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2013-10-18 09:31:42 AM
dev kit. doesn't mean production models will.
 
2013-10-18 09:34:49 AM

olapbill: dev kit. doesn't mean production models will.


Over in one
 
2013-10-18 09:39:29 AM
Sony won't drop their prices until Microsoft drops theirs to below the PS4. They've already undercut the Xbox One by $100. There won't be any price breaks on the PS4 for a while.
 
2013-10-18 09:48:26 AM

scottydoesntknow: Sony won't drop their prices until Microsoft drops theirs to below the PS4. They've already undercut the Xbox One by $100. There won't be any price breaks on the PS4 for a while.


If Xbox One is drastically outsold this holiday season I expect a $349 kinectless SKU around Titanfall's launch.
 
2013-10-18 10:01:41 AM

Carth: If Xbox One is drastically outsold this holiday season I expect a $349 kinectless SKU around Titanfall's launch.


Even then, they can keep it.

Microsoft is dicking over every hardcore player who bought an expensive Fanatec wheel.  The new XBone wheels are more expensive and don't have anywhere near the important features of the Fanatec.  Plus, they are made by absolutely shiat manufacturers.
 
2013-10-18 10:03:19 AM
Carth:
If Xbox One is drastically outsold this holiday season I expect a $349 kinectless SKU around Titanfall's launch.

Unless the new management decides to take a different direction I doubt we will see a kinect-less sku period.  Its not impossible, especially if they get blown away by PS4 but they want voice and body motion commands to be what sets them apart.  If developers are going to implement those features they need a very high install base to warrant spending that extra cash.  Plus, Titanfall uses Kinect.
 
2013-10-18 10:14:22 AM
That's just screwy.
 
2013-10-18 10:15:36 AM

AKA Joker: Plus, Titanfall uses Kinect.


Titanfall is going to be on Xbox 360 and PC as well. It probably uses kinect the way BF4 does.

Glitchwerks: Carth: If Xbox One is drastically outsold this holiday season I expect a $349 kinectless SKU around Titanfall's launch.

Even then, they can keep it.

Microsoft is dicking over every hardcore player who bought an expensive Fanatec wheel.  The new XBone wheels are more expensive and don't have anywhere near the important features of the Fanatec.  Plus, they are made by absolutely shiat manufacturers.


The PS4 is in the same situation right? I don't play racing games but I remember people complaining about wheel support before driveclub was delayed.
 
2013-10-18 10:15:38 AM

Carth: scottydoesntknow: Sony won't drop their prices until Microsoft drops theirs to below the PS4. They've already undercut the Xbox One by $100. There won't be any price breaks on the PS4 for a while.

If Xbox One is drastically outsold this holiday season I expect a $349 kinectless SKU around Titanfall's launch.


If? Everything I've read from investors has the Xbox One as the next Saturn.
 
2013-10-18 10:31:06 AM

digistil: Carth: scottydoesntknow: Sony won't drop their prices until Microsoft drops theirs to below the PS4. They've already undercut the Xbox One by $100. There won't be any price breaks on the PS4 for a while.

If Xbox One is drastically outsold this holiday season I expect a $349 kinectless SKU around Titanfall's launch.

If? Everything I've read from investors has the Xbox One as the next Saturn.


Don't be stupid.  The world is ready, nay, BEGGING for something new.  This console generation has stretched on FAR too long, and the new Xbox is neck and neck with pre-orders with the PS4 - brand loyalty is BIG in America.  Xbox ONE will do just fine.  With the news that the Xbox ONE will not require the Kinect to be attached, it will do nothing but sell and sell well.  All MS needs is a few big exclusives (or a HALO 5 announcement) and the thing will fly off the shelves.  Christmas this year will be interesting, at least.

The Wii U is pretty much this generation's Saturn.  Nintendo simply can't educate the populace enough to make sales.
 
