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(CBS New York)   Here's a shocker: The biggest control freak in the known universe isn't a fan of Banksy   (newyork.cbslocal.com ) divider line 159
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2013-10-17 08:38:14 PM  

fluffy2097: Giant Clown Shoe: I'm taking it out on these little farks every chance I get.
Giant Clown Shoe: I don't give a rat's ass if what I'm doing is "right".
Giant Clown Shoe: I hope they all fall. I'm deadly serious.
Giant Clown Shoe: until one gets shot in one of my alleys. That would be a farking shame.
Giant Clown Shoe: How much would have to be stolen from you before you were willing to defend your property by taking a life?
Giant Clown Shoe: Under all the the tributes to the now dead "werm" in Chicago people have been adding things like "had a small cock", "liked it in the ass" and "got what he deserved". It warms my heart to see others in the fight the way the transformer warmed his now dead body
Giant Clown Shoe: I'm not claiming any moral high ground... fark that. I'm ready to get in the farking gutter.


Are... Are you a murderer?

/halp. I think we need an adult or a moderator in here or something.


Taggers are basically rapists. They destroy simply to get their jollies off at someone elses expense.
 
2013-10-17 08:39:59 PM  

Korzine: fluffy2097: Giant Clown Shoe: I'm taking it out on these little farks every chance I get.
Giant Clown Shoe: I don't give a rat's ass if what I'm doing is "right".
Giant Clown Shoe: I hope they all fall. I'm deadly serious.
Giant Clown Shoe: until one gets shot in one of my alleys. That would be a farking shame.
Giant Clown Shoe: How much would have to be stolen from you before you were willing to defend your property by taking a life?
Giant Clown Shoe: Under all the the tributes to the now dead "werm" in Chicago people have been adding things like "had a small cock", "liked it in the ass" and "got what he deserved". It warms my heart to see others in the fight the way the transformer warmed his now dead body
Giant Clown Shoe: I'm not claiming any moral high ground... fark that. I'm ready to get in the farking gutter.


Are... Are you a murderer?

/halp. I think we need an adult or a moderator in here or something.

Taggers are basically rapists. They destroy simply to get their jollies off at someone elses expense.


lol, wow.
 
2013-10-17 08:43:09 PM  

69gnarkill69: Giant Clown Shoe: fluffy2097: Giant Clown Shoe: Nope just a property owner sick as fark of little pussies pissing their names onto my garages and buildings in the middle of the night.

I hope they keep doing it just to watch the vein on your forehead throb.

/I bet that's why they keep doing it in fact.

Yes that's why there is poor quality scribble and websites ranking different shiatbirds as "all-city" because it makes property owners mad.  Are you serious?  These are scared little weasels, unable to assert themselves in any way in the daylight so they crawl through alleys at night and mark like a dog.  Then they come back and take pictures like an arsonist at their fire.  They then post it online for the accolades of their subculture peers.  They don't care about me or my property.  And they never will... until one gets shot in one of my alleys.  That would be a farking shame.

This is sh*t and you should be able to legally shoot the dickwads as long as you can videotape them in the act:
[static.ddmcdn.com image 450x298]
This is awesome and brightens up a neighborhood:
[3.bp.blogspot.com image 450x238]
Do you not make a distinction between the two?


Sorry, but both of those look like ass. There is skill and technique in the second one, but it's still a giant shiat stain on a wall. Yes, beige flat looks better than that eyesore.
 
2013-10-17 08:44:01 PM  

Noticeably F.A.T.: doglover: Noticeably F.A.T.: Giant Clown Shoe: We've been compiling addresses of Chicago taggers w/ the help of a few cops. We're going to deface their homes on Halloween... "A TAGGER LIVES HERE" on the garages, doors and cars of the vandals.

What on earth do you think that would accomplish?

I dunno, but tagging tagger's houses with bad graffiti is a fun idea.

Well, sure. I'm just a little curious as to how a person manages to compartmentalize their thoughts enough to not be suffering acute cognitive dissonance from simutaniously thinking "Vandalism is the worst crime ever, enough that I feel the need to patrol the streets as the Krylon Krusader" and "I'mma fark these guys' houses up". Unless of course he's just thinking that breaking the law for some straight-up revenge (not justice, though I'm sure he's thinking that's what it is) is A-Ok, but then that doesn't jive with the apparent attempt to convince everyone that he's some sort of moral crusader. How do you claim that breaking the law is never ok, then brag about your plans to break the law?

