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(NPR)   Now that American micro-brewers are nearing Peak Hops, there's only one direction left for them to turn: sour   (npr.org) divider line 180
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2013-10-17 11:40:13 PM  
Can't be any worse that this overhopped crap being pushed now. Stop using hops to cover up the blah taste of your lackluster beer. :|
 
2013-10-17 11:46:48 PM  

ElLoco: Can't be any worse that this overhopped crap being pushed now. Stop using hops to cover up the blah taste of your lackluster beer. :|


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2013-10-17 11:48:28 PM  
Sour beers are awesome, I'd love for it to catch on.  I've been on a big Lambic kick for a while, but most places have a very limited selection, and they tend to be very pricey.  More breweries getting in on the action and driving the variety up and the price down is a very good thing.

Maybe Rauchbier will catch on next.
 
2013-10-17 11:52:59 PM  
Chicago pizza and beer snob thread in the same day? Wow. Lots of bait
 
2013-10-18 12:38:27 AM  
Knowing American microbrewers' predilections, their new sours will be engaged in an arms race to see who can make the most acidic, they will be barrel-aged, and they will be sold in tiny, tiny bottles for high, high prices.

Like real balsamic vinegar, only awful.
 
2013-10-18 12:59:02 AM  
www.choosy-beggars.com
 
2013-10-18 01:00:31 AM  
The biatching about overhopped beers is stupid. Yeah, there are a lot of IPAs on the market, they're hot sellers. But just because you can finally taste the hops in your other beers doesn't mean they are overhopped. I go into a brewpub I see maybe two IPAs on tap, the rest are stouts, porters, Imperial stouts and porters, sessions, red ales, amber ales, dark ales, pale ales, hybrids, ESBs, some fruit beer, belgians, bocks, pilsners, and some "training wheels" adjunct lager.

Maybe hops are overdone, but nobody ever explored every which way to use them until fairly recently. And if you don't like hop bombs there are other farking beers to try, stop acting like they don't exist.
 
2013-10-18 01:15:30 AM  

violentsalvation: The biatching about overhopped beers is stupid. Yeah, there are a lot of IPAs on the market, they're hot sellers. But just because you can finally taste the hops in your other beers doesn't mean they are overhopped. I go into a brewpub I see maybe two IPAs on tap, the rest are stouts, porters, Imperial stouts and porters, sessions, red ales, amber ales, dark ales, pale ales, hybrids, ESBs, some fruit beer, belgians, bocks, pilsners, and some "training wheels" adjunct lager.

Maybe hops are overdone, but nobody ever explored every which way to use them until fairly recently. And if you don't like hop bombs there are other farking beers to try, stop acting like they don't exist.


So, you agree. They're overdone.

/it's not biatching when it's the truth.
 
2013-10-18 01:19:11 AM  
I, for one, welcome our new sour overlords.

\\Huge fan of the sours
 
2013-10-18 01:20:05 AM  
For thousands of years brewers have done their best to keep beer from spoiling. Now it's a fashion statement.
 
2013-10-18 01:22:49 AM  

violentsalvation: The biatching about overhopped beers is stupid etc.


I will agree with you that there hasn't been a time in recent history -- perhaps ever -- when we've had such ready access to such an enormous variety of beer styles and varieties.  Even my local supermarket has probably sixty different beers available; fifty years ago, it just would have been cases of whatever swill the closest blue-collar brewery was pissing out.

If talented brewmasters are able to continue expanding the possibilities of the craft as a result of people buying up boorish one-note IPAs that look and smell like Pine-Sol, I guess I can live with that.  Just don't expect me to drink that stuff.
 
2013-10-18 01:23:18 AM  
"Give me a Budwiser." - "I can't, this isn't really a bar." - "It isn't?" - "No, this is a (*snooty voice*) 'Microbrewery'." "Oh really, so why don't you MICROBREW ME UP A BATCH OF FARKING BUDWISERS THEN!"

