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(Kotaku)   And here is where we'll see the first $100 price drop on the PS4   (kotaku.com) divider line 131
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2013-10-18 09:31:42 AM  
dev kit. doesn't mean production models will.
 
2013-10-18 09:34:49 AM  

olapbill: dev kit. doesn't mean production models will.


Over in one
 
2013-10-18 09:39:29 AM  
Sony won't drop their prices until Microsoft drops theirs to below the PS4. They've already undercut the Xbox One by $100. There won't be any price breaks on the PS4 for a while.
 
2013-10-18 09:48:26 AM  

scottydoesntknow: Sony won't drop their prices until Microsoft drops theirs to below the PS4. They've already undercut the Xbox One by $100. There won't be any price breaks on the PS4 for a while.


If Xbox One is drastically outsold this holiday season I expect a $349 kinectless SKU around Titanfall's launch.
 
2013-10-18 10:01:41 AM  

Carth: If Xbox One is drastically outsold this holiday season I expect a $349 kinectless SKU around Titanfall's launch.


Even then, they can keep it.

Microsoft is dicking over every hardcore player who bought an expensive Fanatec wheel.  The new XBone wheels are more expensive and don't have anywhere near the important features of the Fanatec.  Plus, they are made by absolutely shiat manufacturers.
 
2013-10-18 10:03:19 AM  
Carth:
If Xbox One is drastically outsold this holiday season I expect a $349 kinectless SKU around Titanfall's launch.

Unless the new management decides to take a different direction I doubt we will see a kinect-less sku period.  Its not impossible, especially if they get blown away by PS4 but they want voice and body motion commands to be what sets them apart.  If developers are going to implement those features they need a very high install base to warrant spending that extra cash.  Plus, Titanfall uses Kinect.
 
2013-10-18 10:14:22 AM  
That's just screwy.
 
2013-10-18 10:15:36 AM  

AKA Joker: Plus, Titanfall uses Kinect.


Titanfall is going to be on Xbox 360 and PC as well. It probably uses kinect the way BF4 does.

Glitchwerks: Carth: If Xbox One is drastically outsold this holiday season I expect a $349 kinectless SKU around Titanfall's launch.

Even then, they can keep it.

Microsoft is dicking over every hardcore player who bought an expensive Fanatec wheel.  The new XBone wheels are more expensive and don't have anywhere near the important features of the Fanatec.  Plus, they are made by absolutely shiat manufacturers.


The PS4 is in the same situation right? I don't play racing games but I remember people complaining about wheel support before driveclub was delayed.
 
2013-10-18 10:15:38 AM  

Carth: scottydoesntknow: Sony won't drop their prices until Microsoft drops theirs to below the PS4. They've already undercut the Xbox One by $100. There won't be any price breaks on the PS4 for a while.

If Xbox One is drastically outsold this holiday season I expect a $349 kinectless SKU around Titanfall's launch.


If? Everything I've read from investors has the Xbox One as the next Saturn.
 
2013-10-18 10:31:06 AM  

digistil: Carth: scottydoesntknow: Sony won't drop their prices until Microsoft drops theirs to below the PS4. They've already undercut the Xbox One by $100. There won't be any price breaks on the PS4 for a while.

If Xbox One is drastically outsold this holiday season I expect a $349 kinectless SKU around Titanfall's launch.

If? Everything I've read from investors has the Xbox One as the next Saturn.


Don't be stupid.  The world is ready, nay, BEGGING for something new.  This console generation has stretched on FAR too long, and the new Xbox is neck and neck with pre-orders with the PS4 - brand loyalty is BIG in America.  Xbox ONE will do just fine.  With the news that the Xbox ONE will not require the Kinect to be attached, it will do nothing but sell and sell well.  All MS needs is a few big exclusives (or a HALO 5 announcement) and the thing will fly off the shelves.  Christmas this year will be interesting, at least.

The Wii U is pretty much this generation's Saturn.  Nintendo simply can't educate the populace enough to make sales.
 
2013-10-18 10:39:51 AM  

frepnog: digistil: Carth: scottydoesntknow: Sony won't drop their prices until Microsoft drops theirs to below the PS4. They've already undercut the Xbox One by $100. There won't be any price breaks on the PS4 for a while.

If Xbox One is drastically outsold this holiday season I expect a $349 kinectless SKU around Titanfall's launch.

If? Everything I've read from investors has the Xbox One as the next Saturn.

Don't be stupid.  The world is ready, nay, BEGGING for something new.  This console generation has stretched on FAR too long, and the new Xbox is neck and neck with pre-orders with the PS4 - brand loyalty is BIG in America.  Xbox ONE will do just fine.  With the news that the Xbox ONE will not require the Kinect to be attached, it will do nothing but sell and sell well.  All MS needs is a few big exclusives (or a HALO 5 announcement) and the thing will fly off the shelves.  Christmas this year will be interesting, at least.

The Wii U is pretty much this generation's Saturn.  Nintendo simply can't educate the populace enough to make sales.


Its not just that Nintendo is doing bad. They once again added something that the other companies are trying to copy. The Wii introduced motion controls that both Sony and MS copied. Not with the addition of a touch screen, which Sony worked into their standard PS controller and I believe MS has tablet support, they are doing really well. The issue the Wii U has is that people did not realize that it is a completely new system and I do fault Nintendo on that one. There was some confusion on that end. It is also the fault of a lot of 3rd party devs that believe a good game is a game that looks good. A few devs came out and said they would never develop for the Wii because it would be a step backwards due to the graphics and nothing else.
 
2013-10-18 10:39:57 AM  
frepnog:

The Wii U is pretty much this generation's Saturn.  Nintendo simply can't educate the populace enough to make sales.

It's not just that they can't educate the public, it's that they oversold the public.. They promised everything but free blowjobs w/ the Wii-U.. It was completely under powered and once you got past a new Mario and Zombi-U the platform was boring as shiat, never mind slow as dirt.  Every single time bad press came out about the Wii-U Satoru Iwata would get on the internet and counter the bad press with bullshiat backpedaling and denial.. Yet.. Nothing ever changed..
 
2013-10-18 10:45:06 AM  

styckx: frepnog:

The Wii U is pretty much this generation's Saturn.  Nintendo simply can't educate the populace enough to make sales.

It's not just that they can't educate the public, it's that they oversold the public.. They promised everything but free blowjobs w/ the Wii-U.. It was completely under powered and once you got past a new Mario and Zombi-U the platform was boring as shiat, never mind slow as dirt.  Every single time bad press came out about the Wii-U Satoru Iwata would get on the internet and counter the bad press with bullshiat backpedaling and denial.. Yet.. Nothing ever changed..


Seems that is what MS is also doing when they announced Always Online, Mandatory Kinecks, No Pre own, barrowing or selling of used games and a whole crap ton of BS they did when announcing the X-Box 1.
 
2013-10-18 10:49:36 AM  

Carth: The PS4 is in the same situation right? I don't play racing games but I remember people complaining about wheel support before driveclub was delayed.


The PS3 supported Logitech and many other brands.  Pretty anything that had PC support also had PS3 support.  No idea what the case is with the PS4, but I can't imagine them doing something like Microsoft.

Not that it really matters since Sony's racing line up is very poor since PD started putting out crap.
 
2013-10-18 10:54:47 AM  

yves0010: Seems that is what MS is also doing when they announced Always Online, Mandatory Kinecks, No Pre own, barrowing or selling of used games and a whole crap ton of BS they did when announcing the X-Box 1.


except -
online not required
borrowing, renting, buying and selling used games are all ok
Kinect does not have to be connected

MS tried to make a connected console, tried to combat piracy, tried to be innovative.  the market balked and MS listened, so now just like with PS4 we will get "more of the same".  And, honestly, that's ok for now, because what we need is MORE POWER.  The current consoles are not only long in the tooth, they are freaking Moses crossing the desert old.
 
2013-10-18 10:56:16 AM  
I'm buying whatever console can get the most Japanese games to these shores.
 
2013-10-18 10:59:24 AM  

gnosis301: I'm buying whatever console can get the most Japanese games to these shores.


what shores?  USA?  Because that would be PS4, but why exactly?  Japanese game development is at least 10 years behind the west, and more like 15.  Or do you just ENJOY mindless grinding, senseless stories, games on firm rails and work\dating sims?
 
rpm
2013-10-18 11:00:08 AM  
The first $100 price drop will be in Brazil, duh.

holyfark, $1850?
 
2013-10-18 11:01:13 AM  

gnosis301: I'm buying whatever console can get the most Japanese games to these shores.


But Japanese games are good.  You don't want to be a hardcore gamer, do you?
 
2013-10-18 11:04:32 AM  

frepnog: what shores? USA? Because that would be PS4, but why exactly? Japanese game development is at least 10 years behind the west, and more like 15. Or do you just ENJOY mindless grinding, senseless stories, games on firm rails and work\dating sims?


Holy shiat, this is a real post.  Come the fark on, man.  Who farking writes this with a straight face?
 
2013-10-18 11:04:50 AM  

Mike_LowELL: gnosis301: I'm buying whatever console can get the most Japanese games to these shores.

But Japanese games are good.  You don't want to be a hardcore gamer, do you?


I'm buying a Alienware Delta Gamma Epsilon Saucer XLLL Glowy-Nyuu-Nyuu 1175 for my ultra hardcorps gaming needs.
 
2013-10-18 11:06:47 AM  

gnosis301: Mike_LowELL: gnosis301: I'm buying whatever console can get the most Japanese games to these shores.

But Japanese games are good.  You don't want to be a hardcore gamer, do you?

I'm buying a Alienware Delta Gamma Epsilon Saucer XLLL Glowy-Nyuu-Nyuu 1175 for my ultra hardcorps gaming needs.


Make sure you get it in red so people know it is really fast and can play games.
 
2013-10-18 11:07:10 AM  

frepnog: gnosis301: I'm buying whatever console can get the most Japanese games to these shores.

what shores?  USA?  Because that would be PS4, but why exactly?  Japanese game development is at least 10 years behind the west, and more like 15.  Or do you just ENJOY mindless grinding, senseless stories, games on firm rails and work\dating sims?


Now I'm going to buy two of every Japanese game, grind twice as hard in the RPGs, and date twice the amount of lolis in their dating games.
 
2013-10-18 11:07:54 AM  

gnosis301: I'm buying a Alienware Delta Gamma Epsilon Saucer XLLL Glowy-Nyuu-Nyuu 1175 for my ultra hardcorps gaming needs.


