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(Hudson Valley Reporter)   A natural gas pipeline, a megawatt power line, and a nuclear power plant all converge along a river upstream from New York City. What could possibly go wrong?   (hudsonvalleyreporter.com) divider line 86
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2013-10-17 12:59:52 PM
fc01.deviantart.net
 
2013-10-17 01:00:01 PM
Yes, let's NOT have high-power lines coming off of power plants.

What is this headline even trying to say?  2 pieces of infrastructure coexist?  Oh no! Are the roads there too?
 
2013-10-17 01:00:35 PM
Lots of things could go wrong.

Probably nothing will though. Not sure why that's scary. Unless you mean the pipeline. I, personally, would rather not live anywhere near a NG pipeline.
 
2013-10-17 01:01:15 PM
Nobody brought marshmallows?
 
2013-10-17 01:02:07 PM
That "sploosh" you just heard was Michael Bay...
 
2013-10-17 01:02:23 PM
I spilled my beer?
 
2013-10-17 01:03:11 PM
Didn't Calvin and Hobbes already cover this?
 
2013-10-17 01:05:25 PM
I was going to post something, but then I got distracted.  Darkwing Duck was my jam when I was a kid.  I loved that show.
 
2013-10-17 01:06:40 PM

skozlaw: Lots of things could go wrong.

Probably nothing will though. Not sure why that's scary. Unless you mean the pipeline. I, personally, would rather not live anywhere near a NG pipeline.


Yeah, that probably poses the single highest risk, but its coexistence with a nuke plant doesn't pose any additional risk.  Subby is kinda dumb.
 
2013-10-17 01:06:52 PM
farking Obama.
 
2013-10-17 01:07:14 PM

tommyl66: Didn't Calvin and Hobbes already cover this?


Came for this, did it myself.

images.wikia.com
 
2013-10-17 01:08:31 PM
images.jayisgames.com

Explosions?
 
2013-10-17 01:09:02 PM
Just one megawatt power line?  They're going to have trouble doing something with the gigawatt coming out of that nuclear plant, then.
 
2013-10-17 01:09:45 PM

ikanreed: Yes, let's NOT have high-power lines coming off of power plants.


But it is a MEGAWATT POWERLINE!!!!  MEGAWATTTTTTTT!!!!leleventy11.

It is apparently so bad that it crashs every website that dares to expose this evil conjunciton of infrastructure.
 
2013-10-17 01:09:45 PM
[excitedly]

Hopefully everything!
 
2013-10-17 01:12:40 PM
bnn-news.com
 
2013-10-17 01:12:50 PM

skozlaw: Lots of things could go wrong.

Probably nothing will though. Not sure why that's scary. Unless you mean the pipeline. I, personally, would rather not live anywhere near a NG pipeline.




data-informed.com
 
2013-10-17 01:13:16 PM

skozlaw: I, personally, would rather not live anywhere near a NG pipeline.


You likely have one buried out in the street outside your residence.  Gas lines are just as common as water and sewer lines.  What do you think that most folks heat thier house and water with?  Cow farts?
 
2013-10-17 01:13:39 PM
I live in Rockland County, which is just across the Hudson River from Westchester.

These are not the only projects being proposed in this area. There's also a desalinization plant proposed downstream from the Indian Point nuclear power plant, in addition to at least 2 smaller scale projects (close together) that people are up in arms about. One is a new Walmart (hell no) and one is the destruction of a farm property to build housing. If you want specifics, it's the Patrick Farms project.

The only successful project I think that has happened in Rockland recently is the overhaul at the Shops of Nanuet. The Palisades Center mall was put up way too fast, and resulted in the flooding of roads near there which needed a ton of money to fix.

Of course, a lot of the bad/failed projects in Rockland County can be attributed to bad government. Christopher St. Lawrence is the worst offender, he built Provident Bank Ballpark (where the AA Rockland Boulders play baseball) using shady tactics. I believe 71% of the voters in the district of Ramapo rejected building it.

In addition to building an unwanted building of that scale, CSL still hasn't released the accounting data for 2012 yet. It was due in March. His offices at Ramapo Town Hall got raided in May by the FBI, mostly because he didn't release the data, and partly because he is under investigation for other crap.

