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2013-10-17 03:58:52 PM  
I'm generally not a fan of graffiti, but Banksy is an artist in the true meaning of the word.

And he should nevertheless pay for his crimes like anyone else.
 
2013-10-17 04:08:40 PM  

Ricardo Klement: I'm generally not a fan of graffiti, but Banksy is an artist in the true meaning of the word.

And he should nevertheless pay for his crimes like anyone else.


B...b...b...but he's not hurting anyone and it's a stupid law anyway.  we should be able to break laws we don't agree with.
 
2013-10-17 04:42:23 PM  
 
2013-10-17 04:47:04 PM  
I liked the selling Banksy paintings by Central Park thing and the shining Ronald McDonald's shoes in front of Bronx McDonald's thing.

Everyone thought it was a good opportunity to call New Yorkers idiots for not gobbling them up.

But my favorite part about the video was the woman that bought the first two for her kids haggled him (or more accurately the guy he had selling them) down to two for the price of one.  It seemed to me she was the only real New Yorker of the bunch.

It's a little sad that the Bronx graffiti culture that spawned the whole movement is pretty much gone.  I don't miss painted trains but I do miss local NYC art, it's simply too expensive to be a struggling artist here anymore.  There really has been a creative brain drain even since I moved here way back in *makes coughing noises*
 
2013-10-17 04:50:07 PM  
Dude's the mayor. What's he supposed to say? "Hey all you wannabe Banksies...it's open season on NYC's walls and structures! Go nuts!"
 
2013-10-17 04:54:03 PM  
Vandalism is against the farking law, Banksy knows that.
 
2013-10-17 05:12:56 PM  

Ricardo Klement: I'm generally not a fan of graffiti, but Banksy is an artist in the true meaning of the word.

And he should nevertheless pay for his crimes like anyone else.



They're going after him just like they did Bill Stickers...
 
2013-10-17 05:49:37 PM  
images.elephantjournal.com
 
2013-10-17 05:50:02 PM  
I wouldn't like it if someone spray-painted my farking property

Treat people as you wish to be treated
 
2013-10-17 05:58:39 PM  

cman: I wouldn't like it if someone spray-painted my farking property

Treat people as you wish to be treated


That maxim woks right up until the time you meet a masochist.
 
2013-10-17 05:59:33 PM  
It's art as long as it's on someone else's property.
 
2013-10-17 06:00:39 PM  
Banksy defaces private property. Fark him. Graffiti is for 60 year old squares and so yesterday it makes Britney Spears look current.
 
2013-10-17 06:01:41 PM  
I thought Bloomberg was a friend of all Banksys? If not, how could he let 'im get to be too big to fail?

i.telegraph.co.uk
 
2013-10-17 06:02:38 PM  
fark banksy.  People are worshipping him the way people pray at the church of Apple, rev. steve jobs presiding.  It is the ultimate irony.
 
2013-10-17 06:03:21 PM  
Earguy


Exactly.
 
2013-10-17 06:07:19 PM  

UberDave: Ricardo Klement: I'm generally not a fan of graffiti, but Banksy is an artist in the true meaning of the word.

And he should nevertheless pay for his crimes like anyone else.


They're going after him just like they did Bill Stickers...


Bill Stickers is innocent!
 
2013-10-17 06:10:49 PM  

Earguy:


But, but the law!

The law favors advertisers, and you can't go against the law!

That would be criminal!
 
2013-10-17 06:15:11 PM  
Homeowners would only get pissed if he painted something on their property that they couldn't chisel off and sell.  It's like the SAMO/Basquait graffiti on the Lower East Side, you would see people biatching but only in the sense of "Got dammit why couldn't he have tagged this a few feet to the left on this door, you know the one with removable hinges."
 
2013-10-17 06:15:32 PM  
Obama?
 
2013-10-17 06:20:01 PM  
Is the guy independently wealthy? if his art is graffiti, what does he sell?
 
2013-10-17 06:27:26 PM  

Ricardo Klement: I'm generally not a fan of graffiti, but Banksy is an artist in the true meaning of the word.

And he should nevertheless pay for his crimes like anyone else.


Same here. I like his work, I just don't like the fact that he defaces property that doesn't belong to him. Paint your own property, or put that shiat on a canvas.
 
2013-10-17 06:27:40 PM  
So... what's his opinion of Omar?
 
2013-10-17 06:30:34 PM  
Yes, tell the artist who has made a living and global reputation out of graffiti art that graffiti is illegal.  That will surely stop him.

WillofJ2: Is the guy independently wealthy? if his art is graffiti, what does he sell?


http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/chi-banksy-in-new- yo rk-20131014,0,6327184.story
 
2013-10-17 06:31:33 PM  

brap: I liked the selling Banksy paintings by Central Park thing and the shining Ronald McDonald's shoes in front of Bronx McDonald's thing.

Everyone thought it was a good opportunity to call New Yorkers idiots for not gobbling them up.

But my favorite part about the video was the woman that bought the first two for her kids haggled him (or more accurately the guy he had selling them) down to two for the price of one.  It seemed to me she was the only real New Yorker of the bunch.

It's a little sad that the Bronx graffiti culture that spawned the whole movement is pretty much gone.  I don't miss painted trains but I do miss local NYC art, it's simply too expensive to be a struggling artist here anymore.  There really has been a creative brain drain even since I moved here way back in *makes coughing noises*


All those folks from the Bronx strike it rich and move out to Oyster Bay? My guess is that most members of that crew spent more money on food, dope, and ciggies than rent.
 
2013-10-17 06:32:12 PM  

FTGodWin: So... what's his opinion of Omar?


He prays for Omar *yawn*
 
2013-10-17 06:32:55 PM  
Sin_City_Superhero:
Same here. I like his work, I just don't like the fact that he defaces property that doesn't belong to him. Paint your own property, or put that shiat on a canvas.

You honestly think his work is defacement?
 
2013-10-17 06:33:02 PM  

Clemkadidlefark: Banksy defaces private property. Fark him. Graffiti is for 60 year old squares and so yesterday it makes Britney Spears look current.


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Whatever dude.
 
2013-10-17 06:38:31 PM  
"I just think there are some places for art, and there are some places (for) no art.

There are only two acceptable locations for great works of art - a museum, and above the toilet on a billionaire's yacht.
-Colbert
 
2013-10-17 06:41:46 PM  
I'm laughing at all the anti-Banksy comments on here.  Have you ever been to NYC??  It's riddled with gang graffiti and piss. 
It's refreshing to see artistic graffiti (not just Banksy's) when walking through a city, and helps distract from all the other blight in the area.
Where's Bloomdouche's outrage at all of the other gang tagging that goes on every day and night?
 
2013-10-17 06:47:15 PM  

WickerNipple: Sin_City_Superhero:
Same here. I like his work, I just don't like the fact that he defaces property that doesn't belong to him. Paint your own property, or put that shiat on a canvas.

You honestly think his work is defacement?


I do. Because it's unsolicited. Banksy doesn't know how other people want their property decorated, and his assumption that everyone should accept how HE want THEIR property to look is a bit misguided. With that said, I do think he's incredibly talented. I just don't think it's right to put his artwork on other people's property...regardless of how pretty his paintings are.
 
2013-10-17 06:47:57 PM  

69gnarkill69: Clemkadidlefark: Banksy defaces private property. Fark him. Graffiti is for 60 year old squares and so yesterday it makes Britney Spears look current.

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Whatever dude.


And every one of those should have been sprayed over with random squiggles and bathroom-wall insults. After all, like Banksy himself said, "Any advert in a public space that gives you no choice whether you see it or not is yours. It's yours to take, re-arrange and re-use. You can do whatever you like with it. Asking for permission is like asking to keep a rock someone just threw at your head."

His art was an advert for him.

fark Banksy.

nipner: I'm laughing at all the anti-Banksy comments on here. Have you ever been to NYC?? It's riddled with gang graffiti and piss.


Which are also wrong and efforts to get rid of them should also be conducted. Just like with Banksy's graffiti.

nipner: Where's Bloomdouche's outrage at all of the other gang tagging that goes on every day and night?


Oh. I had forgotten that NYC had legalized such vandalism and is no longer attempting to prosecute those who do it or clean up their efforts. Got it.
 
2013-10-17 06:50:20 PM  

nipner: I'm laughing at all the anti-Banksy comments on here. Have you ever been to NYC?? It's riddled with gang graffiti and piss


Here's some basic logic for you to consider: "Two wrongs don't make a right."
 
2013-10-17 06:51:53 PM  
Active buffer here.

I don't cover street art unless asked to by the property owner.  I do cover tags of every kind on all types of public property.  I always use as close to the the color paint that was originally defaced as possible (the silver buff is an example of an attention whore vandal just like the taggers he purportedly battles) and don't hesitate spending $50-$80 a night on high quality Krylon. F the vandals.  And I don't sneak around.  Three of us pull up and openly cover... sometimes it takes 15-20 minutes to take care of an entire intersection.  Police and neighbors praise us.  And w/ cc a matter of months away it won't just be a couple of aggressive looking dogs and 17% OC pepper gel for any shiatbird that has a problem with it.

We currently don't cover wheat pasting.  Unfortunately someone told me gang members are wheat pasting tags amid the art in certain communities.  If this is true I'll cover that shiat too.

/by the way to any Chicago vandals, your boy "werm" got what he deserved.  Hope you get it next.
 
2013-10-17 06:52:52 PM  

Sin_City_Superhero: WickerNipple: Sin_City_Superhero:
Same here. I like his work, I just don't like the fact that he defaces property that doesn't belong to him. Paint your own property, or put that shiat on a canvas.

You honestly think his work is defacement?

I do. Because it's unsolicited. Banksy doesn't know how other people want their property decorated, and his assumption that everyone should accept how HE want THEIR property to look is a bit misguided. With that said, I do think he's incredibly talented. I just don't think it's right to put his artwork on other people's property...regardless of how pretty his paintings are.


Why can't people keep their subversive art within the proper channels?!
 
2013-10-17 06:53:57 PM  
www.conservapedia.com

"From now on, every time you write your name in graffiti on public property, we're going to put the word "Sucks" right under it. That's right. Instead of being Mr. Cool, everyone's going to think you suck."
 
2013-10-17 06:54:32 PM  

Clemkadidlefark: Banksy defaces private property. Fark him. Graffiti is for 60 year old squares and so yesterday it makes Britney Spears look current.


I KNOW!!!

Little boxes on the hillside,
Little boxes made of ticky tacky
Little boxes on the hillside,
Little boxes all the same,
There's a green one and a pink one
And a blue on and a yellow one
And they're all made out of ticky tacky
And they all look the same.

And the people in the houses
All went to the university
Where they were put in boxes
And they came out all the same
And there's doctors and lawyers
And business executives
And they're all made out of ticky tacky
And they all look just the same.

And they all play on the golf course
And drink their martinis dry
And they all have pretty children
And the children go to school,
And the children go to summer camp
And then to the university
Where they are put in boxes
And they come out all the same.

And the boys go into business
And marry and raise a family
In boxes made of ticky tacky
And they all look just the same,
There's a green one and a pink one
And a blue one and a yellow one
And they're all made out of ticky tacky
And they all look just the same.

-Pete Seeger

/this is so much better, ain't it?
 