2013-10-18 10:39:51 AM

frepnog: digistil: Carth: scottydoesntknow: Sony won't drop their prices until Microsoft drops theirs to below the PS4. They've already undercut the Xbox One by $100. There won't be any price breaks on the PS4 for a while.

If Xbox One is drastically outsold this holiday season I expect a $349 kinectless SKU around Titanfall's launch.

If? Everything I've read from investors has the Xbox One as the next Saturn.

Don't be stupid.  The world is ready, nay, BEGGING for something new.  This console generation has stretched on FAR too long, and the new Xbox is neck and neck with pre-orders with the PS4 - brand loyalty is BIG in America.  Xbox ONE will do just fine.  With the news that the Xbox ONE will not require the Kinect to be attached, it will do nothing but sell and sell well.  All MS needs is a few big exclusives (or a HALO 5 announcement) and the thing will fly off the shelves.  Christmas this year will be interesting, at least.

The Wii U is pretty much this generation's Saturn.  Nintendo simply can't educate the populace enough to make sales.


Its not just that Nintendo is doing bad. They once again added something that the other companies are trying to copy. The Wii introduced motion controls that both Sony and MS copied. Not with the addition of a touch screen, which Sony worked into their standard PS controller and I believe MS has tablet support, they are doing really well. The issue the Wii U has is that people did not realize that it is a completely new system and I do fault Nintendo on that one. There was some confusion on that end. It is also the fault of a lot of 3rd party devs that believe a good game is a game that looks good. A few devs came out and said they would never develop for the Wii because it would be a step backwards due to the graphics and nothing else.
 
2013-10-18 10:39:57 AM
frepnog:

The Wii U is pretty much this generation's Saturn.  Nintendo simply can't educate the populace enough to make sales.

It's not just that they can't educate the public, it's that they oversold the public.. They promised everything but free blowjobs w/ the Wii-U.. It was completely under powered and once you got past a new Mario and Zombi-U the platform was boring as shiat, never mind slow as dirt.  Every single time bad press came out about the Wii-U Satoru Iwata would get on the internet and counter the bad press with bullshiat backpedaling and denial.. Yet.. Nothing ever changed..
 
2013-10-18 10:45:06 AM

styckx: frepnog:

The Wii U is pretty much this generation's Saturn.  Nintendo simply can't educate the populace enough to make sales.

It's not just that they can't educate the public, it's that they oversold the public.. They promised everything but free blowjobs w/ the Wii-U.. It was completely under powered and once you got past a new Mario and Zombi-U the platform was boring as shiat, never mind slow as dirt.  Every single time bad press came out about the Wii-U Satoru Iwata would get on the internet and counter the bad press with bullshiat backpedaling and denial.. Yet.. Nothing ever changed..


Seems that is what MS is also doing when they announced Always Online, Mandatory Kinecks, No Pre own, barrowing or selling of used games and a whole crap ton of BS they did when announcing the X-Box 1.
 
2013-10-18 10:49:36 AM

Carth: The PS4 is in the same situation right? I don't play racing games but I remember people complaining about wheel support before driveclub was delayed.


The PS3 supported Logitech and many other brands.  Pretty anything that had PC support also had PS3 support.  No idea what the case is with the PS4, but I can't imagine them doing something like Microsoft.

Not that it really matters since Sony's racing line up is very poor since PD started putting out crap.
 
2013-10-18 10:54:47 AM

yves0010: Seems that is what MS is also doing when they announced Always Online, Mandatory Kinecks, No Pre own, barrowing or selling of used games and a whole crap ton of BS they did when announcing the X-Box 1.


except -
online not required
borrowing, renting, buying and selling used games are all ok
Kinect does not have to be connected

MS tried to make a connected console, tried to combat piracy, tried to be innovative.  the market balked and MS listened, so now just like with PS4 we will get "more of the same".  And, honestly, that's ok for now, because what we need is MORE POWER.  The current consoles are not only long in the tooth, they are freaking Moses crossing the desert old.
 
2013-10-18 10:56:16 AM
I'm buying whatever console can get the most Japanese games to these shores.
 
