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(Sportige)   For some reason, even after winning two NBA titles there seems to be some lingering doubt about LeBron James' ability with the game on the line   (sportige.com) divider line 120
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2013-10-17 09:39:12 AM
This smells like it was written by a certain team owner in Cleveland...
 
2013-10-17 12:08:33 PM
Let me know when he wins 6 like MJ...
 
2013-10-17 12:11:32 PM
Does Lebron James really need white knights?
 
2013-10-17 12:12:06 PM
Without getting into whether LBJ is "clutch" or not..... winning title's would have nothing to do with that.... if you can win most of your games by 10 points, you are never going to have the "game on the line" anyway... which, isn't that what you (as a team) want?

It is an interesting question though, because, honestly, it ISN'T what the league wants on a regular basis.... I've never seen a stat on how many games are within a "winnable" point range for the team behind (or tied) in the final minute... but, if lets say the average across the NBA is 40%.... if a really good team is at like 10% or less... doesn't that make their games fairly "boring".... the team gets off to a big lead, maybe some flux in the lead as the game goes on, but, by the end, the lead is somewhere around 9 points in the final minute and they've basically "won", you are just playing out foul shots and desperation 3's.    IMO, when people claim the NBA might be trying to have ref's "control" the outcomes of games, I'd be less likely to think it was to get certain teams winning/losing... and just them (the league) wanting to make sure the games are "interesting" in the last 5 minutes.

An interesting stat would be across the board how many games in the NBA is the game within at least 5 points at any point in the final minute, and maybe see those splits for teams wins/losses.
 
2013-10-17 12:14:47 PM
Beating a dead horse gif to the white courtesy phone please?

Before LBJ, Kobe, MJ, Elgin Baylor, James Worthy, Dr. J ... the list goes on and on ...

How many times do we have to see great players at the top of their careers without making comparisons that don't mean jack shiat?  He will definitely go down in history as one of the top 10 best players in the game.  And he's not done yet.

ESPN has become the TMZ of sports journalism.
 
2013-10-17 12:23:48 PM
Didnt he put this to rest in Boston a few years back?

Dr. Kefarkian: ESPN has become the TMZ of sports journalism.


Gotta create narratives.
 
2013-10-17 12:24:51 PM
I, for one, won't be impressed until he wins 6 consecutive titles while averaging 45 points, 20 rebounds and 15 assists per game and hits a minimum of 3 game-winning half court hook shots at the buzzer.
 
2013-10-17 12:26:17 PM
Instead of talking about this crap here is a crazy stat:

The Spurs had one alley-oop all of last season and five total over the previous two combined.
 
2013-10-17 12:26:27 PM

Dr. Kefarkian: Beating a dead horse gif to the white courtesy phone please?

Before LBJ, Kobe, MJ, Elgin Baylor, James Worthy, Dr. J ... the list goes on and on ...

How many times do we have to see great players at the top of their careers without making comparisons that don't mean jack shiat?  He will definitely go down in history as one of the top 10 best players in the game.  And he's not done yet.

ESPN has become the TMZ of sports journalism.


Uhhh what?
 
2013-10-17 12:27:01 PM

Anastacya: This smells like it was written by a certain team owner in Cleveland...


Yes, because the only people who had a problem back then with LeBron were people associate with Cleveland, right?  If anything, they forgave and forgot his conduct sooner than the rest of the nation.
 
2013-10-17 12:29:46 PM

justtray: Does Lebron James really need white knights?


I can't speak for everyone, but I imagine most people aren't white knighting LeBron specifically so much as being annoyed with, and arguing against, inane old-world logic about "clutchyness" and other farking nonsense that can be hard for someone with an IQ in the triple digits to simply ignore after awhile.
 
2013-10-17 12:41:06 PM
Holy fark, I'm a Lakers fan and by default love me some Kobe..

But if you can't recognize that LBJ is going to be one of the finest basketball players to ever suit up, I feel sorry for you.

Truth be told, I'm a Lakers fan and not an NBA fan. I can watch a Marlins-Padres* tilt in September and be entertained, but watching a random NBA game just isn't my thing.

* that said, Jose Fernandez could be pitching and Stanton could be raking.**
** that said said, If LBJ is playing on TNT in December I might stop for a few minutes to watch him play because he is freaking amazing.
 
2013-10-17 12:41:54 PM

T.rex: Anastacya: This smells like it was written by a certain team owner in Cleveland...

Yes, because the only people who had a problem back then with LeBron were people associate with Cleveland, right?  If anything, they forgave and forgot his conduct sooner than the rest of the nation.


The people of Cleveland, maybe. That says nothing about ONE MAN, which is who my comment referenced. But thank you for bringing up a completely unrelated point.
 