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2013-10-18 01:23:43 AM  

violentsalvation: The biatching about overhopped beers is stupid. Yeah, there are a lot of IPAs on the market, they're hot sellers. But just because you can finally taste the hops in your other beers doesn't mean they are overhopped. I go into a brewpub I see maybe two IPAs on tap, the rest are stouts, porters, Imperial stouts and porters, sessions, red ales, amber ales, dark ales, pale ales, hybrids, ESBs, some fruit beer, belgians, bocks, pilsners, and some "training wheels" adjunct lager.

Maybe hops are overdone, but nobody ever explored every which way to use them until fairly recently. And if you don't like hop bombs there are other farking beers to try, stop acting like they don't exist.


Shrimp satay, shrimp salad, blackened shrimp, deep-fried shrimp....
 
2013-10-18 01:24:30 AM  
Jester King is doing awesome things with wild yeast farmhouse sours. Their Mad Meg is delicious.
 
2013-10-18 01:25:07 AM  
Can't we turn to rich, full beers? Reds, Ambers, Browns.
 
2013-10-18 01:25:39 AM  
Guinness has been doing this for years (and years).
 
2013-10-18 01:29:12 AM  
Up next (I hope) is smoked beers. Man, LA31's Boucanée is magic. pure farking magical.
 
2013-10-18 01:29:50 AM  
It's not news, it's NPR.
 
2013-10-18 01:30:35 AM  

ElLoco: Can't be any worse that this overhopped crap being pushed now. Stop using hops to cover up the blah taste of your lackluster beer. :|


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2013-10-18 01:32:38 AM  

o_blah: violentsalvation: The biatching about overhopped beers is stupid. Yeah, there are a lot of IPAs on the market, they're hot sellers. But just because you can finally taste the hops in your other beers doesn't mean they are overhopped. I go into a brewpub I see maybe two IPAs on tap, the rest are stouts, porters, Imperial stouts and porters, sessions, red ales, amber ales, dark ales, pale ales, hybrids, ESBs, some fruit beer, belgians, bocks, pilsners, and some "training wheels" adjunct lager.

Maybe hops are overdone, but nobody ever explored every which way to use them until fairly recently. And if you don't like hop bombs there are other farking beers to try, stop acting like they don't exist.

So, you agree. They're overdone.

/it's not biatching when it's the truth.


Overdoing hops in an American style IPA or IIPA is kinda the point. Some find it very tasty, and some don't.
 
2013-10-18 01:33:22 AM  
My beer palate is not very refined.

I'll take a nice amber ale over an IPA any day. I think red ales smell like bug spray. Sours are the worst.

Give me an Alaskan Amber or a Red Hook ESB and I'm happy. On cold winter days, a Pyramid Snowcap. And on hot summer days a Mac and Jack's African Amber.

I've had all kinds of beer and I keep coming back to these standbys. On occasion, an Elysian Loser ale is nice as a changeup, but it's usually hard to come by.
 
2013-10-18 01:34:43 AM  
res.cloudinary.com
 
2013-10-18 01:35:14 AM  
I'd complain about overhopped IPAs but I'd rather just drink any of the umpteen non-hoppy beers that microbrews also make readily available.
 
2013-10-18 01:35:58 AM  

violentsalvation: The biatching about overhopped beers is stupid. Yeah, there are a lot of IPAs on the market, they're hot sellers. But just because you can finally taste the hops in your other beers doesn't mean they are overhopped. I go into a brewpub I see maybe two IPAs on tap, the rest are stouts, porters, Imperial stouts and porters, sessions, red ales, amber ales, dark ales, pale ales, hybrids, ESBs, some fruit beer, belgians, bocks, pilsners, and some "training wheels" adjunct lager.

Maybe hops are overdone, but nobody ever explored every which way to use them until fairly recently. And if you don't like hop bombs there are other farking beers to try, stop acting like they don't exist.


When the beer is greasy, it's overhopped.

/looking at you hopzilla
 
2013-10-18 01:36:39 AM  
Man, I've been ahead on this count. I've been fermenting some Warheads in a solution of sugar beer molasses, brine, and corn steep liquor in a dozen oak barrels buried in the hills of rural East Tennessee for seven years.
 
