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(Slate)   Cory Booker's Senate win last night is bad for liberals, because he didn't kick Lonegan's ass hard enough   (slate.com) divider line 92
    More: Unlikely, New Jersey Senate, Steve Lonegan, John Fund, Terry McAuliffe, Frank Lautenberg, U.S. Senate, liberals, special election  
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2013-10-17 11:50:39 AM
On a Wednesday night special election?  Come on now.  If it was on the "normal" election day in November, it would have been a bigger margin.
 
2013-10-17 11:53:35 AM
"Sure you won, but you didn't rub our faces in the dirt and call us girly girls, so really we won. Nyeh."
 
2013-10-17 12:23:43 PM
He won by 10% that wasn't exactly close...
 
2013-10-17 12:28:08 PM
10 points on a special election day on a Wednesday in October?

yeah, I think liberals did just fine.
 
2013-10-17 12:30:56 PM
But did he win while acting sufficiently manly?
 
2013-10-17 12:32:27 PM
IOW, you jagoffs prefer getting smoked by at least a 25% margin?
 
2013-10-17 12:32:33 PM

ManateeGag: 10 points on a special election day on a Wednesday in October?

yeah, I think liberals did just fine.


With the Tea Bagger spending a LOT more in attack ads and media buys?

Close only counts in horseshoes.
 
2013-10-17 12:32:56 PM
If at first you don't succeed, move the goalposts and declare victory anyway.
 
2013-10-17 12:33:07 PM
In New Joisey the traditional big city machines are Republican, so the normal rules tend not to apply.
 
2013-10-17 12:33:42 PM
He didn't suck on a strippers boobs, so he really lost.
 
2013-10-17 12:34:02 PM
What does it have to do with liberals?  There were no liberals in that election.
 
2013-10-17 12:34:12 PM
 
2013-10-17 12:35:05 PM

RodneyToady: On a Wednesday night special election?  Come on now.  If it was on the "normal" election day in November, it would have been a bigger margin.


ManateeGag: 10 points on a special election day on a Wednesday in October?

yeah, I think liberals did just fine.


These. The fact that New Jersey hasn't elected a Republican to the Senate in 40 years and its solid blue state status (aside from the Governor) didn't really give a lot of incentive for a huge turnout among liberals.

/of course, that backfired in Massachusetts
//however the Republican in that race was sane, Lonegan is not
 
2013-10-17 12:35:06 PM
It's only a bad night for liberals in that they could have found a much more apologetically hard left candidate than Booker and still easily won the seat.  Booker is a pretty blatant shill for the 1%ers.
 
2013-10-17 12:35:24 PM

RodneyToady: On a Wednesday night special election?  Come on now.  If it was on the "normal" election day in November, it would have been a bigger margin.


He'd have won by 20.
 
2013-10-17 12:35:48 PM
Subby, you dolt!

It was HOOKER not Booker who beat Lonegan's ass.

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/Jeez...

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2013-10-17 12:36:29 PM
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2013-10-17 12:36:33 PM

MFAWG: In New Joisey the traditional big city machines are Republican, so the normal rules tend not to apply.


Wha?
 
2013-10-17 12:36:52 PM

InmanRoshi: It's only a bad night for liberals in that they could have found a much more apologetically hard left candidate than Booker and still easily won the seat.  Booker is a pretty blatant shill for the 1%ers.


At least he can articulate a vision.  The best Lonegan could manage was a red haze of anger.
 
2013-10-17 12:37:39 PM
11 points is savage ass kicking no matter how you spin it.
 
2013-10-17 12:38:08 PM
So the "Big Data" candidate won?
 
2013-10-17 12:38:51 PM
I can't find it today, but apparently 11 points is the average margin of victory in New Jersey Senate elections over the past x-amount of elections.

People can talk about how Booker was up by 20 or whatnot earlier, but I wonder how much of that had to do with name recognition. Lonegan, while a known political figure, wasn't exactly a household name.
 
2013-10-17 12:38:53 PM
Yeah, I remember when Markey won the Senate seat in MA, and the next day the derposhere was telling itself that it was ok, because he won by a small margin than Obama did or some such horseshiat.

Because a Presidential election featuring a fellow all of Massachusetts cannot stand- not to mention a close senate election- got more turnout than a special election in the middle of the summer.

/math republicans do to make themselves feel better.
 
2013-10-17 12:39:09 PM

ScaryBottles: 11 points is savage ass kicking no matter how you spin it.


In a blue state?

Vs a Tea Party guy?

Really?

Should have been a 40 point win in Blue Jersey.
 
2013-10-17 12:39:58 PM

organizmx: MFAWG: In New Joisey the traditional big city machines are Republican, so the normal rules tend not to apply.

Wha?


It's true, and used to be more so during the heyday of union dominated machine politics.
 
2013-10-17 12:42:08 PM

Giltric: ScaryBottles: 11 points is savage ass kicking no matter how you spin it.

In a blue state?