If you all thought politics in New York City were bad, the Hudson Valley is an absolute cesspool with filthy no good pieces of shiat like Christopher St. Lawrence.

Anyway, we Rocklanders are OK with building stuff as long as it preserves the beauty of our homes and the environment. If it doesn't, the GFY.
 
2013-10-17 01:14:20 PM
Great.  Just a couple miles from us.  In laws live right on the river there.
 
2013-10-17 01:14:25 PM
The powerplant and pipeline are over a mile apart.

If something big enough happens at one to affect the other, you're not really going to care that the other one is there.  Because its gonna be really big on its own.
 
2013-10-17 01:14:55 PM

hasty ambush: skozlaw: Lots of things could go wrong.

Probably nothing will though. Not sure why that's scary. Unless you mean the pipeline. I, personally, would rather not live anywhere near a NG pipeline.

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That is just the transmission mainlines. If you wanted to add in the distribution lines, that map would be pretty much covered.
 
2013-10-17 01:14:57 PM
Will somebody please immanentize the eschaton? I've been waiting a lifetime and the latest political antics are the closest it's come this century.
 
2013-10-17 01:16:27 PM

hasty ambush: data-informed.com


That's the final straw!  Now I'll never move to Oklahoma City.
 
2013-10-17 01:16:46 PM
Holy shiat! I have a natural gas pipeline and high voltage power lines running in the alleyway behind my house. WE'RE ALL GUNNA DIE!!!
 
2013-10-17 01:24:32 PM
In all seriousness, the hysteria that this type of artilce tries to encite is just more reason why it is so expensive and diffuclut to get any infrastructure built in this country.  Combine the power of the NIMBYs, enviros, 'NO PORK' and 'NO NEW TAXES' crowd and it is no wonder why things are falling apart and the ASCE gives us Ds on all of our infrastrucutre.
 
2013-10-17 01:24:36 PM

skozlaw: Lots of things could go wrong.

Probably nothing will though. Not sure why that's scary. Unless you mean the pipeline. I, personally, would rather not live anywhere near a NG pipeline.


Why ? Cheapest way to heat your home by far.
 
2013-10-17 01:26:12 PM
Worst case scenario:

The pipeline ruptures, killing a few hundred people and opening up a 1000' crater.  This trips the seismic activity alarms at Indian Point, causing Unit 3 to shutdown.  A fragment of the pipeline hits a transmission line, ripping down the tower which causes a blackout to cascade through the region.  Indian Point operators violated every single safety regulation and had all backup power systems for the unit offline for maintenance so they can't run the emergency cooling pumps.  Fortunately, Unit 2's license was not renewed so they were able to use those generators with a quick cable run.  Nothing major happens other than a slightly low water level and higher than normal temperature and pressure, but it doesn't trigger any emergency release valves.  Due to the brief temperature excursion they have to do a complete inspection of the reactor, cooling systems, heat exchanger and also do a complete change out of the fuel.  This is a very expensive operation but was necessary for the upcoming license renewal.  Unfortunately this indicated to the NRC that the plant operator should not be trusted with a nuclear power plant and it is permanently shutdown.  1200 jobs are lost and the community is devastated.  Even worse, Entergy is forced out of the nuclear power business and their stock price takes a hit, causing the pensions of every single current and former Entergy employee to evaporate overnight.
 
2013-10-17 01:26:57 PM

HeadLever: skozlaw: I, personally, would rather not live anywhere near a NG pipeline.

You likely have one buried out in the street outside your residence.  Gas lines are just as common as water and sewer lines.  What do you think that most folks heat thier house and water with?  Cow farts?


You think that most people have a 42" gas pipeline outside their house?
 
2013-10-17 01:30:01 PM

joeflood: Worst case scenario:


Worst case scenario: The natural gas pipeline comes alive (ala Ghostbusters) and decides to dominate the people of earth (ala Pacific Rim) but realizes that it unfortunately cannot move. It simmers with hatred for 30 years until the line is decommissioned.
 
2013-10-17 01:30:03 PM

HeadLever: You likely have one buried out in the street outside your residence.


kindms: Why ? Cheapest way to heat your home by far.


You know what I meant, don't be intentionally obtuse.
 
2013-10-17 01:30:57 PM

kindms: skozlaw: Lots of things could go wrong.

