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(Slate)   Cory Booker's Senate win last night is bad for liberals, because he didn't kick Lonegan's ass hard enough   (slate.com) divider line 92
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2013-10-17 11:50:39 AM  
On a Wednesday night special election?  Come on now.  If it was on the "normal" election day in November, it would have been a bigger margin.
 
2013-10-17 11:53:35 AM  
"Sure you won, but you didn't rub our faces in the dirt and call us girly girls, so really we won. Nyeh."
 
2013-10-17 12:23:43 PM  
He won by 10% that wasn't exactly close...
 
2013-10-17 12:28:08 PM  
10 points on a special election day on a Wednesday in October?

yeah, I think liberals did just fine.
 
2013-10-17 12:30:56 PM  
But did he win while acting sufficiently manly?
 
2013-10-17 12:32:27 PM  
IOW, you jagoffs prefer getting smoked by at least a 25% margin?
 
2013-10-17 12:32:33 PM  

ManateeGag: 10 points on a special election day on a Wednesday in October?

yeah, I think liberals did just fine.


With the Tea Bagger spending a LOT more in attack ads and media buys?

Close only counts in horseshoes.
 
2013-10-17 12:32:56 PM  
If at first you don't succeed, move the goalposts and declare victory anyway.
 
2013-10-17 12:33:07 PM  
In New Joisey the traditional big city machines are Republican, so the normal rules tend not to apply.
 
2013-10-17 12:33:42 PM  
He didn't suck on a strippers boobs, so he really lost.
 
2013-10-17 12:34:02 PM  
What does it have to do with liberals?  There were no liberals in that election.
 
2013-10-17 12:34:12 PM  
 
2013-10-17 12:35:05 PM  

RodneyToady: On a Wednesday night special election?  Come on now.  If it was on the "normal" election day in November, it would have been a bigger margin.


ManateeGag: 10 points on a special election day on a Wednesday in October?

yeah, I think liberals did just fine.


These. The fact that New Jersey hasn't elected a Republican to the Senate in 40 years and its solid blue state status (aside from the Governor) didn't really give a lot of incentive for a huge turnout among liberals.

/of course, that backfired in Massachusetts
//however the Republican in that race was sane, Lonegan is not
 
2013-10-17 12:35:06 PM  
It's only a bad night for liberals in that they could have found a much more apologetically hard left candidate than Booker and still easily won the seat.  Booker is a pretty blatant shill for the 1%ers.
 
2013-10-17 12:35:24 PM  

RodneyToady: On a Wednesday night special election?  Come on now.  If it was on the "normal" election day in November, it would have been a bigger margin.


He'd have won by 20.
 
2013-10-17 12:35:48 PM  
Subby, you dolt!

It was HOOKER not Booker who beat Lonegan's ass.

1.bp.blogspot.com

/Jeez...

media.tumblr.com
 
2013-10-17 12:36:29 PM  
lh3.ggpht.com
 
2013-10-17 12:36:33 PM  

MFAWG: In New Joisey the traditional big city machines are Republican, so the normal rules tend not to apply.


Wha?
 
2013-10-17 12:36:52 PM  

InmanRoshi: It's only a bad night for liberals in that they could have found a much more apologetically hard left candidate than Booker and still easily won the seat.  Booker is a pretty blatant shill for the 1%ers.


At least he can articulate a vision.  The best Lonegan could manage was a red haze of anger.
 
2013-10-17 12:37:39 PM  
11 points is savage ass kicking no matter how you spin it.
 
2013-10-17 12:38:08 PM  
So the "Big Data" candidate won?
 
2013-10-17 12:38:51 PM  
I can't find it today, but apparently 11 points is the average margin of victory in New Jersey Senate elections over the past x-amount of elections.

People can talk about how Booker was up by 20 or whatnot earlier, but I wonder how much of that had to do with name recognition. Lonegan, while a known political figure, wasn't exactly a household name.
 
