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2013-10-17 09:46:02 AM  
Uh subby, I'm pretty sure what TFA is describing is hundreds of times worse than shiatty fast-food jobs.
 
2013-10-17 09:51:06 AM  
Also known as being a taxpayer.
 
kab
2013-10-17 09:59:51 AM  
Nearly 30 million people around the world are living in conditions of modern slavery, half of them in India,

Yeah, it's called "This is where your IT jobs went."
 
2013-10-17 10:07:35 AM  
Anyone else think this report is going to get debunked? Seems like really precise numbers and a pretty wide definition of slavery.

Not that it doesn't exist, but these reports seem like the "100,000 sex slave hookers in town for the superbowl" articles
 
2013-10-17 10:11:30 AM  
India, China, Pakistan round out the top 3.

Out of an estimated 29.8 million people living in modern slavery worldwide, India has the highest number of people enslaved in absolute terms - approximately 14 million - almost half of the total number worldwide.
India's neighbor China follows, with an estimated 2.9 million enslaved, and another neighbor Pakistan comes in third with an estimate of over two million.



No wonder so many tech, manufacturing and textile industries love these countries.
 
2013-10-17 10:27:31 AM  

machoprogrammer: Anyone else think this report is going to get debunked? Seems like really precise numbers and a pretty wide definition of slavery.

Not that it doesn't exist, but these reports seem like the "100,000 sex slave hookers in town for the superbowl" articles


Even if the numbers aren't quite there, the conclusions are correct. India is quite terrible, particularly in the servile marriage dept.
 
2013-10-17 10:29:00 AM  
Massive sh*t hole, home of future pandemic.  Go India!
 
2013-10-17 10:33:01 AM  
Yea, these bastards in Washington won't let us forget who really runs the country.
 
2013-10-17 10:48:09 AM  

Lost Thought 00: machoprogrammer: Anyone else think this report is going to get debunked? Seems like really precise numbers and a pretty wide definition of slavery.

Not that it doesn't exist, but these reports seem like the "100,000 sex slave hookers in town for the superbowl" articles

Even if the numbers aren't quite there, the conclusions are correct. India is quite terrible, particularly in the servile marriage dept.


True that
 
2013-10-17 11:22:11 AM  
India, a capitalist paradise!
 
jgi
2013-10-17 11:25:54 AM  
 
2013-10-17 11:28:17 AM  
"but they AREN'T legal employees"

Sorry, I flared.
 
2013-10-17 11:39:35 AM  

jjorsett: Also known as being a taxpayer.


dumpfm.s3.amazonaws.com
 
2013-10-17 11:56:09 AM  
If they workers do not own the means of production and/or the govt does not provide them with all of the material support needed to survive these people are slaves to the system.
 
2013-10-17 12:02:39 PM  
It's very true of India. CSB:

We had a VP from one of the factories we deal with in India come over here and work for us. He spent a year here with his wife and young son. After a year, he went back to India as he did not really like Canada. Fine for us, he was a complete jackass and a creep to the ladies in the office.

We spent a lot of time on the road together and he told me tales of what his life was like back home. He said he had 4 'slaves' back home who did all the shiat work for him. He called them slaves, jokingly because they were paid. However, the pay his slaves/servants got was less than a $1 per day CDN. He could pay them next to nothing as they were part of a lower caste and he belongs to a higher class. The fraction of a dollar they earned was enough to keep them alive, I guess.

He said they did the laundry, cooking, cleaning, yard work and everything else a privileged young Raj could not be exposed to. He was a terrible driver here because back home he had one of his slaves drive him everywhere. India is an odd country to say the least. It's hard to believe they are the world's largest democracy.

Awesome food though, and Miss America is easy on the eyes.
 
2013-10-17 12:09:38 PM  

Saiga410: workers do not own the means of production


Cannot wait until they finally do own the means of production.
 
2013-10-17 12:14:21 PM  
Ugh. The very notion of a slave, or a class system into which you are "born", is appalling. How can you consider yourself a democracy with that in place??
 
2013-10-17 12:14:34 PM  
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2013-10-17 12:32:09 PM  

SovietCanuckistan: It's very true of India. CSB:

We had a VP from one of the factories we deal with in India come over here and work for us. He spent a year here with his wife and young son. After a year, he went back to India as he did not really like Canada. Fine for us, he was a complete jackass and a creep to the ladies in the office.