Probably nothing will though. Not sure why that's scary. Unless you mean the pipeline. I, personally, would rather not live anywhere near a NG pipeline.

Why ? Cheapest way to heat your home by far.


Yea I hated when my heating bill went from $300 a month in winter to $125 when I switch from oil to gas.
 
2013-10-17 01:30:57 PM

Fubini: You think that most people have a 42" gas pipeline outside their house?


No - do you have reading comprehension issues?  That was not the point I was responding to.  Please read it again.
 
2013-10-17 01:31:53 PM
oopsy ... nice planning there lou.
 
2013-10-17 01:32:20 PM
What could possibly go wrong

Lack of crowd control from all the folks skulking about hoping to pick up the stray superpower from the convergence?
 
2013-10-17 01:33:15 PM

skozlaw: You know what I meant, don't be intentionally obtuse.


The only thing that we know what you meant is from what you actually wrote in your post, "I, personally, would rather not live anywhere near a NG pipeline."

That is pretty straightforward. If you meant something else, you should have said something else.
 
2013-10-17 01:33:32 PM
A megawatt?  The whole thing? Good God we are all going to die. Indina Point runs closer to 1400 megawatts.
 
2013-10-17 01:37:27 PM
We have Niagara Falls in our backyards, imagine that blowing up.
 
2013-10-17 01:39:28 PM
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2013-10-17 01:41:59 PM

HeadLever: In all seriousness, the hysteria that this type of artilce tries to encite is just more reason why it is so expensive and diffuclut to get any infrastructure built in this country.  Combine the power of the NIMBYs, enviros, 'NO PORK' and 'NO NEW TAXES' crowd and it is no wonder why things are falling apart and the ASCE gives us Ds on all of our infrastrucutre.


Pretty much. It reminds me of all the mysterious sicknesses people claim when windmills are put up.

Alternate 1: Hysteria anyone mentions large amounts of gas, electricity, or mentions "chemicals" at all.

Alternate 2: No brown-outs, clean water, and clean air.
 
2013-10-17 01:44:07 PM

HeadLever: skozlaw: You know what I meant, don't be intentionally obtuse.

The only thing that we know...

I'm going to go out on a limb and suggest you probably shouldn't speak for anyone else in this thread.

 
2013-10-17 01:48:15 PM

skozlaw: I'm going to go out on a limb and suggest you probably shouldn't speak for anyone else in this thread.


And might I suggest that you shouldn't write something and then pretend that is not at all what you meant.
 
2013-10-17 01:52:38 PM

Deep Contact: We have Niagara Falls in our backyards, imagine that blowing up.


Now that's one for Michael Bay to tackle.
 
2013-10-17 01:52:48 PM
upload.wikimedia.org

Let's strike at their non-shiny metal techologicaly advanced asses.
 
2013-10-17 01:56:39 PM

HeadLever: And might I suggest that you shouldn't write something and then pretend that is not at all what you meant.


I know you think you're being real clever, but you're not. I didn't write "a" pipeline, I wrote "the" pipeline. "The" pipeline is the one mentioned by the submitter, which is the one from TFA, which is a massive long-distance trunk pipeline and is completely unlike the ones under the streets in front of almost anyone's house.

Now are we done here or are you going to continuing clinging to your utterly failed attempt at pedantry like a dingleberry on an ape's ass?
 
2013-10-17 02:01:36 PM
The largest pipeline leak in US history was just discovered on some dude's farm in the midwest. It is not getting a lot of play as there are so many folks who want the Keystone pipeline to get approved.
 
2013-10-17 02:11:36 PM

skozlaw: I didn't write "a" pipeline, I wrote "the" pipeline.

skozlaw: I, personally, would rather not live anywhere near a NG pipeline.


Saywat now? You understand that we can look back to your earlier post and see what you actually wrote, correct?
 
2013-10-17 02:12:58 PM
They just did a BIG natural gas line upgrade near us, here in Florida, a year and a half ago. Now, you can't even tell it was ever done.

How dare someone upgrade our crumbling infrastructure!
 
2013-10-17 02:13:31 PM

skozlaw: The" pipeline is the one mentioned by the submitter, which is the one from TFA, which is a massive long-distance trunk pipeline and is completely unlike the ones under the streets in front of almost anyone's house.