2013-10-17 12:38:53 PM  
Yeah, I remember when Markey won the Senate seat in MA, and the next day the derposhere was telling itself that it was ok, because he won by a small margin than Obama did or some such horseshiat.

Because a Presidential election featuring a fellow all of Massachusetts cannot stand- not to mention a close senate election- got more turnout than a special election in the middle of the summer.

/math republicans do to make themselves feel better.
 
2013-10-17 12:39:09 PM  

ScaryBottles: 11 points is savage ass kicking no matter how you spin it.


In a blue state?

Vs a Tea Party guy?

Really?

Should have been a 40 point win in Blue Jersey.
 
2013-10-17 12:39:58 PM  

organizmx: MFAWG: In New Joisey the traditional big city machines are Republican, so the normal rules tend not to apply.

Wha?


It's true, and used to be more so during the heyday of union dominated machine politics.
 
2013-10-17 12:42:08 PM  

Giltric: ScaryBottles: 11 points is savage ass kicking no matter how you spin it.

In a blue state?

Vs a Tea Party guy?

Really?

Should have been a 40 point win in Blue Jersey.


Wow, you're actually running with the premise.
 
2013-10-17 12:42:29 PM  

Ok, I found it... Well, not what I was reading, but something close enough:

Going back to the 1988 election, the average outcome has been 53% for the Dem and 44% for the Republican. More recent examples: Menendez overcame Tom Kean, Jr. in 2006 by 9-points (53.3% to 44.3%), which was actually the best performance by a GOP Senate challenger anywhere in 2006. The late Frank Lautenberg beat Doug Forrester by 11 points (54% to 44%) in 2002 and later Dick Zimmer by 14-points (56% to 42%) in 2008. -
 
2013-10-17 12:43:59 PM  

JerseyTim: I can't find it today, but apparently 11 points is the average margin of victory in New Jersey Senate elections over the past x-amount of elections.

People can talk about how Booker was up by 20 or whatnot earlier, but I wonder how much of that had to do with name recognition. Lonegan, while a known political figure, wasn't exactly a household name.


It might also have to do with Lonegan being an unlikable douche whose campaign was run by frat boys.
 
2013-10-17 12:44:59 PM  
I agree with this. I realize Booker has his issues and didn't run a very good campaign, but Lonegan is a flat-out terrible person. He's pro-shutdown and he campaigned with Rick Perry (the same Rick Perry who appeared in ads encouraging businesses to move jobs away from the New York area). His campaign included open race-baiting and gay-baiting. And yet, somehow in this very blue state, Lonegan managed to get 45% of the vote. I do not understand it at all.
 
2013-10-17 12:45:55 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: Giltric: ScaryBottles: 11 points is savage ass kicking no matter how you spin it.

In a blue state?

Vs a Tea Party guy?

Really?

Should have been a 40 point win in Blue Jersey.

Wow, you're actually running with the premise.


There's one born every minute.
 
2013-10-17 12:47:49 PM  

RodneyToady: On a Wednesday night special election?  Come on now.  If it was on the "normal" election day in November, it would have been a bigger margin.


Pretty much this.  Plus, the outcome was more or less a foregone conclusion, so the Dems weren't exactly out voting in force.
 
2013-10-17 12:48:13 PM  

thurstonxhowell: HotWingConspiracy: Giltric: ScaryBottles: 11 points is savage ass kicking no matter how you spin it.

In a blue state?

Vs a Tea Party guy?

Really?

Should have been a 40 point win in Blue Jersey.

Wow, you're actually running with the premise.

There's one born every minute.


Says the guy who pays 5$ to say things on the internet.
 
2013-10-17 12:49:43 PM  

HMS_Blinkin: RodneyToady: On a Wednesday night special election?  Come on now.  If it was on the "normal" election day in November, it would have been a bigger margin.

Pretty much this.  Plus, the outcome was more or less a foregone conclusion, so the Dems weren't exactly out voting in force.