/In reality, I'm just wondering how he's going to spin his troll as I don't believe any part of his story.


That was my assesment as well.

Vandalism is a crime, but law enforcement are very faliable and justice is a universal virtue. So I have no trouble with light hearted tit for tat paint wars. It's when you break things or put cilantro I have trouble
 
2013-10-17 08:44:16 PM  

Korzine: Taggers are basically rapists. They destroy simply to get their jollies off at someone elses expense.


Does that mean when you get your house painted, the painter is having consensual sex with your house, while you pay to watch?

Isn't that illegal?
 
2013-10-17 08:47:22 PM  

fluffy2097: Korzine: Taggers are basically rapists. They destroy simply to get their jollies off at someone elses expense.

Does that mean when you get your house painted, the painter is having consensual sex with your house, while you pay to watch?

Isn't that illegal?


Only if you don't film it.
 
2013-10-17 08:48:47 PM  
Korzine:
Only if you don't film it.

...

I... I... I need to go get my camera... and a paint roller...
 
2013-10-17 08:54:34 PM  

kitsuneymg: 69gnarkill69: Giant Clown Shoe: fluffy2097: Giant Clown Shoe: Nope just a property owner sick as fark of little pussies pissing their names onto my garages and buildings in the middle of the night.

I hope they keep doing it just to watch the vein on your forehead throb.

/I bet that's why they keep doing it in fact.

Yes that's why there is poor quality scribble and websites ranking different shiatbirds as "all-city" because it makes property owners mad.  Are you serious?  These are scared little weasels, unable to assert themselves in any way in the daylight so they crawl through alleys at night and mark like a dog.  Then they come back and take pictures like an arsonist at their fire.  They then post it online for the accolades of their subculture peers.  They don't care about me or my property.  And they never will... until one gets shot in one of my alleys.  That would be a farking shame.

This is sh*t and you should be able to legally shoot the dickwads as long as you can videotape them in the act:
[static.ddmcdn.com image 450x298]
This is awesome and brightens up a neighborhood:
[3.bp.blogspot.com image 450x238]
Do you not make a distinction between the two?

Sorry, but both of those look like ass. There is skill and technique in the second one, but it's still a giant shiat stain on a wall. Yes, beige flat looks better than that eyesore.


I get it if you own a building and you do not want it painted.  But there are hundreds of run down and neglected buildings that can benefit from a little artwork in any major city.

This is an abandoned building turned into art:
farm9.staticflickr.com
 
2013-10-17 08:56:17 PM  

dehehn: His art is not an advert for him, it's an advert for his ideas


Still an advert, then.

We get it, you don't like art or beautyvandalism or people who go beyond cultural norms to make a point and have an impactvandalize.

FTFY.

But you keep excusing his crimes because they are pretty.
 
2013-10-17 08:57:59 PM  
Meh, Banksy is ok. If he painted one of my buildings I probably wouldn't be too upset. That said 'taggers' and other useless punks with spray cans are scum.
 
2013-10-17 09:01:29 PM  

Giant Clown Shoe: I don't give a rat's ass if what I'm doing is "right".


Then you have no right to biatch about vandals. If you don't care about doing what's right, why should they?
 
Al!
2013-10-17 09:07:19 PM  

brainiac-dumdum: Art and money are not mutually exclusive. I'm more or less apathetic about Banksy, but I see nothing wrong with an artist making money.


I don't have any problems with anyone using their talents to make money as long as it doesn't infringe on the rights of others.  I don't like vandalism, but that isn't what this is about.  What this is about is Banksy being idolized when he is, in fact, just a poseur.  He disparages and derogates captialism and advertising, yet uses those same ideals to enrich his own life.  He is the opposite of what he preaches.  He's not an artist, he's a salesman and a petty criminal.
 
2013-10-17 09:17:05 PM  

Giant Clown Shoe: Inchoate: Giant Clown Shoe: Agent Smiths Laugh: Giant Clown Shoe: yelling at clouds and licking of boots

God damn, you not only actually think people deserve DEATH for spray-painting walls, you're downright gleeful about it. Listen to yourself, man. You might want to talk to a mental health professional. :(

How much money would you have to spend to repair vandalism before you wished death on the person committing it?

1K? 10K?  50K?  100K?  500K? More?