2013-10-18 10:59:24 AM

gnosis301: I'm buying whatever console can get the most Japanese games to these shores.


what shores?  USA?  Because that would be PS4, but why exactly?  Japanese game development is at least 10 years behind the west, and more like 15.  Or do you just ENJOY mindless grinding, senseless stories, games on firm rails and work\dating sims?
 
rpm
2013-10-18 11:00:08 AM
The first $100 price drop will be in Brazil, duh.

holyfark, $1850?
 
2013-10-18 11:01:13 AM

gnosis301: I'm buying whatever console can get the most Japanese games to these shores.


But Japanese games are good.  You don't want to be a hardcore gamer, do you?
 
2013-10-18 11:04:32 AM

frepnog: what shores? USA? Because that would be PS4, but why exactly? Japanese game development is at least 10 years behind the west, and more like 15. Or do you just ENJOY mindless grinding, senseless stories, games on firm rails and work\dating sims?


Holy shiat, this is a real post.  Come the fark on, man.  Who farking writes this with a straight face?
 
2013-10-18 11:04:50 AM

Mike_LowELL: gnosis301: I'm buying whatever console can get the most Japanese games to these shores.

But Japanese games are good.  You don't want to be a hardcore gamer, do you?


I'm buying a Alienware Delta Gamma Epsilon Saucer XLLL Glowy-Nyuu-Nyuu 1175 for my ultra hardcorps gaming needs.
 
2013-10-18 11:06:47 AM

gnosis301: Mike_LowELL: gnosis301: I'm buying whatever console can get the most Japanese games to these shores.

But Japanese games are good.  You don't want to be a hardcore gamer, do you?

I'm buying a Alienware Delta Gamma Epsilon Saucer XLLL Glowy-Nyuu-Nyuu 1175 for my ultra hardcorps gaming needs.


Make sure you get it in red so people know it is really fast and can play games.
 
2013-10-18 11:07:10 AM

frepnog: gnosis301: I'm buying whatever console can get the most Japanese games to these shores.

what shores?  USA?  Because that would be PS4, but why exactly?  Japanese game development is at least 10 years behind the west, and more like 15.  Or do you just ENJOY mindless grinding, senseless stories, games on firm rails and work\dating sims?


Now I'm going to buy two of every Japanese game, grind twice as hard in the RPGs, and date twice the amount of lolis in their dating games.
 
2013-10-18 11:07:54 AM

gnosis301: I'm buying a Alienware Delta Gamma Epsilon Saucer XLLL Glowy-Nyuu-Nyuu 1175 for my ultra hardcorps gaming needs.


Make sure to buy the Alienware Gamer Grub Oven.  This way, you'll be able to bake gamer fuel in the time it takes you to play a match in a hardcore game like League of Legends.
 
2013-10-18 11:09:33 AM

Mike_LowELL: frepnog: what shores? USA? Because that would be PS4, but why exactly? Japanese game development is at least 10 years behind the west, and more like 15. Or do you just ENJOY mindless grinding, senseless stories, games on firm rails and work\dating sims?

Holy shiat, this is a real post.  Come the fark on, man.  Who farking writes this with a straight face?


Sensible people?
 
2013-10-18 11:09:55 AM

rpm: The first $100 price drop will be in Brazil, duh.

holyfark, $1850?


That's, like, a brazillian dollars!
 
2013-10-18 11:10:22 AM

Mike_LowELL: gnosis301: I'm buying a Alienware Delta Gamma Epsilon Saucer XLLL Glowy-Nyuu-Nyuu 1175 for my ultra hardcorps gaming needs.

Make sure to buy the Alienware Gamer Grub Oven.  This way, you'll be able to bake gamer fuel in the time it takes you to play a match in a hardcore game like League of Legends.


Does it come in Mega Laser Charred Space Seaman Black?
 
2013-10-18 11:12:37 AM

Mike_LowELL: frepnog: what shores? USA? Because that would be PS4, but why exactly? Japanese game development is at least 10 years behind the west, and more like 15. Or do you just ENJOY mindless grinding, senseless stories, games on firm rails and work\dating sims?