Yeah, as I mentioned in yesterday's thread, it was a bad sign when I showed up to vote yesterday morning; the polling place was empty except for workers, they'd been open for almost two hours and my wife and I were voters #6 and #7.
 
2013-10-17 12:52:35 PM  
[Steve] Lonegan lost, but his principled campaign showed the strength of conservative activists in a state that hasn't voted Republican for president in a quarter-century.

Wow! 25 years! I wonder what clothes looked like back then!
 
2013-10-17 12:53:08 PM  

Giltric: thurstonxhowell: HotWingConspiracy: Giltric: ScaryBottles: 11 points is savage ass kicking no matter how you spin it.

In a blue state?

Vs a Tea Party guy?

Really?

Should have been a 40 point win in Blue Jersey.

Wow, you're actually running with the premise.

There's one born every minute.

Says the guy who pays 5$ to say things on the internet.


Someone bought that for me, genius.
 
2013-10-17 12:53:52 PM  
My conservative workplace this morning was the most subdued I'd seen it since they deluded themselves into believing Romney was actually going to win.
 
2013-10-17 12:55:26 PM  

PiffMan420: ManateeGag: 10 points on a special election day on a Wednesday in October?

yeah, I think liberals did just fine.

With the Tea Bagger spending a LOT more in attack ads and media buys?

Close only counts in horseshoes.


Paris1127: The fact that New Jersey hasn't elected a Republican to the Senate in 40 years and its solid blue state status (aside from the Governor) didn't really give a lot of incentive for a huge turnout among liberals.



Aaaand we're done here.
 
2013-10-17 12:57:26 PM  
you see Libtards, sometimes you come in 2nd, the fine Conservatives of NJ have proven that the nation isn't ready to let the Republican party come in 3rd & that's a hell of a lot better than losing like Obama and his approval polls.

check & mate.

/you guys are so screwed
 
2013-10-17 01:00:28 PM  

PiffMan420: ManateeGag: 10 points on a special election day on a Wednesday in October?

yeah, I think liberals did just fine.

With the Tea Bagger spending a LOT more in attack ads and media buys?

Close only counts in horseshoes.



and grenades
 
2013-10-17 01:01:49 PM  
Why has fiscally conservative governor Christie wasted taxpayer dollars for a special election so close to the November elections?
 
2013-10-17 01:01:55 PM  
Did nobody RTFA?

"Booker's 55 percent was the most any candidate's won in an open seat race for U.S. Senate in New Jersey since the 1930 election of Dwight Morrow. It's vanishingly rare for a New Jersey candidate to crack 60 percent statewide; it hadn't been done since 1984, the first re-election of Bill Bradley."

Sounds like an ass-kickin to me then combine that with it was a special election with diminished voter turnout and I think it makes a solid statement that the Tea-Party approach is out of favor in NJ (and hopefully falling fast everywhere)
 
2013-10-17 01:01:58 PM  

Giltric: ScaryBottles: 11 points is savage ass kicking no matter how you spin it.

In a blue state?

Vs a Tea Party guy?

Really?

Should have been a 40 point win in Blue Jersey.


When was the last time a Senate race in New Jersey had a 40 point spread on normal election day, much less on a special election?
 
2013-10-17 01:02:34 PM  

MFAWG: organizmx: MFAWG: In New Joisey the traditional big city machines are Republican, so the normal rules tend not to apply.

Wha?

It's true, and used to be more so during the heyday of union dominated machine politics.


What are you talking about? George Norcross (D-ickbag) practically owns that state.
 
2013-10-17 01:05:07 PM  
how many votes in the Senate does 'close' get you?  Oh, none?  howaboutthat.
 
2013-10-17 01:05:17 PM  

RubberBandMan: Why has fiscally conservative governor Christie wasted taxpayer dollars for a special election so close to the November elections?


i.huffpost.com

"Because teachers and poor black people and toll booth workers and fark you, pal. You want a piece of this?"
 
2013-10-17 01:06:47 PM  

monoski: Did nobody RTFA?