Make sure to buy the Alienware Gamer Grub Oven.  This way, you'll be able to bake gamer fuel in the time it takes you to play a match in a hardcore game like League of Legends.
 
2013-10-18 11:09:33 AM  

Mike_LowELL: frepnog: what shores? USA? Because that would be PS4, but why exactly? Japanese game development is at least 10 years behind the west, and more like 15. Or do you just ENJOY mindless grinding, senseless stories, games on firm rails and work\dating sims?

Holy shiat, this is a real post.  Come the fark on, man.  Who farking writes this with a straight face?


Sensible people?
 
2013-10-18 11:09:55 AM  

rpm: The first $100 price drop will be in Brazil, duh.

holyfark, $1850?


That's, like, a brazillian dollars!
 
2013-10-18 11:10:22 AM  

Mike_LowELL: gnosis301: I'm buying a Alienware Delta Gamma Epsilon Saucer XLLL Glowy-Nyuu-Nyuu 1175 for my ultra hardcorps gaming needs.

Make sure to buy the Alienware Gamer Grub Oven.  This way, you'll be able to bake gamer fuel in the time it takes you to play a match in a hardcore game like League of Legends.


Does it come in Mega Laser Charred Space Seaman Black?
 
2013-10-18 11:12:37 AM  

Mike_LowELL: frepnog: what shores? USA? Because that would be PS4, but why exactly? Japanese game development is at least 10 years behind the west, and more like 15. Or do you just ENJOY mindless grinding, senseless stories, games on firm rails and work\dating sims?

Holy shiat, this is a real post.  Come the fark on, man.  Who farking writes this with a straight face?


not sure what your point is.  everything I said is spot on and valid.  I enjoy the odd Japanese game but let's not pretend that they are not stuck in the past.
 
2013-10-18 11:15:21 AM  

frepnog: gnosis301: I'm buying whatever console can get the most Japanese games to these shores.

what shores?  USA?  Because that would be PS4, but why exactly?  Japanese game development is at least 10 years behind the west, and more like 15.  Or do you just ENJOY mindless grinding, senseless stories, games on firm rails and work\dating sims?


Yea who would want to play boring little games like Kingdom Hearts  2.5 and 3, Professor Layton, Disgaea, Persona, Grand Turismo, Final Fantasy or Pokemon.
 
2013-10-18 11:16:03 AM  

frepnog: yves0010: Seems that is what MS is also doing when they announced Always Online, Mandatory Kinecks, No Pre own, barrowing or selling of used games and a whole crap ton of BS they did when announcing the X-Box 1.

except -
online not required
borrowing, renting, buying and selling used games are all ok
Kinect does not have to be connected

MS tried to make a connected console, tried to combat piracy, tried to be innovative.  the market balked and MS listened, so now just like with PS4 we will get "more of the same".  And, honestly, that's ok for now, because what we need is MORE POWER.  The current consoles are not only long in the tooth, they are freaking Moses crossing the desert old.


Sorry, but my friends and I barrow each others games. And with the "new" layout of the XBox 1. That concept was thrown out the window. If that layout remained in play, we would no longer be allowed to barrow our friends games which to me, is a really big deal because if they have a game I am interested in, I would barrow it from them and play it. If I liked it, I would go and buy it.

Secondly, that was the whole point of my post. They back peddled out of a ditch they dug. Sorry, but a gaming console should never be "Always Online" and require me to connect to the web to play a single player game. I do travel and I really like bringing my consoles with me. So if I go to a place with no internet connection, that console would just become a paper weight. Kinects should not have to be connected for the system to function, and in light of what the NSA was doing, this provided perfect security risks to any household.
 
2013-10-18 11:20:19 AM  

Ned Stark: Sensible people?

frepnog: not sure what your point is. everything I said is spot on and valid. I enjoy the odd Japanese game but let's not pretend that they are not stuck in the past.


Mindless grinding.  Just about any modern versus multiplayer game looking for the Call of Duty audience, also including the free-to-play games which also wall their content.
Senseless stories.  Single-player Western games for the consoles are almost entirely defined as "interactive entertainment", the grand majority of which immediately compare unfavorably to movies or television and have narrative arcs which do nothing to improve their game.
Games on firm rails.  See: Above.
Work sims.  See: Minecraft, and every single game inspired by Minecraft.
Dating sims.  Any game made by BioWare in the last seven years.

Every single thing you're holding against Japanese games is something I would immediately associate with Western games.  And the difference is that, in being "stuck in the past", they're pretty much the only people making games for consoles right now that are actually worth a shiat on a mechanical level.  See: Dark Souls, Vanquish, Metal Gear Rising, Deadly Premonition, Dragon's Dogma, The Wonderful 101, etc.  Scrap The Last of Us and Grand Theft Auto V, and the Japanese are pretty much the only people making games for consoles that are vaguely worth a shiat.  I wish more companies would be "stuck in the past".
 
2013-10-18 11:21:30 AM  
Am I missing what subby is saying but is he suggesting that the switching out a customized bolt (whose tooling has already been paid) with a standard would be allow Sony to lower the price $100?
 
2013-10-18 11:21:53 AM  

gnosis301: Does it come in Mega Laser Charred Space Seaman Black?


Only two colors: Mountain Dew and Doritos Locos Tacos.  Sorry.
 
2013-10-18 11:22:10 AM  

Carth: frepnog: gnosis301: I'm buying whatever console can get the most Japanese games to these shores.

what shores?  USA?  Because that would be PS4, but why exactly?  Japanese game development is at least 10 years behind the west, and more like 15.  Or do you just ENJOY mindless grinding, senseless stories, games on firm rails and work\dating sims?

Yea who would want to play boring little games like Kingdom Hearts  2.5 and 3, Professor Layton, Disgaea, Persona, Grand Turismo, Final Fantasy or Pokemon.


you said nothing that disproves my point.

KH - mindless grinding, senseless stories
Disgea - mindless grinding, senseless story, rails
Persona - mindless grinding, senseless story, rails
FF - stuck so far in the past it can't SEE present day, rails, mindless grinding, senseless stories
Pokemon - Mindless grinding for kids
Grand Turismo - more mindless grinding (good racing, but sweet jesus the grind)
Professor Layton - train your brain clone with adventure trappings (dead genre, trapped in the past)

you were saying?
 
rpm
2013-10-18 11:23:10 AM  

yves0010: Sorry, but a gaming console should never be "Always Online" and require me to connect to the web to play a single player game.


This.

If I ever get a One (which is looking pretty damn unlikely), it will never, ever be connected to the net*. Given all the noises MS has made about backtracking why the hell would I want the risk?

* Yeah, I know that to make the one offline capable you need to download a patch. That alone makes it no buy.
 
2013-10-18 11:23:22 AM  

frepnog: Carth: frepnog: gnosis301: I'm buying whatever console can get the most Japanese games to these shores.

what shores?  USA?  Because that would be PS4, but why exactly?  Japanese game development is at least 10 years behind the west, and more like 15.  Or do you just ENJOY mindless grinding, senseless stories, games on firm rails and work\dating sims?

Yea who would want to play boring little games like Kingdom Hearts  2.5 and 3, Professor Layton, Disgaea, Persona, Grand Turismo, Final Fantasy or Pokemon.

you said nothing that disproves my point.

KH - mindless grinding, senseless stories
Disgea - mindless grinding, senseless story, rails
Persona - mindless grinding, senseless story, rails
FF - stuck so far in the past it can't SEE present day, rails, mindless grinding, senseless stories
Pokemon - Mindless grinding for kids
Grand Turismo - more mindless grinding (good racing, but sweet jesus the grind)
Professor Layton - train your brain clone with adventure trappings (dead genre, trapped in the past)

you were saying?


Sorry, I thought we were talking about games that were  critical and commercial successes. Not games you like personally. My mistake.
 
2013-10-18 11:24:39 AM  

Mike_LowELL: the Japanese are pretty much the only people making games for consoles that are vaguely worth a shiat.


I want some of what you are smoking, because it is obviously some high grade stuff, man.
 
2013-10-18 11:28:06 AM  

Carth: frepnog: Carth: frepnog: gnosis301: I'm buying whatever console can get the most Japanese games to these shores.

what shores?  USA?  Because that would be PS4, but why exactly?  Japanese game development is at least 10 years behind the west, and more like 15.  Or do you just ENJOY mindless grinding, senseless stories, games on firm rails and work\dating sims?

Yea who would want to play boring little games like Kingdom Hearts  2.5 and 3, Professor Layton, Disgaea, Persona, Grand Turismo, Final Fantasy or Pokemon.

you said nothing that disproves my point.

KH - mindless grinding, senseless stories
Disgea - mindless grinding, senseless story, rails
Persona - mindless grinding, senseless story, rails
FF - stuck so far in the past it can't SEE present day, rails, mindless grinding, senseless stories
Pokemon - Mindless grinding for kids
Grand Turismo - more mindless grinding (good racing, but sweet jesus the grind)
Professor Layton - train your brain clone with adventure trappings (dead genre, trapped in the past)

you were saying?

Sorry, I thought we were talking about games that were  critical and commercial successes. Not games you like personally. My mistake.


let's here what two of Japan's greatest gaming minds have to say about it.

"This generation has seen the Japanese gaming industry fall further behind the North American and European gaming industries. This is typified with the likes of Pro Evolution Soccer being beaten annually in terms of sales and quality by FIFA, should Japanese developers start to worry?

It doesn't stop there. Most of the best major RPG's, once a Japanese developers speciality, are now made either in Europe or North America. Oblivion, Fable, Fallout, Dragon Age and Mass Effect all now take a huge portion of the RPG market. In terms of raw power, again, Japanese developers are losing their grip. Uncharted, Gears of War and Killzone produce the best graphics on console and they are all made by Western developers. Metal Gear Solid 4 and Gran Turismo 5 are really the only games that can compete.

The problem is that Japanese developers struggle to make games for the modern Western gamer. Final Fantasy XIII was adapted to appeal to the western audience, but was met by lacklustre reviews. Even the attempt at a Gears of War clone that was Quantum Theory ended up being diabolical. Gran Turismo 5, although sold well, failed to move with the times. Its aged menus and GT mode coupled with a poor executed online mode meant that Forza overtook it before Polyphony realised what hit them. Capcom have even let Ninja Theory make their latest Devil May Cry in an attempt to kick-start the series and appeal more to the west.