2013-10-17 12:42:56 PM
I love anonymous sources, any writer can just make this up to stir up controversy and discussion
 
2013-10-17 12:43:21 PM
3.....2......1......
 
2013-10-17 12:45:00 PM

The Muthaship: 3.....2......1......


It is the lunch hour.  He will be here soon.
 
2013-10-17 12:45:10 PM
Oh, and I forgot to add that I'll watch Lebron play because he is probably the closest thing to Magic* that we'll see in our lifetime. And I Magic is on my personal Mt. Rushmore of favorite athletes (Magic, Valenzuela, and Elway).

* Lebron might end up being better than Magic. And for someone that loves him some Magic, that is a bold statement.
 
2013-10-17 12:51:10 PM
Dr J didn't bail on the Sixers even though they had a hard time winning a championship while he was there. And the end result was the owners/team finally got the missing pieces to help the Sixers win the Finals in 1983, with the acknowledgement that this Sixers team was probably among one the best NBA teams ever. I would have liked to have seen LeBron stick it out in Cleveland and try to win championships there.
 
2013-10-17 12:51:40 PM
The only problem I have with this guy is the stupid headband. Someone grab it and yank his head to the floor so he knows it's a strategic weakness.
 
2013-10-17 12:54:06 PM

skinink: Dr J didn't bail on the Sixers even though they had a hard time winning a championship while he was there. And the end result was the owners/team finally got the missing pieces to help the Sixers win the Finals in 1983, with the acknowledgement that this Sixers team was probably among one the best NBA teams ever. I would have liked to have seen LeBron stick it out in Cleveland and try to win championships there.


So you dislike any player who leaves a team and then goes somewhere to win a title?
 
2013-10-17 12:54:45 PM

rjakobi: The only problem I have with this guy is the stupid headband. Someone grab it and yank his head to the floor so he knows it's a strategic weakness.


*groan*  We are really grasping at straws now.
 
2013-10-17 12:56:50 PM

Tarl3k: Let me know when he wins 6 like MJ...


MJ won his first title when he was 28.  Lebron is 28 right now and already has two titles.  Just give LeBron some time, especially now that he doesn't play for the Comic Sans Cavaliers.

T.rex: Anastacya: This smells like it was written by a certain team owner in Cleveland...

Yes, because the only people who had a problem back then with LeBron were people associate with Cleveland, right?  If anything, they forgave and forgot his conduct sooner than the rest of the nation.


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Look, the decision was douchey, I'll give you that.  However, Cleveland has NOT gotten over it and it seems you can't go a week during basketball season without seeing a Cavs fan biatch about LeBron.  He left because Dan Gilbert couldn't get anyone decent to join him and all the Comic Sans rants in the world won't change that.  I mean, the Cavs went, what, 19-63 without him and had a record breaking losing streak?  He knew he wouldn't win shiat so he left.  Blame Gilbert for him leaving or blame Cleveland for being such a shiathole that no one wants to go there.
 
2013-10-17 12:57:45 PM

ladodger34: Oh, and I forgot to add that I'll watch Lebron play because he is probably the closest thing to Magic* that we'll see in our lifetime. And I Magic is on my personal Mt. Rushmore of favorite athletes (Magic, Valenzuela, and Elway).

* Lebron might end up being better than Magic. And for someone that loves him some Magic, that is a bold statement.


I dont think he honestly tries hard enough to have as complete of a game, generally on the rebounds he often settles, no reason he shouldnt have more triple doubles I think he is probably in the low thirties magic probably had 150
 
2013-10-17 12:58:33 PM

Gunny Highway: skinink: Dr J didn't bail on the Sixers even though they had a hard time winning a championship while he was there. And the end result was the owners/team finally got the missing pieces to help the Sixers win the Finals in 1983, with the acknowledgement that this Sixers team was probably among one the best NBA teams ever. I would have liked to have seen LeBron stick it out in Cleveland and try to win championships there.

So you dislike any player who leaves a team and then goes somewhere to win a title?


Virginia Squires fans never forgave Doc......
 
2013-10-17 12:59:14 PM

skinink: Dr J didn't bail on the Sixers even though they had a hard time winning a championship while he was there. And the end result was the owners/team finally got the missing pieces to help the Sixers win the Finals in 1983, with the acknowledgement that this Sixers team was probably among one the best NBA teams ever. I would have liked to have seen LeBron stick it out in Cleveland and try to win championships there.


Dan Gilbert was unwilling to give LeBron a supporting cast so he left.  The Sixers were willing to surround Dr J with talent, the Cavs weren't able to do this (or were unwilling to do this).
 
2013-10-17 01:00:27 PM
James, unlike the other two, doesn't always thinks about shooting the ball when the game is on the line. He does what he thinks is best for his team.