2013-10-17 06:55:55 PM  
Also, almost forgot... fark Banksy.

Hope I get a chance to give him a tattoo while he's taking an roofie/ ether nap.  He's a criminal. 

We've been compiling addresses of Chicago taggers w/ the help of a few cops.  We're going to deface their homes on Halloween...  "A TAGGER LIVES HERE" on the garages, doors and cars of the vandals.

/f banksy
 
2013-10-17 06:57:30 PM  
And looks like the copy editor is not a fan of Bloomie's either: from TFA, "But Blooomberg..."
 
2013-10-17 06:58:43 PM  

RudeBoyJoe: [www.conservapedia.com image 200x262]

"From now on, every time you write your name in graffiti on public property, we're going to put the word "Sucks" right under it. That's right. Instead of being Mr. Cool, everyone's going to think you suck."


Under all the the tributes to the now dead "werm" in Chicago people have been adding things like "had a small cock", "liked it in the ass"  and "got what he deserved".  It warms my heart to see others in the fight the way the transformer warmed his now dead body
 
2013-10-17 06:59:09 PM  

ArcadianRefugee: 69gnarkill69: Clemkadidlefark: Banksy defaces private property. Fark him. Graffiti is for 60 year old squares and so yesterday it makes Britney Spears look current.

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Whatever dude.

And every one of those should have been sprayed over with random squiggles and bathroom-wall insults. After all, like Banksy himself said, "Any advert in a public space that gives you no choice whether you see it or not is yours. It's yours to take, re-arrange and re-use. You can do whatever you like with it. Asking for permission is like asking to keep a rock someone just threw at your head."

His art was an advert for him.

fark Banksy.

nipner: I'm laughing at all the anti-Banksy comments on here. Have you ever been to NYC?? It's riddled with gang graffiti and piss.

Which are also wrong and efforts to get rid of them should also be conducted. Just like with Banksy's graffiti.

nipner: Where's Bloomdouche's outrage at all of the other gang tagging that goes on every day and night?

Oh. I had forgotten that NYC had legalized such vandalism and is no longer attempting to prosecute those who do it or clean up their efforts. Got it.


www.globalnerdy.com
 
2013-10-17 06:59:37 PM  

ArcadianRefugee: His art was an advert for him.


His art is not an advert for him, it's an advert for his ideas, like all art.  And he has interesting ideas that make people think about the world differently, the best kind of art.

He's well aware it's illegal, and no one is disputing that he should be tried for his crimes if he's caught.  But that doesn't mean we're going to root for the authorities trying to catch him.  Most people these days would be thrilled to have his art on their building, and it would probably raise the value.  If the city wiped a Banksy off my building I would sue them for vandalism.

We get it, you don't like art or beauty or people who go beyond cultural norms to make a point and have an impact.  I'm sure you make a fine accountant and bore your wife to death.
 
2013-10-17 07:02:12 PM  

dehehn: But that doesn't mean we're going to root for the authorities trying to catch him.


I'm going to root for him to fall to his death.

He is the root of the current problem.  Either a long fall or ass cancer... either is fine with me.
 
2013-10-17 07:02:50 PM  

Giant Clown Shoe: Also, almost forgot... fark Banksy.

Hope I get a chance to give him a tattoo while he's taking an roofie/ ether nap.  He's a criminal. 

We've been compiling addresses of Chicago taggers w/ the help of a few cops.  We're going to deface their homes on Halloween...  "A TAGGER LIVES HERE" on the garages, doors and cars of the vandals.

/f banksy


Whatever you say, internet tough guy.
 
2013-10-17 07:02:50 PM  
It's much easier to just be an old fart like me and not even know what a "Banksy" even is.

/much less give two squirts of piss
 
2013-10-17 07:03:11 PM  
"Graffiti does ruin people's property and is a sign of decay and a loss of control," Bloomberg said.

I think you've had quite enough control Bloomberg.

I think you're addicted.

You could use an intervention.
 
2013-10-17 07:05:21 PM  

FTGodWin: So... what's his opinion of Omar?


That he makes a fine tent.
 
2013-10-17 07:06:05 PM  

unfarkingbelievable: Giant Clown Shoe: Also, almost forgot... fark Banksy.

Hope I get a chance to give him a tattoo while he's taking an roofie/ ether nap.  He's a criminal. 

We've been compiling addresses of Chicago taggers w/ the help of a few cops.  We're going to deface their homes on Halloween...  "A TAGGER LIVES HERE" on the garages, doors and cars of the vandals.

/f banksy

Whatever you say, internet tough guy.


And at least twice a week all over the north to west side of Chicago on the real street guy.

Also f you... you're likely a vandal too.  Own any property? Didn't think so you little whipdick.
 
2013-10-17 07:09:46 PM  
img.fark.net
 
2013-10-17 07:09:47 PM  

Giant Clown Shoe: Active buffer here.

I don't cover street art unless asked to by the property owner.  I do cover tags of every kind on all types of public property.  I always use as close to the the color paint that was originally defaced as possible (the silver buff is an example of an attention whore vandal just like the taggers he purportedly battles) and don't hesitate spending $50-$80 a night on high quality Krylon. F the vandals.  And I don't sneak around.  Three of us pull up and openly cover... sometimes it takes 15-20 minutes to take care of an entire intersection.  Police and neighbors praise us.  And w/ cc a matter of months away it won't just be a couple of aggressive looking dogs and 17% OC pepper gel for any shiatbird that has a problem with it.

We currently don't cover wheat pasting.  Unfortunately someone told me gang members are wheat pasting tags amid the art in certain communities.  If this is true I'll cover that shiat too.

/by the way to any Chicago vandals, your boy "werm" got what he deserved.  Hope you get it next.


Wow you're a regular Frank Castle.

Giant Clown Shoe: Also, almost forgot... fark Banksy.

Hope I get a chance to give him a tattoo while he's taking an roofie/ ether nap.  He's a criminal.

We've been compiling addresses of Chicago taggers w/ the help of a few cops.  We're going to deface their homes on Halloween...  "A TAGGER LIVES HERE" on the garages, doors and cars of the vandals.

/f banksy


ih1.redbubble.net
 
2013-10-17 07:10:43 PM  
Damn, lots of sticks up lots of asses in this thread.

Most graffiti/street art shows up on surfaces that were already artless eyesores. If someone turns a drab building side or overpass or construction fence (etc.) into something colorful, cheeky or thought-provoking, I honestly don't understand why people care. Is the property-rights-über-alles boner really so amazing?

I understand that the actual authorities need to adopt a "now now, all of this is really against the rules" stance to preserve that side of the chaos-vs.-order balance, but man, you guys.
 
2013-10-17 07:16:09 PM  

ManateeGag: Ricardo Klement: I'm generally not a fan of graffiti, but Banksy is an artist in the true meaning of the word.

And he should nevertheless pay for his crimes like anyone else.

B...b...b...but he's not hurting anyone and it's a stupid law anyway.  we should be able to break laws we don't agree with.


According to Martin Luther King we are not only able to break laws we disagree with, but obligated by our morality to openly break unjust laws. Imagine that.. in a country where money = speech the act of reclaiming public space for individual expression is an overtly political act, whatever you think of the artistic merits of individual works of graffiti.
 
2013-10-17 07:16:33 PM  
obglitory NY Mayor / Graffiti video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ox0RbCe1KfQ&feature=player_detailpage# t =134">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ox0RbCe1KfQ&feature=player_detai lpage#t =134
 
2013-10-17 07:17:23 PM  

Inchoate: Damn, lots of sticks up lots of asses in this thread.

Most graffiti/street art shows up on surfaces that were already artless eyesores. If someone turns a drab building side or overpass or construction fence (etc.) into something colorful, cheeky or thought-provoking, I honestly don't understand why people care. Is the property-rights-über-alles boner really so amazing?

I understand that the actual authorities need to adopt a "now now, all of this is really against the rules" stance to preserve that side of the chaos-vs.-order balance, but man, you guys.


Don't be surprised. In a world where HOA's are a thing.
 
2013-10-17 07:17:52 PM  

Agent Smiths Laugh: Giant Clown Shoe: Active buffer here.

I don't cover street art unless asked to by the property owner.  I do cover tags of every kind on all types of public property.  I always use as close to the the color paint that was originally defaced as possible (the silver buff is an example of an attention whore vandal just like the taggers he purportedly battles) and don't hesitate spending $50-$80 a night on high quality Krylon. F the vandals.  And I don't sneak around.  Three of us pull up and openly cover... sometimes it takes 15-20 minutes to take care of an entire intersection.  Police and neighbors praise us.  And w/ cc a matter of months away it won't just be a couple of aggressive looking dogs and 17% OC pepper gel for any shiatbird that has a problem with it.

We currently don't cover wheat pasting.  Unfortunately someone told me gang members are wheat pasting tags amid the art in certain communities.  If this is true I'll cover that shiat too.

/by the way to any Chicago vandals, your boy "werm" got what he deserved.  Hope you get it next.

Wow you're a regular Frank Castle.

Giant Clown Shoe: Also, almost forgot... fark Banksy.

Hope I get a chance to give him a tattoo while he's taking an roofie/ ether nap.  He's a criminal.

We've been compiling addresses of Chicago taggers w/ the help of a few cops.  We're going to deface their homes on Halloween...  "A TAGGER LIVES HERE" on the garages, doors and cars of the vandals.

/f banksy

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Nope just a property owner sick as fark of little pussies pissing their names onto my garages and buildings in the middle of the night. 

You enjoy the "art" of it? Cool... invite one of these punks to paint something you own.  If not have the balls to do it in daylight or shut the fark up and leave it to the two groups actually on the street.  You like taggers? F u.  I'm a buffer.  And unlike the taggers we have the police, the community and the law on our side.  Only one tagger fell to his death this summer here.  That's two less than last year... hoping the law of averages produces a late surge.
 
2013-10-17 07:18:51 PM  
Damnit, it dropped my image..
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2013-10-17 07:23:50 PM  

Hiro-ACiD: According to Martin Luther King we are not only able to break laws we disagree with, but obligated by our morality to openly break unjust laws. Imagine that.. in a country where money = speech the act of reclaiming public space for individual expression is an overtly political act, whatever you think of the artistic merits of individual works of graffiti.


So Martin Luther King wanted some shiatbird with $15 worth of spray paint to ruin the side of my three flat?

http://www.flickr.com/photos/ziggin_breaf1/8620315407/

Doubtful...
 
2013-10-17 07:24:42 PM  
There is a bridge near me that is held up on wooden cribbing because the cement pillars are crumbling away. Tens of thousands of cars go under it every day, and there are no plans to fix it.

One day, It's going to fall down and cause a horrific accident.

But don't worry about the bridge. get rid of that farking graffiti.

3.bp.blogspot.com
/I wish we had more stuff like this around. I like it.
//We've got murals all over walls in the city already.
 
Al! [TotalFark]
2013-10-17 07:26:19 PM  

dehehn: ArcadianRefugee: His art was an advert for him.

His art is not an advert for him, it's an advert for his ideas, like all art.  And he has interesting ideas that make people think about the world differently, the best kind of art.