In an interview with PSM3, Hideo Kojima had this to say when asked about the Japanese gaming industry. "One thing about Japan - and this isn't just games - is that things that are made in Japan are very much targeted at Japan, whether it's games, movies or novels. It's the curse of Japan. My generation is now being exposed to a wide range of influences, that's why what I want to make is a little bit more in tune with what the people in the west would like". He went on to say, "I really like the things that are being made in the west. When I come to shows like E3 and see the announcements and go to Comic-Con, I love all the presentations, so really I've been thinking maybe I was born in the wrong country!"

Recently at GDC, Phil Fish (indie developer, Polytron) openly stated that all Japanese games suck. In another interview with PSM3, Shinji Mikami was asked about this comment. "I hadn't heard about that! To be told that Japanese games suck is a bit harsh, but personally, 80% of the games I play at the moment are not Japanese. Skyrim, Batman... games like that are more interesting to me right now. Japan need to make more good games to make people think otherwise".


Two people that have played major roles in the Japanese gaming industry acknowledge that Japan needs to adapt. They need to make their games more suited for the West to avoid being overshadowed by Western gaming developers. Next gen is around the corner and probably the best time to start a turn around."
 
2013-10-18 11:30:01 AM  

Mike_LowELL: gnosis301: I'm buying whatever console can get the most Japanese games to these shores.

But Japanese games are good.  You don't want to be a hardcore gamer, do you?


The Japanese game companies have all dropped the ball this last generation. Yay, another 30 minute cut scene. If any of them could write, it wouldn't only be hair-pulling bad.
 
2013-10-18 11:30:43 AM  

rpm: If I ever get a One (which is looking pretty damn unlikely), it will never, ever be connected to the net*. Given all the noises MS has made about backtracking why the hell would I want the risk?

* Yeah, I know that to make the one offline capable you need to download a patch. That alone makes it no buy.


so you never connected a 360 or PS3 or Wii to the internet?  Connectivity is just a fact of life these days; our consoles, computers, telephones, televisions, and even cars are linking to the net.  Time to move on into the present day, my friend.
 
2013-10-18 11:30:47 AM  

digistil: Carth: scottydoesntknow: Sony won't drop their prices until Microsoft drops theirs to below the PS4. They've already undercut the Xbox One by $100. There won't be any price breaks on the PS4 for a while.

If Xbox One is drastically outsold this holiday season I expect a $349 kinectless SKU around Titanfall's launch.

If? Everything I've read from investors has the Xbox One as the next Saturn.


I think you're completely incorrect. You're not taking in to account that Xbox One is gambling on expanding their market outside of hardcore gaming. It's a media center. And yes, you and half the people on here have their own homebrew media centers. But that's appealing to the average consumer. plug it in, connect to all kinds of media. Microsoft has been positioning itself well to deal with cloud-based computing, and it will show with this product.

in short:

PS4: Will sell to hardcore PS fans, hardcore gamers who hate Xbox One
Xbox One: Will sell to hardcore Xbox fans, people who want media center
WiiU: Will sell to people with kids 4-12, casual gamers.
 
2013-10-18 11:33:26 AM  

frepnog: Don't be stupid.  The world is ready, nay, BEGGING for something new.  This console generation has stretched on FAR too long, and the new Xbox is neck and neck with pre-orders with the PS4 - brand loyalty is BIG in America.  Xbox ONE will do just fine.  With the news that the Xbox ONE will not require the Kinect to be attached, it will do nothing but sell and sell well.  All MS needs is a few big exclusives (or a HALO 5 announcement) and the thing will fly off the shelves.  Christmas this year will be interesting, at least.


So I'm curious what you do as an employee for Microsoft?
 
2013-10-18 11:36:16 AM  

frepnog: Two people that have played major roles in the Japanese gaming industry acknowledge that Japan needs to adapt. They need to make their games more suited for the West to avoid being overshadowed by Western gaming developers. Next gen is around the corner and probably the best time to start a turn around."


None of which changes my point that all the games I listed are very well reviewed and sold a ton of copies. Obviously millions of people are playing and enjoying them. It is cool you don't like games coming out of Japan but you shouldn't be surprised that many people do.

I can't stand the mindless running around, grinding and short single player that defines Call of Duty but it sells 10 million plus copies a year so I'm not surprised when I run into someone who enjoys it.

It doesn't matter to me if 90% of games coming out of Japan are crap as long as they still release 10 or so games a year that are great and I want to play. I don't have time to play the hundreds of games they put out each year so I can just pay for the highlights.


I'm more annoyed that more of the developers are moving to handhelds and phones and away from consoles than the quality of games being put out.
 
2013-10-18 11:36:59 AM  

Nemo's Brother: The Japanese game companies have all dropped the ball this last generation.


Maybe so, but I'm the kind of person who enjoys Tales of Whatever, Ys, Suikoden, and Harvest Moon.  In the end, I buy what I find fun, not necessarily what pushes the envelope.

/ Speaking of Suikoden:  Yoshiataka Mjurayama, if Keiji Inafune can use Kickstarter to fund a Megaman ripoff, you can do the same for a Suikoden ripoff.
 
rpm
2013-10-18 11:38:48 AM  

frepnog: rpm: If I ever get a One (which is looking pretty damn unlikely), it will never, ever be connected to the net*. Given all the noises MS has made about backtracking why the hell would I want the risk?

* Yeah, I know that to make the one offline capable you need to download a patch. That alone makes it no buy.

so you never connected a 360 or PS3 or Wii to the internet?  Connectivity is just a fact of life these days; our consoles, computers, telephones, televisions, and even cars are linking to the net.  Time to move on into the present day, my friend.


Yeah, they are. But given the noises MS has made and is still making about the One, there's is no way in hell I'd connect it to the Internet. I will connect things to the net for my benefit, not theirs.
 
2013-10-18 11:39:22 AM  

gingerjet: frepnog: Don't be stupid.  The world is ready, nay, BEGGING for something new.  This console generation has stretched on FAR too long, and the new Xbox is neck and neck with pre-orders with the PS4 - brand loyalty is BIG in America.  Xbox ONE will do just fine.  With the news that the Xbox ONE will not require the Kinect to be attached, it will do nothing but sell and sell well.  All MS needs is a few big exclusives (or a HALO 5 announcement) and the thing will fly off the shelves.  Christmas this year will be interesting, at least.

So I'm curious what you do as an employee for Microsoft?


I don't work for MS.  I am not shilling for the Xbox ONe.  I am simply stating facts - that the world is ready for something new, there are two new consoles coming out, and one of them has a large market share already, die hard fans, and lots of people that are going to pony up day of launch and take one home.  This next-gen race will be neck and neck.  The price difference MIGHT get some Xbox fans onboard with PS4, but fact is that people will play what their friends have, and I already know TONS of people that are basically tied to Xbox LIVE with a group of friends that are in that same category, and are absolutely sticking with MS.  Sony will do fine, I don't for one minute believe that MS is going to trounce them, but by the same token, anyone that thinks Sony is going to destroy the Xbox ONE are deluding themselves.
 
2013-10-18 11:40:33 AM  

frepnog: Carth: frepnog: Carth: frepnog: gnosis301: I'm buying whatever console can get the most Japanese games to these shores.

what shores?  USA?  Because that would be PS4, but why exactly?  Japanese game development is at least 10 years behind the west, and more like 15.  Or do you just ENJOY mindless grinding, senseless stories, games on firm rails and work\dating sims?

Yea who would want to play boring little games like Kingdom Hearts  2.5 and 3, Professor Layton, Disgaea, Persona, Grand Turismo, Final Fantasy or Pokemon.

you said nothing that disproves my point.

KH - mindless grinding, senseless stories
Disgea - mindless grinding, senseless story, rails
Persona - mindless grinding, senseless story, rails
FF - stuck so far in the past it can't SEE present day, rails, mindless grinding, senseless stories
Pokemon - Mindless grinding for kids
Grand Turismo - more mindless grinding (good racing, but sweet jesus the grind)
Professor Layton - train your brain clone with adventure trappings (dead genre, trapped in the past)

you were saying?

Sorry, I thought we were talking about games that were  critical and commercial successes. Not games you like personally. My mistake.

let's here what two of Japan's greatest gaming minds have to say about it.

"This generation has seen the Japanese gaming industry fall further behind the North American and European gaming industries. This is typified with the likes of Pro Evolution Soccer being beaten annually in terms of sales and quality by FIFA, should Japanese developers start to worry?

It doesn't stop there. Most of the best major RPG's, once a Japanese developers speciality, are now made either in Europe or North America. Oblivion, Fable, Fallout, Dragon Age and Mass Effect all now take a huge portion of the RPG market. In terms of raw power, again, Japanese developers are losing their grip. Uncharted, Gears of War and Killzone produce the best graphics on console and they are all made by Western developers. Metal Gear Solid ...


Well put.

And you're right if you think about it. The Western Titles have totally demolished Japanese titles with very few exceptions.

Now let me get back to my 3DS Pokemon.
 
2013-10-18 11:45:02 AM  

justtray: Now let me get back to my 3DS Pokemon


Is it anyone's fault that the only handhelds that have ever gotten any traction are Japanese?

Or is it true that the iPhone\Android market are seriously breaking the handheld console market, devaluing games to the point where people simply don't get why they should pay 35-45 bucks for games that play very similarly to games they can get for free\99 cents on devices they already own?

Nintendo does well with the gameboy, but that day of dominance is going to end with the mobile phone market moving as it has.
 
2013-10-18 11:49:21 AM  

frepnog: I want some of what you are smoking, because it is obviously some high grade stuff, man.


The Japanese have always done traditional action games better.  And to quote something in your other post:

The problem is that Japanese developers struggle to make games for the modern Western gamer.

This is only their problem from a business standpoint.  Japanese developers struggle to make games for the modern Western gamer because their games actually tend to be challenging and well-designed, and you actually have to understand the systems and mechanics in order to be good at them.

Nemo's Brother: The Japanese game companies have all dropped the ball this last generation. Yay, another 30 minute cut scene. If any of them could write, it wouldn't only be hair-pulling bad.


I would consult the list of games that I mentioned above.  After you see them the first time, the cutscenes in those games can be skipped without a hitch.
 