Holy shiat, this is a real post.  Come the fark on, man.  Who farking writes this with a straight face?


not sure what your point is.  everything I said is spot on and valid.  I enjoy the odd Japanese game but let's not pretend that they are not stuck in the past.
 
2013-10-18 11:15:21 AM

frepnog: gnosis301: I'm buying whatever console can get the most Japanese games to these shores.

what shores?  USA?  Because that would be PS4, but why exactly?  Japanese game development is at least 10 years behind the west, and more like 15.  Or do you just ENJOY mindless grinding, senseless stories, games on firm rails and work\dating sims?


Yea who would want to play boring little games like Kingdom Hearts  2.5 and 3, Professor Layton, Disgaea, Persona, Grand Turismo, Final Fantasy or Pokemon.
 
2013-10-18 11:16:03 AM

frepnog: yves0010: Seems that is what MS is also doing when they announced Always Online, Mandatory Kinecks, No Pre own, barrowing or selling of used games and a whole crap ton of BS they did when announcing the X-Box 1.

except -
online not required
borrowing, renting, buying and selling used games are all ok
Kinect does not have to be connected

MS tried to make a connected console, tried to combat piracy, tried to be innovative.  the market balked and MS listened, so now just like with PS4 we will get "more of the same".  And, honestly, that's ok for now, because what we need is MORE POWER.  The current consoles are not only long in the tooth, they are freaking Moses crossing the desert old.


Sorry, but my friends and I barrow each others games. And with the "new" layout of the XBox 1. That concept was thrown out the window. If that layout remained in play, we would no longer be allowed to barrow our friends games which to me, is a really big deal because if they have a game I am interested in, I would barrow it from them and play it. If I liked it, I would go and buy it.

Secondly, that was the whole point of my post. They back peddled out of a ditch they dug. Sorry, but a gaming console should never be "Always Online" and require me to connect to the web to play a single player game. I do travel and I really like bringing my consoles with me. So if I go to a place with no internet connection, that console would just become a paper weight. Kinects should not have to be connected for the system to function, and in light of what the NSA was doing, this provided perfect security risks to any household.
 
2013-10-18 11:20:19 AM

Ned Stark: Sensible people?

frepnog: not sure what your point is. everything I said is spot on and valid. I enjoy the odd Japanese game but let's not pretend that they are not stuck in the past.


Mindless grinding.  Just about any modern versus multiplayer game looking for the Call of Duty audience, also including the free-to-play games which also wall their content.
Senseless stories.  Single-player Western games for the consoles are almost entirely defined as "interactive entertainment", the grand majority of which immediately compare unfavorably to movies or television and have narrative arcs which do nothing to improve their game.
Games on firm rails.  See: Above.
Work sims.  See: Minecraft, and every single game inspired by Minecraft.
Dating sims.  Any game made by BioWare in the last seven years.

Every single thing you're holding against Japanese games is something I would immediately associate with Western games.  And the difference is that, in being "stuck in the past", they're pretty much the only people making games for consoles right now that are actually worth a shiat on a mechanical level.  See: Dark Souls, Vanquish, Metal Gear Rising, Deadly Premonition, Dragon's Dogma, The Wonderful 101, etc.  Scrap The Last of Us and Grand Theft Auto V, and the Japanese are pretty much the only people making games for consoles that are vaguely worth a shiat.  I wish more companies would be "stuck in the past".
 
2013-10-18 11:21:30 AM
Am I missing what subby is saying but is he suggesting that the switching out a customized bolt (whose tooling has already been paid) with a standard would be allow Sony to lower the price $100?
 
2013-10-18 11:21:53 AM

gnosis301: Does it come in Mega Laser Charred Space Seaman Black?


Only two colors: Mountain Dew and Doritos Locos Tacos.  Sorry.
 
