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(Wisconsin State Journal)   Gov. Walker-backed open pit-mine project hid survey that showed 100s of pounds of asbestos on site, and some no-good job-hating liberals have a problem with this   (host.madison.com) divider line 34
    More: Obvious, Wisconsin, Wisconsin Department of Natural Resources, paid survey, asbestos, mesothelioma, U.S. Steel, lung disease, worker safety  
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2013-10-17 04:34:44 PM
It's just cancer, get over it libs.
 
2013-10-17 04:38:20 PM
FAS
 
2013-10-17 04:38:58 PM
If they can mine without kicking enough asbestos up into the air to cause problems, all the more power to them.

Doubt this is going to be the case though.
 
2013-10-17 04:39:22 PM
media.jrn.com

Divide and conquer cancer indeed, eh Scott?
 
2013-10-17 04:39:24 PM
The free market will self-regulate all that cancer, because Jesus and unions bad.
 
2013-10-17 04:41:05 PM
More cancer, less healthcare. Yay Capitalism!
 
2013-10-17 04:42:38 PM
Golly, more Walker doing bad things? Man, my state must be just thriving right now under his leadership! Jerbs for all!
 
2013-10-17 04:44:33 PM
It's a mineral. Where did you expect to find it?
 
2013-10-17 04:46:22 PM

Chakro: It's a mineral.


You got that right.
 
2013-10-17 04:47:07 PM
100s? Like longer cigarettes?
 
2013-10-17 04:47:52 PM

SilentStrider: It's just cancer, get over it libs.


If you were truly a Christian then you'd be rich and wouldn't have to do (shudder) manual labor to survive.

Accept your divine mesothelioma, peasant.
 
2013-10-17 04:52:12 PM

super_grass: If they can mine without kicking enough asbestos up into the air to cause problems, all the more power to them.

Doubt this is going to be the case though.


So long as they can reduce the amount of particulate in the air, adequate safety measures are provided for employees, workers compensation includes asbestos-related health care, and a trust can provide for workers who get sick far in the future.

Oh, and workers are aware of the risks involved and how the company will provide for them if they experience asbestos-related illness.
 
2013-10-17 04:52:23 PM

super_grass: If they can mine without kicking enough asbestos up into the air to cause problems, all the more power to them.

Doubt this is going to be the case though.


Pretty much came here to say this... "Asbestos" is like "radiation". People use it all of the time without knowing what the words really mean. I agree that it will be tough, but it's not quite what the headline is making it out to be.
 
2013-10-17 04:53:34 PM
Looks like Walker and Rick Scott have a bet going to see who can destroy their state more in four years.

Hard to say who is winning so far.
 
2013-10-17 04:54:02 PM
 
2013-10-17 04:55:47 PM

Mikey1969: super_grass: If they can mine without kicking enough asbestos up into the air to cause problems, all the more power to them.

Doubt this is going to be the case though.

Pretty much came here to say this... "Asbestos" is like "radiation". People use it all of the time without knowing what the words really mean. I agree that it will be tough, but it's not quite what the headline is making it out to be.


they hid that it existed and tried to get a bill passed that would make it much harder for those suffering from asbestos to get access to funds setup for them. This is not an oversight, this is malice and they got caught. They never had an intention of doing this in a safe way
 
2013-10-17 04:58:17 PM

wesmon: Looks like Walker and Rick Scott have a bet going to see who can destroy their state more in four years.

Hard to say who is winning so far.


Rick Scott's doing a fine job with the whole Lake Okeechobee debacle.

But of course according to him it's all Obama's fault.

http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/09/25/3650489/scott-chides-obama-on- re duced.html
 
2013-10-17 05:02:54 PM

zedster: Mikey1969: super_grass: If they can mine without kicking enough asbestos up into the air to cause problems, all the more power to them.

Doubt this is going to be the case though.

Pretty much came here to say this... "Asbestos" is like "radiation". People use it all of the time without knowing what the words really mean. I agree that it will be tough, but it's not quite what the headline is making it out to be.

they hid that it existed and tried to get a bill passed that would make it much harder for those suffering from asbestos to get access to funds setup for them. This is not an oversight, this is malice and they got caught. They never had an intention of doing this in a safe way


The point is that the word "asbestos" makes people run screaming for the hills. That was what I was really trying to say. I don't have a lot of faith that they are acting in anybody's best interest, but it would still be safe if it were done correctly. Asbestos needs to get in your lungs...
 
2013-10-17 05:09:40 PM

Mikey1969: super_grass: If they can mine without kicking enough asbestos up into the air to cause problems, all the more power to them.

Doubt this is going to be the case though.

Pretty much came here to say this... "Asbestos" is like "radiation". People use it all of the time without knowing what the words really mean. I agree that it will be tough, but it's not quite what the headline is making it out to be.


Just don't tell people how radioactive the tailings from phosphate mines for fertilizer are.

I work cleaning up radioactive waste sites for the Army and it sometimes amazes me what low levels we're actually trying to achieve at some very small locations, while you can drive past miles and miles of phosphate mine tailings in Florida which carry orders of magnitude more radiation that no one has ever been worried about for decades.
 
2013-10-17 05:15:11 PM
Mining engineer and regularly accused of being a flaming liberal.

I have no problem with this and see minimal risk.  Most people don't know shiat about asbestos (hint:  there's multiple kinds).
 
2013-10-17 05:23:35 PM

error 303: Mikey1969: super_grass: If they can mine without kicking enough asbestos up into the air to cause problems, all the more power to them.

