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(Hudson Valley Reporter)   A natural gas pipeline, a megawatt power line, and a nuclear power plant all converge along a river upstream from New York City. What could possibly go wrong?   (hudsonvalleyreporter.com ) divider line
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2013-10-17 02:21:30 PM  

skozlaw: You're really going to make me sit here and explain to you how indefinite articles work, aren't you?


Because 'a' really means 'the' when I want it to, amiright?  lol, keep trying to justify you retarded comment.
 
2013-10-17 02:28:10 PM  
Envitmentalists are pretty much as bad as teabaggers.
 
2013-10-17 02:29:03 PM  
Envitmentalists

Yeah. Not sure what happened there.
 
2013-10-17 02:30:14 PM  

skozlaw: Lots of things could go wrong.

Probably nothing will though. Not sure why that's scary. Unless you mean the pipeline. I, personally, would rather not live anywhere near a NG pipeline.

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Don't the lines that go to houses tend to go boom more than the really big lines?

As well as the houses that use gas, never heard of a house going BOOM because of an electricity leak.

There now you have justification for not liking any NG pipeline.
 
2013-10-17 02:30:19 PM  

HeadLever: Because 'a' really means 'the' when I want it to, amiright?


Gee, I dunno. Let's consult a dictionary.

a
indefinite article
1.
not any particular or certain one of a class or group: a man; a chemical; a house.
2.
a certain; a particular: one at a time; two of a kind; A Miss Johnson called.
3.
another; one typically resembling: a Cicero in eloquence; a Jonah.
4.
one (used before plural nouns that are preceded by a quantifier singular in form): a hundred men (compare hundreds of men ); a dozen times (compare dozens of times ).
5.
indefinitely or nonspecifically (used with adjectives expressing number): a great many years; a few stars.

I'm not crapping this thread up over your retarded bullshiat anymore. You just wanted a reason to yell NIMBY and even though you utterly failed at establishing one you did anyway. Congratulations. Now go be stupid somewhere else.
 
2013-10-17 02:30:41 PM  
Your database could go down!
 
2013-10-17 02:34:58 PM  

Jeng: There now you have justification for not liking any NG pipeline.


I don't need a justification because that wasn't my position. Headlever is just being retarded because he wanted a reason to press an agenda and decided to intentionally misread what I wrote to try and force it.

If you read my original post the whole point was to mock submitter's tag choice and headline because I wouldn't expect any of the three to be particularly problematic.
 
2013-10-17 02:37:43 PM  

skozlaw: You just wanted a reason to yell NIMBY and even though you utterly failed at establishing one you did anyway



skozlaw: Lots of things could go wrong.

Probably nothing will though. Not sure why that's scary. Unless you mean the pipeline. I, personally, would rather not live anywhere near a NG pipeline.


Um, you do realize that you indeed a NIMBY?  You do not want it in your backyard, you are a NIMBY, there is no argument against that.

The "a" pipeline vs "the" pipeline argument is pretty damn dumb, but you don't want the project anywhere near you, that makes you a NIMBY.
 
2013-10-17 02:39:15 PM  
are these the same geniuses that did that interactive map of gun owners?
 
2013-10-17 02:39:43 PM  

skozlaw: Gee, I dunno. Let's consult a dictionary.


So 'a' means not any particular or certain one of a class, but yet you are pretending that it means a specific pipe you were discussing earlier?  Sounds like that would be a good use of the word 'the', donchathink?

Just keep digging dude you are not helping yourself.
 
2013-10-17 02:40:07 PM  
Came for the Calvin & Hobbes Farmer Brown reference, leaving satisfied......
 
2013-10-17 02:42:17 PM  

skozlaw: and decided to intentionally misread what I wrote to try and force it.


Fixed.

You did it all on your own.  Not my fault you were called out on your dumbass and NIMBish remarks.  Remember, it is not just me that called you out on this.
 
2013-10-17 02:42:25 PM  

Jeng: that makes you a NIMBY.


I didn't disagree, I just said he wanted to yell it. And he did.
 