2013-10-18 11:22:10 AM

Carth: frepnog: gnosis301: I'm buying whatever console can get the most Japanese games to these shores.

what shores?  USA?  Because that would be PS4, but why exactly?  Japanese game development is at least 10 years behind the west, and more like 15.  Or do you just ENJOY mindless grinding, senseless stories, games on firm rails and work\dating sims?

Yea who would want to play boring little games like Kingdom Hearts  2.5 and 3, Professor Layton, Disgaea, Persona, Grand Turismo, Final Fantasy or Pokemon.


you said nothing that disproves my point.

KH - mindless grinding, senseless stories
Disgea - mindless grinding, senseless story, rails
Persona - mindless grinding, senseless story, rails
FF - stuck so far in the past it can't SEE present day, rails, mindless grinding, senseless stories
Pokemon - Mindless grinding for kids
Grand Turismo - more mindless grinding (good racing, but sweet jesus the grind)
Professor Layton - train your brain clone with adventure trappings (dead genre, trapped in the past)

you were saying?
 
rpm
2013-10-18 11:23:10 AM

yves0010: Sorry, but a gaming console should never be "Always Online" and require me to connect to the web to play a single player game.


This.

If I ever get a One (which is looking pretty damn unlikely), it will never, ever be connected to the net*. Given all the noises MS has made about backtracking why the hell would I want the risk?

* Yeah, I know that to make the one offline capable you need to download a patch. That alone makes it no buy.
 
2013-10-18 11:23:22 AM

frepnog: Carth: frepnog: gnosis301: I'm buying whatever console can get the most Japanese games to these shores.

what shores?  USA?  Because that would be PS4, but why exactly?  Japanese game development is at least 10 years behind the west, and more like 15.  Or do you just ENJOY mindless grinding, senseless stories, games on firm rails and work\dating sims?

Yea who would want to play boring little games like Kingdom Hearts  2.5 and 3, Professor Layton, Disgaea, Persona, Grand Turismo, Final Fantasy or Pokemon.

you said nothing that disproves my point.

KH - mindless grinding, senseless stories
Disgea - mindless grinding, senseless story, rails
Persona - mindless grinding, senseless story, rails
FF - stuck so far in the past it can't SEE present day, rails, mindless grinding, senseless stories
Pokemon - Mindless grinding for kids
Grand Turismo - more mindless grinding (good racing, but sweet jesus the grind)
Professor Layton - train your brain clone with adventure trappings (dead genre, trapped in the past)

you were saying?


Sorry, I thought we were talking about games that were  critical and commercial successes. Not games you like personally. My mistake.
 
2013-10-18 11:24:39 AM

Mike_LowELL: the Japanese are pretty much the only people making games for consoles that are vaguely worth a shiat.


I want some of what you are smoking, because it is obviously some high grade stuff, man.
 
2013-10-18 11:28:06 AM

Carth: frepnog: Carth: frepnog: gnosis301: I'm buying whatever console can get the most Japanese games to these shores.

what shores?  USA?  Because that would be PS4, but why exactly?  Japanese game development is at least 10 years behind the west, and more like 15.  Or do you just ENJOY mindless grinding, senseless stories, games on firm rails and work\dating sims?

Yea who would want to play boring little games like Kingdom Hearts  2.5 and 3, Professor Layton, Disgaea, Persona, Grand Turismo, Final Fantasy or Pokemon.

you said nothing that disproves my point.

KH - mindless grinding, senseless stories
Disgea - mindless grinding, senseless story, rails
Persona - mindless grinding, senseless story, rails
FF - stuck so far in the past it can't SEE present day, rails, mindless grinding, senseless stories
Pokemon - Mindless grinding for kids
Grand Turismo - more mindless grinding (good racing, but sweet jesus the grind)
Professor Layton - train your brain clone with adventure trappings (dead genre, trapped in the past)

you were saying?

Sorry, I thought we were talking about games that were  critical and commercial successes. Not games you like personally. My mistake.


let's here what two of Japan's greatest gaming minds have to say about it.