2013-10-18 01:37:23 AM  
Anyone else here tried Sweetwater's Low RYE der Rye IPA? It's hoppy, but the hoppiness is cut strongly by the more assertive rye flavors and creates a more balanced beer. I'm more of a fan of new and different grains and techniques in addition to new and different hops, than I am to just over hopping.
 
2013-10-18 01:38:03 AM  
Let's drink to our health! Harharhar!
 
2013-10-18 01:38:33 AM  

violentsalvation: Maybe hops are overdone, but nobody ever explored every which way to use them until fairly recently.


What a silly thing to say. There's no real art to hops, they're pretty much the beer equivalent of putting huge amounts of ketchup on everything you eat, which, you will note, is something that's really only acceptable when you're five years old. You can drink whatever you want, and you can listen to Miley Cyrus if you want too, but don't expect me not to sneer.

As for sour beers, I've tried to like them and it just isn't happening, but it's still an improvement over the hop bombs in terms of artistry.
 
2013-10-18 01:39:16 AM  
I don't mind sour, I don't mind IPAs, just please PLEASE don't let your batch go bad and then try to sell it as a seasonal brew. Soapy beer is BAD.
 
2013-10-18 01:41:24 AM  

violentsalvation: The biatching about overhopped beers is stupid. Yeah, there are a lot of IPAs on the market, they're hot sellers. But just because you can finally taste the hops in your other beers doesn't mean they are overhopped. I go into a brewpub I see maybe two IPAs on tap, the rest are stouts, porters, Imperial stouts and porters, sessions, red ales, amber ales, dark ales, pale ales, hybrids, ESBs, some fruit beer, belgians, bocks, pilsners, and some "training wheels" adjunct lager.

Maybe hops are overdone, but nobody ever explored every which way to use them until fairly recently. And if you don't like hop bombs there are other farking beers to try, stop acting like they don't exist.


As someone who is a fan of stouts and porters, but loves a good beer regardless of style... balance is lost in so many microbrewers, and taste is lost on so many people who think they have taste. It's become a dick sucking contest at times all too similar to wine connoisseurs, in that people are splitting hairs whilst smelling their own farts and tasting the same things.

And with that, an overabundance of hops has spread into ALL styles (in some places, it's tough to NOT find an over-hoppy microbrew, whether it be porter or IPA or barleywine or even a flavored ale). The good breweries know how to make flavors that are dependent upon the whole package, not just the hops/flavor enhancers (see: Dogfish Head 90 Minute IPA as a good example of a hoppy enough beer with good balance and finish, something competitors should try to mimic... also, see The Abyss by Deschutes Brewery, some years are better than others, for a lesson in flavor complexity).
 
2013-10-18 01:42:50 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: My beer palate is not very refined... / I've had all kinds of beer...


*DOES NOT COMPUTE*

Seriously, drink more beer. You'll find the refinement eventually.
 
2013-10-18 01:45:17 AM  

ladyfortuna: AverageAmericanGuy: My beer palate is not very refined... / I've had all kinds of beer...

*DOES NOT COMPUTE*

Seriously, drink more beer. You'll find the refinement eventually.


Drinking more isn't the problem any more. It's that I prefer a certain kind of beer and am happy with the selection available to me.

I've had all those other beers. The more I drink them, the more I return to the tried and true.
 
2013-10-18 01:47:24 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: ladyfortuna: AverageAmericanGuy: My beer palate is not very refined... / I've had all kinds of beer...

*DOES NOT COMPUTE*

Seriously, drink more beer. You'll find the refinement eventually.

Drinking more isn't the problem any more. It's that I prefer a certain kind of beer and am happy with the selection available to me.

I've had all those other beers. The more I drink them, the more I return to the tried and true.


Whiskey?
 
2013-10-18 01:49:29 AM  
Incidentally, brewers should take note of the availability of food stuffs and spices, and use other flavorings for beer.