2013-10-17 02:49:43 PM  
The power line project has been going on for over a year now. I see its construction progress everyday. Where their at it is probably in the land clearing stage. Here, it is going vertical now.
And they are at the point of being able to pump NG, but have no where to pump it to because capacity is maxed. Also watched a major pipeline for that going in.
The power line project was very contraversal. It is cutting across mountain tops and is very visable. Most didn't want it because of that and they were affected by the looks, and, didn't profit from it.
The gas line went thru without a hitch or a squeak. But people here, big people, looking at you Corbett, benifitted from it.
 
2013-10-17 02:57:02 PM  

skozlaw: HeadLever: Because 'a' really means 'the' when I want it to, amiright?

Gee, I dunno. Let's consult a dictionary.

a
indefinite article
1.
not any particular or certain one of a class or group: a man; a chemical; a house.
2.
a certain; a particular: one at a time; two of a kind; A Miss Johnson called.
3.
another; one typically resembling: a Cicero in eloquence; a Jonah.
4.
one (used before plural nouns that are preceded by a quantifier singular in form): a hundred men (compare hundreds of men ); a dozen times (compare dozens of times ).
5.
indefinitely or nonspecifically (used with adjectives expressing number): a great many years; a few stars.
I'm not crapping this thread up over your retarded bullshiat anymore. You just wanted a reason to yell NIMBY and even though you utterly failed at establishing one you did anyway. Congratulations. Now go be stupid somewhere else.


And THIS, kids, is how you thread jack.
 
2013-10-17 03:02:56 PM  

Gyrfalcon: And THIS, kids, is how you thread jack.


No, I think I'm just not smart enough to realize when I'm being trolled...
 
2013-10-17 03:22:21 PM  

Geriatric Goodman Brown: tommyl66: Didn't Calvin and Hobbes already cover this?

Came for this, did it myself.

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Came for this too. I prefer it when the other party does all the work.
 
2013-10-17 03:24:30 PM  
The quotes are pure gold

"I've lived here my whole life, and for this to happen likes this, 1,2,3, is unbelievable," Fonti said. "How can this be done without us knowing about it until the last minute? My house...how are we going to live? How are we going to survive? How are we going to move around with all this stuff going on?"
 
2013-10-17 03:41:10 PM  

Geriatric Goodman Brown: tommyl66: Didn't Calvin and Hobbes already cover this?

Came for this, did it myself.

[images.wikia.com image 850x591]


Still makes me laugh...

RIP Calvin
 
2013-10-17 03:41:36 PM  

Geriatric Goodman Brown: tommyl66: Didn't Calvin and Hobbes already cover this?

Came for this, did it myself.

[images.wikia.com image 850x591]


i1182.photobucket.com
 
2013-10-17 03:48:11 PM  
What could possibly go wrong?

Besides the fault line that runs under the nuclear plant?
 
2013-10-17 03:51:10 PM  
so.
 
2013-10-17 03:59:18 PM  
More like, "What can't go RIGHT??????"


/amirite?
 
2013-10-17 04:16:50 PM  
Anyone against this is automatically a NIMBY or an environmentalist? OK.....

You say that like it's a problem that we want to live in an area that has the benefits of natural beauty and being close to major metropolitan areas.

You'd say the same if you owned property. I'm not against ANY infrastructure building, but if you're going to update any, do it next to the already existing infrastructure. That's what they're doing with the Tappan Zee Bridge.
 
2013-10-17 04:18:52 PM  
The Pipeline and Hazardous Materials Safety Administration (PHMSA) is closed due to a lapse in federal funding.

i1350.photobucket.com
 
2013-10-17 04:24:20 PM  

mainstreet62: You'd say the same if you owned property. I'm not against ANY infrastructure building, but if you're going to update any, do it next to the already existing infrastructure. That's what they're doing with the Tappan Zee Bridge.


Depends. Sometimes the problem, especially in some parts of the northeast where it's heavily populated, becomes that you get people that want everything for nothing. For example, they'll want better electrical infrastructure because aging lines in their area lead to blackouts. But the first time the company tries to put a substation in to support it, they scream bloody hell. So the company says "fine, but if you want it out in Buttfark, Nowhere where you can't see it it'll going to cost you an extra $20 on your bill every month for the next five years because now we have to string six miles of high tension cable" at which point they promptly scream about THAT.