"This generation has seen the Japanese gaming industry fall further behind the North American and European gaming industries. This is typified with the likes of Pro Evolution Soccer being beaten annually in terms of sales and quality by FIFA, should Japanese developers start to worry?

It doesn't stop there. Most of the best major RPG's, once a Japanese developers speciality, are now made either in Europe or North America. Oblivion, Fable, Fallout, Dragon Age and Mass Effect all now take a huge portion of the RPG market. In terms of raw power, again, Japanese developers are losing their grip. Uncharted, Gears of War and Killzone produce the best graphics on console and they are all made by Western developers. Metal Gear Solid 4 and Gran Turismo 5 are really the only games that can compete.

The problem is that Japanese developers struggle to make games for the modern Western gamer. Final Fantasy XIII was adapted to appeal to the western audience, but was met by lacklustre reviews. Even the attempt at a Gears of War clone that was Quantum Theory ended up being diabolical. Gran Turismo 5, although sold well, failed to move with the times. Its aged menus and GT mode coupled with a poor executed online mode meant that Forza overtook it before Polyphony realised what hit them. Capcom have even let Ninja Theory make their latest Devil May Cry in an attempt to kick-start the series and appeal more to the west.

In an interview with PSM3, Hideo Kojima had this to say when asked about the Japanese gaming industry. "One thing about Japan - and this isn't just games - is that things that are made in Japan are very much targeted at Japan, whether it's games, movies or novels. It's the curse of Japan. My generation is now being exposed to a wide range of influences, that's why what I want to make is a little bit more in tune with what the people in the west would like". He went on to say, "I really like the things that are being made in the west. When I come to shows like E3 and see the announcements and go to Comic-Con, I love all the presentations, so really I've been thinking maybe I was born in the wrong country!"

Recently at GDC, Phil Fish (indie developer, Polytron) openly stated that all Japanese games suck. In another interview with PSM3, Shinji Mikami was asked about this comment. "I hadn't heard about that! To be told that Japanese games suck is a bit harsh, but personally, 80% of the games I play at the moment are not Japanese. Skyrim, Batman... games like that are more interesting to me right now. Japan need to make more good games to make people think otherwise".


Two people that have played major roles in the Japanese gaming industry acknowledge that Japan needs to adapt. They need to make their games more suited for the West to avoid being overshadowed by Western gaming developers. Next gen is around the corner and probably the best time to start a turn around."
 
2013-10-18 11:30:01 AM

Mike_LowELL: gnosis301: I'm buying whatever console can get the most Japanese games to these shores.

But Japanese games are good.  You don't want to be a hardcore gamer, do you?


The Japanese game companies have all dropped the ball this last generation. Yay, another 30 minute cut scene. If any of them could write, it wouldn't only be hair-pulling bad.
 
2013-10-18 11:30:43 AM

rpm: If I ever get a One (which is looking pretty damn unlikely), it will never, ever be connected to the net*. Given all the noises MS has made about backtracking why the hell would I want the risk?

* Yeah, I know that to make the one offline capable you need to download a patch. That alone makes it no buy.


so you never connected a 360 or PS3 or Wii to the internet?  Connectivity is just a fact of life these days; our consoles, computers, telephones, televisions, and even cars are linking to the net.  Time to move on into the present day, my friend.
 
2013-10-18 11:30:47 AM

digistil: Carth: scottydoesntknow: Sony won't drop their prices until Microsoft drops theirs to below the PS4. They've already undercut the Xbox One by $100. There won't be any price breaks on the PS4 for a while.

If Xbox One is drastically outsold this holiday season I expect a $349 kinectless SKU around Titanfall's launch.

If? Everything I've read from investors has the Xbox One as the next Saturn.