Example (which wasn't particularly great, but I mean, at least they tried):

www.beertutor.com
 
2013-10-18 01:50:32 AM  

The My Little Pony Killer: I don't mind sour, I don't mind IPAs, just please PLEASE don't let your batch go bad and then try to sell it as a seasonal brew. Soapy beer is BAD.


I didn't know Heineken or Corona sold seasonal brews.
 
2013-10-18 01:50:36 AM  

malaktaus: violentsalvation: Maybe hops are overdone, but nobody ever explored every which way to use them until fairly recently.

What a silly thing to say. There's no real art to hops, they're pretty much the beer equivalent of putting huge amounts of ketchup on everything you eat, which, you will note, is something that's really only acceptable when you're five years old. You can drink whatever you want, and you can listen to Miley Cyrus if you want too, but don't expect me not to sneer.

As for sour beers, I've tried to like them and it just isn't happening, but it's still an improvement over the hop bombs in terms of artistry.


That's nonsense. There are dozens of varieties of hops that can be added at varying states of the wort boil, flameout period, and post-fermentation times that all create a unique hop flavor, aroma, and altogether hop character. There are piney, citrus, floral and fruity hop characters being uniquely imparted into the beer at very precise times. There is much more than bitterness happening. I know very well that not everyone likes it or can recognize and appreciate the individual flavors. I think it's a lot like cilantro, to be honest. But there are a lot of other good craft beers for those folks too.
 
2013-10-18 01:52:21 AM  
Thanks for that. I was about to go to sleep and now I'm heading out for a woodchuck and a cigar.
 
2013-10-18 01:52:58 AM  

ElLoco: Can't be any worse that this overhopped crap being pushed now.


Oh, gods, so much this.
 
2013-10-18 01:53:36 AM  
fta Sometimes they'll include a dash of Brettanomyces, a type of wild yeast that makes cherry, mango and pineapple flavors as well as an earthy aroma that some call funky, horsey or leathery.

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2013-10-18 01:58:30 AM  

puffy999: Incidentally, brewers should take note of the availability of food stuffs and spices, and use other flavorings for beer.

Example (which wasn't particularly great, but I mean, at least they tried):

[www.beertutor.com image 201x696]


The one and only pine-type I tried came in a pack of UK/Scotch-regionals (or something) and it made me gag. I'm sure some people can adjust to it but I've accidentally gotten pine things in my mouth enough times while camping that I doubt I'll ever adjust.

The Kelpie ale was good, though.
 
2013-10-18 01:58:50 AM  
Not everyone knows what sour beer is supposed to taste like... this opens up the door to unscrupulous brewers who fancy moving some bad batches of beer. Supposedly that happened at a pub around here.
 
2013-10-18 02:00:41 AM  
6 pack of PBR/genny/narraganset tallboys in brooklyn - $5-7
6 pack of whatever IPA at the bodega - $9-11
4 pack of Six Point tall boys (which are tasty) - $12

Beer is to get you drunk. I occasionally splurge but  as long as it ain't bud light, value over hops.
 
2013-10-18 02:03:47 AM  

malaktaus: violentsalvation: Maybe hops are overdone, but nobody ever explored every which way to use them until fairly recently.

What a silly thing to say. There's no real art to hops, they're pretty much the beer equivalent of putting huge amounts of ketchup on everything you eat, which, you will note, is something that's really only acceptable when you're five years old. You can drink whatever you want, and you can listen to Miley Cyrus if you want too, but don't expect me not to sneer.

As for sour beers, I've tried to like them and it just isn't happening, but it's still an improvement over the hop bombs in terms of artistry.


That's not really true, I mean, it is possible to completely go overboard and blow a beer away with hops, but depending on the style and the flavor profile the brewer is going for, and what you enjoy, there's a pretty big range of acceptable hop levels.

I see hops as more like chile peppers.  They have an assertive flavor, and when used judiciously can do a lot to improve the final product.  At the same time, there's always going to be the crowd that tries to out-man everyone else by gravitating to more and more extreme versions, whether it's ultra-hoppy beers or buying hot sauces that are made with pure capsaicin extract.

