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(Politico)   Jeb Bush has advice for Republican Party "We have to have an agenda, we just can't be against what's in front of Washington, D.C. ... maybe actually pass a law through the regular, normal order and see if it works"   (politico.com ) divider line
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2013-10-17 11:05:19 AM  
Just because I needed a bit of schadenfreude this morning, I ducked over to freeperville, and surprise, surprise, the teabaggers are already calling for his head because he has the audacity to call for ideas and an agenda beyond just blind rage and opposition to anything Obama does.

What kind of bizarro world is this when half of a party thinks the lesson to learn from the greatest public perception disaster in decades is that they didn't go far enough...
 
2013-10-17 11:06:34 AM  
that's so crazy, it just might work!
 
2013-10-17 11:12:21 AM  

TuteTibiImperes: Just because I needed a bit of schadenfreude this morning, I ducked over to freeperville, and surprise, surprise, the teabaggers are already calling for his head because he has the audacity to call for ideas and an agenda beyond just blind rage and opposition to anything Obama does.

What kind of bizarro world is this when half of a party thinks the lesson to learn from the greatest public perception disaster in decades is that they didn't go far enough...


That's really the part I don't get at all.

OK.  You have your beliefs and your ideology.  But if you want to further them, you have to have a strategy.  THAT is the primary reason teabaggers and freepers and their ilk cannot be reasoned with.  Their ideology is almost secondary.
 
2013-10-17 11:14:05 AM  
Jesus, I never thought I'd see the day when I actually agreed with him.  He must be gearing up the campaign machine.
 
2013-10-17 11:14:08 AM  
The last time Congress passed a law through regular normal order we ended up with Fartbong0care.

Fool me once, shame on...shame on you. Fool me...you can't get fooled again.
 
2013-10-17 11:16:12 AM  

PainInTheASP: Jesus, I never thought I'd see the day when I actually agreed with him.  He must be gearing up the campaign machine.


In this environment?
 
2013-10-17 11:16:37 AM  
They HAVE an agenda.  And their agenda is to shaft as many Americans as possible.

Take the centerpiece of the GOP health care reform plan, which is to let insurers sell across state lines.  This would allow health insurers to move to states that stripped out the most consumer protections the fastest.  Forget pre-existing conditions.  Your pre-pre-pre-existing conditions wouldn't even be covered.

That's their plan, and it appears they're sticking to it.
 
2013-10-17 11:17:25 AM  

PainInTheASP: Jesus, I never thought I'd see the day when I actually agreed with him.  He must be gearing up the campaign machine.


Even a stopped clock is right twice a day, and what's been going on lately has been stupid enough to break time.
 
2013-10-17 11:18:06 AM  

Diogenes: PainInTheASP: Jesus, I never thought I'd see the day when I actually agreed with him.  He must be gearing up the campaign machine.

In this environment?


Okay....maybe just pumping up the tires and checking the fluids.
 
2013-10-17 11:19:08 AM  

Diogenes: PainInTheASP: Jesus, I never thought I'd see the day when I actually agreed with him.  He must be gearing up the campaign machine.

In this environment?


If he made it through the primaries he'd have a better shot in a general election than Cruz, Santorum, Rubio, or Rand Paul.
 
2013-10-17 11:19:16 AM  
Novel idea.
 
2013-10-17 11:19:47 AM  

TuteTibiImperes: Just because I needed a bit of schadenfreude this morning, I ducked over to freeperville, and surprise, surprise, the teabaggers are already calling for his head because he has the audacity to call for ideas and an agenda beyond just blind rage and opposition to anything Obama does.

What kind of bizarro world is this when half of a party thinks the lesson to learn from the greatest public perception disaster in decades is that they didn't go far enough...


I would argue that the perception of the party go no worse... just kind of reinforced whatever your view of them was before this happened.

the awful truth here is that McConnell gets an election saving $2 billion dollar pig for his state... he cared about the "party" and "winning" only as much as he cared about continuing to be a senator.  Kind of sad, really.

