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(World Review)   A referendum for Catalan independence is looking ever more likely. Basques could then follow suit. The unthinkable could happen and Spain could fall apart   (worldreview.info) divider line 105
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2013-10-18 08:12:23 AM
looks familiar
 
2013-10-18 09:17:48 AM
"The bologna in Catalonia falls mainly in Barcelona", doesn't have the same ring to it.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-10-18 09:22:50 AM
With the EU taking more and more power, is there any need for intact member states?
 
2013-10-18 09:42:46 AM
I'm thinking some sort of superweapon may be in order.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-10-18 09:56:47 AM

ZAZ: With the EU taking more and more power, is there any need for intact member states?


That seems to be the thinking, but the EU doesn't seem all that powerful to me.
 
2013-10-18 09:57:18 AM
Gentlemen, begin the thawing of General Francisco Franco.
 
2013-10-18 10:07:46 AM
They should've traded their sheep for more stone when they had the chance.
 
2013-10-18 10:07:47 AM
Why is it unthinkable?
 
2013-10-18 10:08:29 AM
I was in Spain not long ago and it was very interesting to chat with people in Madrid and Barcelona about current events.

The day we left Madrid we had to fight through a violent protest to get to the train.  I always find it interesting when you go to a region of a country and never see the nation flag, but instead the flag for the region is EVERYWHERE.

/thoughts
//good luck, Spain. I like you
 
2013-10-18 10:08:43 AM
Meanwhile, Germany waits...
 
2013-10-18 10:09:03 AM

miss diminutive: Gentlemen, begin the thawing of General Francisco Franco.


Dang...he wasn't THAT great a Green Goblin, but "frozen" is a pretty harsh way to describe his acting...
 
2013-10-18 10:09:14 AM
I've played Settlers of Catalan, but what does it have to do with Spain?
 
2013-10-18 10:09:15 AM
Maybe we can negotiate to have one of the new countries take Arizona, Texas, and Florida in exchange for something useful.
 
2013-10-18 10:10:37 AM
As foretold by Salvador Dali.
 
2013-10-18 10:11:00 AM

ZAZ: With the EU taking more and more power, is there any need for intact member states?


It would depend on whether or not you inherit EU membership if you secede from an EU member, I guess.
 
2013-10-18 10:11:04 AM

ikanreed: They should've traded their sheep for more stone when they had the chance.


Madrid is now looking at a long road out of this situation. Possibly the Longest.
 
2013-10-18 10:12:01 AM

Prophet of Loss: Maybe we can negotiate to have one of the new countries take Arizona, Texas, and Florida in exchange for something useful.


I'd rather we not lose 16% of our GDP, but good thought.
 
2013-10-18 10:12:13 AM

Prophet of Loss: Maybe we can negotiate to have one of the new countries take Arizona, Texas, and Florida in exchange for something useful.


I would be a-ok having Barcelona as part of the US. Talk about a fantastic city!
 
2013-10-18 10:12:51 AM
Don't put all your Basques in one exit.

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2013-10-18 10:13:22 AM

miss diminutive: Gentlemen, begin the thawing of General Francisco Franco.


Boy I remember being in Barcelona in '92 for the Olympics.  I learned Castilian and had been to Spain before but was never in Cataluña.  They were really insistent on speaking only Catalan, to the point of rudeness.  They had the eyes of the world on them, and they wanted to use every opportunity to express their uniqueness.  Franco really did a number on them.
 
2013-10-18 10:14:32 AM
I don't see this effecting a good tapas crawl.
 
2013-10-18 10:14:44 AM
You'll have to forgive them.  They're from Barcelona.
 
2013-10-18 10:15:18 AM
521 years? Pretty good run.
 
2013-10-18 10:16:23 AM

SeedFreak: I don't see this effecting a good tapas crawl.


Oh, god, how I miss the mesones off Plaza Mayor in Madrid.  Now I'm hungry.
 
2013-10-18 10:18:28 AM
Nobody expects the Spanish decomposition.
 
2013-10-18 10:18:32 AM

YixilTesiphon: Prophet of Loss: Maybe we can negotiate to have one of the new countries take Arizona, Texas, and Florida in exchange for something useful.

I'd rather we not lose 16% of our GDP, but good thought.


If we keep letting them elect people to Congress we may suffer that fate AND still have them around.
 
2013-10-18 10:19:28 AM
1. Transfer all of Spain's debt to Catalan

2. Grant them independence

3. Profit!
 
2013-10-18 10:20:10 AM

Jonnadiah: Talk about a fantastic city!


OK! How about Benson, Arizona!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2F0dHVZAm8
 
2013-10-18 10:24:14 AM
I'd like to see Ontario break away from the rest of Canada. We need to become our own country.
 
2013-10-18 10:24:37 AM
The center cannot hold,
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world
The Blood dimmed tide is loosed,
and everywhere the ceremony of Innocence is drowned

The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.
 
2013-10-18 10:28:04 AM

Karma Chameleon: Nobody expects the Spanish decomposition.


[golf clap]
 
2013-10-18 10:29:18 AM

Magorn: The center cannot hold,
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world
The Blood dimmed tide is loosed,
and everywhere the ceremony of Innocence is drowned

The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.