Steve Kerr approves.
 
2013-10-17 01:03:28 PM
This is so ridiculous. Saying people prefer Jordan or Kobe isn't an insult. It's not disrespectful to say someone isn't the greatest of all time at everything.
 
2013-10-17 01:05:15 PM

llortcM_yllort: MJ won his first title when he was 28. Lebron is 28 right now and already has two titles. Just give LeBron some time, especially now that he doesn't play for the Comic Sans Cavaliers.


LeBron has a ton more NBA minutes on his legs than MJ did at the same age and he's bigger and heavier.   I think LeBron's game is going to age reasonably well but he will probably start to lose some of the otherworldy athleticism in the next couple years and I wouldn't be surprised if Durant passes him as the best player in the league.  The Heat are still probably the title favorite this year but picking up 4+ more titles is a tall order.
 
2013-10-17 01:06:23 PM

ladodger34: LBJ


dletter: LBJ


I laugh to myself every time I see the name shortened to LBJ, because I'm immature and hear it as "El BJ", which of course translates to English as "The BJ".

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2013-10-17 01:06:29 PM

Gunny Highway: skinink: Dr J didn't bail on the Sixers even though they had a hard time winning a championship while he was there. And the end result was the owners/team finally got the missing pieces to help the Sixers win the Finals in 1983, with the acknowledgement that this Sixers team was probably among one the best NBA teams ever. I would have liked to have seen LeBron stick it out in Cleveland and try to win championships there.

So you dislike any player who leaves a team and then goes somewhere to win a title?


I see what you're doing, and I really like it.

As for Dr. J, he couldn't have left the Sixers if he wanted to, free agency was still years away from being a reality.  That's why all the Bird/Magic/Jordan "he never left" arguments are idiotic, in addition to the fact that all of them were playing in top US cities, not the same depressing and dreary area in which they grew up.

And good luck finding anyone as good as George McGinnis on any of LeBron's Cleveland teams.
 
2013-10-17 01:08:38 PM

llortcM_yllort: Dan Gilbert was unwilling to give LeBron a supporting cast so he left.


oh c'mon, everyone knows Jordan would win like 5 titles with Eric Snow, Drew Gooden, and Ira Newble around him.
 
2013-10-17 01:09:04 PM
Kareem Abdul Jabbar doesn't even get a single mention?  For shame, Farkers, for SHAME!
 
2013-10-17 01:15:49 PM
Well, Ilgauskus was good and productive, but LeBron didn't arrive until after Big Z had suffered his 3,000th foot injury rendering his athleticism and mobility akin to watching an iceberg trying to parallel park on a side street in Hong Kong.
 
2013-10-17 01:16:10 PM

WillofJ2: ladodger34: Oh, and I forgot to add that I'll watch Lebron play because he is probably the closest thing to Magic* that we'll see in our lifetime. And I Magic is on my personal Mt. Rushmore of favorite athletes (Magic, Valenzuela, and Elway).

* Lebron might end up being better than Magic. And for someone that loves him some Magic, that is a bold statement.

I dont think he honestly tries hard enough to have as complete of a game, generally on the rebounds he often settles, no reason he shouldnt have more triple doubles I think he is probably in the low thirties magic probably had 150


Come on.
 
2013-10-17 01:17:30 PM

llortcM_yllort: Dan Gilbert was unwilling to give LeBron a supporting cast so he left.


In fairness to Gilbert, I don't think he was unwilling. Just unable. Cleveland isn't exactly an exciting destination for players.
 
2013-10-17 01:19:19 PM
He's a choker, LBJ never one a single game in college.
 
2013-10-17 01:20:58 PM

Pick13: He's a choker, LBJ never one a single game in college.


But he made that awesome shot in Dallas in 1963.

/wait, that's a different LBJ
 
2013-10-17 01:25:30 PM
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2013-10-17 01:31:18 PM

Tarl3k: Let me know when he wins 6 like MJ...


Let me know when MJ wins 11 like Russell...
 
2013-10-17 01:41:08 PM

Tarl3k: Let me know when he wins 6 like MJ...


Let me know when you develop a functioning mental process.
 
2013-10-17 01:42:45 PM
I just wish I was his mom's crack dealer. That dude is rollin in money.
 
2013-10-17 01:53:17 PM

justtray: Does Lebron James really need white knights?


No...but when people still hate on him even though he's been justified in his decision...
 
2013-10-17 01:53:21 PM

Gunny Highway: WillofJ2: ladodger34: Oh, and I forgot to add that I'll watch Lebron play because he is probably the closest thing to Magic* that we'll see in our lifetime. And I Magic is on my personal Mt. Rushmore of favorite athletes (Magic, Valenzuela, and Elway).