I think if the Republicans elected only people alergic to saying the word "god" in public over the next two cycles they'd have complete control over the house and senate for decades.
 
2013-10-17 11:20:33 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: Your pre-pre-pre-existing conditions wouldn't even be covered.


Since life inevitably ends in death, your mere existence will be considered a pre-existing condition.

Claim denied.
 
2013-10-17 11:20:39 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: They HAVE an agenda.  And their agenda is to shaft as many Americans as possible.

Take the centerpiece of the GOP health care reform plan, which is to let insurers sell across state lines.  This would allow health insurers to move to states that stripped out the most consumer protections the fastest.  Forget pre-existing conditions.  Your pre-pre-pre-existing conditions wouldn't even be covered.

That's their plan, and it appears they're sticking to it.


Lucky for you the ACA passed and this can never happen.  It's kind of moot now.
 
2013-10-17 11:23:37 AM  

Eddie Adams from Torrance: Marcus Aurelius: Your pre-pre-pre-existing conditions wouldn't even be covered.

Since life inevitably ends in death, your mere existence will be considered a pre-existing condition.

Claim denied.


I can see you are familiar with the workings of the insurance industry.
 
2013-10-17 11:24:57 AM  

bradkanus: Marcus Aurelius: They HAVE an agenda.  And their agenda is to shaft as many Americans as possible.

Take the centerpiece of the GOP health care reform plan, which is to let insurers sell across state lines.  This would allow health insurers to move to states that stripped out the most consumer protections the fastest.  Forget pre-existing conditions.  Your pre-pre-pre-existing conditions wouldn't even be covered.

That's their plan, and it appears they're sticking to it.

Lucky for you the ACA passed and this can never happen.  It's kind of moot now.


Which makes the GOP's continued position in favor of cross-state sales simply an admission of servitude to their corporate masters.
 
2013-10-17 11:31:42 AM  

TuteTibiImperes: Just because I needed a bit of schadenfreude this morning, I ducked over to freeperville, and surprise, surprise, the teabaggers are already calling for his head because he has the audacity to call for ideas and an agenda beyond just blind rage and opposition to anything Obama does.

What kind of bizarro world is this when half of a party thinks the lesson to learn from the greatest public perception disaster in decades is that they didn't go far enough...


Its a world with religious zealots in control of the GOP.

Heres my take on it reposted from an earlier thread

Once upon a time when the internet was young an ambitious troll named Drudge conceived of a plan to make Evangelicals spend their money. So he conflagrated fears about the Y2K virus with the return of Jesus and sold a whole lot of page clicks. When civilization did not end and the faithful did not get their Rapture it could only mean that they wern't pure enough. We sinners had done our part after all. Jesus had not stood up his personal army on their big date because of a lack of wickedness in the world. No. It was because they had not been zealous enough in their mission.

So they went into local politics with a renewed zeal, stocked up on armaments, and joined FB. They found ways to actually deprive women on their rights - instead of just complaining about it as they had done for decades. Now they are determined to make the world ready for Jesus. They think the US is the Second Rome foretold to fall just before Jesus shows up and they are determined to bring that about.

In the meantime Drudge has become a media powerhouse.

They are religious zealots. Stop trying to ascribe logic to their motives.
 
2013-10-17 11:45:16 AM  
t0.gstatic.com
 
2013-10-17 11:47:38 AM  

Eddie Adams from Torrance: The last time Congress passed a law through regular normal order we ended up with Fartbong0care.

Fool me once, shame on...shame on you. Fool me...you can't get fooled again.


There is nothing normal about legislation that's signed by a Kenyan usurper.
 
2013-10-17 11:49:42 AM  

kbronsito: Eddie Adams from Torrance: The last time Congress passed a law through regular normal order we ended up with Fartbong0care.

Fool me once, shame on...shame on you. Fool me...you can't get fooled again.

There is nothing normal about legislation that's signed by a Kenyan usurper.


lol
 
2013-10-17 12:09:49 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: bradkanus: Marcus Aurelius: They HAVE an agenda.  And their agenda is to shaft as many Americans as possible.