"Booker's 55 percent was the most any candidate's won in an open seat race for U.S. Senate in New Jersey since the 1930 election of Dwight Morrow. It's vanishingly rare for a New Jersey candidate to crack 60 percent statewide; it hadn't been done since 1984, the first re-election of Bill Bradley."

Sounds like an ass-kickin to me then combine that with it was a special election with diminished voter turnout and I think it makes a solid statement that the Tea-Party approach is out of favor in NJ (and hopefully falling fast everywhere)


Yeah, I just don't really agree. It's also vanishingly rare for a full-blown wingnut to run in a statewide election. This is the state of Thomas Kean and Christie Whitman. Chris Christie is about as far to the right as they get, and even he doesn't openly embrace the Tea Party and is capable of saying nice things about Obama. (Heck, his current commercials show him bragging about his ability to compromise, something I've never heard from Lonegan.)

The diminished turnout part, I understand.
 
2013-10-17 01:09:44 PM  
Where's Fark's dedicated anti-Booker troll?  I thought he was going to prove that Booker doesn't have a long-form New Jersey residency certificate and therefore Snooki is Governor.
 
2013-10-17 01:10:27 PM  

Super Chronic: monoski: Did nobody RTFA?

"Booker's 55 percent was the most any candidate's won in an open seat race for U.S. Senate in New Jersey since the 1930 election of Dwight Morrow. It's vanishingly rare for a New Jersey candidate to crack 60 percent statewide; it hadn't been done since 1984, the first re-election of Bill Bradley."

Sounds like an ass-kickin to me then combine that with it was a special election with diminished voter turnout and I think it makes a solid statement that the Tea-Party approach is out of favor in NJ (and hopefully falling fast everywhere)

Yeah, I just don't really agree. It's also vanishingly rare for a full-blown wingnut to run in a statewide election. This is the state of Thomas Kean and Christie Whitman. Chris Christie is about as far to the right as they get, and even he doesn't openly embrace the Tea Party and is capable of saying nice things about Obama. (Heck, his current commercials show him bragging about his ability to compromise, something I've never heard from Lonegan.)

The diminished turnout part, I understand.


The wingnuts show up for special elections. The wingnuts show up for every election.  The average voter shows up for elections they think matter; and nobody really took Lonegan seriously enough as a threat to Booker to feel the need to get out.  When you have a low turnout you have a high concentration of wingnut.
 
2013-10-17 01:11:26 PM  
I'm failing to understand the significance of a Republican losing a race for a seat that hasn't been won by a Republican in four decades or more.

He was never expected to win, he was never going to win, and him not winning doesn't "prove" anything other than Jersey elects democratic Senators just like they always have.

Now, if he HAD one, that would mean something, but as it is... meh.
 
2013-10-17 01:12:32 PM  

Rwa2play: IOW, you jagoffs prefer getting smoked by at least a 25% margin?


Just wait to see what happens if Ted Cruz gets the nomination in 2016, could possibly be the first time a presidential candidate walks away with zero electoral college votes and about 5% of the popular vote.
 
2013-10-17 01:12:57 PM  

chimp_ninja: Where's Fark's dedicated anti-Booker troll?  I thought he was going to prove that Booker doesn't have a long-form New Jersey residency certificate and therefore Snooki is Governor.


A) I think you mean Senator
B) Snooki grew up in, and lived in, NY
C) If she became a politician in NJ, I think the entire state(D's and R's) would rise up in revolt.


/yes, I know you're being sarcastic
//tired of the Jersey Shore being used to represent my state
 
2013-10-17 01:14:27 PM  

RubberBandMan: Why has fiscally conservative governor Christie wasted taxpayer dollars for a special election so close to the November elections?


So he can win in a few weeks.  He did not want to be on the same ballot as Booker.  It would make his margins for victory much much smaller.  The last thing he wants is people from the blue parts of NJ more reasons to show up in November.