2013-10-18 11:51:32 AM  

Mike_LowELL: Japanese developers struggle to make games for the modern Western gamer because their games actually tend to be challenging and well-designed, and you actually have to understand the systems and mechanics in order to be good at them.


oh wow.  so western gamers are just stupid.

0_o
 
2013-10-18 11:54:40 AM  

frepnog: Carth: frepnog: gnosis301: I'm buying whatever console can get the most Japanese games to these shores.

what shores?  USA?  Because that would be PS4, but why exactly?  Japanese game development is at least 10 years behind the west, and more like 15.  Or do you just ENJOY mindless grinding, senseless stories, games on firm rails and work\dating sims?

Yea who would want to play boring little games like Kingdom Hearts  2.5 and 3, Professor Layton, Disgaea, Persona, Grand Turismo, Final Fantasy or Pokemon.

you said nothing that disproves my point.

KH - mindless grinding, senseless stories
Disgea - mindless grinding, senseless story, rails
Persona - mindless grinding, senseless story, rails
FF - stuck so far in the past it can't SEE present day, rails, mindless grinding, senseless stories
Pokemon - Mindless grinding for kids
Grand Turismo - more mindless grinding (good racing, but sweet jesus the grind)
Professor Layton - train your brain clone with adventure trappings (dead genre, trapped in the past)

you were saying?


your opinion man and all that.   There's a lot of eastern developed titles on all platforms I'd like an opportunity to play.
And a lot of western created titles , even if they are all mindless  on rails generic FPS clones with too many check points, too many QTE's and a token animal thrown in  there for good measure.
 
2013-10-18 11:56:39 AM  

Mike_LowELL: frepnog: I want some of what you are smoking, because it is obviously some high grade stuff, man.

The Japanese have always done traditional action games better.  And to quote something in your other post:

The problem is that Japanese developers struggle to make games for the modern Western gamer.

This is only their problem from a business standpoint.  Japanese developers struggle to make games for the modern Western gamer because their games actually tend to be challenging and well-designed, and you actually have to understand the systems and mechanics in order to be good at them.

Nemo's Brother: The Japanese game companies have all dropped the ball this last generation. Yay, another 30 minute cut scene. If any of them could write, it wouldn't only be hair-pulling bad.

I would consult the list of games that I mentioned above.  After you see them the first time, the cutscenes in those games can be skipped without a hitch.


To help with your point about Japanese games being difficult unless you learn the mechanics. Look at Demon's Soul and Dark Souls. Those two games are some of the most difficult games I have played last generation... until I learned how to play and the game became easy. I could down bosses without being hit due to how the game was set up. You had to watch and learn what your enemies did. And then learn how to counter them in certain ways. Will a parry do or should I go for the back stab? Dodge the hit, deflect it with my shield or take the hit hoping my poise wont break.
 
2013-10-18 12:00:13 PM  
I just built a PC for $700 that will be able to run BF4 and The Witcher 3 on Ultra.  Conslols.
 
2013-10-18 12:03:15 PM  

yves0010: You had to watch and learn what your enemies did. And then learn how to counter them in certain ways.


so.  same old crap - learn the boss patterns to win.

being doing that since NES days, and frankly, I was sick of it 10 years ago.

Hell, the concept of the "boss fight" should have died years ago.
 
2013-10-18 12:04:19 PM  

Well I use Mac/Linux...: I just built a PC for $700 that will be able to run BF4 and The Witcher 3 on Ultra.  Conslols.


umm congrats?  have a gold star?
 
rpm
2013-10-18 12:06:24 PM  

Well I use Mac/Linux...: I just built a PC for $700 that will be able to run BF4 and The Witcher 3 on Ultra.  Conslols.


How well does it run Red Dead Redemption? Inquiring minds want to know.
 
2013-10-18 12:06:42 PM  

olapbill: Well I use Mac/Linux...: I just built a PC for $700 that will be able to run BF4 and The Witcher 3 on Ultra.  Conslols.

umm congrats?  have a gold star?


He does it in every video game thread. For a supposed master race, they sure are insecure about themselves.
 
2013-10-18 12:06:45 PM  

frepnog: gingerjet: frepnog: Don't be stupid.  The world is ready, nay, BEGGING for something new.  This console generation has stretched on FAR too long, and the new Xbox is neck and neck with pre-orders with the PS4 - brand loyalty is BIG in America.  Xbox ONE will do just fine.  With the news that the Xbox ONE will not require the Kinect to be attached, it will do nothing but sell and sell well.  All MS needs is a few big exclusives (or a HALO 5 announcement) and the thing will fly off the shelves.  Christmas this year will be interesting, at least.

So I'm curious what you do as an employee for Microsoft?

I don't work for MS.  I am not shilling for the Xbox ONe.  I am simply stating facts - that the world is ready for something new, there are two new consoles coming out, and one of them has a large market share already, die hard fans, and lots of people that are going to pony up day of launch and take one home.  This next-gen race will be neck and neck.  The price difference MIGHT get some Xbox fans onboard with PS4, but fact is that people will play what their friends have, and I already know TONS of people that are basically tied to Xbox LIVE with a group of friends that are in that same category, and are absolutely sticking with MS.  Sony will do fine, I don't for one minute believe that MS is going to trounce them, but by the same token, anyone that thinks Sony is going to destroy the Xbox ONE are deluding themselves.


I nominate frepnog for "Shill Of The Year."

/All opposed?
 
rpm
2013-10-18 12:07:07 PM  

frepnog: Hell, the concept of the "boss fight" should have died years ago.


This. I freaking hate bosses.
 
2013-10-18 12:08:53 PM  

frepnog: yves0010: You had to watch and learn what your enemies did. And then learn how to counter them in certain ways.

so.  same old crap - learn the boss patterns to win.

being doing that since NES days, and frankly, I was sick of it 10 years ago.

Hell, the concept of the "boss fight" should have died years ago.


Not really as the enemies might have the same pattern but you never know if a player would attack you out of no where. Or that the enemies would gang up on you. it is all about situational awareness in that game. Each encounter would be unique, as I have never had the same fight with the same enemies.
 
2013-10-18 12:09:23 PM  

Well I use Mac/Linux...: I just built a PC for $700 that will be able to run BF4 and The Witcher 3 on Ultra.  Conslols.


Not on linux it won't. But seriously. This is probably the worst time to be building a gaming PC.
 
2013-10-18 12:10:26 PM  

scottydoesntknow: olapbill: Well I use Mac/Linux...: I just built a PC for $700 that will be able to run BF4 and The Witcher 3 on Ultra.  Conslols.

umm congrats?  have a gold star?

He does it in every video game thread. For a supposed master race, they sure are insecure about themselves.


Back when Crysis came out, my computer was able to run it on its highest setting possible. Was proud of that fact. But only bragged about it when people like this made those comments.
 
2013-10-18 12:11:24 PM  

rpm: This. I freaking hate bosses.


Any bosses in particular?  I ask because I like bosses, and I want to know why you don't.
 
2013-10-18 12:13:32 PM  

Hebalo: digistil: Carth: scottydoesntknow: Sony won't drop their prices until Microsoft drops theirs to below the PS4. They've already undercut the Xbox One by $100. There won't be any price breaks on the PS4 for a while.

If Xbox One is drastically outsold this holiday season I expect a $349 kinectless SKU around Titanfall's launch.

If? Everything I've read from investors has the Xbox One as the next Saturn.

I think you're completely incorrect. You're not taking in to account that Xbox One is gambling on expanding their market outside of hardcore gaming. It's a media center. And yes, you and half the people on here have their own homebrew media centers. But that's appealing to the average consumer. plug it in, connect to all kinds of media. Microsoft has been positioning itself well to deal with cloud-based computing, and it will show with this product.

in short:

PS4: Will sell to hardcore PS fans, hardcore gamers who hate Xbox One
Xbox One: Will sell to hardcore Xbox fans, people who want media center
WiiU: Will sell to people with kids 4-12, casual gamers.


Most everyone I know who still games (I'm 34) bought a PS3 because it was also a media player. Why would the 4 be any different?
 
2013-10-18 12:13:36 PM  

Summer Glau's Love Slave: frepnog: gingerjet: frepnog: Don't be stupid.  The world is ready, nay, BEGGING for something new.  This console generation has stretched on FAR too long, and the new Xbox is neck and neck with pre-orders with the PS4 - brand loyalty is BIG in America.  Xbox ONE will do just fine.  With the news that the Xbox ONE will not require the Kinect to be attached, it will do nothing but sell and sell well.  All MS needs is a few big exclusives (or a HALO 5 announcement) and the thing will fly off the shelves.  Christmas this year will be interesting, at least.

So I'm curious what you do as an employee for Microsoft?

I don't work for MS.  I am not shilling for the Xbox ONe.  I am simply stating facts - that the world is ready for something new, there are two new consoles coming out, and one of them has a large market share already, die hard fans, and lots of people that are going to pony up day of launch and take one home.  This next-gen race will be neck and neck.  The price difference MIGHT get some Xbox fans onboard with PS4, but fact is that people will play what their friends have, and I already know TONS of people that are basically tied to Xbox LIVE with a group of friends that are in that same category, and are absolutely sticking with MS.  Sony will do fine, I don't for one minute believe that MS is going to trounce them, but by the same token, anyone that thinks Sony is going to destroy the Xbox ONE are deluding themselves.

I nominate frepnog for "Shill Of The Year."

/All opposed?


i dunno. there's nothing incorrect in what's been said. I have both "this gen" consoles, but never got into the 360 as much as the ps3.  Therefore i'm only going ps4 for next gen.   But there are plenty of people heavily invested in their gamertags and achievement scores, plus their circle of virtual and not so virtual player friends that won't give that all up to console hop.
 
2013-10-18 12:14:21 PM  

gnosis301: I'm buying a Alienware Delta Gamma Epsilon Saucer XLLL Glowy-Nyuu-Nyuu 1175 for my ultra hardcorps gaming needs.


Fark it, my next gaming machine will be a Mac Pro.  Hard to beat those Xeons for raw grunt.
 
2013-10-18 12:20:01 PM  
The comment about Microsoft's own branded Xbox screws is full of win.
 
2013-10-18 12:24:07 PM  

yves0010: Look at Demon's Soul and Dark Souls. Those two games are some of the most difficult games I have played last generation... until I learned how to play and the game became easy. I could down bosses without being hit due to how the game was set up. You had to watch and learn what your enemies did. And then learn how to counter them in certain ways.