Take the centerpiece of the GOP health care reform plan, which is to let insurers sell across state lines.  This would allow health insurers to move to states that stripped out the most consumer protections the fastest.  Forget pre-existing conditions.  Your pre-pre-pre-existing conditions wouldn't even be covered.

That's their plan, and it appears they're sticking to it.

Lucky for you the ACA passed and this can never happen.  It's kind of moot now.

Which makes the GOP's continued position in favor of cross-state sales simply an admission of servitude to their corporate masters.


Uh... insurance companies are actually much happier with ACA than they ever will be with across state lines.  You seem to misunderstand who the big winner is after Obamacare  - it's insurance companies.
 
2013-10-17 12:20:21 PM  
Yeah, maybe you guys should try to fix something instead of just trying to figure out how to make Obama look bad.

Give it a try. People might be dumb enough to start trusting you again.
 
2013-10-17 12:25:58 PM  
RINO!
 
2013-10-17 12:29:19 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: Diogenes: PainInTheASP: Jesus, I never thought I'd see the day when I actually agreed with him.  He must be gearing up the campaign machine.

In this environment?

If he made it through the primaries he'd have a better shot in a general election than Cruz, Santorum, Rubio, or Rand Paul.




He'll never ever overcome the shadows of incompetence cast by George W. Bush.
 
2013-10-17 12:33:36 PM  

Lando Lincoln: Yeah, maybe you guys should try to fix something instead of just trying to figure out how to make Obama look bad.

Give it a try. People might be dumb enough to start trusting you again.


Do you have any idea how much longer it takes to build something than smash it? There's only so much time left before the End Times, my friend.
 
2013-10-17 12:34:14 PM  

quickdraw: TuteTibiImperes: Just because I needed a bit of schadenfreude this morning, I ducked over to freeperville, and surprise, surprise, the teabaggers are already calling for his head because he has the audacity to call for ideas and an agenda beyond just blind rage and opposition to anything Obama does.

What kind of bizarro world is this when half of a party thinks the lesson to learn from the greatest public perception disaster in decades is that they didn't go far enough...

Its a world with religious zealots in control of the GOP.

Heres my take on it reposted from an earlier thread

Once upon a time when the internet was young an ambitious troll named Drudge conceived of a plan to make Evangelicals spend their money. So he conflagrated fears about the Y2K virus with the return of Jesus and sold a whole lot of page clicks. When civilization did not end and the faithful did not get their Rapture it could only mean that they wern't pure enough. We sinners had done our part after all. Jesus had not stood up his personal army on their big date because of a lack of wickedness in the world. No. It was because they had not been zealous enough in their mission.

So they went into local politics with a renewed zeal, stocked up on armaments, and joined FB. They found ways to actually deprive women on their rights - instead of just complaining about it as they had done for decades. Now they are determined to make the world ready for Jesus. They think the US is the Second Rome foretold to fall just before Jesus shows up and they are determined to bring that about.

In the meantime Drudge has become a media powerhouse.

They are religious zealots. Stop trying to ascribe logic to their motives.


A couple of things here: I think people often ignore how much power Drudge has in the news cycle.

He literally sets the daily agenda for guys like Rush, Hannity, and Beck. If you check Drudge in the morning, and then listen to any of the right wing talk shows, the Drudge report is a literal checklist of the things they will be talking about on any given day.

I also find it indescribably hilarious Drudge has become the guy that effectively runs the conservative news cycles and has energized and fueled the ultra conservative base, what with him being gay and all.
 
2013-10-17 12:35:12 PM  
People advocating this are just eliding the problem. The failure to go through regular order is a sympton, not a cause, of our problem. The reality is that the Republican Party will not, ever, ever vote to raise taxes. Ever. They won't even consider it. That makes regular negotiation impossible. And the GOP knows this. That's why they abandoned regular order, in order to try to extract concessions via crisis, which they thought would let them get something for nothing.