Oh, so you are just a standard NIMBY instead of a dumbass NIMBY.  Gotcha.
 
2013-10-17 02:19:23 PM

HeadLever: skozlaw: I didn't write "a" pipeline, I wrote "the" pipeline.

skozlaw: I, personally, would rather not live anywhere near a NG pipeline.

Saywat now? You understand that we can look back to your earlier post and see what you actually wrote, correct?


You're really going to be the dingleberry, aren't you? You're really going to make me sit here and explain to you how indefinite articles work, aren't you?
 
2013-10-17 02:21:30 PM

skozlaw: You're really going to make me sit here and explain to you how indefinite articles work, aren't you?


Because 'a' really means 'the' when I want it to, amiright?  lol, keep trying to justify you retarded comment.
 
2013-10-17 02:28:10 PM
Envitmentalists are pretty much as bad as teabaggers.
 
2013-10-17 02:29:03 PM
Envitmentalists

Yeah. Not sure what happened there.
 
2013-10-17 02:30:14 PM

skozlaw: Lots of things could go wrong.

Probably nothing will though. Not sure why that's scary. Unless you mean the pipeline. I, personally, would rather not live anywhere near a NG pipeline.

"


Don't the lines that go to houses tend to go boom more than the really big lines?

As well as the houses that use gas, never heard of a house going BOOM because of an electricity leak.

There now you have justification for not liking any NG pipeline.
 
2013-10-17 02:30:19 PM

HeadLever: Because 'a' really means 'the' when I want it to, amiright?


Gee, I dunno. Let's consult a dictionary.

a
indefinite article
1.
not any particular or certain one of a class or group: a man; a chemical; a house.
2.
a certain; a particular: one at a time; two of a kind; A Miss Johnson called.
3.
another; one typically resembling: a Cicero in eloquence; a Jonah.
4.
one (used before plural nouns that are preceded by a quantifier singular in form): a hundred men (compare hundreds of men ); a dozen times (compare dozens of times ).
5.
indefinitely or nonspecifically (used with adjectives expressing number): a great many years; a few stars.

I'm not crapping this thread up over your retarded bullshiat anymore. You just wanted a reason to yell NIMBY and even though you utterly failed at establishing one you did anyway. Congratulations. Now go be stupid somewhere else.
 
2013-10-17 02:30:41 PM
Your database could go down!
 
2013-10-17 02:34:58 PM

Jeng: There now you have justification for not liking any NG pipeline.


I don't need a justification because that wasn't my position. Headlever is just being retarded because he wanted a reason to press an agenda and decided to intentionally misread what I wrote to try and force it.

If you read my original post the whole point was to mock submitter's tag choice and headline because I wouldn't expect any of the three to be particularly problematic.
 
2013-10-17 02:37:43 PM

skozlaw: You just wanted a reason to yell NIMBY and even though you utterly failed at establishing one you did anyway



skozlaw: Lots of things could go wrong.

Probably nothing will though. Not sure why that's scary. Unless you mean the pipeline. I, personally, would rather not live anywhere near a NG pipeline.


Um, you do realize that you indeed a NIMBY?  You do not want it in your backyard, you are a NIMBY, there is no argument against that.

The "a" pipeline vs "the" pipeline argument is pretty damn dumb, but you don't want the project anywhere near you, that makes you a NIMBY.
 
2013-10-17 02:39:15 PM
are these the same geniuses that did that interactive map of gun owners?
 
2013-10-17 02:39:43 PM

skozlaw: Gee, I dunno. Let's consult a dictionary.


So 'a' means not any particular or certain one of a class, but yet you are pretending that it means a specific pipe you were discussing earlier?  Sounds like that would be a good use of the word 'the', donchathink?

Just keep digging dude you are not helping yourself.
 
2013-10-17 02:40:07 PM
Came for the Calvin & Hobbes Farmer Brown reference, leaving satisfied......
 
2013-10-17 02:42:17 PM

skozlaw: and decided to intentionally misread what I wrote to try and force it.


Fixed.

You did it all on your own.  Not my fault you were called out on your dumbass and NIMBish remarks.  Remember, it is not just me that called you out on this.
 
2013-10-17 02:42:25 PM

Jeng: that makes you a NIMBY.


I didn't disagree, I just said he wanted to yell it. And he did.
 