How many hours of applying acid to brick and covering it with sheeting before you spend an entire day trying to scrub the paint from each crevice with a wire brush before you'd be happy to know the specific person who'd defaced your property would never do it again?

40hrs? 160hrs? 500hrs?

How much would have to be stolen from you before you were willing to defend your property by taking a life?  I've spent the last decade dealing with this on an almost daily basis and I've had enough. 
Enough in time and money and effort and I am glad "werm" won't be ruining anymore of my property.  F him.

It's easy to be a sophisticated lover of urban art when you have no skin in the game.


Radio Shack. Wireless camera, motion sensor lighting. About 159.00. Time to set up. Ten minutes. Phone call to local police. Free. Not stroking out over all your defaced NY property. Priceless. OR Hire someone to clean it up. Either way it seems like taking a step back might be warranted. Fresh perspective and so forth. Additionally my family's ranch is next to a dairy farm. It never occured to me to be super pissed about the smell. Finally, you may want to reconsider going to gang members homes to commit crimes against them regardless of what your dirty cop friends tell you when they are giving you a list of addresses.
 
2013-10-17 09:18:57 PM  

ArcadianRefugee: 69gnarkill69: Clemkadidlefark: Banksy defaces private property. Fark him. Graffiti is for 60 year old squares and so yesterday it makes Britney Spears look current.

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Whatever dude.

And every one of those should have been sprayed over with random squiggles and bathroom-wall insults. After all, like Banksy himself said, "Any advert in a public space that gives you no choice whether you see it or not is yours. It's yours to take, re-arrange and re-use. You can do whatever you like with it. Asking for permission is like asking to keep a rock someone just threw at your head."

His art was an advert for him.

fark Banksy.

nipner: I'm laughing at all the anti-Banksy comments on here. Have you ever been to NYC?? It's riddled with gang graffiti and piss.

Which are also wrong and efforts to get rid of them should also be conducted. Just like with Banksy's graffiti.

nipner: Where's Bloomdouche's outrage at all of the other gang tagging that goes on every day and night?

Oh. I had forgotten that NYC had legalized such vandalism and is no longer attempting to prosecute those who do it or clean up their efforts. Got it.


LOL This thread really makes it easy to find out who some trolls are.
 
2013-10-17 09:23:37 PM  

elementcircle: I love you for this, and especially for attributing it to Pete Seeger. That man is a farking legend when it comes to folk music.


I honestly wasn't sure whether to attribute it to Pete Seeger or Malvina Reynolds, as I've seen it credited to each at different times.

/Pete Seeger fan also!
 
2013-10-17 09:26:04 PM  

69gnarkill69: Giant Clown Shoe: fluffy2097: Giant Clown Shoe: Nope just a property owner sick as fark of little pussies pissing their names onto my garages and buildings in the middle of the night.

I hope they keep doing it just to watch the vein on your forehead throb.

/I bet that's why they keep doing it in fact.

Yes that's why there is poor quality scribble and websites ranking different shiatbirds as "all-city" because it makes property owners mad.  Are you serious?  These are scared little weasels, unable to assert themselves in any way in the daylight so they crawl through alleys at night and mark like a dog.  Then they come back and take pictures like an arsonist at their fire.  They then post it online for the accolades of their subculture peers.  They don't care about me or my property.  And they never will... until one gets shot in one of my alleys.  That would be a farking shame.

This is sh*t and you should be able to legally shoot the dickwads as long as you can videotape them in the act:
[static.ddmcdn.com image 450x298]
This is awesome and brightens up a neighborhood:
[3.bp.blogspot.com image 450x238]
Do you not make a distinction between the two?


Seeing as they both devalue the property in the neighborhood, no, I don't see a difference.
 
2013-10-17 09:28:43 PM  
Banksy is an advertiser.
 
2013-10-17 09:32:42 PM  

69gnarkill69: This is sh*t and you should be able to legally shoot the dickwads as long as you can videotape them in the act:
[static.ddmcdn.com image 450x298]
This is awesome and brightens up a neighborhood:
[3.bp.blogspot.com image 450x238]
Do you not make a distinction between the two?


Entirely subjective.

I don't care for either one.
 
2013-10-17 09:34:00 PM  
Considering the value of Banksy artwork, he paid the fine to the city in the form of a piece of art on a wall worth thousands. He paid it before being fined for painting it. Astonishing!
 