Until someone in the GOP steps up to the plate on taxes, nothing will change. And pretending otherwise does not make anyone a moderate.
 
2013-10-17 12:35:39 PM  
Governance is hard :(
 
2013-10-17 12:35:59 PM  

bradkanus: Marcus Aurelius: bradkanus: Marcus Aurelius: They HAVE an agenda.  And their agenda is to shaft as many Americans as possible.

Take the centerpiece of the GOP health care reform plan, which is to let insurers sell across state lines.  This would allow health insurers to move to states that stripped out the most consumer protections the fastest.  Forget pre-existing conditions.  Your pre-pre-pre-existing conditions wouldn't even be covered.

That's their plan, and it appears they're sticking to it.

Lucky for you the ACA passed and this can never happen.  It's kind of moot now.

Which makes the GOP's continued position in favor of cross-state sales simply an admission of servitude to their corporate masters.

Uh... insurance companies are actually much happier with ACA than they ever will be with across state lines.  You seem to misunderstand who the big winner is after Obamacare  - it's insurance companies.


Oh yeah, I'm sure they're thrilled at having to cover pre-existing conditions and spend 80% of premiums on healthcare rather than profit.
 
2013-10-17 12:38:06 PM  
They have an agenda - defund the government and pay no taxes. That's it. That includes killing Obamacare, gutting Medicare and Social Security, WIC, any sort of welfare, while of course subsidizing agribusiness and oil and finding a country to start a war with so their buds in the defense industry can make bank. They talk a ton about states' rights, but of course at the state level they are pushing to gut everything there too.

Their agenda sucks. The only way they'll fix the party is if they realize their agenda sucks and they become more moderate and willing to work with Democrats. That isn't going to happen anytime in the near future. They are controlled by the 1 percenters.

Jeb Bush is just as bad as the rest of them, he just needs to appear more moderate so he'll win the election in 2016. Sadly, he probably has a shot before the base begins to die off in earnest and the GOP becomes irrelevant.

You want to fix the deficits and debt? Increase taxes on the rich, and agree to cut funding to stuff you like on your side, like defense, in exchange to fixing Medicare. F*ck Paul Ryan's stupid budget proposal. Realize that unemployment is going to continue to be a problem.

But that won't happen, your party is going to die. The iceberg has already hit it. And I'm going to eat popcorn while the ship sinks.
 
2013-10-17 12:38:33 PM  

bradkanus: Marcus Aurelius: bradkanus: Marcus Aurelius: They HAVE an agenda.  And their agenda is to shaft as many Americans as possible.

Take the centerpiece of the GOP health care reform plan, which is to let insurers sell across state lines.  This would allow health insurers to move to states that stripped out the most consumer protections the fastest.  Forget pre-existing conditions.  Your pre-pre-pre-existing conditions wouldn't even be covered.

That's their plan, and it appears they're sticking to it.

Lucky for you the ACA passed and this can never happen.  It's kind of moot now.

Which makes the GOP's continued position in favor of cross-state sales simply an admission of servitude to their corporate masters.

Uh... insurance companies are actually much happier with ACA than they ever will be with across state lines.  You seem to misunderstand who the big winner is after Obamacare  - it's insurance companies.


Oh, I understand that completely.

I also understand it could be a lot worse, as opposed to being a little bit better.  There are no liberals in Washington.  If there were, we'd have single payer.
 
2013-10-17 12:39:03 PM  
The GOP already has an agenda...and that's kinda their problem. Nobody likes it very much. Oh, and they seem to be a party of raging assholes and egomaniacs.
 
2013-10-17 12:39:46 PM  

DamnYankees: People advocating this are just eliding the problem. The failure to go through regular order is a sympton, not a cause, of our problem. The reality is that the Republican Party will not, ever, ever vote to raise taxes. Ever. They won't even consider it. That makes regular negotiation impossible. And the GOP knows this. That's why they abandoned regular order, in order to try to extract concessions via crisis, which they thought would let them get something for nothing.