We spent a lot of time on the road together and he told me tales of what his life was like back home. He said he had 4 'slaves' back home who did all the shiat work for him. He called them slaves, jokingly because they were paid. However, the pay his slaves/servants got was less than a $1 per day CDN. He could pay them next to nothing as they were part of a lower caste and he belongs to a higher class. The fraction of a dollar they earned was enough to keep them alive, I guess.

He said they did the laundry, cooking, cleaning, yard work and everything else a privileged young Raj could not be exposed to. He was a terrible driver here because back home he had one of his slaves drive him everywhere. India is an odd country to say the least. It's hard to believe they are the world's largest democracy.

Awesome food though, and Miss America is easy on the eyes.


I have known several transplants that have taken jobs working in the Indian office because of just that. Even though the pay is a lot less, they can still hire domestics to do all the work.
 
2013-10-17 01:05:23 PM  
Also, because of the disgusting nature of capitalism in India, you should keep an eye on the Naxalite movement.
 
2013-10-17 01:27:03 PM  

FarkedOver: Also, because of the disgusting nature of capitalism in India, you should keep an eye on the Naxalite movement.


Thanks for pointing them out. I'm always amazed that China and India went to war, pretty much still are. I had no idea Chinese-supported Maoists had infiltrated into India.

Their numbers sound shocking but they are in a country of 1.2 billion people.
 
2013-10-17 01:37:26 PM  

TheShavingofOccam123: FarkedOver: Also, because of the disgusting nature of capitalism in India, you should keep an eye on the Naxalite movement.

Thanks for pointing them out. I'm always amazed that China and India went to war, pretty much still are. I had no idea Chinese-supported Maoists had infiltrated into India.

Their numbers sound shocking but they are in a country of 1.2 billion people.


It's a growing problem for the Indian government.  There are huge swaths in India that are sympathetic to revolutionary struggle.  In the coming years, it should be interesting to see if it tips over into a full scale civil war.

Furthermore,  it seems that a large number of groups with different Marxist tendencies have united in their fight against Indian capitalism, which is extremely rare on the left.
 
2013-10-17 01:43:51 PM  
I used to think I wanted a slave, but then I got an intern. Not only do they work for free, but you don't even have to feed them. I don't know exactly how that works,  how you can just shoo them from the building at night without any money, and somehow they come back, clean and fed, eager for more work the next day. It doesn't make any sense, but I'm not going to look a gift horse in the mouth. Those intern things are awesome.
 
2013-10-17 01:47:12 PM  

rumpelstiltskin: I used to think I wanted a slave, but then I got an intern. Not only do they work for free, but you don't even have to feed them. I don't know exactly how that works,  how you can just shoo them from the building at night without any money, and somehow they come back, clean and fed, eager for more work the next day. It doesn't make any sense, but I'm not going to look a gift horse in the mouth. Those intern things are awesome.


AND it's perfectly ok to sexually harass them! They can't sue you for it!
 
2013-10-17 01:57:40 PM  
I'm surprised Saudi Arabia wasn't higher on the list.

A friend of mine grew up there and always talks about his fond memories of his Filipino nanny, who practically raised him. Which sounds sweet, until you realize after a few of his stories that she's quite literally a slave. I've actually said this to him and he got offended and talked about how good she is, and how much he loved her and how "things are just different" over there.

Um, you're parents are holding her passport, paying her an unlivable salary, her entire family is in another country and she can't afford to visit them for 20+ years, and she basically has no rights in your household.... this sounds like slavery to me.
 
2013-10-17 03:21:58 PM  

Arkanaut: Uh subby, I'm pretty sure what TFA is describing is hundreds of times worse than shiatty fast-food jobs.


I backpacked around Northern India once in my 20s.   I ate at a Pizza Hut in Agra, because it was the first time I had seen "Western" food in about 5 months.   The people wearing that Pizza Hut uniform were smiling and proud.   They had a steady full time job that paid a dependable wage.   I'm sure their peers were envious.   Then came home to my friends and it seemed their biggest problem was the "gentrification" of their  neighborhood with more businesses moving into the area.    It's hard to reconcile the difference in realities when you're sympathetic to both.
 
2013-10-17 03:30:23 PM  

Lollipop165: I'm surprised Saudi Arabia wasn't higher on the list.

A friend of mine grew up there and always talks about his fond memories of his Filipino nanny, who practically raised him. Which sounds sweet, until you realize after a few of his stories that she's quite literally a slave. I've actually said this to him and he got offended and talked about how good she is, and how much he loved her and how "things are just different" over there.