Vs a Tea Party guy?

Really?

Should have been a 40 point win in Blue Jersey.


Wow, you're actually running with the premise.
 
2013-10-17 12:42:29 PM

Ok, I found it... Well, not what I was reading, but something close enough:

Going back to the 1988 election, the average outcome has been 53% for the Dem and 44% for the Republican. More recent examples: Menendez overcame Tom Kean, Jr. in 2006 by 9-points (53.3% to 44.3%), which was actually the best performance by a GOP Senate challenger anywhere in 2006. The late Frank Lautenberg beat Doug Forrester by 11 points (54% to 44%) in 2002 and later Dick Zimmer by 14-points (56% to 42%) in 2008. -
 
2013-10-17 12:43:59 PM

JerseyTim: I can't find it today, but apparently 11 points is the average margin of victory in New Jersey Senate elections over the past x-amount of elections.

People can talk about how Booker was up by 20 or whatnot earlier, but I wonder how much of that had to do with name recognition. Lonegan, while a known political figure, wasn't exactly a household name.


It might also have to do with Lonegan being an unlikable douche whose campaign was run by frat boys.
 
2013-10-17 12:44:59 PM
I agree with this. I realize Booker has his issues and didn't run a very good campaign, but Lonegan is a flat-out terrible person. He's pro-shutdown and he campaigned with Rick Perry (the same Rick Perry who appeared in ads encouraging businesses to move jobs away from the New York area). His campaign included open race-baiting and gay-baiting. And yet, somehow in this very blue state, Lonegan managed to get 45% of the vote. I do not understand it at all.
 
2013-10-17 12:45:55 PM

HotWingConspiracy: Giltric: ScaryBottles: 11 points is savage ass kicking no matter how you spin it.

In a blue state?

Vs a Tea Party guy?

Really?

Should have been a 40 point win in Blue Jersey.

Wow, you're actually running with the premise.


There's one born every minute.
 
2013-10-17 12:47:49 PM

RodneyToady: On a Wednesday night special election?  Come on now.  If it was on the "normal" election day in November, it would have been a bigger margin.


Pretty much this.  Plus, the outcome was more or less a foregone conclusion, so the Dems weren't exactly out voting in force.
 
2013-10-17 12:48:13 PM

thurstonxhowell: HotWingConspiracy: Giltric: ScaryBottles: 11 points is savage ass kicking no matter how you spin it.

In a blue state?

Vs a Tea Party guy?

Really?

Should have been a 40 point win in Blue Jersey.

Wow, you're actually running with the premise.

There's one born every minute.


Says the guy who pays 5$ to say things on the internet.
 
2013-10-17 12:49:43 PM

HMS_Blinkin: RodneyToady: On a Wednesday night special election?  Come on now.  If it was on the "normal" election day in November, it would have been a bigger margin.

Pretty much this.  Plus, the outcome was more or less a foregone conclusion, so the Dems weren't exactly out voting in force.


Yeah, as I mentioned in yesterday's thread, it was a bad sign when I showed up to vote yesterday morning; the polling place was empty except for workers, they'd been open for almost two hours and my wife and I were voters #6 and #7.
 
2013-10-17 12:52:35 PM
[Steve] Lonegan lost, but his principled campaign showed the strength of conservative activists in a state that hasn't voted Republican for president in a quarter-century.

Wow! 25 years! I wonder what clothes looked like back then!
 
2013-10-17 12:53:08 PM

Giltric: thurstonxhowell: HotWingConspiracy: Giltric: ScaryBottles: 11 points is savage ass kicking no matter how you spin it.

In a blue state?

Vs a Tea Party guy?

Really?

Should have been a 40 point win in Blue Jersey.

Wow, you're actually running with the premise.

There's one born every minute.

Says the guy who pays 5$ to say things on the internet.


Someone bought that for me, genius.
 
2013-10-17 12:53:52 PM
My conservative workplace this morning was the most subdued I'd seen it since they deluded themselves into believing Romney was actually going to win.
 
2013-10-17 12:55:26 PM

PiffMan420: ManateeGag: 10 points on a special election day on a Wednesday in October?

yeah, I think liberals did just fine.

With the Tea Bagger spending a LOT more in attack ads and media buys?

Close only counts in horseshoes.


Paris1127: The fact that New Jersey hasn't elected a Republican to the Senate in 40 years and its solid blue state status (aside from the Governor) didn't really give a lot of incentive for a huge turnout among liberals.



Aaaand we're done here.
 
2013-10-17 12:57:26 PM
you see Libtards, sometimes you come in 2nd, the fine Conservatives of NJ have proven that the nation isn't ready to let the Republican party come in 3rd & that's a hell of a lot better than losing like Obama and his approval polls.

check & mate.

/you guys are so screwed
 
2013-10-17 01:00:28 PM

PiffMan420: ManateeGag: 10 points on a special election day on a Wednesday in October?

yeah, I think liberals did just fine.

With the Tea Bagger spending a LOT more in attack ads and media buys?

