffy: workers can eat ?, with no pay.


Don't have a cow, man.
 
2013-10-18 10:06:34 AM
Ay commuter.
 
2013-10-18 10:12:08 AM
We didn't do it!
 
2013-10-18 10:15:09 AM
I'm sure someone will be along shortly to rage at them not acting like slaves scared of being beaten.
 
2013-10-18 10:15:47 AM
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2013-10-18 10:16:18 AM
Good luck, BART dudes!
 
2013-10-18 10:18:48 AM

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2013-10-18 10:20:07 AM

RedPhoenix122: We didn't do it!


Oh great, it's the "we didn't do it" kid.
 
2013-10-18 10:20:58 AM
fire them all, from the board of directors to the lowest union troll on the seniority ladder.
 
2013-10-18 10:21:25 AM
i.imgur.com
 
2013-10-18 10:22:54 AM

legion_of_doo: fire them all, from the board of directors to the lowest union troll on the seniority ladder.


Why don't you take your free market solution to work instead of complaining about a union.
 
2013-10-18 10:29:38 AM

ikanreed: legion_of_doo: fire them all, from the board of directors to the lowest union troll on the seniority ladder.

Why don't you take your free market solution to work instead of complaining about a union.


yes. BART management and the board are unionized too or something.

and who speaks for the ridership? cut services, bad bets on rail extensions, fare hikes, surly workers demanding raises and COLA adjustments in addition to obscene overtime rules... i would be in favor of a ridership strike when they get back to "work".
 
2013-10-18 10:33:12 AM
This is the second time BART has taken up industrial action this year. The California legislature needs to pass their own version of Taylor Law as the state of New York did in the 1960s to prevent this from happening again.

They're highly paid in an area with a high standard of living. They get a sweet deal on healthcare and they want a raise. However, they're affecting the most who have low income jobs and have no car.
 
2013-10-18 10:33:46 AM

Infernalist: Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: Warning: autoplaying video.

USA Today, the newspaper you push out of the way to make room for your continental hotel breakfast.

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I've got Adblock, but still takes a second to block it while the video is blaring at me.
 
2013-10-18 10:36:16 AM
-_- My shocked face that BART workers are once again threatening to strike.
 
2013-10-18 10:37:43 AM
Okay, they're no-shows at their jobs. They're all fired.  Let's get to work on training replacements.  If it can be done with air traffic controllers, it can be done with BART workers.
 
2013-10-18 10:38:25 AM
This will cost the economy billions... why are they taking a play out of the GOP congress playbook?!?
 
2013-10-18 10:43:58 AM

TheIndependent: This will cost the economy billions... why are they taking a play out of the GOP congress playbook?!?


You're right they should just eat whatever shiat sandwich management serves up like the rest of us serfs. Gods forbid they bargain.
 
2013-10-18 10:44:18 AM

I don't know. It looks like a pretty good gig to me...


Link
 
2013-10-18 10:48:39 AM

generallyso: You're right they should just eat whatever shiat sandwich management serves up like the rest of us serfs. Gods forbid they bargain.


My memory extends all the way to last week, when democrats were insisting that any form of bargaining was "hostage taking."  I guess the times they are a changeing...
 
2013-10-18 10:54:23 AM

Forced Perspective: generallyso: You're right they should just eat whatever shiat sandwich management serves up like the rest of us serfs. Gods forbid they bargain.

My memory extends all the way to last week, when democrats were insisting that any form of bargaining was "hostage taking."  I guess the times they are a changeing...


Does it hurt being that full of shiat?
 
2013-10-18 11:00:08 AM
The key IMO is that the union agreed to binding arbitration and management refused.
 
2013-10-18 11:31:38 AM

susler: The key IMO is that the union agreed to binding arbitration and management refused.


Management agreed to binding arbitration, but they would take the ENTIRE contract to binding arbitration. The Union wants binding arbitration on a single issue, workplace rules. Basically workers use a system where they call in sick on Monday, then just do overtime Friday to get their 40 hour equivalent and there are no repercussions. Management is sick of them gaming the system to force extra overtime.
 
2013-10-18 11:43:04 AM

Securitywyrm: susler: The key IMO is that the union agreed to binding arbitration and management refused.

Management agreed to binding arbitration, but they would take the ENTIRE contract to binding arbitration. The Union wants binding arbitration on a single issue, workplace rules. Basically workers use a system where they call in sick on Monday, then just do overtime Friday to get their 40 hour equivalent and there are no repercussions. Management is sick of them gaming the system to force extra overtime.


Yep. No hate if they get more money. But I mean these motherfarkers have jobs and cars.
 
2013-10-18 12:04:33 PM

krackpipe: Securitywyrm: susler: The key IMO is that the union agreed to binding arbitration and management refused.

Management agreed to binding arbitration, but they would take the ENTIRE contract to binding arbitration. The Union wants binding arbitration on a single issue, workplace rules. Basically workers use a system where they call in sick on Monday, then just do overtime Friday to get their 40 hour equivalent and there are no repercussions. Management is sick of them gaming the system to force extra overtime.