That's supposed to be the idea.  Go back through the older arcade and console games and--assuming you're playing the ones worth a damn--you'll get to do this over and over, and it's great.  I've been playing Bionic Commando, and it's wonderful to see how it plays completely different than pretty much any other platformer I can think of on the system, even if it has its occasional down moments.  Took a while to get used to the mechanics, but once you do, it's a joy, and it was fun getting to that point, either which way.  You don't have to learn anything to play today's console games.  Everything is standardized and everything is spelled out for you.

frepnog: being doing that since NES days, and frankly, I was sick of it 10 years ago.


Then you're basically saying "I don't like games where I actually have to learn how to play."  Half the fun in a game is trying to figure that shiat out.  Then, if the game is well-designed, you still have to execute the concepts successfully.

frepnog: Hell, the concept of the "boss fight" should have died years ago.


Boss fights are fine.  They're only shiat if they suck.
 
rpm
2013-10-18 12:25:05 PM  

gnosis301: rpm: This. I freaking hate bosses.

Any bosses in particular?  I ask because I like bosses, and I want to know why you don't.


Probably more accurately cheap bosses or bosses that aren't properly scaled to their areas. These seem to be far, far more common than any decent bosses.

Also, something that is just better than you by virtue of improved armor / HP isn't any fun. It's just a slog to kill him.
 
2013-10-18 12:29:40 PM  

olapbill: Summer Glau's Love Slave: frepnog: gingerjet: frepnog: Don't be stupid.  The world is ready, nay, BEGGING for something new.  This console generation has stretched on FAR too long, and the new Xbox is neck and neck with pre-orders with the PS4 - brand loyalty is BIG in America.  Xbox ONE will do just fine.  With the news that the Xbox ONE will not require the Kinect to be attached, it will do nothing but sell and sell well.  All MS needs is a few big exclusives (or a HALO 5 announcement) and the thing will fly off the shelves.  Christmas this year will be interesting, at least.

So I'm curious what you do as an employee for Microsoft?

I don't work for MS.  I am not shilling for the Xbox ONe.  I am simply stating facts - that the world is ready for something new, there are two new consoles coming out, and one of them has a large market share already, die hard fans, and lots of people that are going to pony up day of launch and take one home.  This next-gen race will be neck and neck.  The price difference MIGHT get some Xbox fans onboard with PS4, but fact is that people will play what their friends have, and I already know TONS of people that are basically tied to Xbox LIVE with a group of friends that are in that same category, and are absolutely sticking with MS.  Sony will do fine, I don't for one minute believe that MS is going to trounce them, but by the same token, anyone that thinks Sony is going to destroy the Xbox ONE are deluding themselves.

I nominate frepnog for "Shill Of The Year."

/All opposed?

i dunno. there's nothing incorrect in what's been said. I have both "this gen" consoles, but never got into the 360 as much as the ps3.  Therefore i'm only going ps4 for next gen.   But there are plenty of people heavily invested in their gamertags and achievement scores, plus their circle of virtual and not so virtual player friends that won't give that all up to console hop.


I honestly don't think they care.  No BC means having to buy entirely new games anyways, and GS doesn't really get you anything.

By the logic in your post, the wii U should be selling like mad, and the ps3 should have won last gen.  Gamers are probably the least loyal by far when it comes to brands between generations.  they will go where they want to go, and next to nothing will stop them.
 
2013-10-18 12:31:08 PM  

rpm: Also, something that is just better than you by virtue of improved armor / HP isn't any fun. It's just a slog to kill him.


I see.  I guess the bosses I'm used to fighting are old school type state-machine controlled/pattern recognition bosses.
Like this:   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7oqK3DXSnSQ
 
2013-10-18 12:34:51 PM  
Came for glorious PC gamer master race.

Left disappointed.
 
2013-10-18 12:36:36 PM  

Antimatter: olapbill: Summer Glau's Love Slave: frepnog: gingerjet: frepnog: Don't be stupid.  The world is ready, nay, BEGGING for something new.  This console generation has stretched on FAR too long, and the new Xbox is neck and neck with pre-orders with the PS4 - brand loyalty is BIG in America.  Xbox ONE will do just fine.  With the news that the Xbox ONE will not require the Kinect to be attached, it will do nothing but sell and sell well.  All MS needs is a few big exclusives (or a HALO 5 announcement) and the thing will fly off the shelves.  Christmas this year will be interesting, at least.

So I'm curious what you do as an employee for Microsoft?

I don't work for MS.  I am not shilling for the Xbox ONe.  I am simply stating facts - that the world is ready for something new, there are two new consoles coming out, and one of them has a large market share already, die hard fans, and lots of people that are going to pony up day of launch and take one home.  This next-gen race will be neck and neck.  The price difference MIGHT get some Xbox fans onboard with PS4, but fact is that people will play what their friends have, and I already know TONS of people that are basically tied to Xbox LIVE with a group of friends that are in that same category, and are absolutely sticking with MS.  Sony will do fine, I don't for one minute believe that MS is going to trounce them, but by the same token, anyone that thinks Sony is going to destroy the Xbox ONE are deluding themselves.

I nominate frepnog for "Shill Of The Year."

/All opposed?

i dunno. there's nothing incorrect in what's been said. I have both "this gen" consoles, but never got into the 360 as much as the ps3.  Therefore i'm only going ps4 for next gen.   But there are plenty of people heavily invested in their gamertags and achievement scores, plus their circle of virtual and not so virtual player friends that won't give that all up to console hop.

I honestly don't think they care.  No BC means having to buy entirely n ...


well hold on. Wii  had the worst social network going. Personally I think the general feeling that the Wii was kid oriented and heavy in shovelware is what has damaged the wii U. Plus the fact Wii U seems all too current gen on the cusp of next gen launch.
Current gen wise, at launch, there was enough exclusive titles per system that swayed buyers one way on another.  That line seems to now be limited to mostly timed exclusives, with very few titles being one console only.  With the purchase of the streaming company, Sony has hinted at having back catalogues available on the ps4 at a date TBD for ps3 titles.  I'm sure MS will look to do the same.  Again, I don't think that the circle you play on line with can be overlooked as part of the criteria on next gen console purchase.  Hell, button layout is a deciding factor for my lazy ass.
 
2013-10-18 12:38:31 PM  

olapbill: Hell, button layout is a deciding factor for my lazy ass.


Ha, I thought I was the only one who was that insane. I went with Xbox 360 last gen because I hate the Dual shock 3 and am picking up PS4 this gen because the DS4 is awesome and i found the XBO controller too small and the bumpers were annoying.
 
2013-10-18 12:40:46 PM  

Carth: I hate the Dual shock 3


Carth: am picking up PS4 this gen because the DS4 is awesome


it is the same goddamn controller, except with a touch pad.

what are you smoking?  the PS controller has sucked since they bolted analog sticks onto the original PS1 pad.
 
rpm
2013-10-18 12:40:49 PM  

gnosis301: rpm: Also, something that is just better than you by virtue of improved armor / HP isn't any fun. It's just a slog to kill him.

I see.  I guess the bosses I'm used to fighting are old school type state-machine controlled/pattern recognition bosses.
Like this:   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7oqK3DXSnSQ


Those can be, and are often, cheap. Make some of the things too powerful and relatively rare, you're going to be doing the boss over and over to get the pattern. Plus, if the tells are too quick, it's cheap.

I don't mind bosses where, if I die, it's because I farked up and know I farked up, and know how to adjust to fix it. I want a challenge, not something frustrating; there's a fine line between the two.
 
2013-10-18 12:46:03 PM  

frepnog: Carth: I hate the Dual shock 3

Carth: am picking up PS4 this gen because the DS4 is awesome

it is the same goddamn controller, except with a touch pad.

what are you smoking?  the PS controller has sucked since they bolted analog sticks onto the original PS1 pad.


Um not even close. I spent about 60 minutes with the controller yesterday and they changed a ton of things. The controller is larger, the trigers are concave not convex same with the analog sticks. Also it didn't feel slippery after 30 minutes like the DS3 did. It is right up there with the XB360 controller for my favorite of all time.

the Xbox one controller on the other hand seems smaller and they got rid of the space between the bumper and trigger which i found really annoying. The rumble on the triggers was very neat though. It felt like they took an awesome controller and made a bunch of changes most of which made it worst.
 
2013-10-18 12:46:08 PM  

rpm: Those can be, and are often, cheap. Make some of the things too powerful and relatively rare, you're going to be doing the boss over and over to get the pattern. Plus, if the tells are too quick, it's cheap.


To each their own.  I found them to be fun.  For me, retrying these kinds of bosses are part of the fun as well.  As for the tells, I find the Ys games make their bosses' tells pretty well.  Now bosses can be cheap, particularly the last guy from Killzone 2; they can also be unimaginative, like in Mass Effect.  Now those bosses I found to be just the same as grunts but with better stats.  I suppose the same goes for games like Final Fantasy, as well.
 
2013-10-18 12:47:49 PM  

Carth: Um not even close. I spent about 60 minutes with the controller yesterday and they changed a ton of things. The controller is larger, the trigers are concave not convex same with the analog sticks.


well, that is good news.
 
2013-10-18 12:49:33 PM  

gnosis301: For me, retrying these kinds of bosses are part of the fun as well.


As an addendum, it really helps for the game to load up the boss fights quick.  Deus Ex was shiat because of the retrying and the load times between retries.  Ys loads up the boss rooms really quick and reloading the fights are fast.
 
2013-10-18 12:49:49 PM  
Meh, doesn't affect me. I plan to get a Steam Machine.
 
2013-10-18 12:51:49 PM  
I'll probably pick up a PS3 either Black Friday or early 2014 after the price drops so I can play the Naughty Dog games for cheap.

Then I'll likely get an Xbone after the initial launch issues that plague consoles get ironed out. I think the offloading of processing to cloud servers is a great, forward-thinking move that can enable developers to create unique experiences. Free servers incentivizes that as well. Beyond that, there's no compelling reason for me to sway toward either console.

For me it comes down to if the game I like are there, if my friends are there, if the controller and UI is something I can tolerate using for hours on end, and then all the other media stuff is separate. I don't have any friends on PlayStation (or planning on moving there), I despise the feel of the PS controller, and their exclusives outside of Naughty Dog are of no interest to me.
 
2013-10-18 12:53:24 PM  
so much fanboy derp in here.... jesus.
 