He's well aware it's illegal, and no one is disputing that he should be tried for his crimes if he's caught.  But that doesn't mean we're going to root for the authorities trying to catch him.  Most people these days would be thrilled to have his art on their building, and it would probably raise the value.  If the city wiped a Banksy off my building I would sue them for vandalism.

We get it, you don't like art or beauty or people who go beyond cultural norms to make a point and have an impact.  I'm sure you make a fine accountant and bore your wife to death.


You've been fooled.  If you don't believe it is an advert for Banksy, then what you believe is wrong.  I love art, but what he does is sensationalism.  He's not decrying the very machine that has made him very, very wealthy.  He's supporting it, and laughing all the way to the bank because hipsters and pseudo-hipsters like yourself think he's edgy and cool.  He isn't.  Van Gogh and Pollock are (were?) edgy and cool.  Banksy is advertising for people who hate advertising.  He works in advertising, and not through the murals you see in the news.  He literally sells his work to major corporations.  Look up the Bogside Artists if you want to see graffiti that portrays a social message.  Look up Banksy if you want to see someone who had made millions pretending to be someone he's not.
 
2013-10-17 07:26:56 PM  

Giant Clown Shoe: Agent Smiths Laugh: Giant Clown Shoe: yelling at clouds and licking of boots


God damn, you not only actually think people deserve DEATH for spray-painting walls, you're downright gleeful about it. Listen to yourself, man. You might want to talk to a mental health professional. :(
 
2013-10-17 07:30:54 PM  

Al!: He's not decrying the very machine that has made him very, very wealthy.


Someone happy to be paid for their art?

/imagine that...
 
2013-10-17 07:31:17 PM  

FTGodWin: So... what's his opinion of Omar?


I hear they're tight.
i1280.photobucket.com
 
2013-10-17 07:31:43 PM  
I'm not a fan of Banksy either.

Spray paint's a nice medium, and he's got chops, but I don't care for it. Glad he's got a career, but whateves.

Now Howard Taylor? That's sn artist.
 
2013-10-17 07:33:25 PM  
Giant Clown Shoe:

He is the root of the current problem.  Either a long fall or ass cancer... either is fine with me.


I hope you're talking about Bloomberg..
 
2013-10-17 07:33:41 PM  

Inchoate: Damn, lots of sticks up lots of asses in this thread.

Most graffiti/street art shows up on surfaces that were already artless eyesores. If someone turns a drab building side or overpass or construction fence (etc.) into something colorful, cheeky or thought-provoking, I honestly don't understand why people care. Is the property-rights-über-alles boner really so amazing?

I understand that the actual authorities need to adopt a "now now, all of this is really against the rules" stance to preserve that side of the chaos-vs.-order balance, but man, you guys.


Sadly, most tagging is mere vandalism with absolutely no artistic vision. Completely worthless trite crap, it is like a carbuncle on the face of a syphilitic hooker.
 
2013-10-17 07:35:11 PM  
Heavy in here!

I fricken love graffiti art and I find Banksy's tactics to be fascinating, but if anyone did that to my house, Giant Clown Shoe, I would lose my shiat.
 
2013-10-17 07:35:36 PM  
Banksy is more than welcome to bring his ass about 4 hours down I-95 To Richmond Virginia and diddle up anything he wants.

We have a community down here that would love to have him and would appreciate his work
 
2013-10-17 07:35:42 PM  

Inchoate: Giant Clown Shoe: Agent Smiths Laugh: Giant Clown Shoe: yelling at clouds and licking of boots

God damn, you not only actually think people deserve DEATH for spray-painting walls, you're downright gleeful about it. Listen to yourself, man. You might want to talk to a mental health professional. :(


How much money would you have to spend to repair vandalism before you wished death on the person committing it?

1K? 10K?  50K?  100K?  500K? More?

How many hours of applying acid to brick and covering it with sheeting before you spend an entire day trying to scrub the paint from each crevice with a wire brush before you'd be happy to know the specific person who'd defaced your property would never do it again?

40hrs? 160hrs? 500hrs?

How much would have to be stolen from you before you were willing to defend your property by taking a life?  I've spent the last decade dealing with this on an almost daily basis and I've had enough. 
Enough in time and money and effort and I am glad "werm" won't be ruining anymore of my property.  F him.

It's easy to be a sophisticated lover of urban art when you have no skin in the game.
 
2013-10-17 07:37:58 PM  

Salmon: Heavy in here!

I fricken love graffiti art and I find Banksy's tactics to be fascinating, but if anyone did that to my house, Giant Clown Shoe, I would lose my shiat.


So you want both sides of a coin where you can only pick one... Banksy is ok but "werm" isn't?

Pick a lane.
 
2013-10-17 07:38:57 PM  

Cerebral Knievel: Banksy is more than welcome to bring his ass about 4 hours down I-95 To Richmond Virginia and diddle up anything he wants.

We have a community down here that would love to have him and would appreciate his work


Nickel Bridge ftw
 
2013-10-17 07:40:20 PM  

Al!: Pollock [is] ([was]?) edgy and cool


Pollock is a drunk who couldn't draw a circle if his line depended on it. Everyone who ever spend millions on one of his I-drank-too-much-and-lost-fine-motor-control-so-lets-throw-some-paint- at-a-canvas-and-call-it-a-day paintings deserves to be kicked in the balls. Repeatedly.
 
2013-10-17 07:41:07 PM  

Giant Clown Shoe: We've been compiling addresses of Chicago taggers w/ the help of a few cops. We're going to deface their homes on Halloween... "A TAGGER LIVES HERE" on the garages, doors and cars of the vandals.


What on earth do you think that would accomplish?
 
2013-10-17 07:41:50 PM  

Giant Clown Shoe: Nope just a property owner sick as fark of little pussies pissing their names onto my garages and buildings in the middle of the night.


I hope they keep doing it just to watch the vein on your forehead throb.

/I bet that's why they keep doing it in fact.
 
2013-10-17 07:42:28 PM  

Noticeably F.A.T.: What on earth do you think that would accomplish


Get him arrested for tagging
 
2013-10-17 07:42:34 PM  
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Quality varies.
 
2013-10-17 07:46:09 PM  
Vandalism is a crime, The fact that it's decent looking make no difference, the guy should be arrested and pay for removal of every piece of property he's defaced.
 
2013-10-17 07:47:10 PM  

Noticeably F.A.T.: Giant Clown Shoe: We've been compiling addresses of Chicago taggers w/ the help of a few cops. We're going to deface their homes on Halloween... "A TAGGER LIVES HERE" on the garages, doors and cars of the vandals.

What on earth do you think that would accomplish?


I dunno, but tagging tagger's houses with bad graffiti is a fun idea.
 
2013-10-17 07:48:29 PM  
His work has sold for millions to the likes of Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie. But no one has ever so much as confirmed his real name.

I think if you're a multimillionaire who has made their fortune off mass marketed mainstream movies and you pay millions of dollars for a Banksy piece then you might be missing the point.

I suppose congratulations to whoever sold it to them...
 
2013-10-17 07:53:35 PM  

UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: Clemkadidlefark: Banksy defaces private property. Fark him. Graffiti is for 60 year old squares and so yesterday it makes Britney Spears look current.

I KNOW!!!

Little boxes on the hillside,
Little boxes made of ticky tacky
Little boxes on the hillside,
Little boxes all the same,
There's a green one and a pink one
And a blue on and a yellow one
And they're all made out of ticky tacky
And they all look the same.

And the people in the houses
All went to the university
Where they were put in boxes
And they came out all the same
And there's doctors and lawyers
And business executives
And they're all made out of ticky tacky
And they all look just the same.

And they all play on the golf course
And drink their martinis dry
And they all have pretty children
And the children go to school,
And the children go to summer camp
And then to the university
Where they are put in boxes
And they come out all the same.

And the boys go into business
And marry and raise a family
In boxes made of ticky tacky
And they all look just the same,
There's a green one and a pink one
And a blue one and a yellow one
And they're all made out of ticky tacky
And they all look just the same.

-Pete Seeger

/this is so much better, ain't it?


I love you for this, and especially for attributing it to Pete Seeger. That man is a farking legend when it comes to folk music.
 
2013-10-17 07:55:42 PM  

Al!: dehehn: ArcadianRefugee: His art was an advert for him.

His art is not an advert for him, it's an advert for his ideas, like all art.  And he has interesting ideas that make people think about the world differently, the best kind of art.

He's well aware it's illegal, and no one is disputing that he should be tried for his crimes if he's caught.  But that doesn't mean we're going to root for the authorities trying to catch him.  Most people these days would be thrilled to have his art on their building, and it would probably raise the value.  If the city wiped a Banksy off my building I would sue them for vandalism.

We get it, you don't like art or beauty or people who go beyond cultural norms to make a point and have an impact.  I'm sure you make a fine accountant and bore your wife to death.

You've been fooled.  If you don't believe it is an advert for Banksy, then what you believe is wrong.  I love art, but what he does is sensationalism.  He's not decrying the very machine that has made him very, very wealthy.  He's supporting it, and laughing all the way to the bank because hipsters and pseudo-hipsters like yourself think he's edgy and cool.  He isn't.  Van Gogh and Pollock are (were?) edgy and cool.  Banksy is advertising for people who hate advertising.  He works in advertising, and not through the murals you see in the news.  He literally sells his work to major corporations.  Look up the Bogside Artists if you want to see graffiti that portrays a social message.  Look up Banksy if you want to see someone who had made millions pretending to be someone he's not.


You don't know many artists, do you? Most are shameless self-promoters and would kill their mother if it meant someone would pay attention to their work. I don't say this as an insult, just an observation made by an art lover. Art is the ultimate exercise in self-promotion, it has to be.
 
2013-10-17 07:59:00 PM  

doglover: Noticeably F.A.T.: Giant Clown Shoe: We've been compiling addresses of Chicago taggers w/ the help of a few cops. We're going to deface their homes on Halloween... "A TAGGER LIVES HERE" on the garages, doors and cars of the vandals.

What on earth do you think that would accomplish?

I dunno, but tagging tagger's houses with bad graffiti is a fun idea.


Well, sure. I'm just a little curious as to how a person manages to compartmentalize their thoughts enough to not be suffering acute cognitive dissonance from simutaniously thinking "Vandalism is the worst crime ever, enough that I feel the need to patrol the streets as the Krylon Krusader" and "I'mma fark these guys' houses up". Unless of course he's just thinking that breaking the law for some straight-up revenge (not justice, though I'm sure he's thinking that's what it is) is A-Ok, but then that doesn't jive with the apparent attempt to convince everyone that he's some sort of moral crusader. How do you claim that breaking the law is never ok, then brag about your plans to break the law?

/In reality, I'm just wondering how he's going to spin his troll as I don't believe any part of his story.
 
2013-10-17 08:00:08 PM  

Inchoate: God damn, you not only actually think people deserve DEATH for spray-painting walls, you're downright gleeful about it.


It isn't the spray painting.  Spray paint away, Live it up. Get an MFA and express yourself!

Stay the fark away from my property.  Stay the fark away from the parks and the signs and the mailboxes and the bus stops in my community.  Your expression with your spray paint and your paint markers create an environment where property value falls and people are afraid to use areas of the city that are theirs because the average mom with a stroller doesn't know the difference between some cock's scribble and a gang claiming their alley.  We pay the property taxes.  We clean up the parkways and the alleys and the "artists" take it from us.  They take our money and our time and our neighborhoods.