Yep. No hate if they get more money. But I mean these motherfarkers have jobs and cars.


I read into it a bit deeper, and the issue is over 'past practices' where the union insists that anything that has ever been done once has to be done forever. For example if there's a big event at the Colosseum and they add more trains to handle the event, the union can force management to have those extra trains at that time every single year forever.
 
2013-10-18 12:20:29 PM
Bay Area people might enjoy this page visualizing lots of BART data. http://enjalot.github.io/bart/
 
2013-10-18 12:57:03 PM

legion_of_doo: fire them all, from the board of directors to the lowest union troll on the seniority ladder.


The BART Board of Directors are elected officials, maybe you can recall them but they can't be fired.
 
2013-10-18 01:28:05 PM

Securitywyrm: krackpipe: Securitywyrm: susler: The key IMO is that the union agreed to binding arbitration and management refused.

Management agreed to binding arbitration, but they would take the ENTIRE contract to binding arbitration. The Union wants binding arbitration on a single issue, workplace rules. Basically workers use a system where they call in sick on Monday, then just do overtime Friday to get their 40 hour equivalent and there are no repercussions. Management is sick of them gaming the system to force extra overtime.

Yep. No hate if they get more money. But I mean these motherfarkers have jobs and cars.

I read into it a bit deeper, and the issue is over 'past practices' where the union insists that anything that has ever been done once has to be done forever. For example if there's a big event at the Colosseum and they add more trains to handle the event, the union can force management to have those extra trains at that time every single year forever.


That's not what "past practice," in terms of working conditions means.
 
2013-10-18 04:01:31 PM
Solution: don't live in the east bay and/or join a company with shuttle service.
 
2013-10-18 04:03:50 PM

StopLurkListen: Bay Area people might enjoy this page visualizing lots of BART data. http://enjalot.github.io/bart/


Holy shiat, these folks are making bank even for SFers.
 
2013-10-18 04:43:39 PM

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I've got Adblock, but still takes a second to block it while the video is blaring at me.


Or any number of addons that require an explicit click to play embedded video.
 
2013-10-18 05:28:08 PM
Meanwhile over at SF MUNI- zzzzzzzzz....snore..zzzzzzzz
 
2013-10-18 05:39:20 PM

Funk Brothers: This is the second time BART has taken up industrial action this year. The California legislature needs to pass their own version of Taylor Law as the state of New York did in the 1960s to prevent this from happening again.

They're highly paid in an area with a high standard of living. They get a sweet deal on healthcare and they want a raise. However, they're affecting the most who have low income jobs and have no car.


Uh, if you read the article or watched the video then you would know that this strike is mostly over working conditions and work rules.
 
2013-10-18 06:44:14 PM

Infernalist: pst.  Noscript.


Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: I've got Adblock, but still takes a second to block it while the video is blaring at me.


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2013-10-19 03:02:38 AM

generallyso: You're right they should just eat whatever shiat sandwich management serves up like the rest of us serfs. Gods forbid they bargain.


Clearly you don't understand what's going on. The sticking point now is work rules.

Example #1: lets say you're scheduled to work 40 hours from Monday through Friday in five eight hour shifts (so far so good right?) but you call in sick on Monday (again, no issues here right?) then you get a shift on Saturday because someone else called in sick (again, so what's the big deal right?). The current rules state that you must be paid at weekend overtime rates because you went over 40 hours in a week even though 8 of those hours were paid for out of your sick pay (WTF level goes to 11 to anyone with a bit of common sense right?).

Example #2: Last year the Giants played in the World Series so BART added extra trains to accommodate the fans (so far so good right? I mean that's what they are there for). This year the Giants tanked (you may be asking so what? well I'm about to tell you.). This year, if the strike is over by the time that BART added those extra trains the work rules state that they have to run the same number of trains on the dates FROM LAST YEAR even though there will not be even close to the same numbers of riders.

In addition the union is resisting letting BART management use emails for station reports insisting on using fax machines instead. They are also resisting people getting their pay STUBS (not paychecks, pay stubs) by electronic means instead insisting on them being hand delivered to the individual stations.

These are just some of the more blatant examples but the system is rife with them because of a workplace rule that states that "Past practices" must be adhered to and that's what they won't budge on. Right now both management and union reps must agree on any changes and the unions are being pigheaded about it because they are afraid that they will lose all of these unneeded overtime pay hours that BART management has to pay them under the umbrella of "Past practices".

The system takes in about $240 million a year in taxpayer subsidies as it is. One has to wonder how much of it is the workers scamming the system for extra overtime hours that aren't needed nor desired by management. The union has made its own bed now they can go lay in it as far as I'm concerned.
 
2013-10-19 03:07:09 AM

lizyrd: That's not what "past practice," in terms of working conditions means.


For BART it is and that's the problem that management wants to address by getting rid of it. Abuse a system intended to protect you and it gets taken away. The same way an ex-con can't legally have a gun.
 
2013-10-19 09:06:10 PM
Subby owes me a new monitor!
 
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