2013-10-17 09:45:35 PM  

ReapTheChaos: 69gnarkill69: Giant Clown Shoe: fluffy2097: Giant Clown Shoe: Nope just a property owner sick as fark of little pussies pissing their names onto my garages and buildings in the middle of the night.

I hope they keep doing it just to watch the vein on your forehead throb.

/I bet that's why they keep doing it in fact.

Yes that's why there is poor quality scribble and websites ranking different shiatbirds as "all-city" because it makes property owners mad.  Are you serious?  These are scared little weasels, unable to assert themselves in any way in the daylight so they crawl through alleys at night and mark like a dog.  Then they come back and take pictures like an arsonist at their fire.  They then post it online for the accolades of their subculture peers.  They don't care about me or my property.  And they never will... until one gets shot in one of my alleys.  That would be a farking shame.

This is sh*t and you should be able to legally shoot the dickwads as long as you can videotape them in the act:
[static.ddmcdn.com image 450x298]
This is awesome and brightens up a neighborhood:
[3.bp.blogspot.com image 450x238]
Do you not make a distinction between the two?

Seeing as they both devalue the property in the neighborhood, no, I don't see a difference.


Hey, I heard from Eunice who heard from Myron that your neighbor's grass is 1/4" higher than regulation and his door isn't an approved color. You might want to go check that out instead of posting in this thread.
 
2013-10-17 10:03:12 PM  

Inchoate: ReapTheChaos: 69gnarkill69: Giant Clown Shoe: fluffy2097: Giant Clown Shoe: Nope just a property owner sick as fark of little pussies pissing their names onto my garages and buildings in the middle of the night.

I hope they keep doing it just to watch the vein on your forehead throb.

/I bet that's why they keep doing it in fact.

Yes that's why there is poor quality scribble and websites ranking different shiatbirds as "all-city" because it makes property owners mad.  Are you serious?  These are scared little weasels, unable to assert themselves in any way in the daylight so they crawl through alleys at night and mark like a dog.  Then they come back and take pictures like an arsonist at their fire.  They then post it online for the accolades of their subculture peers.  They don't care about me or my property.  And they never will... until one gets shot in one of my alleys.  That would be a farking shame.

This is sh*t and you should be able to legally shoot the dickwads as long as you can videotape them in the act:
[static.ddmcdn.com image 450x298]
This is awesome and brightens up a neighborhood:
[3.bp.blogspot.com image 450x238]
Do you not make a distinction between the two?

Seeing as they both devalue the property in the neighborhood, no, I don't see a difference.

Hey, I heard from Eunice who heard from Myron that your neighbor's grass is 1/4" higher than regulation and his door isn't an approved color. You might want to go check that out instead of posting in this thread.


Judging by your reply I'll go out on a limb and assume you've never owned property in your life. With that in mind, there's absolutely no reason I should give a single fark what your opinion on this subject is.
 
2013-10-17 10:11:12 PM  

Inchoate: Hey, I heard from Eunice who heard from Myron that your neighbor's grass is 1/4" higher than regulation and his door isn't an approved color. You might want to go check that out instead of posting in this thread


As a member of a HOA that is currently trying to throw a bunch of drunken, territorial assholes off my childhood summer home, I do kind of get this bullshiat.

/We figure they'll hit a boater or swimmer sooner or later since they boat and jetski while drunk and then we can throw them out.
//I said if they want to put up a fence, it should have to surround their entire property, and be opaque, obscuring their lakefront view.
///Those farkers replaced the nice old cookie lady who lived there.
////They fly fish in the swimming area, while people are swimming too.
 
2013-10-17 10:15:25 PM  
ReapTheChaos: [...] Judging by your reply I'll go out on a limb and assume you've never owned property in your life. With that in mind, there's absolutely no reason I should give a single fark what your opinion on this subject is.

LOL, nice try.
 
2013-10-17 10:15:48 PM  

ManateeGag: Ricardo Klement: I'm generally not a fan of graffiti, but Banksy is an artist in the true meaning of the word.

And he should nevertheless pay for his crimes like anyone else.

B...b...b...but he's not hurting anyone


Let me stop you right there. What is the law in place for if not to protect people? A law that exists to prohibit something that causes no harm is a stupid law and should be ignored on principle. Now, that said, I would consider property damage to be a form of harm so there should be some consequence for this guy.
 