So spray paint anything you legally own.  Anything else and  I hope you fall to your death.

Cumulative hatred... more than a decade. fark every one of them.
 
2013-10-17 08:01:22 PM  
This thread is good for showing who the people who own no property are since property owners would have a problem with this guy defacing someone's property, regardless of his excuse for doing so.
 
2013-10-17 08:04:43 PM  

fluffy2097: Giant Clown Shoe: Nope just a property owner sick as fark of little pussies pissing their names onto my garages and buildings in the middle of the night.

I hope they keep doing it just to watch the vein on your forehead throb.

/I bet that's why they keep doing it in fact.


Yes that's why there is poor quality scribble and websites ranking different shiatbirds as "all-city" because it makes property owners mad.  Are you serious?  These are scared little weasels, unable to assert themselves in any way in the daylight so they crawl through alleys at night and mark like a dog.  Then they come back and take pictures like an arsonist at their fire.  They then post it online for the accolades of their subculture peers.  They don't care about me or my property.  And they never will... until one gets shot in one of my alleys.  That would be a farking shame.
 
2013-10-17 08:04:47 PM  

Giant Clown Shoe: Inchoate: Giant Clown Shoe: Agent Smiths Laugh: Giant Clown Shoe: yelling at clouds and licking of boots

God damn, you not only actually think people deserve DEATH for spray-painting walls, you're downright gleeful about it. Listen to yourself, man. You might want to talk to a mental health professional. :(

How much money would you have to spend to repair vandalism before you wished death on the person committing


The life of a person, even a costly and annoying person, is worth more than all the vinyl siding you or I can buy.

Frankly, if you're constantly dropping multiple tens of thousands of dollars and who even knows how much stress on reversing taggers' graffiti, you may wish to relocate or at least do a CBA on your business situation.

I sympathize with people's frustration to an extent (particularly with fugly graffiti or tags that interfere with windows/other functional items), but if you really do wish death on people for freakin' graffiti, I pity you. :(
 
2013-10-17 08:07:02 PM  

UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: Clemkadidlefark: Banksy defaces private property. Fark him. Graffiti is for 60 year old squares and so yesterday it makes Britney Spears look current.

I KNOW!!!

Little boxes on the hillside,
Little boxes made of ticky tacky
Little boxes on the hillside,
Little boxes all the same,
There's a green one and a pink one
And a blue on and a yellow one
And they're all made out of ticky tacky
And they all look the same.

And the people in the houses
All went to the university
Where they were put in boxes
And they came out all the same
And there's doctors and lawyers
And business executives
And they're all made out of ticky tacky
And they all look just the same.

And they all play on the golf course
And drink their martinis dry
And they all have pretty children
And the children go to school,
And the children go to summer camp
And then to the university
Where they are put in boxes
And they come out all the same.

And the boys go into business
And marry and raise a family
In boxes made of ticky tacky
And they all look just the same,
There's a green one and a pink one
And a blue one and a yellow one
And they're all made out of ticky tacky
And they all look just the same.

-Pete Seeger

/this is so much better, ain't it?


No one is stopping you from buying your own property and tagging the shiat out of it. Don't do it on property that does not belong to you. Simple concept.
 
2013-10-17 08:09:56 PM  

69gnarkill69: Clemkadidlefark: Banksy defaces private property. Fark him. Graffiti is for 60 year old squares and so yesterday it makes Britney Spears look current.

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Whatever dude.


Nice works of art, and you know what?  There are plenty of other graffiti artists out there that would not hesitate for a moment to put their tags right on top of those works of art because they also see themselves as artists.
 
2013-10-17 08:09:58 PM  
As an architect, I think graffiti, both as an artistic and social expression, is important.

Graffiti helps you see certain issues that we might overlook, or help us state the obvious. Tags are a sign of desperation, rage, venting anger, signs of general displeasure of the city, how it grows and develops. Street art is, quite honestly, human expression without the constraints of certain rules.

People that usually complain about tagging have the right of it, because tags in themselves are a complain of the voiceless. Improve a community and the tags transform into graffiti, or they stop.
 
2013-10-17 08:10:12 PM  

Giant Clown Shoe: fluffy2097: Giant Clown Shoe: Nope just a property owner sick as fark of little pussies pissing their names onto my garages and buildings in the middle of the night.

I hope they keep doing it just to watch the vein on your forehead throb.

/I bet that's why they keep doing it in fact.

Yes that's why there is poor quality scribble and websites ranking different shiatbirds as "all-city" because it makes property owners mad.  Are you serious?  These are scared little weasels, unable to assert themselves in any way in the daylight so they crawl through alleys at night and mark like a dog.  Then they come back and take pictures like an arsonist at their fire.  They then post it online for the accolades of their subculture peers.  They don't care about me or my property.  And they never will... until one gets shot in one of my alleys.  That would be a farking shame.


lol, I can see that vein throbbing all the way in Seattle
 
2013-10-17 08:14:22 PM  

Mija: No one is stopping you from buying your own property and tagging the shiat out of it. Don't do it on property that does not belong to you. Simple concept.


Fine, we'll do it on the sidewalk.

argotandochre.com

24.media.tumblr.com

www.sketchy.com
 
2013-10-17 08:14:59 PM  

Mija: No one is stopping you from buying your own property and tagging the shiat out of it. Don't do it on property that does not belong to you. Simple concept


I own my own property, and I'm not, nor have I ever been a tagger. Nor is Banksy.

/conform
 
2013-10-17 08:16:38 PM  

Latinwolf: This thread is good for showing who the people who own no property are since property owners would have a problem with this guy defacing someone's property, regardless of his excuse for doing so.


Almost all the people whose houses he's painted something in have been happy with it, either because they sold it for a ton of money or because they liked the piece and kept it.
 
2013-10-17 08:19:50 PM  

Noticeably F.A.T.: , I'm just wondering how he's going to spin his troll as I don't believe any part of his story.


So I just happen to know the tag of a guy who fell to his death this summer?  I have no vested interest?  I know what buffing is and know that the silver buff in Portland is a dick and an attention whore?  And I'm taking this position here for what? For fun?  Which part is a lie?  The property?  The buffing?  The being furious? 

And I'm not a moral crusader.  I'm a guy who is sick as fark of cleaning my properties and my neighborhood and I'm not alone.  So not alone that several other property owners and I buff (it took one of the younger guys to clue me into that term and a movie on netflix where the taggers try to paint the "buffers" as the bad guys).  And there are cops that live in my neighborhood who are also sick of the rampant tagging and have given us the addresses of several prolific taggers.  I'm not claiming any moral high ground... fark that.  I'm ready to get in the farking gutter.  Have you ever tried to remove what remains of spray paint from brick after the city sand blasts it?  It's virtually impossible. It takes hours and hours and hours and a faint outline still remains.

I'm going to ensure the families of these farks get to find out first hand how hard it is to clean, how expensive it is to clean, what a pain in the ass it is to clean and most importantly all their neighbors will know their sons are the ones ruining the neighborhood... renters are off the list.  shiatbirds who live with their parents are going to wake up to a farking mess.

I don't give a rat's ass if what I'm doing is "right".  I'm done going to CAPS meetings and asking the alderman for help.  I'm taking it out on these little farks every chance I get.  They've cost me a small fortune and hundreds of hours of cleaning.  And I hope they all fall.  I'm deadly serious.
 
2013-10-17 08:22:23 PM  

brainiac-dumdum: lol, I can see that vein throbbing all the way in Seattle


And when you grow up and live in a big boy house when someone farks with it you'll get that vein too.

/or you'll keep going to band practice well into your 50's and rent from someone like me.
 
2013-10-17 08:22:36 PM  

Earguy: [images.elephantjournal.com image 850x1202]


Did he actually say that nonsense? I was ok with him until reading that whiny crap.
 
2013-10-17 08:22:43 PM  

Giant Clown Shoe: Noticeably F.A.T.: , I'm just wondering how he's going to spin his troll as I don't believe any part of his story.

So I just happen to know the tag of a guy who fell to his death this summer?  I have no vested interest?  I know what buffing is and know that the silver buff in Portland is a dick and an attention whore?  And I'm taking this position here for what? For fun?  Which part is a lie?  The property?  The buffing?  The being furious? 

And I'm not a moral crusader.  I'm a guy who is sick as fark of cleaning my properties and my neighborhood and I'm not alone.  So not alone that several other property owners and I buff (it took one of the younger guys to clue me into that term and a movie on netflix where the taggers try to paint the "buffers" as the bad guys).  And there are cops that live in my neighborhood who are also sick of the rampant tagging and have given us the addresses of several prolific taggers.  I'm not claiming any moral high ground... fark that.  I'm ready to get in the farking gutter.  Have you ever tried to remove what remains of spray paint from brick after the city sand blasts it?  It's virtually impossible. It takes hours and hours and hours and a faint outline still remains.

I'm going to ensure the families of these farks get to find out first hand how hard it is to clean, how expensive it is to clean, what a pain in the ass it is to clean and most importantly all their neighbors will know their sons are the ones ruining the neighborhood... renters are off the list.  shiatbirds who live with their parents are going to wake up to a farking mess.

I don't give a rat's ass if what I'm doing is "right".  I'm done going to CAPS meetings and asking the alderman for help.  I'm taking it out on these little farks every chance I get.  They've cost me a small fortune and hundreds of hours of cleaning.  And I hope they all fall.  I'm deadly serious.


images.wikia.com
 
2013-10-17 08:24:52 PM  

Giant Clown Shoe: fluffy2097: Giant Clown Shoe: Nope just a property owner sick as fark of little pussies pissing their names onto my garages and buildings in the middle of the night.

I hope they keep doing it just to watch the vein on your forehead throb.

/I bet that's why they keep doing it in fact.

Yes that's why there is poor quality scribble and websites ranking different shiatbirds as "all-city" because it makes property owners mad.  Are you serious?  These are scared little weasels, unable to assert themselves in any way in the daylight so they crawl through alleys at night and mark like a dog.  Then they come back and take pictures like an arsonist at their fire.  They then post it online for the accolades of their subculture peers.  They don't care about me or my property.  And they never will... until one gets shot in one of my alleys.  That would be a farking shame.


This is sh*t and you should be able to legally shoot the dickwads as long as you can videotape them in the act:
static.ddmcdn.com
This is awesome and brightens up a neighborhood:
3.bp.blogspot.com
Do you not make a distinction between the two?
 
Al! [TotalFark]
2013-10-17 08:25:45 PM  

brainiac-dumdum: Al!: dehehn: ArcadianRefugee: His art was an advert for him.

His art is not an advert for him, it's an advert for his ideas, like all art.  And he has interesting ideas that make people think about the world differently, the best kind of art.

He's well aware it's illegal, and no one is disputing that he should be tried for his crimes if he's caught.  But that doesn't mean we're going to root for the authorities trying to catch him.  Most people these days would be thrilled to have his art on their building, and it would probably raise the value.  If the city wiped a Banksy off my building I would sue them for vandalism.

We get it, you don't like art or beauty or people who go beyond cultural norms to make a point and have an impact.  I'm sure you make a fine accountant and bore your wife to death.