Um, you're parents are holding her passport, paying her an unlivable salary, her entire family is in another country and she can't afford to visit them for 20+ years, and she basically has no rights in your household.... this sounds like slavery to me.


Having known several Saudis, they look down upon any job that requires you to work with your hands (beyond putting on a tie) and anyone that performs such job as a lower class.
 
2013-10-17 04:18:29 PM  

Nadie_AZ: India, China, Pakistan round out the top 3.

Out of an estimated 29.8 million people living in modern slavery worldwide, India has the highest number of people enslaved in absolute terms - approximately 14 million - almost half of the total number worldwide.
India's neighbor China follows, with an estimated 2.9 million enslaved, and another neighbor Pakistan comes in third with an estimate of over two million.


No wonder so many tech, manufacturing and textile industries love these countries.


Well, that is how modernization works.

Slavery. It gets shiat done.
 
2013-10-17 04:44:14 PM  
Debt slavery is the best slavery.
 
2013-10-17 04:45:55 PM  

rumpelstiltskin: I used to think I wanted a slave, but then I got an intern. Not only do they work for free, but you don't even have to feed them. I don't know exactly how that works,  how you can just shoo them from the building at night without any money, and somehow they come back, clean and fed, eager for more work the next day. It doesn't make any sense, but I'm not going to look a gift horse in the mouth. Those intern things are awesome.


Plus, you can sexually harass them without repercussions, since they're not employees!
 
2013-10-17 05:08:30 PM  

FarkedOver: Also, because of the disgusting nature of capitalism in India, you should keep an eye on the Naxalite movement.


You can thank the ancient Hindu religious caste system, not capitalism.   It's not all George Harrison discovering nirvana at the Maharishi's ashram while playing a sitar.   If anything, capitalism has helped democratize India to some degree.  There's lots of recent examples Dalits becoming successful self made business men.
 
2013-10-17 05:18:13 PM  

InmanRoshi: FarkedOver: Also, because of the disgusting nature of capitalism in India, you should keep an eye on the Naxalite movement.

You can thank the ancient Hindu religious caste system, not capitalism.   It's not all George Harrison discovering nirvana at the Maharishi's ashram while playing a sitar.   If anything, capitalism has helped democratize India to some degree.  There's lots of recent examples Dalits becoming successful self made business men.


Of course you can't lay all the blame at the feet of capitalism's feet.  But you can bet your ass capitalism takes advantage of the caste system.  It's not a very humanistic economic model and will take any advantage it can for the sake of profit.
 
2013-10-17 05:25:53 PM  
Including child marriage in the report is what gets India such high numbers.  I agree it's an abomination, but it's a bit much to lump it in with outright slavery.  One feature of slavery is the ability to buy and re-sell the person.  I don't think child-brides are commodities that can be re-sold.  Also, there's the issue of children and their status - good old fashioned slavery meant that one's children were born into slavery.  Not sure how that plays with child-brides again, or other "debt-servitude" that is being caught up in this report.
 
2013-10-17 06:52:12 PM  
They also excel in the number of square miles covered in feces.
 
2013-10-17 10:04:01 PM  

jjorsett: Also known as being a taxpayer.


Cheese?
 
2013-10-17 10:13:27 PM  

FarkedOver: InmanRoshi: FarkedOver: Also, because of the disgusting nature of capitalism in India, you should keep an eye on the Naxalite movement.

You can thank the ancient Hindu religious caste system, not capitalism.   It's not all George Harrison discovering nirvana at the Maharishi's ashram while playing a sitar.   If anything, capitalism has helped democratize India to some degree.  There's lots of recent examples Dalits becoming successful self made business men.

Of course you can't lay all the blame at the feet of capitalism's feet.  But you can bet your ass capitalism takes advantage of the caste system.  It's not a very humanistic economic model and will take any advantage it can for the sake of profit.


Can you point me towards one of these humanistic economic models you feel we should all try to move to?  Communists, fascists, Maoists, etc had some amazing mass slaughters that were justified as part of creating a new kind of Man and they sure weren't shy about brutalizing minorities or persons on the outside of the party apparatus.
 
2013-10-17 10:18:49 PM  

kab: Nearly 30 million people around the world are living in conditions of modern slavery, half of them in India,

Yeah, it's called "This is where your IT jobs went."


Getting a kick... well, no, not so much. The job I'm leaving this week has basically outsourced 2/3 of the IT operation and they're not done yet. So I bailed. Might've been easier if these guys would stick around for more than a cup of coffee... or chai or whatever the fark they drink. /retraining costs
 
2013-10-18 07:21:01 AM  
They better watch out... all those slaves could cause thousands upon thousands of stacks of rebel Indian armored war elephants to spawn all over the map.
 