2013-10-18 01:01:29 PM  

rpm: Well I use Mac/Linux...: I just built a PC for $700 that will be able to run BF4 and The Witcher 3 on Ultra.  Conslols.

How well does it run Red Dead Redemption? Inquiring minds want to know.


It doesn't.  My PS3 runs it fine, though.  What else you got?
 
2013-10-18 01:02:30 PM  

spidermann: so much fanboy derp in here.... jesus.


lots of people for some reason think the Xbox ONE is going to tank while simultaneously sucking Sony's dick, anyway.

neck and neck, people.  neck and neck.
 
2013-10-18 01:02:53 PM  

AmazinTim: I'll probably pick up a PS3 either Black Friday or early 2014 after the price drops so I can play the Naughty Dog games for cheap.

Then I'll likely get an Xbone after the initial launch issues that plague consoles get ironed out. I think the offloading of processing to cloud servers is a great, forward-thinking move that can enable developers to create unique experiences. Free servers incentivizes that as well. Beyond that, there's no compelling reason for me to sway toward either console.

For me it comes down to if the game I like are there, if my friends are there, if the controller and UI is something I can tolerate using for hours on end, and then all the other media stuff is separate. I don't have any friends on PlayStation (or planning on moving there), I despise the feel of the PS controller, and their exclusives outside of Naughty Dog are of no interest to me.


Gamestop is going to have a Black Friday bundle with a 250GB PS3, The Last of Us, and Arkham: Origins for $199.  That's a ludicrously good deal.
 
2013-10-18 01:03:35 PM  

Well I use Mac/Linux...: Black Friday bundle with a 250GB PS3, The Last of Us, and Arkham: Origins for $199. That's a ludicrously good deal.


hell yeah it is.
 
rpm
2013-10-18 01:08:53 PM  

Well I use Mac/Linux...: rpm: Well I use Mac/Linux...: I just built a PC for $700 that will be able to run BF4 and The Witcher 3 on Ultra.  Conslols.

How well does it run Red Dead Redemption? Inquiring minds want to know.

It doesn't.  My PS3 runs it fine, though.  What else you got?


So you're saying they're not Conslols, since you actually see a purpose to them. Or are you a hipster using it ironically?
 
2013-10-18 01:19:44 PM  

rpm: Well I use Mac/Linux...: rpm: Well I use Mac/Linux...: I just built a PC for $700 that will be able to run BF4 and The Witcher 3 on Ultra.  Conslols.

How well does it run Red Dead Redemption? Inquiring minds want to know.

It doesn't.  My PS3 runs it fine, though.  What else you got?

So you're saying they're not Conslols, since you actually see a purpose to them. Or are you a hipster using it ironically?


Consoles are fine as secondary gaming machines.  Just as you wouldn't take anyone who used a Vita or a 3DS as their main system seriously, I cannot take anyone whose main system is a console seriously.  Consoles are for great exclusives that you cannot play on the PC, like RDR.  Conslols are for Skyrim and BF3.
 
2013-10-18 01:36:15 PM  

Well I use Mac/Linux...: rpm: Well I use Mac/Linux...: rpm: Well I use Mac/Linux...: I just built a PC for $700 that will be able to run BF4 and The Witcher 3 on Ultra.  Conslols.

How well does it run Red Dead Redemption? Inquiring minds want to know.

It doesn't.  My PS3 runs it fine, though.  What else you got?

So you're saying they're not Conslols, since you actually see a purpose to them. Or are you a hipster using it ironically?

Consoles are fine as secondary gaming machines.  Just as you wouldn't take anyone who used a Vita or a 3DS as their main system seriously, I cannot take anyone whose main system is a console seriously.  Consoles are for great exclusives that you cannot play on the PC, like RDR.  Conslols are for Skyrim and BF3.


cool.  that's enough derp in one post to give you a "don't take seriously about jack shiat color"
 
rpm
2013-10-18 01:37:24 PM  

Well I use Mac/Linux...: Just as you wouldn't take anyone who used a Vita or a 3DS as their main system


I do take them seriously.

The only ones I don't take seriously are the ones who think that primary platform matters.
 
2013-10-18 01:37:55 PM  

olapbill: Well I use Mac/Linux...: rpm: Well I use Mac/Linux...: rpm: Well I use Mac/Linux...: I just built a PC for $700 that will be able to run BF4 and The Witcher 3 on Ultra.  Conslols.

How well does it run Red Dead Redemption? Inquiring minds want to know.

It doesn't.  My PS3 runs it fine, though.  What else you got?

So you're saying they're not Conslols, since you actually see a purpose to them. Or are you a hipster using it ironically?

Consoles are fine as secondary gaming machines.  Just as you wouldn't take anyone who used a Vita or a 3DS as their main system seriously, I cannot take anyone whose main system is a console seriously.  Consoles are for great exclusives that you cannot play on the PC, like RDR.  Conslols are for Skyrim and BF3.

cool.  that's enough derp in one post to give you a "don't take seriously about jack shiat color"


Does the truth hurt?
 
2013-10-18 01:39:18 PM  

Well I use Mac/Linux...: rpm: Well I use Mac/Linux...: rpm: Well I use Mac/Linux...: I just built a PC for $700 that will be able to run BF4 and The Witcher 3 on Ultra.  Conslols.

How well does it run Red Dead Redemption? Inquiring minds want to know.

It doesn't.  My PS3 runs it fine, though.  What else you got?

So you're saying they're not Conslols, since you actually see a purpose to them. Or are you a hipster using it ironically?

Consoles are fine as secondary gaming machines.  Just as you wouldn't take anyone who used a Vita or a 3DS as their main system seriously, I cannot take anyone whose main system is a console seriously.  Consoles are for great exclusives that you cannot play on the PC, like RDR.  Conslols are for Skyrim and BF3.


I buy ether or most of the time, because well, sometimes I just want to kick back in the living room and play versus in my den at the PC.  PC and Vita were my go to for the last year and a half or so though, with only a few console purchases.

Next gen will probably be the opposite for the first few years, outside games with heavy mod support or MMO's and rts games.
 
2013-10-18 01:41:41 PM  

frepnog: Hell, the concept of the "boss fight" should have died years ago.


Boss fights are great when they fit the environment of the game, or are poorly implemented.  Boss fights are terrible when they don't fit the environment of the game, or are poorly implemented.

Good boss fights?  The Metroid series, the Zelda series, etc.  Bad boss fights?  Look to something like Vinnie Gognitti in Max Payne, which was stupid because he's just another guy, but this time, you have to shoot him 50 times in the face.  It made no sense considering the type of enemy he was, and the type of game that Remedy had created to that point.  You could also consider something like the toxic plant from Bulletstorm, wherein the boss battle was about ten minutes longer than it needed to be, or RAAM from Gears of War, which was just stupid.

It's all about implementation, creativity and the type of game you're making.  A boss battle isn't inherently a bad thing, but "guy seems normal but takes a billion bullets to kill him" is just a lazy copout to pad game length.
 
2013-10-18 01:47:37 PM  

Well I use Mac/Linux...: I just built a PC for $700 that will be able to run BF4 and The Witcher 3 on Ultra.  Conslols.


You must have reused a lot of parts or not care about resolution/fps. Even my 7990 can barely handle BF4 at 1440p ultra and 60 fps. Mind posting your build?
 
2013-10-18 01:48:31 PM  
As for wife and I...

PS4.

She already has a 3DS, eventually I'll get a Vita, but the PS4 fits us. We're not big on FPS (it takes something exceptional/different like Portal, Bioshock, Mirror's Edge to get me to touch a FPS-type game), we don't feel the need or want to play online all the time, and when it comes to games in total the Sony consoles have always had the exclusives we want and the cross-platform games we crave. I don't see that changing in this round of consoles.

This console generation the only game I feel I missed out on was Alan Wake for the 360 but it wasn't worth buying another 360 for one game after having sold the 360 we never touched and I don't really feel all that broken up about it.
 
2013-10-18 01:52:06 PM  

Carth: Well I use Mac/Linux...: I just built a PC for $700 that will be able to run BF4 and The Witcher 3 on Ultra.  Conslols.

You must have reused a lot of parts or not care about resolution/fps. Even my 7990 can barely handle BF4 at 1440p ultra and 60 fps. Mind posting your build?


I reused my case, PSU, and hard drives.  I'm running an i5 and a 7970.  I was getting around 80fps in the BF4 beta before I downloaded the AMD beta drivers, which were actually worse than what I already had.  I just played some BF3 on ultra the night before last and got a steady 60fps while recording with Dxtory.  I play at 1920x1200.
 
2013-10-18 01:56:24 PM  

Well I use Mac/Linux...: Carth: Well I use Mac/Linux...: I just built a PC for $700 that will be able to run BF4 and The Witcher 3 on Ultra.  Conslols.

You must have reused a lot of parts or not care about resolution/fps. Even my 7990 can barely handle BF4 at 1440p ultra and 60 fps. Mind posting your build?

I reused my case, PSU, and hard drives.  I'm running an i5 and a 7970.  I was getting around 80fps in the BF4 beta before I downloaded the AMD beta drivers, which were actually worse than what I already had.  I just played some BF3 on ultra the night before last and got a steady 60fps while recording with Dxtory.  I play at 1920x1200.


That is weird. My friend has a 7970 and averages around 55 fps on 1080p ultra 4xMSAA with the beta. I was surprised it couldn't average 60fps without turning down the texture filtering since I'd expect more out of a $300 video card. I'm guessing it will be like the BF3 beta though and the final version will run better.
 
2013-10-18 02:01:15 PM  
The new console generation isn't even out yet and they already can't play current games!

Battlefield 4 is rendered at 720p on the new consoles and upscaled. Already. So that means Frostbite 3 games will never even run at 1080p.

Meanwhile, PCs are running BF4 @4k with max detail. the next 5-7 years is going to suck for console gamers.
 
2013-10-18 02:04:13 PM  

madgonad: The new console generation isn't even out yet and they already can't play current games!

Battlefield 4 is rendered at 720p on the new consoles and upscaled. Already. So that means Frostbite 3 games will never even run at 1080p.

Meanwhile, PCs are running BF4 @4k with max detail. the next 5-7 years is going to suck for console gamers.


720p on xbox one 900p on ps4.

The only PCs running BF4 at 4k cost over $4,000 unless you mean running it in slideshow mode.
 