The only reason NJ has Republican governors is because our election cycle is shifted one year from the presidential cycle.  About the only time the masses can be bothered with the polls is when the president is being elected.  Otherwise whatever minority is motivated to vote gets to run the tables.

If we wanted representative government, we'd only have mail in ballots, it would be part of Form 1040, and you'd have to pay all your income to avoid providing a response.
 
2013-10-17 01:14:47 PM  

grumpfuff: chimp_ninja: Where's Fark's dedicated anti-Booker troll?  I thought he was going to prove that Booker doesn't have a long-form New Jersey residency certificate and therefore Snooki is Governor.

A) I think you mean Senator
B) Snooki grew up in, and lives in, NY
C) If she became a politician in NJ, I think the entire state(D's and R's) would rise up in revolt.


/yes, I know you're being sarcastic
//tired of the Jersey Shore being used to represent my state


FTFM
 
2013-10-17 01:15:04 PM  

grumpfuff: B) Snooki grew up in, and lived in, NY


Tan Mom, on the other hand...
 
2013-10-17 01:16:52 PM  

Giltric: thurstonxhowell: HotWingConspiracy: Giltric: ScaryBottles: 11 points is savage ass kicking no matter how you spin it.

In a blue state?

Vs a Tea Party guy?

Really?

Should have been a 40 point win in Blue Jersey.

Wow, you're actually running with the premise.

There's one born every minute.

Says the guy who pays 5$ to say things on the internet.


Does it hurt your arguent that i agree you are a fool and i don't pay $5 to post on the internet?

Nah, you are just so durn smrt ain'tcha?

Keep with the 'hurrrr you shoulda won by (invent number that you imagine to be achievable here)!' and of course, if booker did win by that number you would ask why he didn't win 10% more than that...right?  Keep herpin the derp.
 
2013-10-17 01:17:14 PM  

Super Chronic: grumpfuff: B) Snooki grew up in, and lived in, NY

Tan Mom, on the other hand...


Should be launched into the sun.

/tan enough now?
 
2013-10-17 01:18:07 PM  

chimp_ninja: Where's Fark's dedicated anti-Booker troll?  I thought he was going to prove that Booker doesn't have a long-form New Jersey residency certificate and therefore Snooki is Governor.


Without the Lonegan campaign sending him a steady stream of gasoline-soaked rags, he's been forced to take a job as a bearded lady.
 
2013-10-17 01:26:22 PM  
 
2013-10-17 01:27:19 PM  

grumpfuff: chimp_ninja: Where's Fark's dedicated anti-Booker troll?  I thought he was going to prove that Booker doesn't have a long-form New Jersey residency certificate and therefore Snooki is Governor.

A) I think you mean Senator
B) Snooki grew up in, and lived in, NY
C) If she became a politician in NJ, I think the entire state(D's and R's) would rise up in revolt.


/yes, I know you're being sarcastic
//tired of the Jersey Shore being used to represent my state


Don't worry, now Governor Guido and Senator Facebook represent your state now!
 
2013-10-17 01:31:27 PM  

llortcM_yllort: grumpfuff: chimp_ninja: Where's Fark's dedicated anti-Booker troll?  I thought he was going to prove that Booker doesn't have a long-form New Jersey residency certificate and therefore Snooki is Governor.

A) I think you mean Senator
B) Snooki grew up in, and lived in, NY
C) If she became a politician in NJ, I think the entire state(D's and R's) would rise up in revolt.


/yes, I know you're being sarcastic
//tired of the Jersey Shore being used to represent my state

Don't worry, now Governor Guido and Senator Facebook represent your state now!


Your handle not withstanding, I have mixed feelings about Governor Guido(he has done SOME good, but I'd still prefer a Buono win), and I'd rather have Senator Facebook than Senator Americans for Prosperity Derp.

/didn't vote for Booker
//voted against Lonegan
///wanted Holt or Pascrell
 
2013-10-17 01:32:05 PM  
Booker arrives in D.C. with a victory that conservatives think they can #unskew

awesome
 
2013-10-17 01:32:50 PM  

OhioUGrad: Rwa2play: IOW, you jagoffs prefer getting smoked by at least a 25% margin?