2013-10-17 02:49:43 PM
The power line project has been going on for over a year now. I see its construction progress everyday. Where their at it is probably in the land clearing stage. Here, it is going vertical now.
And they are at the point of being able to pump NG, but have no where to pump it to because capacity is maxed. Also watched a major pipeline for that going in.
The power line project was very contraversal. It is cutting across mountain tops and is very visable. Most didn't want it because of that and they were affected by the looks, and, didn't profit from it.
The gas line went thru without a hitch or a squeak. But people here, big people, looking at you Corbett, benifitted from it.
 
2013-10-17 02:57:02 PM

skozlaw: HeadLever: Because 'a' really means 'the' when I want it to, amiright?

Gee, I dunno. Let's consult a dictionary.

a
indefinite article
1.
not any particular or certain one of a class or group: a man; a chemical; a house.
2.
a certain; a particular: one at a time; two of a kind; A Miss Johnson called.
3.
another; one typically resembling: a Cicero in eloquence; a Jonah.
4.
one (used before plural nouns that are preceded by a quantifier singular in form): a hundred men (compare hundreds of men ); a dozen times (compare dozens of times ).
5.
indefinitely or nonspecifically (used with adjectives expressing number): a great many years; a few stars.
I'm not crapping this thread up over your retarded bullshiat anymore. You just wanted a reason to yell NIMBY and even though you utterly failed at establishing one you did anyway. Congratulations. Now go be stupid somewhere else.


And THIS, kids, is how you thread jack.
 
2013-10-17 03:02:56 PM

Gyrfalcon: And THIS, kids, is how you thread jack.


No, I think I'm just not smart enough to realize when I'm being trolled...
 
2013-10-17 03:22:21 PM

Geriatric Goodman Brown: tommyl66: Didn't Calvin and Hobbes already cover this?

Came for this, did it myself.

[images.wikia.com image 850x591]


Came for this too. I prefer it when the other party does all the work.
 
2013-10-17 03:24:30 PM
The quotes are pure gold

"I've lived here my whole life, and for this to happen likes this, 1,2,3, is unbelievable," Fonti said. "How can this be done without us knowing about it until the last minute? My house...how are we going to live? How are we going to survive? How are we going to move around with all this stuff going on?"
 
2013-10-17 03:41:10 PM

Geriatric Goodman Brown: tommyl66: Didn't Calvin and Hobbes already cover this?

Came for this, did it myself.

[images.wikia.com image 850x591]


Still makes me laugh...

RIP Calvin
 
2013-10-17 03:41:36 PM

Geriatric Goodman Brown: tommyl66: Didn't Calvin and Hobbes already cover this?

Came for this, did it myself.

[images.wikia.com image 850x591]


i1182.photobucket.com
 
2013-10-17 03:48:11 PM
What could possibly go wrong?

Besides the fault line that runs under the nuclear plant?
 
2013-10-17 03:51:10 PM
so.
 
2013-10-17 03:59:18 PM
More like, "What can't go RIGHT??????"


/amirite?
 
2013-10-17 04:16:50 PM
Anyone against this is automatically a NIMBY or an environmentalist? OK.....

You say that like it's a problem that we want to live in an area that has the benefits of natural beauty and being close to major metropolitan areas.

You'd say the same if you owned property. I'm not against ANY infrastructure building, but if you're going to update any, do it next to the already existing infrastructure. That's what they're doing with the Tappan Zee Bridge.
 
2013-10-17 04:18:52 PM
The Pipeline and Hazardous Materials Safety Administration (PHMSA) is closed due to a lapse in federal funding.

i1350.photobucket.com
 
2013-10-17 04:24:20 PM

mainstreet62: You'd say the same if you owned property. I'm not against ANY infrastructure building, but if you're going to update any, do it next to the already existing infrastructure. That's what they're doing with the Tappan Zee Bridge.


Depends. Sometimes the problem, especially in some parts of the northeast where it's heavily populated, becomes that you get people that want everything for nothing. For example, they'll want better electrical infrastructure because aging lines in their area lead to blackouts. But the first time the company tries to put a substation in to support it, they scream bloody hell. So the company says "fine, but if you want it out in Buttfark, Nowhere where you can't see it it'll going to cost you an extra $20 on your bill every month for the next five years because now we have to string six miles of high tension cable" at which point they promptly scream about THAT.