You've been fooled.  If you don't believe it is an advert for Banksy, then what you believe is wrong.  I love art, but what he does is sensationalism.  He's not decrying the very machine that has made him very, very wealthy.  He's supporting it, and laughing all the way to the bank because hipsters and pseudo-hipsters like yourself think he's edgy and cool.  He isn't.  Van Gogh and Pollock are (were?) edgy and cool.  Banksy is advertising for people who hate advertising.  He works in advertising, and not through the murals you see in the news.  He literally sells his work to major corporations.  Look up the Bogside Artists if you want to see graffiti that portrays a social message.  Look up Banksy if you want to see someone who had made millions pretending to be someone he's not.

You don't know many artists, do you? Most are shameless self-promoters and would kill their mother if it meant someone would pay attention to their work. I don't say this as an insult, just an observation made by an art lover. Art is the ultimate exercise in self-promotion, it has to be.


I know lots of artists.  What I was pointing out was the fallacy that Banksy is some anti-corporate figurehead for societal change.  He's not.  He's a millionaire urbanite who does work for major corporations in order to line his pocket, then furthers his fame through his "anonymous" artwork by pretending to hate those corporations.  He's done work for Fox, Nickelodeon and numerous record labels and major musicians.  Sure, he's an artist, but there's nothing special about his art.  He's more of a corporate shill than any person or entity that I can think of.
 
2013-10-17 08:25:53 PM  

Giant Clown Shoe: brainiac-dumdum: lol, I can see that vein throbbing all the way in Seattle

And when you grow up and live in a big boy house when someone farks with it you'll get that vein too.

/or you'll keep going to band practice well into your 50's and rent from someone like me.


I'm 37 and live in the densest neighborhood in Seattle, I'm familiar with tagging. It's an eyesore, I agree, but you're going to give yourself a stroke raging over the behavior of others. Graffiti is as old as humanity and will continue as long as we do. Sometimes acceptance is the best route.
 
2013-10-17 08:27:08 PM  

Al!: brainiac-dumdum: Al!: dehehn: ArcadianRefugee: His art was an advert for him.

His art is not an advert for him, it's an advert for his ideas, like all art.  And he has interesting ideas that make people think about the world differently, the best kind of art.

He's well aware it's illegal, and no one is disputing that he should be tried for his crimes if he's caught.  But that doesn't mean we're going to root for the authorities trying to catch him.  Most people these days would be thrilled to have his art on their building, and it would probably raise the value.  If the city wiped a Banksy off my building I would sue them for vandalism.

We get it, you don't like art or beauty or people who go beyond cultural norms to make a point and have an impact.  I'm sure you make a fine accountant and bore your wife to death.

You've been fooled.  If you don't believe it is an advert for Banksy, then what you believe is wrong.  I love art, but what he does is sensationalism.  He's not decrying the very machine that has made him very, very wealthy.  He's supporting it, and laughing all the way to the bank because hipsters and pseudo-hipsters like yourself think he's edgy and cool.  He isn't.  Van Gogh and Pollock are (were?) edgy and cool.  Banksy is advertising for people who hate advertising.  He works in advertising, and not through the murals you see in the news.  He literally sells his work to major corporations.  Look up the Bogside Artists if you want to see graffiti that portrays a social message.  Look up Banksy if you want to see someone who had made millions pretending to be someone he's not.

You don't know many artists, do you? Most are shameless self-promoters and would kill their mother if it meant someone would pay attention to their work. I don't say this as an insult, just an observation made by an art lover. Art is the ultimate exercise in self-promotion, it has to be.

I know lots of artists.  What I was pointing out was the fallacy that Banksy is some ant ...


Art and money are not mutually exclusive. I'm more or less apathetic about Banksy, but I see nothing wrong with an artist making money.
 
2013-10-17 08:34:37 PM  

Giant Clown Shoe: I'm taking it out on these little farks every chance I get.

Giant Clown Shoe: I don't give a rat's ass if what I'm doing is "right".

Giant Clown Shoe: I hope they all fall. I'm deadly serious.

Giant Clown Shoe: until one gets shot in one of my alleys. That would be a farking shame.

Giant Clown Shoe: How much would have to be stolen from you before you were willing to defend your property by taking a life?

Giant Clown Shoe: Under all the the tributes to the now dead "werm" in Chicago people have been adding things like "had a small cock", "liked it in the ass" and "got what he deserved". It warms my heart to see others in the fight the way the transformer warmed his now dead body

Giant Clown Shoe: I'm not claiming any moral high ground... fark that. I'm ready to get in the farking gutter.



Are... Are you a murderer?

/halp. I think we need an adult or a moderator in here or something.
 
2013-10-17 08:38:14 PM  

fluffy2097: Giant Clown Shoe: I'm taking it out on these little farks every chance I get.
Giant Clown Shoe: I don't give a rat's ass if what I'm doing is "right".
Giant Clown Shoe: I hope they all fall. I'm deadly serious.
Giant Clown Shoe: until one gets shot in one of my alleys. That would be a farking shame.
Giant Clown Shoe: How much would have to be stolen from you before you were willing to defend your property by taking a life?
Giant Clown Shoe: Under all the the tributes to the now dead "werm" in Chicago people have been adding things like "had a small cock", "liked it in the ass" and "got what he deserved". It warms my heart to see others in the fight the way the transformer warmed his now dead body
Giant Clown Shoe: I'm not claiming any moral high ground... fark that. I'm ready to get in the farking gutter.


Are... Are you a murderer?

/halp. I think we need an adult or a moderator in here or something.


Taggers are basically rapists. They destroy simply to get their jollies off at someone elses expense.
 
2013-10-17 08:39:59 PM  

Korzine: fluffy2097: Giant Clown Shoe: I'm taking it out on these little farks every chance I get.
Giant Clown Shoe: I don't give a rat's ass if what I'm doing is "right".
Giant Clown Shoe: I hope they all fall. I'm deadly serious.
Giant Clown Shoe: until one gets shot in one of my alleys. That would be a farking shame.
Giant Clown Shoe: How much would have to be stolen from you before you were willing to defend your property by taking a life?
Giant Clown Shoe: Under all the the tributes to the now dead "werm" in Chicago people have been adding things like "had a small cock", "liked it in the ass" and "got what he deserved". It warms my heart to see others in the fight the way the transformer warmed his now dead body
Giant Clown Shoe: I'm not claiming any moral high ground... fark that. I'm ready to get in the farking gutter.


Are... Are you a murderer?

/halp. I think we need an adult or a moderator in here or something.

Taggers are basically rapists. They destroy simply to get their jollies off at someone elses expense.


lol, wow.
 
2013-10-17 08:43:09 PM  

69gnarkill69: Giant Clown Shoe: fluffy2097: Giant Clown Shoe: Nope just a property owner sick as fark of little pussies pissing their names onto my garages and buildings in the middle of the night.

I hope they keep doing it just to watch the vein on your forehead throb.

/I bet that's why they keep doing it in fact.

Yes that's why there is poor quality scribble and websites ranking different shiatbirds as "all-city" because it makes property owners mad.  Are you serious?  These are scared little weasels, unable to assert themselves in any way in the daylight so they crawl through alleys at night and mark like a dog.  Then they come back and take pictures like an arsonist at their fire.  They then post it online for the accolades of their subculture peers.  They don't care about me or my property.  And they never will... until one gets shot in one of my alleys.  That would be a farking shame.

This is sh*t and you should be able to legally shoot the dickwads as long as you can videotape them in the act:
[static.ddmcdn.com image 450x298]
This is awesome and brightens up a neighborhood:
[3.bp.blogspot.com image 450x238]
Do you not make a distinction between the two?


Sorry, but both of those look like ass. There is skill and technique in the second one, but it's still a giant shiat stain on a wall. Yes, beige flat looks better than that eyesore.
 
2013-10-17 08:44:01 PM  

Noticeably F.A.T.: doglover: Noticeably F.A.T.: Giant Clown Shoe: We've been compiling addresses of Chicago taggers w/ the help of a few cops. We're going to deface their homes on Halloween... "A TAGGER LIVES HERE" on the garages, doors and cars of the vandals.

What on earth do you think that would accomplish?

I dunno, but tagging tagger's houses with bad graffiti is a fun idea.

Well, sure. I'm just a little curious as to how a person manages to compartmentalize their thoughts enough to not be suffering acute cognitive dissonance from simutaniously thinking "Vandalism is the worst crime ever, enough that I feel the need to patrol the streets as the Krylon Krusader" and "I'mma fark these guys' houses up". Unless of course he's just thinking that breaking the law for some straight-up revenge (not justice, though I'm sure he's thinking that's what it is) is A-Ok, but then that doesn't jive with the apparent attempt to convince everyone that he's some sort of moral crusader. How do you claim that breaking the law is never ok, then brag about your plans to break the law?

/In reality, I'm just wondering how he's going to spin his troll as I don't believe any part of his story.


That was my assesment as well.

Vandalism is a crime, but law enforcement are very faliable and justice is a universal virtue. So I have no trouble with light hearted tit for tat paint wars. It's when you break things or put cilantro I have trouble
 
2013-10-17 08:44:16 PM  

Korzine: Taggers are basically rapists. They destroy simply to get their jollies off at someone elses expense.


Does that mean when you get your house painted, the painter is having consensual sex with your house, while you pay to watch?

Isn't that illegal?
 
2013-10-17 08:47:22 PM  

fluffy2097: Korzine: Taggers are basically rapists. They destroy simply to get their jollies off at someone elses expense.

Does that mean when you get your house painted, the painter is having consensual sex with your house, while you pay to watch?

Isn't that illegal?


Only if you don't film it.
 
2013-10-17 08:48:47 PM  
Korzine:
Only if you don't film it.

...

I... I... I need to go get my camera... and a paint roller...
 
2013-10-17 08:54:34 PM  

kitsuneymg: 69gnarkill69: Giant Clown Shoe: fluffy2097: Giant Clown Shoe: Nope just a property owner sick as fark of little pussies pissing their names onto my garages and buildings in the middle of the night.

I hope they keep doing it just to watch the vein on your forehead throb.

/I bet that's why they keep doing it in fact.

Yes that's why there is poor quality scribble and websites ranking different shiatbirds as "all-city" because it makes property owners mad.  Are you serious?  These are scared little weasels, unable to assert themselves in any way in the daylight so they crawl through alleys at night and mark like a dog.  Then they come back and take pictures like an arsonist at their fire.  They then post it online for the accolades of their subculture peers.  They don't care about me or my property.  And they never will... until one gets shot in one of my alleys.  That would be a farking shame.

This is sh*t and you should be able to legally shoot the dickwads as long as you can videotape them in the act:
[static.ddmcdn.com image 450x298]
This is awesome and brightens up a neighborhood:
[3.bp.blogspot.com image 450x238]
Do you not make a distinction between the two?

Sorry, but both of those look like ass. There is skill and technique in the second one, but it's still a giant shiat stain on a wall. Yes, beige flat looks better than that eyesore.


I get it if you own a building and you do not want it painted.  But there are hundreds of run down and neglected buildings that can benefit from a little artwork in any major city.

This is an abandoned building turned into art:
farm9.staticflickr.com
 
2013-10-17 08:56:17 PM  

dehehn: His art is not an advert for him, it's an advert for his ideas


Still an advert, then.