2013-10-17 10:24:44 PM  
Welcome back to that same old place that you laughed about....


images.nycsubway.org
 
2013-10-17 10:48:11 PM  
Uh, the biggest control freak in the known universe is the Padishah Emperor Shaddam IV.
 
2013-10-17 10:58:29 PM  

Giant Clown Shoe:

ironic fark handle
thenypost.files.wordpress.com
Actual Banksy sculpture of Giant Clown Shoes
 
2013-10-17 11:11:48 PM  

doglover: I dunno, but tagging tagger's houses with bad graffiti is a fun idea.


Taggers don't own anything.  They are just thugs.
 
2013-10-17 11:15:55 PM  

Al!: He's a millionaire urbanite who does work for major corporations in order to line his pocket, then furthers his fame through his "anonymous" artwork by pretending to hate those corporations.


Except he got his start doing his anonymous work. He was doing that for years before anyone showed up to work for them. And then when he does work for someone, well it sort of proves his point about how people have no idea about the world around him.

ReapTheChaos: Seeing as they both devalue the property in the neighborhood, no, I don't see a difference.


Only one devalues property.
 
2013-10-17 11:16:54 PM  

WhyteRaven74: him


him = them
 
2013-10-18 12:13:20 AM  
Wouldn't it be cool if he put some fantastic artwork on a car?

Your car, of course.
 
2013-10-18 12:14:13 AM  
"Art is art, and nobody's a bigger supporter of the arts than I am," he added. "I just think there are some places for art, and there are some places (for) no art. And you running up to someone's property or public property and defacing it is not my definition of art."

Holy CRAP! What an unreasonable CONTROL FREAK!!!
 
2013-10-18 12:15:08 AM  

69gnarkill69: Giant Clown Shoe: fluffy2097: Giant Clown Shoe: Nope just a property owner sick as fark of little pussies pissing their names onto my garages and buildings in the middle of the night.

I hope they keep doing it just to watch the vein on your forehead throb.

/I bet that's why they keep doing it in fact.

Yes that's why there is poor quality scribble and websites ranking different shiatbirds as "all-city" because it makes property owners mad.  Are you serious?  These are scared little weasels, unable to assert themselves in any way in the daylight so they crawl through alleys at night and mark like a dog.  Then they come back and take pictures like an arsonist at their fire.  They then post it online for the accolades of their subculture peers.  They don't care about me or my property.  And they never will... until one gets shot in one of my alleys.  That would be a farking shame.

This is sh*t and you should be able to legally shoot the dickwads as long as you can videotape them in the act:
[static.ddmcdn.com image 450x298]
This is awesome and brightens up a neighborhood:
[3.bp.blogspot.com image 450x238]
Do you not make a distinction between the two?


I do.

I also wouldn't have a problem with the stencils on the sidewalk.

But I wouldn't want that beautiful mural on one of my properties without my permission.  On public property I wouldn't touch it.

But the "art" to "tagging" ration is 99 to 1 against.  And frankly if a mural showed up, without hidden meaning, on the alley side of a business property I likely wouldn't paint over it.  If the painter had asked me I'd likely give input and pay for what I envisioned.
 
2013-10-18 12:17:24 AM  

fluffy2097: Are... Are you a murderer?


No. A property owner.  Let me rephrase... an active property owner.  And if I catch someone on my roof, vandalizing my property I will do everything I can to stop them and defend myself.
 
2013-10-18 12:31:35 AM  

Noticeably F.A.T.: Giant Clown Shoe: I don't give a rat's ass if what I'm doing is "right".

Then you have no right to biatch about vandals. If you don't care about doing what's right, why should they?


How many more futile years would you have me spending huge amounts of money and doing incredibly difficult work to repair the damage done by a handful of neighborhood assholes? 

And frankly I don't care an iota what you think about the morality of my behavior.  I'm not trying to win an argument here.  I don't care what you think.  I'm done hoping these farks are going to stop on their own bc the elevated bike rail provided them with miles of blank canvas.  It is interesting.  The vandalism in my neighborhood didn't drop one bit.  I'm not farking Gandhi and I'm not waging a pacifist revolt.  I'm sick of the cost, the effort and the pain in the ass.  Now I'm going to be an active pain in the ass too.  I'm just "expressing myself".  Isn't that the idea.  Expressing yourself in a public forum?

