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(NYPost)   Valerie Jarrett : Obama :: Karl Rove : Bush   (nypost.com) divider line 84
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2013-10-18 11:15:02 AM  
Jarrett is the one who advised Obama "do not cooperate one iota on ObamaCare. Don't given an inch. Let the Republicans stew in their own juice," Klein said.

Is Klein being quoted, or is Jarrett? BAD WRITING
 
2013-10-18 11:16:51 AM  
"The Republicans walked into a trap set up by Valerie Jarrett and President Obama, The Republicans are in an untenable position," he added.

Clown shoes. This article is clown shoes.
 
2013-10-18 11:18:05 AM  
HotWingConspiracy: So it looks like this will emerge as the accepted GOP lore for this incident

http://www.usatoday.com/story/theoval/2013/10/17/karl-rove-says-obam a- set-shutdown-trap/3001009/



Priceless.  Rove: "There's plenty of blame to go around for the chaos in Washington, but at the top of the list is the absence of presidential leadership."

I love it.  Next time I fly, I will verbally assault the flight attendant and make an asshole of myself.  For my defense I will blame the flight crew for not controlling the passengers.
 
2013-10-18 11:18:47 AM  

you are a puppet: Paul Baumer: Stop trying to make Valerie Jarrett happen.  It's not going to happen.  Just like Ayers, and Alinsky, and all the other bogeymen you tried to make happen that didn't happen.

Van Jones! She even has the same initials!

/Ha! You guys didn't even remember that 'scandal' did you


Will we have to refer to her as The Terrorist Valerie Jarrett?
 
2013-10-18 11:20:25 AM  
If Jarret advised Obama that this would blow up in GOP's face, sound like he is surrounding himself with some pretty smart advisers.  So he's got that going for him.
 
2013-10-18 11:20:49 AM  
SlothB77: "It was Jarrett who advised Obama that voters would mostly blame Republicans if the federal government ground to a halt, providing a golden opportunity to swing back control of the House to Democrats in the 2014 mid-term elections, according to Klein."

basically this article admits



No. The word you're looking for is "alleges". Only a similar statement from Obama or Jarrett herself or someone else in the loop who chooses to forego anonymity could be an admission. Anything relying on unnamed sources or hearsay or even speculation is only an allegation. But no matter, perhaps I'm being pedantic. For the sake of argument let's take every statement in tfa at face value.


...two things: Obama and the dems were just as culpable in the shutdown as the republicans, perhaps even more so.  And they would be given a free pass - even though they were culpable, they would not be blamed.  And the media didn't blame them.


Tfa doesn't say anything about culpability for the shutdown. I read the same article and all I saw was discussions about strategy should the shutdown happen. Nothing more. The only possible way you could construe the White House actively making the shutdown happen from what's in tfa is to employ the 'begging the question' fallacy, the unspoken question being "should Obama immediately cave to the Republicans' demands should they hold the government hostage?".

And you pulled "perhaps even more so" out of your own ass.

Confirmation bias is loads of fun and all, but it's never a path to the truth, mmmkay?
 
2013-10-18 11:22:07 AM  

someonelse: Jarrett is the one who advised Obama "do not cooperate one iota on ObamaCare. Don't given an inch. Let the Republicans stew in their own juice," Klein said.

Is Klein being quoted, or is Jarrett? BAD WRITING


This is Klein pretending as if he were Jarrett, I believe.  The exact definition of straw man.  It seems to be popular with republicans.
i.usatoday.net
 
2013-10-18 11:22:40 AM  
It's amazing how fat the GOP and conservatives are to paint themselves are idiots who can't help but cause problems because their parents aren't keeping them in line.
 
2013-10-18 11:23:14 AM  
I'm sorta willing to say that Obama is partly responsible for the Government shut-down provided he gets credit for preventing the next dozen Government shut-downs that will not happen because he took a stand.
 