Just wait to see what happens if Ted Cruz gets the nomination in 2016, could possibly be the first time a presidential candidate walks away with zero electoral college votes and about 5% of the popular vote.


The thing is Cruz would still get ~40% of the popular vote and around 150 EVs, because the residents of Greater Derpistan would willingly vote for Satan himself if he ran as a Republican.

Now, depending on a) the amount of stupid Cruz is willing to convey and b) who his opponent is, the question would not if he would concede but when.  Get a Biden or Elizabeth Warren as the Democratic candidate and that's not gonna be a fair fight for Cruz.
 
2013-10-17 01:36:33 PM  

JerseyTim: Too big to post: Lonegan shrugging off his wife who is trying to console him.


holy shiat!  what an ass.

well, at least he didn't backhand her right there in front of the cameras, although that would have drawn applause from a Conservative crowd.
 
2013-10-17 01:54:34 PM  
He should have sucked more breasts.
 
2013-10-17 02:00:40 PM  

Isitoveryet: JerseyTim: Too big to post: Lonegan shrugging off his wife who is trying to console him.

holy shiat!  what an ass.

well, at least he didn't backhand her right there in front of the cameras, although that would have drawn applause from a Conservative crowd.


You needed more proof of this? Remember, this is the guy who, as mayor, tried to make an "English Only" rule in a town that's about a third Hispanic/Latino.
 
2013-10-17 02:00:47 PM  

MFAWG: organizmx: MFAWG: In New Joisey the traditional big city machines are Republican, so the normal rules tend not to apply.

Wha?

It's true, and used to be more so during the heyday of union dominated machine politics.


FRANK HAGUE, YOU DOLT.

 
2013-10-17 02:04:42 PM  

Last Man on Earth: If at first you don't succeed, move the goalposts and declare victory anyway.


Steve Lonegan: "We covered the spread!"
 
2013-10-17 02:07:36 PM  
Anyone got Dramamine? I'm getting dizzy from the post-election/debt ceiling spinning.
 
2013-10-17 02:13:45 PM  
But I thought Democrats were always supposed to vote on Wednesday.  I mean, that's what the robocalls keep telling me
 
2013-10-17 02:17:31 PM  
Wednesday special election intentionally scheduled a few weeks before normal statewide elections. Dem candidate in NJ is a young black bachelor and admitted vegetarian. Dirty campaign rumors that he may be gay and the only counter argument was that he may have been sexting with a white female exotic dancer. And he won by 10 points.
Yeah, that's as bad for the Dems as when that Tea Party Witch beat them in Delaware. Oh, wait...
 
2013-10-17 02:23:51 PM  
grumpfuff:  I have mixed feelings about Governor Guido(he has done SOME good, but I'd still prefer a Buono win)

Every time I get one of those "Christie isn't so bad" feelings, I remember how shiatty my commute is and how much better it would have been if he hadn't single-handedly killed the new tunnel. I'll vote for Buono, though she doesn't have a chance.
 
2013-10-17 02:25:05 PM  

rcw00: Wednesday special election intentionally scheduled a few weeks before normal statewide elections. Dem candidate in NJ is a young black bachelor and admitted vegetarian. Dirty campaign rumors that he may be gay and the only counter argument was that he may have been sexting with a white female exotic dancer. And he won by 10 points.
Yeah, that's as bad for the Dems as when that Tea Party Witch beat them in Delaware. Oh, wait...


The thing I find amusing is that the Teatards thought most people in NJ would give a shiat about these things.