The limp dicks spray painting the garages have gotten their say for more than ten years.  Now I'll have my say.  I'll cover up his shiat, paint all over his home and hope that a group of frustrated property owners get to stomp a mud hole in some fark who has been leaving his name on our properties for years.  This isn't random.  There is no mistaken identity.  They proudly have told us who they are.

fark them.

And if you don't think we have earned the right to hit back fark you too.

Unless you feel another ten years of meeting w/ the police and the alderman is going to result in something other than increased vandalism?  Maybe a social program?
 
2013-10-18 12:38:36 AM  

Por que tan serioso: Radio Shack. Wireless camera, motion sensor lighting. About 159.00. Time to set up. Ten minutes. Phone call to local police. Free. Not stroking out over all your defaced NY property. Priceless. OR Hire someone to clean it up. Either way it seems like taking a step back might be warranted. Fresh perspective and so forth. Additionally my family's ranch is next to a dairy farm. It never occured to me to be super pissed about the smell. Finally, you may want to reconsider going to gang members homes to commit crimes against them regardless of what your dirty cop friends tell you when they are giving you a list of addresses.


They're not dirty cops... they're neighbors and property owners.  They're also sick of their homes being vandalized.

We all already have security cameras.  We all have video of hoodie wearing sawed off farks painting our buildings... if it's gang, sometimes the tac teams are interested but mostly to see who is moving where.  They don't care about our property.  And Chicago detectives can't investigate all the gun crimes properly.  Do you think they're going to put a team of detectives on a property crime?

Stroking out... 10's of thousands of dollars and hundreds of hours of clean-up that almost never is completely repaired.  You can replace it but it will be defaced again.  Do you have any idea what a garage door costs?  Or abatement on brick?

Give advice about something you have experience with... you have no idea what you're talking about.
 
2013-10-18 12:41:06 AM  

JuggleGeek: doglover: I dunno, but tagging tagger's houses with bad graffiti is a fun idea.

Taggers don't own anything.  They are just thugs.


Their parents do...
 
2013-10-18 01:23:12 AM  

WhyteRaven74: ReapTheChaos: Seeing as they both devalue the property in the neighborhood, no, I don't see a difference.

Only one devalues property.


Wrong.
 
2013-10-18 03:05:56 AM  

cman: I wouldn't like it if someone spray-painted my farking property

Treat people as you wish to be treated


Do I want people to randomly make something of mine immensely valuable? YES. YES I DO.

I'm not saying tagging anything that holds still long enough is ok (in fact, I think it's the human version of pissing to mark your territory, except not even usually your actual territory....which makes it extra stupid) - but there's a big difference between tagging and painting something with artistic value. Let alone artistic and *financial* value.

Banksy is no longer committing vandalism, because vandalism /reduces/ the value of property. Not vastly increases it.
 
2013-10-18 07:04:27 AM  
In all honesty I'm curious what those that think I'm absolutely out of my mind would do after more than a decade of serious property damage and cost (both a tn of $ and energy).  Do you think renters want to live in vandalized buildings?  Do businesses want to sign ten year leases when the side of the building is covered in tags? It's clear that "Banksy" is the exception that proves the rule and while some street art is interesting in reality it never increases the value of private property.  What would you do?  Happily scrub away?  Keep writing checks for ineffective cleaning?  Throw up your hands and let your properties and neighborhood devolve into a place that looks like a place many people don't want to live?

I'm really interested in what younger people either amused or outraged at my position would do if it where their responsibility to manage these investments.
 
2013-10-18 07:15:52 AM  

Giant Clown Shoe: Own any property? Didn't think so


Neither do you. Stop paying property taxes or your mortgage and you'll find out real quick who owns what.

Here's a clue: you own debt. That's all.
 
2013-10-18 07:21:34 AM  

Giant Clown Shoe: you have no idea what you're talking about.


Neither do you.

in reality it never increases the value of private property.

Actually in some cases it does.

ReapTheChaos: Wrong.


Given there are people who seek out the people who do the really good work to put on their buildings on purpose? And that many are given sections of walls, sometimes massive sections, to do with as they see fit? I'm right.
 
2013-10-18 08:56:05 AM  

Giant Clown Shoe: fluffy2097: Are... Are you a murderer?

No. A property owner.  Let me rephrase... an active property owner.  And if I catch someone on my roof, vandalizing my property I will do everything I can to stop them and defend myself.