2013-10-18 08:00:44 AM  

FullMetalPanda: They better watch out... all those slaves could cause thousands upon thousands of stacks of rebel Indian armored war elephants to spawn all over the map.


did you just make a Total War reference or Civilization reference?
 
2013-10-18 10:03:48 AM  

ricbach229: Can you point me towards one of these humanistic economic models you feel we should all try to move to? Communists, fascists, Maoists, etc had some amazing mass slaughters that were justified as part of creating a new kind of Man and they sure weren't shy about brutalizing minorities or persons on the outside of the party apparatus.


If you apply the same standards and rules regarding "mass killings", "brutalizing minorities" etc. as you hold communism to, you will find that the death toll under capitalism is leaps and bounds higher.  But hey, I know it's tough to turn the microscope on "your system" and yourself.
 
2013-10-18 10:14:19 AM  

FarkedOver: ricbach229: Can you point me towards one of these humanistic economic models you feel we should all try to move to? Communists, fascists, Maoists, etc had some amazing mass slaughters that were justified as part of creating a new kind of Man and they sure weren't shy about brutalizing minorities or persons on the outside of the party apparatus.

If you apply the same standards and rules regarding "mass killings", "brutalizing minorities" etc. as you hold communism to, you will find that the death toll under capitalism is leaps and bounds higher.  But hey, I know it's tough to turn the microscope on "your system" and yourself.


So, you are saying people are murderous jerks no matter what socioeconomic system they use? Good to know.
 
2013-10-18 10:20:34 AM  

gozar_the_destroyer: FarkedOver: ricbach229: Can you point me towards one of these humanistic economic models you feel we should all try to move to? Communists, fascists, Maoists, etc had some amazing mass slaughters that were justified as part of creating a new kind of Man and they sure weren't shy about brutalizing minorities or persons on the outside of the party apparatus.

If you apply the same standards and rules regarding "mass killings", "brutalizing minorities" etc. as you hold communism to, you will find that the death toll under capitalism is leaps and bounds higher.  But hey, I know it's tough to turn the microscope on "your system" and yourself.

So, you are saying people are murderous jerks no matter what socioeconomic system they use? Good to know.


Capitalism just a little bit more blood lust than any other system actually.
 
2013-10-18 10:38:44 AM  
If you want to watch an incredibly depressing movie, there's a documentary on Netflix called "Whores' Glory."  It gives you a glimpse into the day-to-day lives of prostitutes in Thailand, Mexico and Bangladesh.

My boss is from India, and the way he describes life for the poor there makes me imagine conditions similar to the slums in Bangladesh.
 
2013-10-18 11:25:58 AM  

cefm: Including child marriage in the report is what gets India such high numbers.  I agree it's an abomination, but it's a bit much to lump it in with outright slavery.  One feature of slavery is the ability to buy and re-sell the person.  I don't think child-brides are commodities that can be re-sold.  Also, there's the issue of children and their status - good old fashioned slavery meant that one's children were born into slavery.  Not sure how that plays with child-brides again, or other "debt-servitude" that is being caught up in this report.


Yes, they can be resold:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bride-buying.  There are entire companies who buy up women then transport and sell them as brides.

Also, a debt-slaves bond can be bought and sold, just like any other asset.  What, you think all the people who are illegally brought here as debt-slaves all work for their "importer" directly, do you?
 
2013-10-18 11:44:46 AM  
Indians stil have the caste system.  (look it up)

this is one of the main reasons indians are brought in here by the thousands to displace americans from the economy... the 'job makers' do not believe that all men are created equal and they love the H1Bs that accept that.
 
2013-10-18 02:41:09 PM  

InmanRoshi: Arkanaut: Uh subby, I'm pretty sure what TFA is describing is hundreds of times worse than shiatty fast-food jobs.

I backpacked around Northern India once in my 20s.   I ate at a Pizza Hut in Agra, because it was the first time I had seen "Western" food in about 5 months.   The people wearing that Pizza Hut uniform were smiling and proud.   They had a steady full time job that paid a dependable wage.   I'm sure their peers were envious.   Then came home to my friends and it seemed their biggest problem was the "gentrification" of their  neighborhood with more businesses moving into the area.     It's hard to reconcile the difference in realities when you're sympathetic to both.


Man, that's really well-said.
 
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