/especially the stripper one
//they probably cheered that one
 
2013-10-17 02:27:39 PM  

grumpfuff: You needed more proof of this? Remember, this is the guy who, as mayor, tried to make an "English Only" rule in a town that's about a third Hispanic/Latino.


that's a sore subject with me, i believe that if a community is primarily speaking Spanish (whatever language) they should be allowed to have a true representative for their community that they choose.

there was a small border community in AZ that managed to turn away a Spanish speaking (potential) rep based on her inability to speak English, there was some stipulation that reps can not have translators (which would have been how she could communicate) so her community had to go with someone who was less popular but spoke English.

language barriers? in this day and age? i think not, it's just another tool used to limit culturally divers Americans.
 
2013-10-17 02:31:32 PM  

grumpfuff: rcw00: Wednesday special election intentionally scheduled a few weeks before normal statewide elections. Dem candidate in NJ is a young black bachelor and admitted vegetarian. Dirty campaign rumors that he may be gay and the only counter argument was that he may have been sexting with a white female exotic dancer. And he won by 10 points.
Yeah, that's as bad for the Dems as when that Tea Party Witch beat them in Delaware. Oh, wait...

The thing I find amusing is that the Teatards thought most people in NJ would give a shiat about these things.

/especially the stripper one
//they probably cheered that one


Strippers are at least 15% of the NJ electorate.  HBO had a documentary that ran for several seasons following a family business of "waste management" and "construction" Job Creators in New Jersey, and this fact was highlighted.  It's too bad it ended abruptly.
 
2013-10-17 02:36:20 PM  

Giltric: ScaryBottles: 11 points is savage ass kicking no matter how you spin it.

In a blue state?

Vs a Tea Party guy?

Really?

Should have been a 40 point win in Blue Jersey.


Why not 80% why not 800? 8000%!
 
2013-10-17 02:37:26 PM  

Rwa2play: OhioUGrad: Rwa2play: IOW, you jagoffs prefer getting smoked by at least a 25% margin?

Just wait to see what happens if Ted Cruz gets the nomination in 2016, could possibly be the first time a presidential candidate walks away with zero electoral college votes and about 5% of the popular vote.

The thing is Cruz would still get ~40% of the popular vote and around 150 EVs, because the residents of Greater Derpistan would willingly vote for Satan himself if he ran as a Republican.

Now, depending on a) the amount of stupid Cruz is willing to convey and b) who his opponent is, the question would not if he would concede but when.  Get a Biden or Elizabeth Warren as the Democratic candidate and that's not gonna be a fair fight for Cruz.


At one point I probably would have agreed with you, but I think most republicans are sick of his shiat. You could see a split between republicans and the tea party with republicans pulling in about 30%, Cruz with 5% or popular vote.

/doesn't think Cruz would concede, he'd dial it up to 11
 
2013-10-17 02:38:49 PM  

Isitoveryet: there was a small border community in AZ that managed to turn away a Spanish speaking (potential) rep based on her inability to speak English, there was some stipulation that reps can not have translators (which would have been how she could communicate) so her community had to go with someone who was less popular but spoke English.


You'd think she could fight that in the courts, given that we don't formally have an official language.  If the people of a community vote for a person who doesn't speak English, that's their will, and having at least one translator on a state or federal rep's staff wouldn't exactly be hard to arrange.
 
2013-10-17 02:39:41 PM  
Can't help but think of Saddam Hussein's declaration of great and total victory shortly after being chased out of Kuwait.
 
2013-10-17 02:44:13 PM  

Paris1127: solid blue state status (aside from the Governor)


For Jersey, Christie is a right wing crazy.  For other deep red states, he might as well be a Communist.

Besides, People were so sick of Corzine, anything was a welcome change.
 
2013-10-17 02:51:09 PM  

ManateeGag: Paris1127: solid blue state status (aside from the Governor)

For Jersey, Christie is a right wing crazy.  For other deep red states, he might as well be a Communist.

Besides, People were so sick of Corzine, anything was a welcome change.


Bolded for emphasis. This is my general answer to "If NJ is so liberal, why'd you elect a Republican governor?"
 