We get it, you don't like art or beautyvandalism or people who go beyond cultural norms to make a point and have an impactvandalize.

FTFY.

But you keep excusing his crimes because they are pretty.
 
2013-10-17 08:57:59 PM  
Meh, Banksy is ok. If he painted one of my buildings I probably wouldn't be too upset. That said 'taggers' and other useless punks with spray cans are scum.
 
2013-10-17 09:01:29 PM  

Giant Clown Shoe: I don't give a rat's ass if what I'm doing is "right".


Then you have no right to biatch about vandals. If you don't care about doing what's right, why should they?
 
Al! [TotalFark]
2013-10-17 09:07:19 PM  

brainiac-dumdum: Art and money are not mutually exclusive. I'm more or less apathetic about Banksy, but I see nothing wrong with an artist making money.


I don't have any problems with anyone using their talents to make money as long as it doesn't infringe on the rights of others.  I don't like vandalism, but that isn't what this is about.  What this is about is Banksy being idolized when he is, in fact, just a poseur.  He disparages and derogates captialism and advertising, yet uses those same ideals to enrich his own life.  He is the opposite of what he preaches.  He's not an artist, he's a salesman and a petty criminal.
 
2013-10-17 09:17:05 PM  

Giant Clown Shoe: Inchoate: Giant Clown Shoe: Agent Smiths Laugh: Giant Clown Shoe: yelling at clouds and licking of boots

God damn, you not only actually think people deserve DEATH for spray-painting walls, you're downright gleeful about it. Listen to yourself, man. You might want to talk to a mental health professional. :(

How much money would you have to spend to repair vandalism before you wished death on the person committing it?

1K? 10K?  50K?  100K?  500K? More?

How many hours of applying acid to brick and covering it with sheeting before you spend an entire day trying to scrub the paint from each crevice with a wire brush before you'd be happy to know the specific person who'd defaced your property would never do it again?

40hrs? 160hrs? 500hrs?

How much would have to be stolen from you before you were willing to defend your property by taking a life?  I've spent the last decade dealing with this on an almost daily basis and I've had enough. 
Enough in time and money and effort and I am glad "werm" won't be ruining anymore of my property.  F him.

It's easy to be a sophisticated lover of urban art when you have no skin in the game.


Radio Shack. Wireless camera, motion sensor lighting. About 159.00. Time to set up. Ten minutes. Phone call to local police. Free. Not stroking out over all your defaced NY property. Priceless. OR Hire someone to clean it up. Either way it seems like taking a step back might be warranted. Fresh perspective and so forth. Additionally my family's ranch is next to a dairy farm. It never occured to me to be super pissed about the smell. Finally, you may want to reconsider going to gang members homes to commit crimes against them regardless of what your dirty cop friends tell you when they are giving you a list of addresses.
 
2013-10-17 09:18:57 PM  

ArcadianRefugee: 69gnarkill69: Clemkadidlefark: Banksy defaces private property. Fark him. Graffiti is for 60 year old squares and so yesterday it makes Britney Spears look current.

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Whatever dude.

And every one of those should have been sprayed over with random squiggles and bathroom-wall insults. After all, like Banksy himself said, "Any advert in a public space that gives you no choice whether you see it or not is yours. It's yours to take, re-arrange and re-use. You can do whatever you like with it. Asking for permission is like asking to keep a rock someone just threw at your head."

His art was an advert for him.

fark Banksy.

nipner: I'm laughing at all the anti-Banksy comments on here. Have you ever been to NYC?? It's riddled with gang graffiti and piss.

Which are also wrong and efforts to get rid of them should also be conducted. Just like with Banksy's graffiti.

nipner: Where's Bloomdouche's outrage at all of the other gang tagging that goes on every day and night?

Oh. I had forgotten that NYC had legalized such vandalism and is no longer attempting to prosecute those who do it or clean up their efforts. Got it.


LOL This thread really makes it easy to find out who some trolls are.
 
2013-10-17 09:23:37 PM  

elementcircle: I love you for this, and especially for attributing it to Pete Seeger. That man is a farking legend when it comes to folk music.


I honestly wasn't sure whether to attribute it to Pete Seeger or Malvina Reynolds, as I've seen it credited to each at different times.

/Pete Seeger fan also!
 
2013-10-17 09:26:04 PM  

69gnarkill69: Giant Clown Shoe: fluffy2097: Giant Clown Shoe: Nope just a property owner sick as fark of little pussies pissing their names onto my garages and buildings in the middle of the night.

I hope they keep doing it just to watch the vein on your forehead throb.

/I bet that's why they keep doing it in fact.

Yes that's why there is poor quality scribble and websites ranking different shiatbirds as "all-city" because it makes property owners mad.  Are you serious?  These are scared little weasels, unable to assert themselves in any way in the daylight so they crawl through alleys at night and mark like a dog.  Then they come back and take pictures like an arsonist at their fire.  They then post it online for the accolades of their subculture peers.  They don't care about me or my property.  And they never will... until one gets shot in one of my alleys.  That would be a farking shame.

This is sh*t and you should be able to legally shoot the dickwads as long as you can videotape them in the act:
[static.ddmcdn.com image 450x298]
This is awesome and brightens up a neighborhood:
[3.bp.blogspot.com image 450x238]
Do you not make a distinction between the two?


Seeing as they both devalue the property in the neighborhood, no, I don't see a difference.
 
2013-10-17 09:28:43 PM  
Banksy is an advertiser.
 
2013-10-17 09:32:42 PM  

69gnarkill69: This is sh*t and you should be able to legally shoot the dickwads as long as you can videotape them in the act:
[static.ddmcdn.com image 450x298]
This is awesome and brightens up a neighborhood:
[3.bp.blogspot.com image 450x238]
Do you not make a distinction between the two?


Entirely subjective.

I don't care for either one.
 
2013-10-17 09:34:00 PM  
Considering the value of Banksy artwork, he paid the fine to the city in the form of a piece of art on a wall worth thousands. He paid it before being fined for painting it. Astonishing!
 
2013-10-17 09:45:35 PM  

ReapTheChaos: 69gnarkill69: Giant Clown Shoe: fluffy2097: Giant Clown Shoe: Nope just a property owner sick as fark of little pussies pissing their names onto my garages and buildings in the middle of the night.

I hope they keep doing it just to watch the vein on your forehead throb.

/I bet that's why they keep doing it in fact.

Yes that's why there is poor quality scribble and websites ranking different shiatbirds as "all-city" because it makes property owners mad.  Are you serious?  These are scared little weasels, unable to assert themselves in any way in the daylight so they crawl through alleys at night and mark like a dog.  Then they come back and take pictures like an arsonist at their fire.  They then post it online for the accolades of their subculture peers.  They don't care about me or my property.  And they never will... until one gets shot in one of my alleys.  That would be a farking shame.

This is sh*t and you should be able to legally shoot the dickwads as long as you can videotape them in the act:
[static.ddmcdn.com image 450x298]
This is awesome and brightens up a neighborhood:
[3.bp.blogspot.com image 450x238]
Do you not make a distinction between the two?

Seeing as they both devalue the property in the neighborhood, no, I don't see a difference.


Hey, I heard from Eunice who heard from Myron that your neighbor's grass is 1/4" higher than regulation and his door isn't an approved color. You might want to go check that out instead of posting in this thread.
 
2013-10-17 10:03:12 PM  

Inchoate: ReapTheChaos: 69gnarkill69: Giant Clown Shoe: fluffy2097: Giant Clown Shoe: Nope just a property owner sick as fark of little pussies pissing their names onto my garages and buildings in the middle of the night.

I hope they keep doing it just to watch the vein on your forehead throb.

/I bet that's why they keep doing it in fact.

Yes that's why there is poor quality scribble and websites ranking different shiatbirds as "all-city" because it makes property owners mad.  Are you serious?  These are scared little weasels, unable to assert themselves in any way in the daylight so they crawl through alleys at night and mark like a dog.  Then they come back and take pictures like an arsonist at their fire.  They then post it online for the accolades of their subculture peers.  They don't care about me or my property.  And they never will... until one gets shot in one of my alleys.  That would be a farking shame.

This is sh*t and you should be able to legally shoot the dickwads as long as you can videotape them in the act:
[static.ddmcdn.com image 450x298]
This is awesome and brightens up a neighborhood:
[3.bp.blogspot.com image 450x238]
Do you not make a distinction between the two?

Seeing as they both devalue the property in the neighborhood, no, I don't see a difference.

Hey, I heard from Eunice who heard from Myron that your neighbor's grass is 1/4" higher than regulation and his door isn't an approved color. You might want to go check that out instead of posting in this thread.


Judging by your reply I'll go out on a limb and assume you've never owned property in your life. With that in mind, there's absolutely no reason I should give a single fark what your opinion on this subject is.
 
2013-10-17 10:11:12 PM  

Inchoate: Hey, I heard from Eunice who heard from Myron that your neighbor's grass is 1/4" higher than regulation and his door isn't an approved color. You might want to go check that out instead of posting in this thread


As a member of a HOA that is currently trying to throw a bunch of drunken, territorial assholes off my childhood summer home, I do kind of get this bullshiat.

/We figure they'll hit a boater or swimmer sooner or later since they boat and jetski while drunk and then we can throw them out.
//I said if they want to put up a fence, it should have to surround their entire property, and be opaque, obscuring their lakefront view.
///Those farkers replaced the nice old cookie lady who lived there.
////They fly fish in the swimming area, while people are swimming too.
 
2013-10-17 10:15:25 PM  
ReapTheChaos: [...] Judging by your reply I'll go out on a limb and assume you've never owned property in your life. With that in mind, there's absolutely no reason I should give a single fark what your opinion on this subject is.

LOL, nice try.
 
2013-10-17 10:15:48 PM  

ManateeGag: Ricardo Klement: I'm generally not a fan of graffiti, but Banksy is an artist in the true meaning of the word.

And he should nevertheless pay for his crimes like anyone else.

B...b...b...but he's not hurting anyone


Let me stop you right there. What is the law in place for if not to protect people? A law that exists to prohibit something that causes no harm is a stupid law and should be ignored on principle. Now, that said, I would consider property damage to be a form of harm so there should be some consequence for this guy.
 
2013-10-17 10:24:44 PM  
Welcome back to that same old place that you laughed about....


images.nycsubway.org
 
2013-10-17 10:48:11 PM  
Uh, the biggest control freak in the known universe is the Padishah Emperor Shaddam IV.
 
2013-10-17 10:58:29 PM  

Giant Clown Shoe:

ironic fark handle
thenypost.files.wordpress.com
Actual Banksy sculpture of Giant Clown Shoes
 
2013-10-17 11:11:48 PM  

doglover: I dunno, but tagging tagger's houses with bad graffiti is a fun idea.


Taggers don't own anything.  They are just thugs.
 
2013-10-17 11:15:55 PM  

Al!: He's a millionaire urbanite who does work for major corporations in order to line his pocket, then furthers his fame through his "anonymous" artwork by pretending to hate those corporations.


Except he got his start doing his anonymous work. He was doing that for years before anyone showed up to work for them. And then when he does work for someone, well it sort of proves his point about how people have no idea about the world around him.