2013-10-18 11:24:21 AM  

you are a puppet: Paul Baumer: Stop trying to make Valerie Jarrett happen.  It's not going to happen.  Just like Ayers, and Alinsky, and all the other bogeymen you tried to make happen that didn't happen.

Van Jones! She even has the same initials!

/Ha! You guys didn't even remember that 'scandal' did you


Is that the guy who did gay coke with Pedro Guerrero?
 
2013-10-18 11:29:38 AM  

satanorsanta: someonelse: Jarrett is the one who advised Obama "do not cooperate one iota on ObamaCare. Don't given an inch. Let the Republicans stew in their own juice," Klein said.

Is Klein being quoted, or is Jarrett? BAD WRITING

This is Klein pretending as if he were Jarrett, I believe.  The exact definition of straw man.  It seems to be popular with republicans.
[i.usatoday.net image 490x368]


Yah, but it's still a badly written sentence. The quote is floating there in limbo between "Jarrett [...] advised" and "Klein said." It needs to belong squarely to one or the other. That's a separate issue from Klein's straw man construction.
 
2013-10-18 11:30:14 AM  
This is what the GOP thought of the plan beforehand.

"Blocking a government funding bill over ObamaCare is "the dumbest idea I've ever heard..." Sen. Richard Burr R-N.C.

http://thehill.com/video/senate/313673-sen-burr-sen-lees-proposal-to -d efund-obamacare-dumbest-idea-ive-ever-heard

Now it was a clever trap that no one could have seen coming?
 
2013-10-18 11:36:35 AM  

Yakk: This is what the GOP thought of the plan beforehand.

"Blocking a government funding bill over ObamaCare is "the dumbest idea I've ever heard..." Sen. Richard Burr R-N.C.

http://thehill.com/video/senate/313673-sen-burr-sen-lees-proposal-to -d efund-obamacare-dumbest-idea-ive-ever-heard

Now it was a clever trap that no one could have seen coming?



A clever trap orchestrated by an ineffectual empty chair with no leadership skills, no less.
 
2013-10-18 11:50:44 AM  
Sorry but that's some "George Bush has a weather machine" level crazy.
 
2013-10-18 12:02:53 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: So it looks like this will emerge as the accepted GOP lore for this incident

http://www.usatoday.com/story/theoval/2013/10/17/karl-rove-says-obam a- set-shutdown-trap/3001009/


"The GOP had no choice! What, were they supposed to just do their goddamn jobs WITHOUT getting something extra? THAT'S NOT POSSIBLE."

I farking hate these asshats so farking much.
 
2013-10-18 12:05:16 PM  

vernonFL: Dubbed "The Night Stalker"?

Like Richard Ramirez, the serial killer?


filmdope.com

Frowning on your shenanigans.
 
2013-10-18 12:06:57 PM  
 Democrats: Here have some rope

Republican: OMG I hung myself why would you do this to  us you monsters.

Democrats: Would you like some more rope?

Republicans: Sure.
 
2013-10-18 12:08:35 PM  

paygun: Sorry but that's some "George Bush has a weather machine" level crazy.


Wait. That one is real.
 
2013-10-18 12:15:16 PM  
So the new narrative is that the majority of the GOP was dumb enough to fall into a trap? And that once stuck at the bottom of the trap they were dumb enough to continue digging deeper?
 
2013-10-18 12:53:40 PM  

RexTalionis: I'm not saying Ed Klein is a liar, but his previous books belong on the Fantasy Fiction aisle of the Barnes & Noble.


Someone had actually placed a number of right-wing tomes about Obama in our local B&N's fantasy section.
 
2013-10-18 12:55:17 PM  
It's sad and cowardly the way republican beat their chests and drew a line in the sand to force the government to shutdown on their principals... only to see them turn into this giant set of pussies that claim Obama made them do it.

Holy f*ckballs that is some weak sh*t right there.
 
2013-10-18 12:56:34 PM  
2009 to late 2013:  Every bad thing you can think of has been said about Obama, except that he has a political mastermind running the show behind him (because that confuses the narrative that Obama is the worst monster ever).