Until someone in the GOP steps up to the plate on taxes, nothing will change. And pretending otherwise does not make anyone a moderate.


Actually, they're more than happy to raise taxes on the poor and middle class, but only if they control Congress and the White House.
 
2013-10-17 12:41:50 PM  

Weaver95: The GOP already has an agenda...and that's kinda their problem. Nobody likes it very much. Oh, and they seem to be a party of raging assholes and egomaniacs.


It's a "messaging" issue!
 
2013-10-17 12:43:45 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: Diogenes: PainInTheASP: Jesus, I never thought I'd see the day when I actually agreed with him.  He must be gearing up the campaign machine.

In this environment?

If he made it through the primaries he'd have a better shot in a general election than Cruz, Santorum, Rubio, or Rand Paul.


He'll make it through the primaries in all likelihood. He'll be the 2016 candidate.

Look Romney was a sack of sh*t, wasn't particularly great in the primaries, except he didn't make any huge mistakes or pull a Howard Dean or anything. The states with any real population and the largest number of delegates are Blue and Purple states, with the exception of Texas. Those states determine the GOP candidate, and those states are by and large more moderate.

That may be changing as the GOP shifts ever right, but California, Oregon, Washington, New York, Michigan, Illinois, the east coast? Is anyone seriously going to take Florida away from Jeb?
 
2013-10-17 12:47:51 PM  
media.caglecartoons.com
 
2013-10-17 12:48:37 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: Weaver95: The GOP already has an agenda...and that's kinda their problem. Nobody likes it very much. Oh, and they seem to be a party of raging assholes and egomaniacs.

It's a "messaging" issue!


When you've built your party platform on religious brainwashing and loaded words, the only solution to every loss is that you didn't explain yourself well enough. The takeaway for both parties should be that you can't live in an echo chamber. You have to admit that Quantum Romney almost made it, and that a good 30+% of the public still blamed Democrats and Obama for the shutdown. Those to me are scary numbers.
 
2013-10-17 12:48:58 PM  
I'll still campaign against you, JEB! As a resident of Florida, I will campaign against you.

America has no need of hereditary political families. Or do we aspire to be a monarchy? A banana Republic?
 
2013-10-17 12:55:28 PM  

DamnYankees: Until someone in the GOP steps up to the plate on taxes, nothing will change. And pretending otherwise does not make anyone a moderate.


Now you've done it, you've woken Grover.
 
2013-10-17 12:56:16 PM  

bdub77: Marcus Aurelius: Weaver95: The GOP already has an agenda...and that's kinda their problem. Nobody likes it very much. Oh, and they seem to be a party of raging assholes and egomaniacs.

It's a "messaging" issue!

When you've built your party platform on religious brainwashing and loaded words, the only solution to every loss is that you didn't explain yourself well enough. The takeaway for both parties should be that you can't live in an echo chamber. You have to admit that Quantum Romney almost made it, and that a good 30+% of the public still blamed Democrats and Obama for the shutdown. Those to me are scary numbers.


Thisl.  A tea bagger congress-critter  this morning was saying that their only failure was in not communicating their message more effectively.
 
2013-10-17 01:00:45 PM  

mrshowrules: bdub77: Marcus Aurelius: Weaver95: The GOP already has an agenda...and that's kinda their problem. Nobody likes it very much. Oh, and they seem to be a party of raging assholes and egomaniacs.

It's a "messaging" issue!

When you've built your party platform on religious brainwashing and loaded words, the only solution to every loss is that you didn't explain yourself well enough. The takeaway for both parties should be that you can't live in an echo chamber. You have to admit that Quantum Romney almost made it, and that a good 30+% of the public still blamed Democrats and Obama for the shutdown. Those to me are scary numbers.

Thisl.  A tea bagger congress-critter  this morning was saying that their only failure was in not communicating their message more effectively.


It'll only get harder to reinforce the walls of the echo chamber. The generation that relies primarily on television for news is dying off and being replaced rapidly by a much more skeptical and media-savvy. The Tea Party is the last gasp of the Reagan era social conservatives while they still have any clout.
 