That, I think, is the proper spirit of the "NIMBY" label. People who want the benefits of progress but don't want to accept any of the costs.
 
2013-10-17 04:25:33 PM

ikanreed: Yes, let's NOT have high-power lines coming off of power plants.

What is this headline even trying to say?  2 pieces of infrastructure coexist?  Oh no! Are the roads there too?


Came for this... thanks.
 
2013-10-17 04:26:27 PM
Each of those things in isolation have things that could potentially go wrong with them. Combined, they each have the same likelihood of those things going wrong.

A reactor containment building designed to take a hit from a 707 jet isn't going to be bothered by a natural gas leak and explosion 1.2 miles away, even if it is a 42" pipeline.
 
2013-10-17 04:28:35 PM
Not sure I would want a natural gas line near a nuclear power plant. Then again I wouldn't want to live near a nuclear power plant anyway. My later father in law and his two brothers were working at Chalk River in 1957 when they had the accident there at the NPP. It leaked radioactive water and steam. My FIL two brothers died of pancreatic cancer in the 70s, my FIL passed away in 2006 of liver cancer.
 
2013-10-17 04:40:03 PM
I

lilbjorn: What could possibly go wrong?

Besides the fault line that runs under the nuclear plant?


Yeah, subby's headline seems generally alarmist about normal energy infrastructure, while ignoring that the fault line less than a mile from the reactors is already a huge risk. The AEC didn't know they were building next to the longest fault line in the northeast when they approved the reactor designs, or they'd have at least required them to be more earthquake resistant. Indian Point's reactor #3 has topped the NRC's annual "likeliest meltdown from an earthquake" assessments for several years running.

Also of concern is the underlying reason for the larger gas pipeline: to move gas from large-scale fracking projects in the area. New York remains one of the last three states with such projects that refuse to impose any regulation or licensing on the industry. Scientific evidence increasingly points to fracking as a cause of increased seismic activity, but not precisely enough to alter NRC risk assessments, so they're sticking with the suspiciously round figure of "1 in 10,000" annual risk of earthquake-caused core damage for reactor 3.
 
2013-10-17 05:55:19 PM
My only thought: Metalocalypse episode in real life.
 
2013-10-17 08:35:44 PM
HeadLever
Cow farts?

ironic way to describe what NG isn't
 
2013-10-17 08:54:36 PM
Subby, you neglected to mention the proximity of the Ramapo Fault and the lack of things-being-built-to-earthquake-zone standards.
 
2013-10-17 09:10:28 PM

kindms: skozlaw: Lots of things could go wrong.

Probably nothing will though. Not sure why that's scary. Unless you mean the pipeline. I, personally, would rather not live anywhere near a NG pipeline.

Why ? Cheapest way to heat your home by far.


I concur.  And I live less than a mile away from one of those compressors.
 
2013-10-17 11:15:20 PM
PAYPAL ME MONEY! EIP!


/ I know that's a threadjack, which in this case is a good thing.
// I really would like donations to my whiskey fund.
/// I promise to spend 100% of any donations for whiskey.
 
2013-10-18 10:42:40 PM
The article says much of the pipeline in the area will be built along existing rights-of-way. There's already a 26 inch pipeline that they want to upgrade to 42 inches for the extra capacity. I'm okay with this, as they already have a pipe in the ground, with the trees cut.

Personally, I have a problem with 'new' pipelines being proposed. There's one that's mapped out to go right across my property, adjacent to state forest land. They want me to sign over the land, so they can cut down a 75 foot wide path that will never have another tree grow on it, and put a pipeline in. No farking way. My property value will be nil after their couple thousand dollar one time payment. They had options to put it along the interstate, but picked forested land because it would be less of a hassle. I see two main strategies: the energy company wants another pipeline in NYS not to move gas, but to entice NYS to open land for fracking, and to put the pipeline through as much potential fracking land as possible (no fracking in towns, so hit every farm and forest on the way). If energy companies were just worried about moving gas from point A to point B, they could upgrade existing trunk lines, like proposed in the article.

/the pipeline proposed on my land is called the Constitution Pipeline. MURRICA, fark yeah! If you don't like the pipeline, you're an un-American commie pinko traitor!
 
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