October 2013, shortly after Obama takes the GOP to the woodshed:  Obama has a political mastermind running the show behind him.

Uh huh.
 
2013-10-18 01:02:00 PM  
"We were too stupid to see that they were tricking us!" doesn't make a good excuse for the spectacular face-plant that was the shutdown.  Might wanna rethink that one.
 
2013-10-18 01:04:38 PM  

SlothB77: It was Jarrett who advised Obama that voters would mostly blame Republicans if the federal government ground to a halt, providing a golden opportunity to swing back control of the House to Democrats in the 2014 mid-term elections, according to Klein.

basically this article admits two things: Obama and the dems were just as culpable in the shutdown as the republicans, perhaps even more so.  And they would be given a free pass - even though they were culpable, they would not be blamed.  And the media didn't blame them.


You spelled "claims" incorrectly.
 
2013-10-18 01:05:36 PM  
c) none of the above, since the proper logical operator should be ;: for "false equivalency"
 
2013-10-18 01:59:07 PM  
No shiat. That's her job.
 
2013-10-18 02:04:04 PM  

Paul Baumer: Stop trying to make Valerie Jarrett happen.  It's not going to happen.  Just like Ayers, and Alinsky, and all the other bogeymen you tried to make happen that didn't happen.


It's classic Projection. Since the Republicans have their puppetmasters in Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rove and Wolfowitz, they immediately presume the Democrats must have their own cabal of diabolical masterminds as well. They've even nominated a financial backer equivalent to the Kock bros. in George Soros.

It doesn't matter to them that most Democrats and liberals have barely even heard of these people (that just proves how dangerous and powerful they are!), this is the narrative the Republicans are pushing.
 
2013-10-18 02:05:33 PM  
I particularly like how they changed strategy midstream. When they were getting bad press for not negotiating they simply say, "We have been negotiationg."

So then they have some negotiations. Republicans offer several deals. Obama rejects them all.
 
2013-10-18 02:16:11 PM  

badhatharry: I particularly like how they changed strategy midstream. When they were getting bad press for not negotiating they simply say, "We have been negotiationg."

So then they have some negotiations. Republicans offer several deals. Obama rejects them all.


Clearly it was the Democrats who are the real culprits.  I just can't understand why no one agrees with us, with us, with us, with us.....
 
2013-10-18 03:02:32 PM  
So some guy who hates Obama makes a bunch of unsubstantiated claims and NY Post runs with it.  Add that one to the no click list.
 
2013-10-18 03:17:28 PM  
Valerie Jarrett and the source code for healthcare.gov?  The GOP certainly has it's finger on the pulse of what Americans want to hear about.
 
2013-10-18 04:16:30 PM  
So despite Republicans SAYING they shut it down, despite Republicans CHEERING they shut it down, despite FOXNews trying to call it a SLIMDOWN like it was something good, they still insist this was a Democrat/Obama op?

Anyone who thinks that can suck the shiat right out of my asshole.
 
2013-10-18 10:54:01 PM  

badhatharry: I particularly like how they changed strategy midstream. When they were getting bad press for not negotiating they simply say, "We have been negotiationg."

So then they have some negotiations. Republicans offer several deals. Obama rejects them all.


The CR they were fighting over WAS negotiated. There was a deal that it would be MUCH smaller than the Democrats wanted, and Boehner wouldn't start a fight about Obamacare. After someone has already gone back on a deal, why would you continue to negotiate with them?

/Funnily enough, the individual mandate they were biatching about? That was ALSO a compromise with Republicans, as the original bill had a true public option.
 
2013-10-19 01:17:21 PM  
President Obama's top adviser Valerie Jarrett was behind a plan to force a showdown with Republicans over ObamaCare as part of a strategy to regain Democratic control of the House next year, claims author Ed Klein.
Klein - who wrote a provocative biography about Obama last year entitled "The Amateur"


Yeah that sound farking legit.
 
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