2013-10-17 02:54:51 PM  

RubberBandMan: Why has fiscally conservative governor Christie wasted taxpayer dollars for a special election so close to the November elections?


so he can run up the score and beat Buono by a metric fark load.  Then in 2016, he can try to prove his worth by saying "Look, in my last election, I beat the Democrat by 30/40 points"

Never mind the fact that she has no message and all she does is attack Christie and run on the fact she isn't him.  From all the ads and mails I've seen, none of them told me what SHE plans to do, just what HE did wrong.  One of them even emphasized the fact that her and her running mate are women, and only they understand what a woman needs, unlike Chris Christie.  (I'm serious and I wish I saved it)
 
2013-10-17 03:04:48 PM  

JerseyTim: Too big to post: Lonegan shrugging off his wife who is trying to console him.


I need to save that and show it to everyone.  that's awesome.
 
2013-10-17 03:19:15 PM  

chimp_ninja: Isitoveryet: there was a small border community in AZ that managed to turn away a Spanish speaking (potential) rep based on her inability to speak English, there was some stipulation that reps can not have translators (which would have been how she could communicate) so her community had to go with someone who was less popular but spoke English.

You'd think she could fight that in the courts, given that we don't formally have an official language.  If the people of a community vote for a person who doesn't speak English, that's their will, and having at least one translator on a state or federal rep's staff wouldn't exactly be hard to arrange.


found an article on it.
http://www.hlntv.com/article/2012/02/01/public-officials-english-req ui red-arizona-city-council
 
2013-10-17 03:45:44 PM  

JerseyTim: Too big to post: Lonegan shrugging off his wife who is trying to console him.


That deserves a "Christ, what an asshole."
 
2013-10-17 03:52:52 PM  

OhioUGrad: At one point I probably would have agreed with you, but I think most republicans are sick of his shiat. You could see a split between republicans and the tea party with republicans pulling in about 30%, Cruz with 5% or popular vote.

/doesn't think Cruz would concede, he'd dial it up to 11


It's a very small and unscientific sample, but remember the NY-23 special election in 2009.  Even though she withdrew, Scozzafava still got less than 6% of the vote.  Something like Huntsman v. Cruz v. Warren could easily go 49 (Warren)/30 (Huntsman)/20 (Cruz) because the TP asshats will vote for Cruz regardless.
 
2013-10-17 04:22:37 PM  

Rwa2play: OhioUGrad: At one point I probably would have agreed with you, but I think most republicans are sick of his shiat. You could see a split between republicans and the tea party with republicans pulling in about 30%, Cruz with 5% or popular vote.

/doesn't think Cruz would concede, he'd dial it up to 11

It's a very small and unscientific sample, but remember the NY-23 special election in 2009.  Even though she withdrew, Scozzafava still got less than 6% of the vote.  Something like Huntsman v. Cruz v. Warren could easily go 49 (Warren)/30 (Huntsman)/20 (Cruz) because the TP asshats will vote for Cruz regardless.


I don't think that there is a 20% TP in this country. Could also just be wishful/hopeful thinking.
 
2013-10-17 04:24:34 PM  

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Thread over.
 
2013-10-17 04:35:21 PM  
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"Loss? WHAT loss?!?"
 
2013-10-17 05:35:18 PM  
America, your second black president just got his ticket to Washington D.C.

Now can you dig that?


SUCKAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
 
2013-10-17 07:12:43 PM  
www.ponyfictionarchive.net
 
2013-10-18 03:28:44 AM  
"Dem 'Referendum' on Tea Party Fizzles: Booker Margin in N.J. Barely Half of Obama's in 2012."

Wait, what?

Jokes on you Dems, Obama won NJ by 20 points but Booker only won his race by 11?

On a special election on a Wednesday night in October while the Shut Down debacle was coming to a close?

That's what they're going with?

i293.photobucket.com

Bit of a stretch.
 
2013-10-18 08:23:41 AM  
i.imgur.com

"Sounds like Springfield's the Democrat's have a discipline problem"
"Yeah, maybe that's why we beat them at football elections almost half the time"
 
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