Milton is turning out to be a prophet.
 
2013-10-18 10:30:23 AM
The calls for independence also come at a difficult time for Spain's monarchy when its popularity is being questioned following a series of scandals.

Okay, just exactly what has the Spanish king done which is so scandalous? Haven't heard a thing.
 
2013-10-18 10:30:35 AM

neversubmit: 1. Transfer all of Spain's debt to Catalan

2. Grant them independence

3. Profit!


You missed a few steps:

2A Catalan defaults on all the debts

2B Spain works out some kind of balanced budget deal now that they don't have interest payments to make

2C Creditors scrape up whatever they can get, but amazingly Catalan hasn't much in the way of assets that are portable

2D Catalan bankruptcy is finalized

2E Catalan applied for re-union with Spain, where they are greeted as the returning prodigal son

Then you get your 3.

Oh, and 4:  Everyone sees straight through this, can't do anything about it, but Spain never gets foreign credit again.
 
2013-10-18 10:31:21 AM
It's the Pyrenees, not the Balkans!
 
2013-10-18 10:31:49 AM
Paging NICOFINN!

She is our resident farkette who lives in Barcelona, and besides being pretty as all get out, a cajun cook, also speaks Catalan fluently.  Knees mebbe a little bit sharp though.

I had to tour some Catalans around for a few days in Colombia.  Arrogant assholes.
 
2013-10-18 10:34:23 AM

SwiftFox: The calls for independence also come at a difficult time for Spain's monarchy when its popularity is being questioned following a series of scandals.

Okay, just exactly what has the Spanish king done which is so scandalous? Haven't heard a thing.


His Armada got beaten by the English.
Sure it's been a few years, but nobody holds grudges like the Spanish.
 
2013-10-18 10:36:04 AM
Very likely to split. Barcelona's economy has been growing, some say over 15% annually. Spain's economy has not. If Catalonia takes Girona (Costa Brava) and the Balearic Islands (Mallorca and Ibiza) that's a lot of tourism assets.
 
2013-10-18 10:36:54 AM

BiffDangler: Why is it unthinkable?


I'm not buying new maps, dammit!
 
2013-10-18 10:38:18 AM

indarwinsshadow: I'd like to see Ontario break away from the rest of Canada. We need to become our own country.


Isn't Ontario the province with nearly 300 billion dollars of provincial debt and taking on more by the day?

Maybe you want to fix that before being all proudly independent.
 
2013-10-18 10:40:13 AM

give me doughnuts: SwiftFox: The calls for independence also come at a difficult time for Spain's monarchy when its popularity is being questioned following a series of scandals.

Okay, just exactly what has the Spanish king done which is so scandalous? Haven't heard a thing.

His Armada got beaten by the English.
Sure it's been a few years, but nobody holds grudges like the Spanish.


I shook his hand while in a line in the cathedral in Toledo.  It was weak and clammy.  (Kidding, he and the Queen were quite lovely.)

Delay: Very likely to split. Barcelona's economy has been growing, some say over 15% annually. Spain's economy has not. If Catalonia takes Girona (Costa Brava) and the Balearic Islands (Mallorca and Ibiza) that's a lot of tourism assets.


That's been the argument for decades - that the rest of Spain is holding them back.
 
2013-10-18 10:45:54 AM
Seriously? 40 comments in and no one posted this?  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=butZyxI-PRs&noredirect=1
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-10-18 10:46:02 AM
I'm not buying new maps, dammit!

Reminds me of 5th grade. The globe still had North and South Vietnam. Awkward.
 
2013-10-18 10:46:41 AM
The really important question: if the Catalan region declares independence, how will it affect the marathon?
 
2013-10-18 10:47:04 AM

starsrift: indarwinsshadow: I'd like to see Ontario break away from the rest of Canada. We need to become our own country.

Isn't Ontario the province with nearly 300 billion dollars of provincial debt and taking on more by the day?

Maybe you want to fix that before being all proudly independent.


Being in debt and spending profligately is something to be proud of.  Thinking otherwise is racist and children-hating.
 
2013-10-18 10:47:46 AM

FLMountainMan: starsrift: indarwinsshadow: I'd like to see Ontario break away from the rest of Canada. We need to become our own country.

Isn't Ontario the province with nearly 300 billion dollars of provincial debt and taking on more by the day?

Maybe you want to fix that before being all proudly independent.

Being in debt and spending profligately is something to be proud of.  Thinking otherwise is racist and children-hating.


Or freedom-hating, when the other guys are in power.  Pick your poison.
 
2013-10-18 10:52:43 AM
Meh. Declare that football teams in Catalonia would be ineligible to play in La Liga and watch the independence movement fall to pieces.
 
2013-10-18 10:57:04 AM
As long as the Barsa keeps on rocking...
 
2013-10-18 11:03:00 AM
Empathy for the ancestral homeland, but at the same time, would be interesting to see an update to that amazing "Europe in 1000 years" animagraphic on YouTube.

/Watch it while listening to the opening theme from "Game of Thrones"
 
2013-10-18 11:07:29 AM

Donnchadha: BiffDangler: Why is it unthinkable?

I'm not buying new maps, dammit!



I'm still angry about the whole South Sudan thing not two years after I put a giant wall map up in my office.
 
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