* Lebron might end up being better than Magic. And for someone that loves him some Magic, that is a bold statement.

I dont think he honestly tries hard enough to have as complete of a game, generally on the rebounds he often settles, no reason he shouldnt have more triple doubles I think he is probably in the low thirties magic probably had 150

Come on.


When you consider the fact that teams are averaging about 5 fewer shots per game now than they were during Magic's career, that reduces the number of opportunities LeBron has for both rebounds and assists.  Throw in the fact that LeBron's averaging slightly more rebounds per game than Magic did in his career, and the fact that he's not a PG, AND the fact that he didn't start his career getting to pass to Kareem Abdul-Jabbar every time down the floor, and that might explain the triple-double discrepancy.
 
2013-10-17 01:59:22 PM
If you can watch the 2007 Eastern Conference Finals Game 5 and say, with a straight face, that LeBron James isn't clutch....then you are a goddamn liar.
 
2013-10-17 02:01:36 PM
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2013-10-17 02:02:38 PM

Gunny Highway: WillofJ2: ladodger34: Oh, and I forgot to add that I'll watch Lebron play because he is probably the closest thing to Magic* that we'll see in our lifetime. And I Magic is on my personal Mt. Rushmore of favorite athletes (Magic, Valenzuela, and Elway).

* Lebron might end up being better than Magic. And for someone that loves him some Magic, that is a bold statement.

I dont think he honestly tries hard enough to have as complete of a game, generally on the rebounds he often settles, no reason he shouldnt have more triple doubles I think he is probably in the low thirties magic probably had 150

Come on.


when you watch his games how many times if he is not directly touching the ball does he just float at the three point line?  it may be how there offense is set up, but many times he just doesnt seem to go for boards unless he happened to be there or it was his own shot.  With his size strength and athleticism if he wanted to dominate the glass it would seem hard to see how he couldnt

Lebron 28*8*7 Magic 20*7*11
 
2013-10-17 02:06:12 PM

WillofJ2: Gunny Highway: WillofJ2: ladodger34: Oh, and I forgot to add that I'll watch Lebron play because he is probably the closest thing to Magic* that we'll see in our lifetime. And I Magic is on my personal Mt. Rushmore of favorite athletes (Magic, Valenzuela, and Elway).

* Lebron might end up being better than Magic. And for someone that loves him some Magic, that is a bold statement.

I dont think he honestly tries hard enough to have as complete of a game, generally on the rebounds he often settles, no reason he shouldnt have more triple doubles I think he is probably in the low thirties magic probably had 150

Come on.

when you watch his games how many times if he is not directly touching the ball does he just float at the three point line?  it may be how there offense is set up, but many times he just doesnt seem to go for boards unless he happened to be there or it was his own shot.  With his size strength and athleticism if he wanted to dominate the glass it would seem hard to see how he couldnt

Lebron 28*8*7 Magic 20*7*11


I watch a ton of his games and the only thing I ever notice is him farking the other team up on the offensive and defensive end.
 
2013-10-17 02:12:51 PM

WillofJ2: when you watch his games how many times if he is not directly touching the ball does he just float at the three point line? it may be how there offense is set up, but many times he just doesnt seem to go for boards unless he happened to be there or it was his own shot. With his size strength and athleticism if he wanted to dominate the glass it would seem hard to see how he couldnt

Lebron 28*8*7 Magic 20*7*11


They play different roles.  How many seasons did Magic lead his team in scoring?  LeBron's also a much better defender.  I wouldn't give Magic much of a chance of staying in front of someone like Derrick Rose. Offensive rebounding vs. getting back on defense is also a team philosophy thing more than an individual decision most of the time.

LeBron probably does slack on rebounding a little during the regular season though because his playoff rebounding average is higher against what are on average better teams.
 
2013-10-17 02:15:45 PM

WillofJ2: With his size strength and athleticism if he wanted to dominate the glass it would seem hard to see how he couldnt


He's outside for spacing and he's usually expected to be back and helping to prevent transition scoring. Smart players don't go after the ball 100% of the time at 100% speed. I know this goes against stupid coach-speak and crap like that, but you're also not supposed to.

Plus if you don't go for it all the time, it makes it easier when you're in a situation where you're more likely to get a rebound.
 
2013-10-17 02:18:37 PM

IAmRight: WillofJ2: With his size strength and athleticism if he wanted to dominate the glass it would seem hard to see how he couldnt

He's outside for spacing and he's usually expected to be back and helping to prevent transition scoring. Smart players don't go after the ball 100% of the time at 100% speed. I know this goes against stupid coach-speak and crap like that, but you're also not supposed to.

Plus if you don't go for it all the time, it makes it easier when you're in a situation where you're more likely to get a rebound.


The game has changed so much too.
 
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