2013-10-18 02:11:24 PM  

Summer Glau's Love Slave: frepnog: gingerjet: frepnog: Don't be stupid.  The world is ready, nay, BEGGING for something new.  This console generation has stretched on FAR too long, and the new Xbox is neck and neck with pre-orders with the PS4 - brand loyalty is BIG in America.  Xbox ONE will do just fine.  With the news that the Xbox ONE will not require the Kinect to be attached, it will do nothing but sell and sell well.  All MS needs is a few big exclusives (or a HALO 5 announcement) and the thing will fly off the shelves.  Christmas this year will be interesting, at least.

So I'm curious what you do as an employee for Microsoft?

I don't work for MS.  I am not shilling for the Xbox ONe.  I am simply stating facts - that the world is ready for something new, there are two new consoles coming out, and one of them has a large market share already, die hard fans, and lots of people that are going to pony up day of launch and take one home.  This next-gen race will be neck and neck.  The price difference MIGHT get some Xbox fans onboard with PS4, but fact is that people will play what their friends have, and I already know TONS of people that are basically tied to Xbox LIVE with a group of friends that are in that same category, and are absolutely sticking with MS.  Sony will do fine, I don't for one minute believe that MS is going to trounce them, but by the same token, anyone that thinks Sony is going to destroy the Xbox ONE are deluding themselves.

I nominate frepnog for "Shill Of The Year."

/All opposed?


Seconded!
 
2013-10-18 02:14:09 PM  

Carth: madgonad: The new console generation isn't even out yet and they already can't play current games!

Battlefield 4 is rendered at 720p on the new consoles and upscaled. Already. So that means Frostbite 3 games will never even run at 1080p.

Meanwhile, PCs are running BF4 @4k with max detail. the next 5-7 years is going to suck for console gamers.

720p on xbox one 900p on ps4.

The only PCs running BF4 at 4k cost over $4,000 unless you mean running it in slideshow mode.


Uhm, no.
Sony already admittted 720p.
And a pair of Titans will run BF4 smoothly on THREE 4k displays! It appears that $400 is the price for a GPU that can play Frostbite3 @60 and @4k.
 
2013-10-18 02:16:09 PM  

Carth: Well I use Mac/Linux...: Carth: Well I use Mac/Linux...: I just built a PC for $700 that will be able to run BF4 and The Witcher 3 on Ultra.  Conslols.

You must have reused a lot of parts or not care about resolution/fps. Even my 7990 can barely handle BF4 at 1440p ultra and 60 fps. Mind posting your build?

I reused my case, PSU, and hard drives.  I'm running an i5 and a 7970.  I was getting around 80fps in the BF4 beta before I downloaded the AMD beta drivers, which were actually worse than what I already had.  I just played some BF3 on ultra the night before last and got a steady 60fps while recording with Dxtory.  I play at 1920x1200.

That is weird. My friend has a 7970 and averages around 55 fps on 1080p ultra 4xMSAA with the beta. I was surprised it couldn't average 60fps without turning down the texture filtering since I'd expect more out of a $300 video card. I'm guessing it will be like the BF3 beta though and the final version will run better.


That's not all that surprising, considering that I saw several people on the forums with rigs almost identical to mine complaining they were only getting 20fps.  Like you said though, it's a beta.  Lets be real here.  BF4 doesn't look THAT much better than BF3.  There's a little more destruction going on, though.  But if I can get 100+ FPS on BF3, there's no reason to think I won't get 60 on BF4.
 
2013-10-18 02:35:28 PM  
SigilBear:

frepnog: I don't work for MS.  I am not shilling for the Xbox ONe.  I am simply stating facts - that the world is ready for something new, there are two new consoles coming out, and one of them has a large market share already, die hard fans, and lots of people that are going to pony up day of launch and take one home.  This next-gen race will be neck and neck.  The price difference MIGHT get some Xbox fans onboard with PS4, but fact is that people will play what their friends have, and I already know TONS of people that are basically tied to Xbox LIVE with a group of friends that are in that same category, and are absolutely sticking with MS.  Sony will do fine, I don't for one minute believe that MS is going to trounce them, but by the same token, anyone that thinks Sony is going to destroy the Xbox ONE are deluding themselves.

I nominate frepnog for "Shill Of The Year."

/All opposed?

Seconded!


What is inaccurate or 'shilling' about his comments?  I'm honestly curious.   Not only is he not saying anything inaccurate or wildly praising of the new Xbox, he's not even bashing Sony.  His entire comments boil down to "Both consoles are going to do well."  How outrageous!

I mean honest to Christ, making the statement: "Sony will do fine, I don't for one minute believe that MS is going to trounce them, but by the same token, anyone that thinks Sony is going to destroy the Xbox ONE are deluding themselves."now makes someone a shill?

"LOL, YOU DIDN'T SAY, "*insert console of choice handed down by god and crafted by angels* IS GOING TO WTFBBQPWN *insert console made by satan that only retards and homos will use*!"  SHILL!!!
 
rpm
2013-10-18 02:37:16 PM  

spidermann: This console generation the only game I feel I missed out on was Alan Wake for the 360 but it wasn't worth buying another 360 for one game after having sold the 360 we never touched and I don't really feel all that broken up about it.


Did you say Alan Wake?
 
2013-10-18 02:37:59 PM  

Well I use Mac/Linux...: olapbill: Well I use Mac/Linux...: rpm: Well I use Mac/Linux...: rpm: Well I use Mac/Linux...: I just built a PC for $700 that will be able to run BF4 and The Witcher 3 on Ultra.  Conslols.

How well does it run Red Dead Redemption? Inquiring minds want to know.

It doesn't.  My PS3 runs it fine, though.  What else you got?

So you're saying they're not Conslols, since you actually see a purpose to them. Or are you a hipster using it ironically?

Consoles are fine as secondary gaming machines.  Just as you wouldn't take anyone who used a Vita or a 3DS as their main system seriously, I cannot take anyone whose main system is a console seriously.  Consoles are for great exclusives that you cannot play on the PC, like RDR.  Conslols are for Skyrim and BF3.

cool.  that's enough derp in one post to give you a "don't take seriously about jack shiat color"

Does the truth hurt?


I don't take men with the name "Danny" seriously. That is a kid's name. Are you having a sleep over with Davey, Timmy and Joey tonight?
 
2013-10-18 02:40:12 PM  

madgonad: Carth: madgonad: The new console generation isn't even out yet and they already can't play current games!

Battlefield 4 is rendered at 720p on the new consoles and upscaled. Already. So that means Frostbite 3 games will never even run at 1080p.

Meanwhile, PCs are running BF4 @4k with max detail. the next 5-7 years is going to suck for console gamers.

720p on xbox one 900p on ps4.

The only PCs running BF4 at 4k cost over $4,000 unless you mean running it in slideshow mode.

Uhm, no.
Sony already admittted 720p.
And a pair of Titans will run BF4 smoothly on THREE 4k displays! It appears that $400 is the price for a GPU that can play Frostbite3 @60 and @4k.


Dice confirms 900p for PS4 720p for xbox one

Battlefield 4 take 4 titans to run at 4k resolution.It was a stable 30fps.
 
2013-10-18 02:41:15 PM  

Shrugging Atlas: What is inaccurate or 'shilling' about his comments? I'm honestly curious. Not only is he not saying anything inaccurate or wildly praising of the new Xbox, he's not even bashing Sony. His entire comments boil down to "Both consoles are going to do well." How outrageous!


fark is anti-Xbox ONE.  Anyone that doesn't claim that it is a blight that causes cancer and rectal warts is a shill.  Fact is that BOTH new consoles are so close in design, that there is a hill of beans difference between them, save exclusives, which are less and less meaningful as so many developers MUST develop for both to have any hope of turning a profit.

Kinect is a non-issue, just like Sony's MOVE.
"Always on" is a non-issue for both machines.
Rented, used, or borrowed games are non-issues for both machines.
mulitplayer is a non-issue for both machines, since both will charge you money for the privilege.

Some shill.
 
rpm
2013-10-18 02:45:56 PM  

frepnog: Kinect is a non-issue, just like Sony's MOVE.


Unlike you, I'd rather spend $100 on games for the system rather than on something I won't use.
 
2013-10-18 02:52:01 PM  

rpm: spidermann: This console generation the only game I feel I missed out on was Alan Wake for the 360 but it wasn't worth buying another 360 for one game after having sold the 360 we never touched and I don't really feel all that broken up about it.

Did you say Alan Wake?


I don't game on my computer.

I know that's tantamount to treason around gaming threads but I taught myself early on that

computer=work
console=fun

and I've kept it that way ever since.
 
2013-10-18 02:52:57 PM  

rpm: frepnog: Kinect is a non-issue, just like Sony's MOVE.

Unlike you, I'd rather spend $100 on games for the system rather than on something I won't use.


I would rather MS not include it, but I understand why they are.  If they include it, dev's will be more likely to USE the thing.

And this is the start of a new generation.  Don't be so quick to discount the Kinect, if dev's can finally figure something out worthwhile.
 
2013-10-18 02:55:17 PM  

frepnog: And this is the start of a new generation. Don't be so quick to discount the Kinect, if dev's can finally figure something out worthwhile.


So what you're saying is it will be Beta tested in the Future!


i0.wp.com

I kid i kid.
 
2013-10-18 02:57:24 PM  

Carth: frepnog: And this is the start of a new generation. Don't be so quick to discount the Kinect, if dev's can finally figure something out worthwhile.

So what you're saying is it will be Beta tested in the Future!


[i0.wp.com image 620x600]

I kid i kid.


i personally think Kinect is a good idea with no implementation.  If the next gen uses it for nothing more than dance games and other useless crap, well, XBOX FIVEL will finally ditch it.
 
rpm
2013-10-18 02:57:47 PM  

spidermann: rpm: spidermann: This console generation the only game I feel I missed out on was Alan Wake for the 360 but it wasn't worth buying another 360 for one game after having sold the 360 we never touched and I don't really feel all that broken up about it.

Did you say Alan Wake?

I don't game on my computer.

I know that's tantamount to treason around gaming threads but I taught myself early on that

computer=work
console=fun

and I've kept it that way ever since.


Nah, I completely understand that. Gaming for me on the computer is fairly incidental. I've got a metric buttload of games installed, but I don't seem to ever play them there. I drift away from a game on the computer a lot faster than I do a game on the console.
 
rpm
2013-10-18 02:59:52 PM  

frepnog: And this is the start of a new generation.  Don't be so quick to discount the Kinect, if dev's can finally figure something out worthwhile.