ReapTheChaos: Seeing as they both devalue the property in the neighborhood, no, I don't see a difference.


Only one devalues property.
 
2013-10-17 11:16:54 PM  

WhyteRaven74: him


him = them
 
2013-10-18 12:13:20 AM  
Wouldn't it be cool if he put some fantastic artwork on a car?

Your car, of course.
 
2013-10-18 12:14:13 AM  
"Art is art, and nobody's a bigger supporter of the arts than I am," he added. "I just think there are some places for art, and there are some places (for) no art. And you running up to someone's property or public property and defacing it is not my definition of art."

Holy CRAP! What an unreasonable CONTROL FREAK!!!
 
2013-10-18 12:15:08 AM  

69gnarkill69: Giant Clown Shoe: fluffy2097: Giant Clown Shoe: Nope just a property owner sick as fark of little pussies pissing their names onto my garages and buildings in the middle of the night.

I hope they keep doing it just to watch the vein on your forehead throb.

/I bet that's why they keep doing it in fact.

Yes that's why there is poor quality scribble and websites ranking different shiatbirds as "all-city" because it makes property owners mad.  Are you serious?  These are scared little weasels, unable to assert themselves in any way in the daylight so they crawl through alleys at night and mark like a dog.  Then they come back and take pictures like an arsonist at their fire.  They then post it online for the accolades of their subculture peers.  They don't care about me or my property.  And they never will... until one gets shot in one of my alleys.  That would be a farking shame.

This is sh*t and you should be able to legally shoot the dickwads as long as you can videotape them in the act:
[static.ddmcdn.com image 450x298]
This is awesome and brightens up a neighborhood:
[3.bp.blogspot.com image 450x238]
Do you not make a distinction between the two?


I do.

I also wouldn't have a problem with the stencils on the sidewalk.

But I wouldn't want that beautiful mural on one of my properties without my permission.  On public property I wouldn't touch it.

But the "art" to "tagging" ration is 99 to 1 against.  And frankly if a mural showed up, without hidden meaning, on the alley side of a business property I likely wouldn't paint over it.  If the painter had asked me I'd likely give input and pay for what I envisioned.
 
2013-10-18 12:17:24 AM  

fluffy2097: Are... Are you a murderer?


No. A property owner.  Let me rephrase... an active property owner.  And if I catch someone on my roof, vandalizing my property I will do everything I can to stop them and defend myself.
 
2013-10-18 12:31:35 AM  

Noticeably F.A.T.: Giant Clown Shoe: I don't give a rat's ass if what I'm doing is "right".

Then you have no right to biatch about vandals. If you don't care about doing what's right, why should they?


How many more futile years would you have me spending huge amounts of money and doing incredibly difficult work to repair the damage done by a handful of neighborhood assholes? 

And frankly I don't care an iota what you think about the morality of my behavior.  I'm not trying to win an argument here.  I don't care what you think.  I'm done hoping these farks are going to stop on their own bc the elevated bike rail provided them with miles of blank canvas.  It is interesting.  The vandalism in my neighborhood didn't drop one bit.  I'm not farking Gandhi and I'm not waging a pacifist revolt.  I'm sick of the cost, the effort and the pain in the ass.  Now I'm going to be an active pain in the ass too.  I'm just "expressing myself".  Isn't that the idea.  Expressing yourself in a public forum?

The limp dicks spray painting the garages have gotten their say for more than ten years.  Now I'll have my say.  I'll cover up his shiat, paint all over his home and hope that a group of frustrated property owners get to stomp a mud hole in some fark who has been leaving his name on our properties for years.  This isn't random.  There is no mistaken identity.  They proudly have told us who they are.

fark them.

And if you don't think we have earned the right to hit back fark you too.

Unless you feel another ten years of meeting w/ the police and the alderman is going to result in something other than increased vandalism?  Maybe a social program?
 
2013-10-18 12:38:36 AM  

Por que tan serioso: Radio Shack. Wireless camera, motion sensor lighting. About 159.00. Time to set up. Ten minutes. Phone call to local police. Free. Not stroking out over all your defaced NY property. Priceless. OR Hire someone to clean it up. Either way it seems like taking a step back might be warranted. Fresh perspective and so forth. Additionally my family's ranch is next to a dairy farm. It never occured to me to be super pissed about the smell. Finally, you may want to reconsider going to gang members homes to commit crimes against them regardless of what your dirty cop friends tell you when they are giving you a list of addresses.


They're not dirty cops... they're neighbors and property owners.  They're also sick of their homes being vandalized.

We all already have security cameras.  We all have video of hoodie wearing sawed off farks painting our buildings... if it's gang, sometimes the tac teams are interested but mostly to see who is moving where.  They don't care about our property.  And Chicago detectives can't investigate all the gun crimes properly.  Do you think they're going to put a team of detectives on a property crime?

Stroking out... 10's of thousands of dollars and hundreds of hours of clean-up that almost never is completely repaired.  You can replace it but it will be defaced again.  Do you have any idea what a garage door costs?  Or abatement on brick?

Give advice about something you have experience with... you have no idea what you're talking about.
 
2013-10-18 12:41:06 AM  

JuggleGeek: doglover: I dunno, but tagging tagger's houses with bad graffiti is a fun idea.

Taggers don't own anything.  They are just thugs.


Their parents do...
 
2013-10-18 01:23:12 AM  

WhyteRaven74: ReapTheChaos: Seeing as they both devalue the property in the neighborhood, no, I don't see a difference.

Only one devalues property.


Wrong.
 
2013-10-18 03:05:56 AM  

cman: I wouldn't like it if someone spray-painted my farking property

Treat people as you wish to be treated


Do I want people to randomly make something of mine immensely valuable? YES. YES I DO.

I'm not saying tagging anything that holds still long enough is ok (in fact, I think it's the human version of pissing to mark your territory, except not even usually your actual territory....which makes it extra stupid) - but there's a big difference between tagging and painting something with artistic value. Let alone artistic and *financial* value.

Banksy is no longer committing vandalism, because vandalism /reduces/ the value of property. Not vastly increases it.
 
2013-10-18 07:04:27 AM  
In all honesty I'm curious what those that think I'm absolutely out of my mind would do after more than a decade of serious property damage and cost (both a tn of $ and energy).  Do you think renters want to live in vandalized buildings?  Do businesses want to sign ten year leases when the side of the building is covered in tags? It's clear that "Banksy" is the exception that proves the rule and while some street art is interesting in reality it never increases the value of private property.  What would you do?  Happily scrub away?  Keep writing checks for ineffective cleaning?  Throw up your hands and let your properties and neighborhood devolve into a place that looks like a place many people don't want to live?

I'm really interested in what younger people either amused or outraged at my position would do if it where their responsibility to manage these investments.
 
2013-10-18 07:15:52 AM  

Giant Clown Shoe: Own any property? Didn't think so


Neither do you. Stop paying property taxes or your mortgage and you'll find out real quick who owns what.

Here's a clue: you own debt. That's all.
 
2013-10-18 07:21:34 AM  

Giant Clown Shoe: you have no idea what you're talking about.


Neither do you.

in reality it never increases the value of private property.

Actually in some cases it does.

ReapTheChaos: Wrong.


Given there are people who seek out the people who do the really good work to put on their buildings on purpose? And that many are given sections of walls, sometimes massive sections, to do with as they see fit? I'm right.
 
2013-10-18 08:56:05 AM  

Giant Clown Shoe: fluffy2097: Are... Are you a murderer?

No. A property owner.  Let me rephrase... an active property owner.  And if I catch someone on my roof, vandalizing my property I will do everything I can to stop them and defend myself.


Where do you live?

I'd like to read your local police blotter, so that when you DO go on your little tagging crime spree, or when it is confirmed that foul play was involved in some kid falling off a roof...

Well, now we have you on digital record talking about your motive and intent.

/premeditated crime is the best kind of crime.
 
2013-10-18 09:02:18 AM  

Giant Clown Shoe: I'm really interested in what younger people either amused or outraged at my position would do if it where their responsibility to manage these investments.


Well, first of all, were I in your shoes....

I wouldn't publicly advertise the date of my next crime spree, and make multiple statements about how I want to kill teenagers who live with their parents.

/Not to mention you sure do know a lot about the circumstances around this werm guys death, and you seem quite overjoyed about it.
//Sure seems like you were involved in his death to me.
 
2013-10-18 09:34:46 AM  

Giant Clown Shoe: Noticeably F.A.T.: Giant Clown Shoe: I don't give a rat's ass if what I'm doing is "right".

Then you have no right to biatch about vandals. If you don't care about doing what's right, why should they?

How many more futile years would you have me spending huge amounts of money and doing incredibly difficult work to repair the damage done by a handful of neighborhood assholes? 

And frankly I don't care an iota what you think about the morality of my behavior.  I'm not trying to win an argument here.  I don't care what you think.  I'm done hoping these farks are going to stop on their own bc the elevated bike rail provided them with miles of blank canvas.  It is interesting.  The vandalism in my neighborhood didn't drop one bit.  I'm not farking Gandhi and I'm not waging a pacifist revolt.  I'm sick of the cost, the effort and the pain in the ass.  Now I'm going to be an active pain in the ass too.  I'm just "expressing myself".  Isn't that the idea.  Expressing yourself in a public forum?

The limp dicks spray painting the garages have gotten their say for more than ten years.  Now I'll have my say.  I'll cover up his shiat, paint all over his home and hope that a group of frustrated property owners get to stomp a mud hole in some fark who has been leaving his name on our properties for years.  This isn't random.  There is no mistaken identity.  They proudly have told us who they are.

fark them.

And if you don't think we have earned the right to hit back fark you too.

Unless you feel another ten years of meeting w/ the police and the alderman is going to result in something other than increased vandalism?  Maybe a social program?


Then go shoot them and get it over with. Cleaning it isn't working, working with the police isn't working, vandalizing their property sure as hell won't work, but killing them will and you don't have any morals to slow you down.

Or, keep biatching about and do nothing else.
 
2013-10-18 10:58:32 AM  

Target Builder: Latinwolf: This thread is good for showing who the people who own no property are since property owners would have a problem with this guy defacing someone's property, regardless of his excuse for doing so.

Almost all the people whose houses he's painted something in have been happy with it, either because they sold it for a ton of money or because they liked the piece and kept it.


You got cites for that claim or are you pulling it out of your ases?
 
2013-10-18 11:11:22 AM  

fluffy2097: Sure seems like you were involved in his death to me.


I'm spooked.  Every 5th building on the north and northwest side was tagged by that little fark.  And it was more than well reported.  As for how property owners knew which one of the shiatbirds got fried?  Links to memorial pages, displaying thousands of images of his crimes/ work, in the comment section of every news story.  Not sure why the comments on this story were deleted... likely because there were more than a few property owners not lamenting his death and subsequent threats from his vandal friends. I'm sure if you look hard enough you can find the page where they vote for each other on who is "all-city" for any given year.  It's based on the amount of damage they do.  Meaning they base it on quantity not quality.

http://truenewsusa.blogspot.com/2013/05/chicago-tagger-gets-electric -c hair-19.html 

An angry property owner is sick of his property being destroyed and posted it on the internet?  High priority stuff.  Almost every night the NW side is on RAP (Radio Assignment Pending) that means there are no officers to take any calls at all... zero, none.  Sometimes it's only for a few hours... sometimes it's from 9pm to 8 am.  So go ahead and call the Town Hall desk Sgt and tell him a guy on the internet was happy a tagger fell to his death in May and is planning to repay several taggers by painting their families garages and cars.  That ought to be hoot. 