Doubt this is going to be the case though.

Pretty much came here to say this... "Asbestos" is like "radiation". People use it all of the time without knowing what the words really mean. I agree that it will be tough, but it's not quite what the headline is making it out to be.

Just don't tell people how radioactive the tailings from phosphate mines for fertilizer are.

I work cleaning up radioactive waste sites for the Army and it sometimes amazes me what low levels we're actually trying to achieve at some very small locations, while you can drive past miles and miles of phosphate mine tailings in Florida which carry orders of magnitude more radiation that no one has ever been worried about for decades.


When I was a kid, my adoptive dad worked for FMC, who apparently do a little of everything, but the place in Idaho processed phosphorus, and next door was a fertilizer company with a literal mountain of gypsum, which was not only their waste product, but absolutely free to load your pickup with and use at home. From what I understand, that stuff isn't so wonderful for the lungs either, so it was kinda a double whammy thru that neck of the woods for awhile.
 
2013-10-17 06:01:24 PM
Bob Seitz, a spokesman for Gogebic Taconite, said Tuesday there are ways to address the release of any asbestos during the mining process, where rocks are crushed and the iron ore extracted with magnets. He says it could as simple as using water to control dust at the site.

Me:  But then what would you do with the asbestos-contaminated water?
Bob Seitz:  *drops smoke bomb*
 
2013-10-17 06:34:46 PM
"hundreds of pounds"?  That's at least a enough to fill the trunk of a mid-size car.

ShutEverythingDowNow.jpg
 
2013-10-17 06:51:00 PM

Mentat: Bob Seitz, a spokesman for Gogebic Taconite, said Tuesday there are ways to address the release of any asbestos during the mining process, where rocks are crushed and the iron ore extracted with magnets. He says it could as simple as using water to control dust at the site.

Me:  But then what would you do with the asbestos-contaminated water?
Bob Seitz:  *drops smoke bomb*


Honestly, it could probably just be filtered. Asbestos isn't harmful unless inhaled. So anything that prevents it from becoming a dust basically prevents it from being harmful.
 
2013-10-17 07:37:23 PM
dam enviro-nazis, always trying to destroy ameriku's business
 
2013-10-17 07:42:39 PM

Zeb Hesselgresser: "hundreds of pounds"?  That's at least a enough to fill the trunk of a mid-size car.

ShutEverythingDowNow.jpg


I'm sure you'd be thrilled about filling the trunk of your car with a toxic substance.
 
2013-10-17 08:21:46 PM
they should move the gov's mansion next to the open pit.
 
2013-10-17 08:23:02 PM
Deneb81
Honestly, it could probably just be filtered. Asbestos isn't harmful unless inhaled. So anything that prevents it from becoming a dust basically prevents it from being harmful.

Meanwhile, back in reality, what will actually happen is that they'll store it all in huge holding ponds, which occasionally leak or break, then not deal with it until the mining is done, then split the liabilities into a shell corporation and have it declare bankruptcy.

Do you want to know why we're so against this farking mine? Because we've been farking paying attention to the other ones.
 
2013-10-17 09:15:08 PM
Meh. If you live in pretty much any city in the US, you've probably got asbestos concrete water mains under the street, either ones that are still in use or that have been abandoned in place. It gets funny when people start demanding their removal (which would release way more asbestos than leaving the pipe underground ever woud).

/Once saw some asbestos floor tiles that had become radioactive due to some 36Cl being spilled on it
//Disposal nightmare, that one. There is exactly one landfill out there that takes both asbestos and low level radioactive waste
///Believe it is in Utah, if memory serves
 
2013-10-17 10:15:01 PM

Mentat: Bob Seitz, a spokesman for Gogebic Taconite, said Tuesday there are ways to address the release of any asbestos during the mining process, where rocks are crushed and the iron ore extracted with magnets. He says it could as simple as using water to control dust at the site.

Me:  But then what would you do with the asbestos-contaminated water?
Bob Seitz:  *drops smoke bomb*


The proper handling for a lot of asbestos is to wet it down till it's saturated and then dump it in a trash bin. Asbestos is only harmful if consumed. Contact with it on the skin is minimally dangerous.

qorkfiend: Zeb Hesselgresser: "hundreds of pounds"?  That's at least a enough to fill the trunk of a mid-size car.

ShutEverythingDowNow.jpg

I'm sure you'd be thrilled about filling the trunk of your car with a toxic substance.


A car is made out of toxic substances. Try not to breathe in the asbestos and you'll be fine.
 
2013-10-17 10:15:16 PM

Mentat: Bob Seitz, a spokesman for Gogebic Taconite, said Tuesday there are ways to address the release of any asbestos during the mining process, where rocks are crushed and the iron ore extracted with magnets. He says it could as simple as using water to control dust at the site.

Me:  But then what would you do with the asbestos-contaminated water?
Bob Seitz:  *drops smoke bomb*


I'm a bleeding heart liberal but this is moronic. The water keeps the dust down, and when the water evaporates, the dust isn't in it.
 
2013-10-18 05:49:05 AM
So, if it was perfectly harmless and not a problem, why did they hide it?  Is industry and government getting together to hide stuff good now?
 
2013-10-18 08:48:55 AM
So, he now wants to turn Wisconsin into Libby, Montana?

I guess asbestos on the local high school football field is nothing to worry about.
 
2013-10-18 09:23:03 AM
Laser like focus on jobs there Scooter.
 
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