I'm not so sure that will happen. Definitely not before there's a serious price drop anyway.

Ryse was originally 100% Kinect, now Kinect is optional. Ditto that dragon game whose title is slipping my mind.
 
2013-10-18 03:06:11 PM  

rpm: frepnog: And this is the start of a new generation.  Don't be so quick to discount the Kinect, if dev's can finally figure something out worthwhile.

I'm not so sure that will happen. Definitely not before there's a serious price drop anyway.

Ryse was originally 100% Kinect, now Kinect is optional. Ditto that dragon game whose title is slipping my mind.


Yeah.  As I said, Kinect is a non issue.  Not really sure why they even push it considering how much was NOT done with it on 360.  Yes, it sold well, but most people that bought one never use the damn thing.  That just shows you how ready people were for something NEW.
 
2013-10-18 03:18:10 PM  

rpm: frepnog: Kinect is a non-issue, just like Sony's MOVE.

Unlike you, I'd rather spend $100 on games for the system rather than on something I won't use.


Different strokes, but I can't see $100 (or a couple games if you buy them used/on sale in your example) being the thing that just forces many people to skip out on a new xbox or flip to a play station...which of course operates on the premise people are only buying one or the other. 

I'd personally prefer they leave it out and drop a $100 from the price like Sony did with the Move, but for me I can't say saving $100 is worth walking away from all the friends (online or real world) I have that are getting a new xbox.  I considered it--even still have the PS4 (and a One) preordered on Amazon--but once MS got their shiat together and walked back or clarified some of the policies I didn't like I stuck with the xbox.
 
2013-10-18 03:25:58 PM  

Shrugging Atlas: I'd personally prefer they leave it out and drop a $100 from the price like Sony did with the Move, but for me I can't say saving $100 is worth walking away from all the friends


I have said this before - if 100 bucks keeps you from purchasing a new console at launch, considering that buying a console at launch will set you back between 500-1000 bucks depending on what games\peripherals you buy, then you probably have no business buying one at launch.

Don't roll in broke.  Gaming ain't cheap.
 
2013-10-18 03:37:27 PM  

Summer Glau's Love Slave: frepnog: gingerjet: frepnog: Don't be stupid.  The world is ready, nay, BEGGING for something new.  This console generation has stretched on FAR too long, and the new Xbox is neck and neck with pre-orders with the PS4 - brand loyalty is BIG in America.  Xbox ONE will do just fine.  With the news that the Xbox ONE will not require the Kinect to be attached, it will do nothing but sell and sell well.  All MS needs is a few big exclusives (or a HALO 5 announcement) and the thing will fly off the shelves.  Christmas this year will be interesting, at least.

So I'm curious what you do as an employee for Microsoft?

I don't work for MS.  I am not shilling for the Xbox ONe.  I am simply stating facts - that the world is ready for something new, there are two new consoles coming out, and one of them has a large market share already, die hard fans, and lots of people that are going to pony up day of launch and take one home.  This next-gen race will be neck and neck.  The price difference MIGHT get some Xbox fans onboard with PS4, but fact is that people will play what their friends have, and I already know TONS of people that are basically tied to Xbox LIVE with a group of friends that are in that same category, and are absolutely sticking with MS.  Sony will do fine, I don't for one minute believe that MS is going to trounce them, but by the same token, anyone that thinks Sony is going to destroy the Xbox ONE are deluding themselves.

I nominate frepnog for "Shill Of The Year."



AYE!



He is the very model of a modern Shiller-General,
He has information vegetable, animal, and Xboxical,
He knows the the PS4 is a tool of the Devil,
From Marathon to Waterloo, in order categorical;
He's well acquainted too with matters Microsoftical,
He understands equations, both the simple and and quadratical,
About console theorem he is Gates' foremost shill--
With many cheerful facts about how the Xbone cures all ills!


/Try the veal.
 
2013-10-18 04:26:35 PM  

frepnog: Shrugging Atlas: What is inaccurate or 'shilling' about his comments? I'm honestly curious. Not only is he not saying anything inaccurate or wildly praising of the new Xbox, he's not even bashing Sony. His entire comments boil down to "Both consoles are going to do well." How outrageous!

fark is anti-Xbox ONE.  Anyone that doesn't claim that it is a blight that causes cancer and rectal warts is a shill.  Fact is that BOTH new consoles are so close in design, that there is a hill of beans difference between them, save exclusives, which are less and less meaningful as so many developers MUST develop for both to have any hope of turning a profit.

Kinect is a non-issue, just like Sony's MOVE.
"Always on" is a non-issue for both machines.
Rented, used, or borrowed games are non-issues for both machines.
mulitplayer is a non-issue for both machines, since both will charge you money for the privilege.

Some shill.


Uh, no. You've simply hand waved the xbox flaws, while hand waving everything you don't like, and brig aggressive about saying 'no, it's the same' and other fanboy or shill lines.

No, I'm not going to line by line action item your shilling. I'm sorry. I have better things to do, so go ahead and make the inevitable 'deep can't refute derp' comment.
 
2013-10-18 05:01:47 PM  
I'm going to get an Xbox One just to piss off Fark, ironically.

Brand loyalty and patriotism, biatches!
 
2013-10-18 05:13:24 PM  

AKA Joker: Carth:
If Xbox One is drastically outsold this holiday season I expect a $349 kinectless SKU around Titanfall's launch.

Unless the new management decides to take a different direction I doubt we will see a kinect-less sku period.  Its not impossible, especially if they get blown away by PS4 but they want voice and body motion commands to be what sets them apart.  If developers are going to implement those features they need a very high install base to warrant spending that extra cash.  Plus, Titanfall uses Kinect.


...and if nobody gives a shiat about those features...why would devs bother, in spite of the user base?
 
2013-10-18 05:55:58 PM  
I'd like a screw, please!

I used to like games and gaming, but I got disenfranchised by the push for first person and third person 3D shooting type games, and shovelware.

Recently, though, I've found some pretty cool platformers that have gotten me back into the game, pun intended.  It makes me sad to see so many crappy games that rely on graphical prowess rather than any semblance of good and fun gameplay.
 
2013-10-18 06:48:24 PM  

AmazinTim: I'll probably pick up a PS3 either Black Friday or early 2014 after the price drops so I can play the Naughty Dog games for cheap.

Then I'll likely get an Xbone after the initial launch issues that plague consoles get ironed out. I think the offloading of processing to cloud servers is a great, forward-thinking move that can enable developers to create unique experiences. Free servers incentivizes that as well. Beyond that, there's no compelling reason for me to sway toward either console.

For me it comes down to if the game I like are there, if my friends are there, if the controller and UI is something I can tolerate using for hours on end, and then all the other media stuff is separate. I don't have any friends on PlayStation (or planning on moving there), I despise the feel of the PS controller, and their exclusives outside of Naughty Dog are of no interest to me.


According to a leaked GameStop ad for Black Friday, they're going to have a 250 GB PS3 bundle with Last Of Us and Batman: Arkham Origins for $199! See for yourself: Link
 
2013-10-18 06:53:36 PM  

frepnog: Shrugging Atlas: I'd personally prefer they leave it out and drop a $100 from the price like Sony did with the Move, but for me I can't say saving $100 is worth walking away from all the friends

I have said this before - if 100 bucks keeps you from purchasing a new console at launch, considering that buying a console at launch will set you back between 500-1000 bucks depending on what games\peripherals you buy, then you probably have no business buying one at launch.

Don't roll in broke.  Gaming ain't cheap.


$100 is a big deal. I'd rather spend $500 on a PS4, and 2 new games, rather than just dropping $500 and getting a XB1 with no games to play on it.
 
2013-10-18 07:20:25 PM  
This thread needs more PC master race people. Not enough trolling.
 
2013-10-18 07:44:24 PM  

MrHappyRotter: I'd like a screw, please!

I used to like games and gaming, but I got disenfranchised by the push for first person and third person 3D shooting type games, and shovelware.

Recently, though, I've found some pretty cool platformers that have gotten me back into the game, pun intended.  It makes me sad to see so many crappy games that rely on graphical prowess rather than any semblance of good and fun gameplay.


What you're going to want is the XBLA (Xbox Live Arcade) and whatever the PSN equivalent is, or if you're a PC/Linux/Phone gamer, the humble bundle, humble indy bundle, and Steam's various indy/platform/etc. sections.

FuryOfFirestorm: frepnog: Shrugging Atlas: I'd personally prefer they leave it out and drop a $100 from the price like Sony did with the Move, but for me I can't say saving $100 is worth walking away from all the friends

I have said this before - if 100 bucks keeps you from purchasing a new console at launch, considering that buying a console at launch will set you back between 500-1000 bucks depending on what games\peripherals you buy, then you probably have no business buying one at launch.

Don't roll in broke.  Gaming ain't cheap.

$100 is a big deal. I'd rather spend $500 on a PS4, and 2 new games, rather than just dropping $500 and getting a XB1 with no games to play on it.


100$ isn't going to get you 2 games. It's going to get you 1, with enough cash left over for a pizza. Bear in mind there won't be a used market for a while, even if we assume they don't jack up the price of new games like they really, really, want to do. It's not going to hit release, but I can't honestly see them NOT raising price to 70+ USD a year or two after release.
 
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2013-10-18 07:53:00 PM  

kroonermanblack: 100$ isn't going to get you 2 games. It's going to get you 1, with enough cash left over for a pizza.


You forget about PSN. There are lots of games for <$40.
 
2013-10-18 08:25:00 PM  

amundb: This thread needs more PC master race people. Not enough trolling.




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My Skyrim character Shaevyn Bearhearth ridin' a bear looking out across the northern coast of Skryim at 5760x1080p obliges.
 
2013-10-18 09:57:11 PM  

frepnog:  Or do you just ENJOY mindless grinding, senseless stories, games on firm rails and work\dating sims?


You forgot dialogue like this:

Person 1: ...
Person 2: ...
Person 1: ...
Person 2: ...!
Person 1: ...
Person 2: ...
Person 1: ...
Person 2: ...
 
2013-10-18 10:02:32 PM  

olapbill: cool.  that's enough derp in one post to give you a "don't take seriously about jack shiat color"


That is kind compared to my tag for him from a couple of weeks ago.
 
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