I think you're completely incorrect. You're not taking in to account that Xbox One is gambling on expanding their market outside of hardcore gaming. It's a media center. And yes, you and half the people on here have their own homebrew media centers. But that's appealing to the average consumer. plug it in, connect to all kinds of media. Microsoft has been positioning itself well to deal with cloud-based computing, and it will show with this product.

in short:

PS4: Will sell to hardcore PS fans, hardcore gamers who hate Xbox One
Xbox One: Will sell to hardcore Xbox fans, people who want media center
WiiU: Will sell to people with kids 4-12, casual gamers.
 
2013-10-18 11:33:26 AM

frepnog: Don't be stupid.  The world is ready, nay, BEGGING for something new.  This console generation has stretched on FAR too long, and the new Xbox is neck and neck with pre-orders with the PS4 - brand loyalty is BIG in America.  Xbox ONE will do just fine.  With the news that the Xbox ONE will not require the Kinect to be attached, it will do nothing but sell and sell well.  All MS needs is a few big exclusives (or a HALO 5 announcement) and the thing will fly off the shelves.  Christmas this year will be interesting, at least.


So I'm curious what you do as an employee for Microsoft?
 
2013-10-18 11:36:16 AM

frepnog: Two people that have played major roles in the Japanese gaming industry acknowledge that Japan needs to adapt. They need to make their games more suited for the West to avoid being overshadowed by Western gaming developers. Next gen is around the corner and probably the best time to start a turn around."


None of which changes my point that all the games I listed are very well reviewed and sold a ton of copies. Obviously millions of people are playing and enjoying them. It is cool you don't like games coming out of Japan but you shouldn't be surprised that many people do.

I can't stand the mindless running around, grinding and short single player that defines Call of Duty but it sells 10 million plus copies a year so I'm not surprised when I run into someone who enjoys it.

It doesn't matter to me if 90% of games coming out of Japan are crap as long as they still release 10 or so games a year that are great and I want to play. I don't have time to play the hundreds of games they put out each year so I can just pay for the highlights.


I'm more annoyed that more of the developers are moving to handhelds and phones and away from consoles than the quality of games being put out.
 
2013-10-18 11:36:59 AM

Nemo's Brother: The Japanese game companies have all dropped the ball this last generation.


Maybe so, but I'm the kind of person who enjoys Tales of Whatever, Ys, Suikoden, and Harvest Moon.  In the end, I buy what I find fun, not necessarily what pushes the envelope.

/ Speaking of Suikoden:  Yoshiataka Mjurayama, if Keiji Inafune can use Kickstarter to fund a Megaman ripoff, you can do the same for a Suikoden ripoff.
 
rpm
2013-10-18 11:38:48 AM

frepnog: rpm: If I ever get a One (which is looking pretty damn unlikely), it will never, ever be connected to the net*. Given all the noises MS has made about backtracking why the hell would I want the risk?

* Yeah, I know that to make the one offline capable you need to download a patch. That alone makes it no buy.

so you never connected a 360 or PS3 or Wii to the internet?  Connectivity is just a fact of life these days; our consoles, computers, telephones, televisions, and even cars are linking to the net.  Time to move on into the present day, my friend.


Yeah, they are. But given the noises MS has made and is still making about the One, there's is no way in hell I'd connect it to the Internet. I will connect things to the net for my benefit, not theirs.
 
2013-10-18 11:39:22 AM

gingerjet: frepnog: Don't be stupid.  The world is ready, nay, BEGGING for something new.  This console generation has stretched on FAR too long, and the new Xbox is neck and neck with pre-orders with the PS4 - brand loyalty is BIG in America.  Xbox ONE will do just fine.  With the news that the Xbox ONE will not require the Kinect to be attached, it will do nothing but sell and sell well.  All MS needs is a few big exclusives (or a HALO 5 announcement) and the thing will fly off the shelves.  Christmas this year will be interesting, at least.

So I'm curious what you do as an employee for Microsoft?