Where do you live?

I'd like to read your local police blotter, so that when you DO go on your little tagging crime spree, or when it is confirmed that foul play was involved in some kid falling off a roof...

Well, now we have you on digital record talking about your motive and intent.

/premeditated crime is the best kind of crime.
 
2013-10-18 09:02:18 AM  

Giant Clown Shoe: I'm really interested in what younger people either amused or outraged at my position would do if it where their responsibility to manage these investments.


Well, first of all, were I in your shoes....

I wouldn't publicly advertise the date of my next crime spree, and make multiple statements about how I want to kill teenagers who live with their parents.

/Not to mention you sure do know a lot about the circumstances around this werm guys death, and you seem quite overjoyed about it.
//Sure seems like you were involved in his death to me.
 
2013-10-18 09:34:46 AM  

Giant Clown Shoe: Noticeably F.A.T.: Giant Clown Shoe: I don't give a rat's ass if what I'm doing is "right".

Then you have no right to biatch about vandals. If you don't care about doing what's right, why should they?

How many more futile years would you have me spending huge amounts of money and doing incredibly difficult work to repair the damage done by a handful of neighborhood assholes? 

And frankly I don't care an iota what you think about the morality of my behavior.  I'm not trying to win an argument here.  I don't care what you think.  I'm done hoping these farks are going to stop on their own bc the elevated bike rail provided them with miles of blank canvas.  It is interesting.  The vandalism in my neighborhood didn't drop one bit.  I'm not farking Gandhi and I'm not waging a pacifist revolt.  I'm sick of the cost, the effort and the pain in the ass.  Now I'm going to be an active pain in the ass too.  I'm just "expressing myself".  Isn't that the idea.  Expressing yourself in a public forum?

The limp dicks spray painting the garages have gotten their say for more than ten years.  Now I'll have my say.  I'll cover up his shiat, paint all over his home and hope that a group of frustrated property owners get to stomp a mud hole in some fark who has been leaving his name on our properties for years.  This isn't random.  There is no mistaken identity.  They proudly have told us who they are.

fark them.

And if you don't think we have earned the right to hit back fark you too.

Unless you feel another ten years of meeting w/ the police and the alderman is going to result in something other than increased vandalism?  Maybe a social program?


Then go shoot them and get it over with. Cleaning it isn't working, working with the police isn't working, vandalizing their property sure as hell won't work, but killing them will and you don't have any morals to slow you down.

Or, keep biatching about and do nothing else.
 
2013-10-18 10:58:32 AM  

Target Builder: Latinwolf: This thread is good for showing who the people who own no property are since property owners would have a problem with this guy defacing someone's property, regardless of his excuse for doing so.

Almost all the people whose houses he's painted something in have been happy with it, either because they sold it for a ton of money or because they liked the piece and kept it.


You got cites for that claim or are you pulling it out of your ases?
 
2013-10-18 11:11:22 AM  

fluffy2097: Sure seems like you were involved in his death to me.


I'm spooked.  Every 5th building on the north and northwest side was tagged by that little fark.  And it was more than well reported.  As for how property owners knew which one of the shiatbirds got fried?  Links to memorial pages, displaying thousands of images of his crimes/ work, in the comment section of every news story.  Not sure why the comments on this story were deleted... likely because there were more than a few property owners not lamenting his death and subsequent threats from his vandal friends. I'm sure if you look hard enough you can find the page where they vote for each other on who is "all-city" for any given year.  It's based on the amount of damage they do.  Meaning they base it on quantity not quality.

http://truenewsusa.blogspot.com/2013/05/chicago-tagger-gets-electric -c hair-19.html 

An angry property owner is sick of his property being destroyed and posted it on the internet?  High priority stuff.  Almost every night the NW side is on RAP (Radio Assignment Pending) that means there are no officers to take any calls at all... zero, none.  Sometimes it's only for a few hours... sometimes it's from 9pm to 8 am.  So go ahead and call the Town Hall desk Sgt and tell him a guy on the internet was happy a tagger fell to his death in May and is planning to repay several taggers by painting their families garages and cars.  That ought to be hoot. 