As for advertizing criminal property damage on the internet, each of these pricks has a webpage showing their work. 

http://flickrhivemind.net/flickr_hvmnd.cgi?search_domain=Tags&textin pu t=graffiti%2Cwerm&search_type=Search+Tags&photo_number=50&photo_type=2 50&sort=Interestingness&page=1&tag_mode=all

I'm sure they've got a team of detectives ready.  It's the future crime division right?  No it's the not sad, in fact happy, a criminal fell to his death division?  No actually it's the reads the local news that's pertinent to you and is able to recall it division?  No wait it's the tax payers sick and tired of criminals running amok while an understaffed police department does it's best top play catch up while officers we had last year are now assigned to "no snitchin" neighborhoods so relatively nice neighborhoods are now soft targets division?

Town Hall District.  Just west of Halsted on Addison.

So to summarize. I'm glad there is one less criminal who for years has damaged my property and taken money from my pocket. I actively cover graffiti and tags in my neighborhood and other neighborhoods on the north, northwest and west sides.  I plan on giving taggers a taste of their own medicine... although the date might now be fluid.  I had a few beers before the Thursday night game and announcing the date might not have been a good idea.  Or maybe I'll just make sure I'm in a business where I know I'm surrounded by friends and on time stamped video when the taggers homes end up getting tagged.  Also I will continue to aggressively fight to preserve my property and neighborhood and will not hesitate to defend myself when doing so.

Still interested in an actual answer to what you would do after more than a decade of constant property damage?
 
2013-10-18 11:13:54 AM  

WhyteRaven74: Giant Clown Shoe: you have no idea what you're talking about.

Neither do you.

in reality it never increases the value of private property.

Actually in some cases it does.

ReapTheChaos: Wrong.

Given there are people who seek out the people who do the really good work to put on their buildings on purpose? And that many are given sections of walls, sometimes massive sections, to do with as they see fit? I'm right.


Except that we're not talking about that here, we're talking about a guy that wants to put his art anywhere regardless of whether or not the property owner approves. All you're doing is making excuses for that.  I don't have a problem with a person putting art on a wall that he has permission to paint on, it's when he does it without the owners permission that it becomes vandalism, regardless of how you attempt to excuse it.
 
2013-10-18 11:14:44 AM  

Korzine: fluffy2097: Giant Clown Shoe: I'm taking it out on these little farks every chance I get.
Giant Clown Shoe: I don't give a rat's ass if what I'm doing is "right".
Giant Clown Shoe: I hope they all fall. I'm deadly serious.
Giant Clown Shoe: until one gets shot in one of my alleys. That would be a farking shame.
Giant Clown Shoe: How much would have to be stolen from you before you were willing to defend your property by taking a life?
Giant Clown Shoe: Under all the the tributes to the now dead "werm" in Chicago people have been adding things like "had a small cock", "liked it in the ass" and "got what he deserved". It warms my heart to see others in the fight the way the transformer warmed his now dead body
Giant Clown Shoe: I'm not claiming any moral high ground... fark that. I'm ready to get in the farking gutter.


Are... Are you a murderer?

/halp. I think we need an adult or a moderator in here or something.

Taggers are basically rapists. They destroy simply to get their jollies off at someone elses expense.


A lot of rape victims would have a problem with that attempted comparison.
 
2013-10-18 11:16:48 AM  

Lipspinach: ArcadianRefugee: 69gnarkill69: Clemkadidlefark: Banksy defaces private property. Fark him. Graffiti is for 60 year old squares and so yesterday it makes Britney Spears look current.

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Whatever dude.

And every one of those should have been sprayed over with random squiggles and bathroom-wall insults. After all, like Banksy himself said, "Any advert in a public space that gives you no choice whether you see it or not is yours. It's yours to take, re-arrange and re-use. You can do whatever you like with it. Asking for permission is like asking to keep a rock someone just threw at your head."

His art was an advert for him.

fark Banksy.

nipner: I'm laughing at all the anti-Banksy comments on here. Have you ever been to NYC?? It's riddled with gang graffiti and piss.

Which are also wrong and efforts to get rid of them should also be conducted. Just like with Banksy's graffiti.

nipner: Where's Bloomdouche's outrage at all of the other gang tagging that goes on every day and night?

Oh. I had forgotten that NYC had legalized such vandalism and is no longer attempting to prosecute those who do it or clean up their efforts. Got it.

LOL This thread really makes it easy to find out who some trolls are.


Amusing how some people throw the troll label at anyone who has a view different from their own.
 
2013-10-18 11:22:39 AM  

Hiro-ACiD: ManateeGag: Ricardo Klement: I'm generally not a fan of graffiti, but Banksy is an artist in the true meaning of the word.

And he should nevertheless pay for his crimes like anyone else.

B...b...b...but he's not hurting anyone and it's a stupid law anyway.  we should be able to break laws we don't agree with.

According to Martin Luther King we are not only able to break laws we disagree with, but obligated by our morality to openly break unjust laws. Imagine that.. in a country where money = speech the act of reclaiming public space for individual expression is an overtly political act, whatever you think of the artistic merits of individual works of graffiti.


I think it's insulting that you would compare people who fought for their rights, with an artist who is doing nothing more than stroking his ego.
 
2013-10-18 11:31:21 AM  

Latinwolf: 69gnarkill69: Clemkadidlefark: Banksy defaces private property. Fark him. Graffiti is for 60 year old squares and so yesterday it makes Britney Spears look current.

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Whatever dude.

Nice works of art, and you know what?  There are plenty of other graffiti artists out there that would not hesitate for a moment to put their tags right on top of those works of art because they also see themselves as artists.


Looks like someone did attempt to tag one of his works and got manhandled.
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2013-10-18 11:46:55 AM  

Giant Clown Shoe: Still interested in an actual answer to what you would do after more than a decade of constant property damage?


BTW I live just a bit east of Addison and Halsted. Strange that over the years I've never seen much tagging save for some random wannabe gang stuff once in a blue moon.
 
2013-10-18 12:01:56 PM  

WhyteRaven74: Giant Clown Shoe: Still interested in an actual answer to what you would do after more than a decade of constant property damage?

BTW I live just a bit east of Addison and Halsted. Strange that over the years I've never seen much tagging save for some random wannabe gang stuff once in a blue moon.


My properties are in Uptown, Edgewater, Logan Square and Avondale.  I'm looking at Portage Park right now too.  When there's blood ont eh street buy property.  People are freaking out with the shootings and the gang problems.  Lots of cops in Portage Park.  It will work itself out.

My office and another business is on Broadway... although south of Addison actually, sort of near Barry.  And this building has been tagged.  Although the problems here presently is more assaults and armed robberies.  As you know if you actually live here.

I live in Irving Park.
 
2013-10-18 12:04:35 PM  

WhyteRaven74: Giant Clown Shoe: you have no idea what you're talking about.

Neither do you.

in reality it never increases the value of private property.

Actually in some cases it does.

ReapTheChaos: Wrong.

Given there are people who seek out the people who do the really good work to put on their buildings on purpose? And that many are given sections of walls, sometimes massive sections, to do with as they see fit? I'm right.


There's a lot of things people do intentionally to a home or building that will decreases the value of it. If I paint my house neon orange, the fact that I like it has no bearing on the fact that I have now made my house and the houses in the surrounding neighborhood worth less money.

Graffiti, whether it's a bunch of gang-bangers tagging the side of a building or an artist painting some psychedelic mural, will always devalue the property as well as those around it. There will never be a single instance where it's otherwise.
 
2013-10-18 12:43:46 PM  

Giant Clown Shoe: WhyteRaven74: Giant Clown Shoe: Still interested in an actual answer to what you would do after more than a decade of constant property damage?

BTW I live just a bit east of Addison and Halsted. Strange that over the years I've never seen much tagging save for some random wannabe gang stuff once in a blue moon.

My properties are in Uptown, Edgewater, Logan Square and Avondale.  I'm looking at Portage Park right now too.  When there's blood ont eh street buy property.  People are freaking out with the shootings and the gang problems.  Lots of cops in Portage Park.  It will work itself out.

My office and another business is on Broadway... although south of Addison actually, sort of near Barry.  And this building has been tagged.  Although the problems here presently is more assaults and armed robberies.  As you know if you actually live here.

I live in Irving Park.


Good. Now I know which department to send this thread to, so they know who to charge when you go on your own personal tagging spree.

/I'll be watching the police blotter like I Normally do anyways.
//"Angry old man arrested for tagging suburban home" has a nice newsy ring to it.
 
2013-10-18 12:46:15 PM  

Giant Clown Shoe: I had a few beers before the Thursday night game and announcing the date might not have been a good idea. Or maybe I'll just make sure I'm in a business where I know I'm surrounded by friends and on time stamped video when the taggers homes end up getting tagged. Also I will continue to aggressively fight to preserve my property and neighborhood and will not hesitate to defend myself when doing so.

Still interested in an actual answer to what you would do after more than a decade of constant property damage?


You realize that this still proves motive and intent right?

/first degree murder here we come.
//Can I call you Mr. Zimmerman?
 
2013-10-18 02:32:54 PM  

Latinwolf: Lipspinach: ArcadianRefugee: 69gnarkill69: Clemkadidlefark: Banksy defaces private property. Fark him. Graffiti is for 60 year old squares and so yesterday it makes Britney Spears look current.

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Whatever dude.

And every one of those should have been sprayed over with random squiggles and bathroom-wall insults. After all, like Banksy himself said, "Any advert in a public space that gives you no choice whether you see it or not is yours. It's yours to take, re-arrange and re-use. You can do whatever you like with it. Asking for permission is like asking to keep a rock someone just threw at your head."

His art was an advert for him.

fark Banksy.

nipner: I'm laughing at all the anti-Banksy comments on here. Have you ever been to NYC?? It's riddled with gang graffiti and piss.

Which are also wrong and efforts to get rid of them should also be conducted. Just like with Banksy's graffiti.

nipner: Where's Bloomdouche's outrage at all of the other gang tagging that goes on every day and night?

Oh. I had forgotten that NYC had legalized such vandalism and is no longer attempting to prosecute those who do it or clean up their efforts. Got it.

LOL This thread really makes it easy to find out who some trolls are.

Amusing how some people throw the troll label at anyone who has a view different from their own.


Yeah, you can say that, sure. I can't remember if I was responding to you or not, but what I meant was that there is  lot of people in this thread saying "All graffiti is garbage! That's not art! Private property & such! String the bastard up!". Is not complaining for the sake of complaining pretty much the definition of trolling?

Whether you like it or not, what Banksy does on walls (or wherever) is a hell of a lot better than all that tagging nonsense and also comparable to stuff in galleries. I imagine a lot of what their idea of "art" is, is what is hanging on the gift-shop wall or over the couch in their parents living room.

I hope I explained myself well enough for you.
 
2013-10-18 04:58:56 PM  
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