2013-10-17 01:06:22 PM  

Elegy: I think people often ignore how much power Drudge has in the news cycle.

He literally sets the daily agenda for guys like Rush, Hannity, and Beck. If you check Drudge in the morning, and then listen to any of the right wing talk shows, the Drudge report is a literal checklist of the things they will be talking about on any given day.



Absolutely but the even scarier thing is he sets the agenda for ALL the networks. CNN and MSNBC lead with the same stories. They may slant it slightly differently but its the same hot mess of misinformation. He is the reason the media behaved the way they did during the shutdown. They do zero research - they just grab his headlines and react.
 
2013-10-17 01:12:04 PM  
"There're 30 Republican governors, I think all of them probably will get reelected"

 Paul LePage?
 
2013-10-17 01:12:50 PM  

quickdraw: Elegy: I think people often ignore how much power Drudge has in the news cycle.

He literally sets the daily agenda for guys like Rush, Hannity, and Beck. If you check Drudge in the morning, and then listen to any of the right wing talk shows, the Drudge report is a literal checklist of the things they will be talking about on any given day.


Absolutely but the even scarier thing is he sets the agenda for ALL the networks. CNN and MSNBC lead with the same stories. They may slant it slightly differently but its the same hot mess of misinformation. He is the reason the media behaved the way they did during the shutdown. They do zero research - they just grab his headlines and react.


I find this particularly disturbing because my dad would often talk about how I really need to read the Drudge Report back in the late 90's and he pulled it up on the computer one day to show me. I already knew it was nonsense before I looked because my dad liked to push 700 Club crap and Jack Van Impe and John Hagee books on me. So basically if he was recommending it, it was something to stay very far away from. I thought it was a stupid website created by some random nutjob and I never looked at it again. I certainly didn't expect it to become something which informs the media cycle the way it does today.
 
2013-10-17 01:18:45 PM  

DamnYankees: Until someone in the GOP steps up to the plate on taxes, nothing will change. And pretending otherwise does not make anyone a moderate.


Which leaves me wondering just what Murray and Ryan are talking about.

"Chairman Ryan knows that I'm not going to vote for his budget; I know he's not going to vote for mine," Murray said. We're going to try to find the common ground between our two budgets that we can vote on and that's our goal."

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/10/17/usa-fiscal-budget-idUSL1N0I 7 11020131017
 
2013-10-17 01:21:13 PM  
Did he get tired of running cocaine?
 
2013-10-17 01:34:50 PM  

tallguywithglasseson: "There're 30 Republican governors, I think all of them probably will get reelected"

 Paul LePage?


Yeah, that's one part I don't agree with.

Between LePage in Maine, Scott in Florida, Walker in WI, and Corbett in PA, at least one of them, if not most or all of them, are going down.
 
2013-10-17 02:04:53 PM  
"There're 30 Republican governors, I think all of them probably will get reelected, the ones that are running, and it's because they are focused on those issues not on overreaching


 You mean like banning abortion, not allowing people to have their healthcare paid by the federal government and disenfranchising people?
 
2013-10-17 02:05:24 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: Diogenes: PainInTheASP: Jesus, I never thought I'd see the day when I actually agreed with him.  He must be gearing up the campaign machine.

In this environment?

If he made it through the primaries he'd have a better shot in a general election than Cruz, Santorum, Rubio, or Rand Paul.


If GOP got it together they would look at Christie, Huntsman and Bush as contenders, these are three guys that would have a shot in the general election but would die fast in the primaries.
 
2013-10-17 02:05:25 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: Just because I needed a bit of schadenfreude this morning, I ducked over to freeperville, and surprise, surprise, the teabaggers are already calling for his head because he has the audacity to call for ideas and an agenda beyond just blind rage and opposition to anything Obama does.

What kind of bizarro world is this when half of a party thinks the lesson to learn from the greatest public perception disaster in decades is that they didn't go far enough...


I'M SENDING IN MORE TRAINS
 
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