As for advertizing criminal property damage on the internet, each of these pricks has a webpage showing their work. 

http://flickrhivemind.net/flickr_hvmnd.cgi?search_domain=Tags&textin pu t=graffiti%2Cwerm&search_type=Search+Tags&photo_number=50&photo_type=2 50&sort=Interestingness&page=1&tag_mode=all

I'm sure they've got a team of detectives ready.  It's the future crime division right?  No it's the not sad, in fact happy, a criminal fell to his death division?  No actually it's the reads the local news that's pertinent to you and is able to recall it division?  No wait it's the tax payers sick and tired of criminals running amok while an understaffed police department does it's best top play catch up while officers we had last year are now assigned to "no snitchin" neighborhoods so relatively nice neighborhoods are now soft targets division?

Town Hall District.  Just west of Halsted on Addison.

So to summarize. I'm glad there is one less criminal who for years has damaged my property and taken money from my pocket. I actively cover graffiti and tags in my neighborhood and other neighborhoods on the north, northwest and west sides.  I plan on giving taggers a taste of their own medicine... although the date might now be fluid.  I had a few beers before the Thursday night game and announcing the date might not have been a good idea.  Or maybe I'll just make sure I'm in a business where I know I'm surrounded by friends and on time stamped video when the taggers homes end up getting tagged.  Also I will continue to aggressively fight to preserve my property and neighborhood and will not hesitate to defend myself when doing so.

Still interested in an actual answer to what you would do after more than a decade of constant property damage?
 
2013-10-18 11:13:54 AM  

WhyteRaven74: Giant Clown Shoe: you have no idea what you're talking about.

Neither do you.

in reality it never increases the value of private property.

Actually in some cases it does.

ReapTheChaos: Wrong.

Given there are people who seek out the people who do the really good work to put on their buildings on purpose? And that many are given sections of walls, sometimes massive sections, to do with as they see fit? I'm right.


Except that we're not talking about that here, we're talking about a guy that wants to put his art anywhere regardless of whether or not the property owner approves. All you're doing is making excuses for that.  I don't have a problem with a person putting art on a wall that he has permission to paint on, it's when he does it without the owners permission that it becomes vandalism, regardless of how you attempt to excuse it.
 
2013-10-18 11:14:44 AM  

Korzine: fluffy2097: Giant Clown Shoe: I'm taking it out on these little farks every chance I get.
Giant Clown Shoe: I don't give a rat's ass if what I'm doing is "right".
Giant Clown Shoe: I hope they all fall. I'm deadly serious.
Giant Clown Shoe: until one gets shot in one of my alleys. That would be a farking shame.
Giant Clown Shoe: How much would have to be stolen from you before you were willing to defend your property by taking a life?
Giant Clown Shoe: Under all the the tributes to the now dead "werm" in Chicago people have been adding things like "had a small cock", "liked it in the ass" and "got what he deserved". It warms my heart to see others in the fight the way the transformer warmed his now dead body
Giant Clown Shoe: I'm not claiming any moral high ground... fark that. I'm ready to get in the farking gutter.


Are... Are you a murderer?

/halp. I think we need an adult or a moderator in here or something.

Taggers are basically rapists. They destroy simply to get their jollies off at someone elses expense.


A lot of rape victims would have a problem with that attempted comparison.
 
2013-10-18 11:16:48 AM  

Lipspinach: ArcadianRefugee: 69gnarkill69: Clemkadidlefark: Banksy defaces private property. Fark him. Graffiti is for 60 year old squares and so yesterday it makes Britney Spears look current.

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Whatever dude.

And every one of those should have been sprayed over with random squiggles and bathroom-wall insults. After all, like Banksy himself said, "Any advert in a public space that gives you no choice whether you see it or not is yours. It's yours to take, re-arrange and re-use. You can do whatever you like with it. Asking for permission is like asking to keep a rock someone just threw at your head."

His art was an advert for him.

fark Banksy.

nipner: I'm laughing at all the anti-Banksy comments on here. Have you ever been to NYC?? It's riddled with gang graffiti and piss.

Which are also wrong and efforts to get rid of them should also be conducted. Just like with Banksy's graffiti.

nipner: Where's Bloomdouche's outrage at all of the other gang tagging that goes on every day and night?

Oh. I had forgotten that NYC had legalized such vandalism and is no longer attempting to prosecute those who do it or clean up their efforts. Got it.

LOL This thread really makes it easy to find out who some trolls are.


Amusing how some people throw the troll label at anyone who has a view different from their own.
 
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