Close only counts in horseshoes.



and grenades
 
2013-10-17 01:01:49 PM
Why has fiscally conservative governor Christie wasted taxpayer dollars for a special election so close to the November elections?
 
2013-10-17 01:01:55 PM
Did nobody RTFA?

"Booker's 55 percent was the most any candidate's won in an open seat race for U.S. Senate in New Jersey since the 1930 election of Dwight Morrow. It's vanishingly rare for a New Jersey candidate to crack 60 percent statewide; it hadn't been done since 1984, the first re-election of Bill Bradley."

Sounds like an ass-kickin to me then combine that with it was a special election with diminished voter turnout and I think it makes a solid statement that the Tea-Party approach is out of favor in NJ (and hopefully falling fast everywhere)
 
2013-10-17 01:01:58 PM

Giltric: ScaryBottles: 11 points is savage ass kicking no matter how you spin it.

In a blue state?

Vs a Tea Party guy?

Really?

Should have been a 40 point win in Blue Jersey.


When was the last time a Senate race in New Jersey had a 40 point spread on normal election day, much less on a special election?
 
2013-10-17 01:02:34 PM

MFAWG: organizmx: MFAWG: In New Joisey the traditional big city machines are Republican, so the normal rules tend not to apply.

Wha?

It's true, and used to be more so during the heyday of union dominated machine politics.


What are you talking about? George Norcross (D-ickbag) practically owns that state.
 
2013-10-17 01:05:07 PM
how many votes in the Senate does 'close' get you?  Oh, none?  howaboutthat.
 
2013-10-17 01:05:17 PM

RubberBandMan: Why has fiscally conservative governor Christie wasted taxpayer dollars for a special election so close to the November elections?


i.huffpost.com

"Because teachers and poor black people and toll booth workers and fark you, pal. You want a piece of this?"
 
2013-10-17 01:06:47 PM

monoski: Did nobody RTFA?

"Booker's 55 percent was the most any candidate's won in an open seat race for U.S. Senate in New Jersey since the 1930 election of Dwight Morrow. It's vanishingly rare for a New Jersey candidate to crack 60 percent statewide; it hadn't been done since 1984, the first re-election of Bill Bradley."

Sounds like an ass-kickin to me then combine that with it was a special election with diminished voter turnout and I think it makes a solid statement that the Tea-Party approach is out of favor in NJ (and hopefully falling fast everywhere)


Yeah, I just don't really agree. It's also vanishingly rare for a full-blown wingnut to run in a statewide election. This is the state of Thomas Kean and Christie Whitman. Chris Christie is about as far to the right as they get, and even he doesn't openly embrace the Tea Party and is capable of saying nice things about Obama. (Heck, his current commercials show him bragging about his ability to compromise, something I've never heard from Lonegan.)

The diminished turnout part, I understand.
 
2013-10-17 01:09:44 PM
Where's Fark's dedicated anti-Booker troll?  I thought he was going to prove that Booker doesn't have a long-form New Jersey residency certificate and therefore Snooki is Governor.
 
2013-10-17 01:10:27 PM

Super Chronic: monoski: Did nobody RTFA?

"Booker's 55 percent was the most any candidate's won in an open seat race for U.S. Senate in New Jersey since the 1930 election of Dwight Morrow. It's vanishingly rare for a New Jersey candidate to crack 60 percent statewide; it hadn't been done since 1984, the first re-election of Bill Bradley."

Sounds like an ass-kickin to me then combine that with it was a special election with diminished voter turnout and I think it makes a solid statement that the Tea-Party approach is out of favor in NJ (and hopefully falling fast everywhere)

Yeah, I just don't really agree. It's also vanishingly rare for a full-blown wingnut to run in a statewide election. This is the state of Thomas Kean and Christie Whitman. Chris Christie is about as far to the right as they get, and even he doesn't openly embrace the Tea Party and is capable of saying nice things about Obama. (Heck, his current commercials show him bragging about his ability to compromise, something I've never heard from Lonegan.)

The diminished turnout part, I understand.


The wingnuts show up for special elections. The wingnuts show up for every election.  The average voter shows up for elections they think matter; and nobody really took Lonegan seriously enough as a threat to Booker to feel the need to get out.  When you have a low turnout you have a high concentration of wingnut.
 
2013-10-17 01:11:26 PM
I'm failing to understand the significance of a Republican losing a race for a seat that hasn't been won by a Republican in four decades or more.

He was never expected to win, he was never going to win, and him not winning doesn't "prove" anything other than Jersey elects democratic Senators just like they always have.

Now, if he HAD one, that would mean something, but as it is... meh.
 
2013-10-17 01:12:32 PM

Rwa2play: IOW, you jagoffs prefer getting smoked by at least a 25% margin?


Just wait to see what happens if Ted Cruz gets the nomination in 2016, could possibly be the first time a presidential candidate walks away with zero electoral college votes and about 5% of the popular vote.
 
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