That, I think, is the proper spirit of the "NIMBY" label. People who want the benefits of progress but don't want to accept any of the costs.
 
2013-10-17 04:25:33 PM  

ikanreed: Yes, let's NOT have high-power lines coming off of power plants.

What is this headline even trying to say?  2 pieces of infrastructure coexist?  Oh no! Are the roads there too?


Came for this... thanks.
 
2013-10-17 04:26:27 PM  
Each of those things in isolation have things that could potentially go wrong with them. Combined, they each have the same likelihood of those things going wrong.

A reactor containment building designed to take a hit from a 707 jet isn't going to be bothered by a natural gas leak and explosion 1.2 miles away, even if it is a 42" pipeline.
 
2013-10-17 04:28:35 PM  
Not sure I would want a natural gas line near a nuclear power plant. Then again I wouldn't want to live near a nuclear power plant anyway. My later father in law and his two brothers were working at Chalk River in 1957 when they had the accident there at the NPP. It leaked radioactive water and steam. My FIL two brothers died of pancreatic cancer in the 70s, my FIL passed away in 2006 of liver cancer.
 
2013-10-17 04:40:03 PM  
I

lilbjorn: What could possibly go wrong?

Besides the fault line that runs under the nuclear plant?


Yeah, subby's headline seems generally alarmist about normal energy infrastructure, while ignoring that the fault line less than a mile from the reactors is already a huge risk. The AEC didn't know they were building next to the longest fault line in the northeast when they approved the reactor designs, or they'd have at least required them to be more earthquake resistant. Indian Point's reactor #3 has topped the NRC's annual "likeliest meltdown from an earthquake" assessments for several years running.

Also of concern is the underlying reason for the larger gas pipeline: to move gas from large-scale fracking projects in the area. New York remains one of the last three states with such projects that refuse to impose any regulation or licensing on the industry. Scientific evidence increasingly points to fracking as a cause of increased seismic activity, but not precisely enough to alter NRC risk assessments, so they're sticking with the suspiciously round figure of "1 in 10,000" annual risk of earthquake-caused core damage for reactor 3.
 
2013-10-17 05:55:19 PM  
My only thought: Metalocalypse episode in real life.
 
2013-10-17 08:35:44 PM  
HeadLever
Cow farts?

ironic way to describe what NG isn't
 
2013-10-17 08:54:36 PM  
Subby, you neglected to mention the proximity of the Ramapo Fault and the lack of things-being-built-to-earthquake-zone standards.
 
2013-10-17 09:10:28 PM  

kindms: skozlaw: Lots of things could go wrong.

Probably nothing will though. Not sure why that's scary. Unless you mean the pipeline. I, personally, would rather not live anywhere near a NG pipeline.

Why ? Cheapest way to heat your home by far.


I concur.  And I live less than a mile away from one of those compressors.
 
2013-10-17 11:15:20 PM  
PAYPAL ME MONEY! EIP!


/ I know that's a threadjack, which in this case is a good thing.
// I really would like donations to my whiskey fund.
/// I promise to spend 100% of any donations for whiskey.
 
2013-10-18 10:42:40 PM  
The article says much of the pipeline in the area will be built along existing rights-of-way. There's already a 26 inch pipeline that they want to upgrade to 42 inches for the extra capacity. I'm okay with this, as they already have a pipe in the ground, with the trees cut.

Personally, I have a problem with 'new' pipelines being proposed. There's one that's mapped out to go right across my property, adjacent to state forest land. They want me to sign over the land, so they can cut down a 75 foot wide path that will never have another tree grow on it, and put a pipeline in. No farking way. My property value will be nil after their couple thousand dollar one time payment. They had options to put it along the interstate, but picked forested land because it would be less of a hassle. I see two main strategies: the energy company wants another pipeline in NYS not to move gas, but to entice NYS to open land for fracking, and to put the pipeline through as much potential fracking land as possible (no fracking in towns, so hit every farm and forest on the way). If energy companies were just worried about moving gas from point A to point B, they could upgrade existing trunk lines, like proposed in the article.

/the pipeline proposed on my land is called the Constitution Pipeline. MURRICA, fark yeah! If you don't like the pipeline, you're an un-American commie pinko traitor!
 
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