Still, there's a big zone in the middle.  What one person thinks is spicy might be bland for someone else, what blows up one persons palate may be just right for someone else.

I bought a six pack of Southern Tier Hop Sun because it was on clearance for $4 even though I usually don't care for wheat beers.  I really like it, and I think part of it is that it's a bit hoppier than most wheat beers, which I usually think are fairly bland.
 
2013-10-18 02:04:23 AM  

malaktaus: violentsalvation: Maybe hops are overdone, but nobody ever explored every which way to use them until fairly recently.

What a silly thing to say. There's no real art to hops, they're pretty much the beer equivalent of putting huge amounts of ketchup on everything you eat, which, you will note, is something that's really only acceptable when you're five years old. You can drink whatever you want, and you can listen to Miley Cyrus if you want too, but don't expect me not to sneer.

As for sour beers, I've tried to like them and it just isn't happening, but it's still an improvement over the hop bombs in terms of artistry.


Bullshiat. There are several different kinds of hops, and they taste as different as the condiments people put on a hot dog. If you don't like hops and don't get it, fine, don't drink them. Suggesting shiat you don't like is a akin to a putting ketchup on everything makes you a clueless douchebag.

What is it about people who don't like things thinking they're the worlds leading expert on things they don't like? Why is Fark so full of people who don't like hops and think it's cool to whine in public about it?  You don't like hoppy beer don't drink it, you are not an expert on beermaking or hops just because you don't like them.
 
2013-10-18 02:07:13 AM  
Subby clearly hasn't tried Supplication by Russian River.
 
2013-10-18 02:07:26 AM  

violentsalvation: That's nonsense. There are dozens of varieties of hops that can be added at varying states of the wort boil, flameout period, and post-fermentation times that all create a unique hop flavor, aroma, and altogether hop character. There are piney, citrus, floral and fruity hop characters being uniquely imparted into the beer at very precise times.


There are all sorts of things you can do with hops, and it makes very damn little difference to the final product when it comes down to it, especially since 90% of the time American microbreweries seem to just throw in a metric farkton of cascade hops and call it a day.
 
2013-10-18 02:10:54 AM  
If you want to try out a very good sour beer, I recommend Lindeman's Cuvee Rene.  It should be available at most big beer shops.

www.beerboxx.com
 
2013-10-18 02:11:53 AM  

puffy999: The My Little Pony Killer: I don't mind sour, I don't mind IPAs, just please PLEASE don't let your batch go bad and then try to sell it as a seasonal brew. Soapy beer is BAD.

I didn't know Heineken or Corona sold seasonal brews.


Corona isn't beer.
 
2013-10-18 02:18:05 AM  

squirrelflavoredyogurt: Bullshiat. There are several different kinds of hops, and they taste as different as the condiments people put on a hot dog. If you don't like hops and don't get it, fine, don't drink them. Suggesting shiat you don't like is a akin to a putting ketchup on everything makes you a clueless douchebag.

What is it about people who don't like things thinking they're the worlds leading expert on things they don't like? Why is Fark so full of people who don't like hops and think it's cool to whine in public about it?  You don't like hoppy beer don't drink it, you are not an expert on beermaking or hops just because you don't like them.


There are several different kinds of hops, and they taste as different as the different kinds of mustard people put on a hot dog, but most of the time that mustard is indistinguishable from French's. As to the rest, I used to be mostly a bourbon drinker, but I started enjoying overhopped beers, and then I grew up and realized there were better things. Why is Fark so full of people who don't like people who don't like hops and think it's cool to whine in public about it and think it's cool to whine in public about it?
 
2013-10-18 02:19:39 AM  
BEER SNOB THREAD!

I love a good lambic as much as the next guy, but I've been hooked on the delicious maltiness of kolsches lately. For you DC/NoVA farkers out there, there's a place in Leesburg called Vintage 50 that makes some farking delicious kolsch. I hear their other varieties are good too, but when I look at the row of taps, I get overwhelmed and end up ordering what I know.

Strangely, that only happens there. I'm usually far more adventurous with my beer.
 
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