I don't work for MS.  I am not shilling for the Xbox ONe.  I am simply stating facts - that the world is ready for something new, there are two new consoles coming out, and one of them has a large market share already, die hard fans, and lots of people that are going to pony up day of launch and take one home.  This next-gen race will be neck and neck.  The price difference MIGHT get some Xbox fans onboard with PS4, but fact is that people will play what their friends have, and I already know TONS of people that are basically tied to Xbox LIVE with a group of friends that are in that same category, and are absolutely sticking with MS.  Sony will do fine, I don't for one minute believe that MS is going to trounce them, but by the same token, anyone that thinks Sony is going to destroy the Xbox ONE are deluding themselves.
 
2013-10-18 11:40:33 AM

frepnog: Carth: frepnog: Carth: frepnog: gnosis301: I'm buying whatever console can get the most Japanese games to these shores.

what shores?  USA?  Because that would be PS4, but why exactly?  Japanese game development is at least 10 years behind the west, and more like 15.  Or do you just ENJOY mindless grinding, senseless stories, games on firm rails and work\dating sims?

Yea who would want to play boring little games like Kingdom Hearts  2.5 and 3, Professor Layton, Disgaea, Persona, Grand Turismo, Final Fantasy or Pokemon.

you said nothing that disproves my point.

KH - mindless grinding, senseless stories
Disgea - mindless grinding, senseless story, rails
Persona - mindless grinding, senseless story, rails
FF - stuck so far in the past it can't SEE present day, rails, mindless grinding, senseless stories
Pokemon - Mindless grinding for kids
Grand Turismo - more mindless grinding (good racing, but sweet jesus the grind)
Professor Layton - train your brain clone with adventure trappings (dead genre, trapped in the past)

you were saying?

Sorry, I thought we were talking about games that were  critical and commercial successes. Not games you like personally. My mistake.

let's here what two of Japan's greatest gaming minds have to say about it.

"This generation has seen the Japanese gaming industry fall further behind the North American and European gaming industries. This is typified with the likes of Pro Evolution Soccer being beaten annually in terms of sales and quality by FIFA, should Japanese developers start to worry?

It doesn't stop there. Most of the best major RPG's, once a Japanese developers speciality, are now made either in Europe or North America. Oblivion, Fable, Fallout, Dragon Age and Mass Effect all now take a huge portion of the RPG market. In terms of raw power, again, Japanese developers are losing their grip. Uncharted, Gears of War and Killzone produce the best graphics on console and they are all made by Western developers. Metal Gear Solid ...


Well put.

And you're right if you think about it. The Western Titles have totally demolished Japanese titles with very few exceptions.

Now let me get back to my 3DS Pokemon.
 
2013-10-18 11:45:02 AM

justtray: Now let me get back to my 3DS Pokemon


Is it anyone's fault that the only handhelds that have ever gotten any traction are Japanese?

Or is it true that the iPhone\Android market are seriously breaking the handheld console market, devaluing games to the point where people simply don't get why they should pay 35-45 bucks for games that play very similarly to games they can get for free\99 cents on devices they already own?

Nintendo does well with the gameboy, but that day of dominance is going to end with the mobile phone market moving as it has.
 
2013-10-18 11:49:21 AM

frepnog: I want some of what you are smoking, because it is obviously some high grade stuff, man.


The Japanese have always done traditional action games better.  And to quote something in your other post:

The problem is that Japanese developers struggle to make games for the modern Western gamer.

This is only their problem from a business standpoint.  Japanese developers struggle to make games for the modern Western gamer because their games actually tend to be challenging and well-designed, and you actually have to understand the systems and mechanics in order to be good at them.

Nemo's Brother: The Japanese game companies have all dropped the ball this last generation. Yay, another 30 minute cut scene. If any of them could write, it wouldn't only be hair-pulling bad.


I would consult the list of games that I mentioned above.  After you see them the first time, the cutscenes in those games can be skipped without a hitch.
 
2013-10-18 11:51:32 AM

Mike_LowELL: Japanese developers struggle to make games for the modern Western gamer because their games actually tend to be challenging and well-designed, and you actually have to understand the systems and mechanics in order to be good at them.


oh wow.  so western gamers are just stupid.

0_o
 
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