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(Politico)   Now comes the "who lost us the shutdown fight" game within the GOP. Upon hearing this, Orville Redenbacher stock spiked   (politico.com) divider line 43
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2013-10-17 09:08:59 AM  
7 votes:
Even if you're against the ACA, if you're intellectually honest, your criticism should be over their farking ridiculous strategy to attack it.

$24 billion+ failed strategy.  Well done, teabaggers.  Really well done.
2013-10-17 09:08:27 AM  
5 votes:
I think the first hurdle the GOP faces is admitting that they lost in the shutdown fight in the first place. I've seen plenty of republicans who are convinced that the shutdown was a win for their party.
2013-10-17 10:26:52 AM  
4 votes:
Boehner spent $24B of our money to save his $49k a year speakership salary premium

Boehner spent $24B of our money to save his $49k a year speakership salary premium

Boehner spent $24B of our money to save his $49k a year speakership salary premium
2013-10-17 11:05:42 AM  
3 votes:
A Texas politician led his people into a conflict with no clear strategy, poorly thought out goals, and no endgame planned.
2013-10-17 10:40:27 AM  
3 votes:

FormlessOne: including the teabaggers


Regardless of political ideology, there is a segment of humanity that believes  strong feeling is an acceptable substitute for logic, reason, hard work, planning, etc. If you feel something very strongly, and act according to those strong feelings, then you will be vindicated. The Tea Party, which draws heavily from a fundamentalist Christian base, has become a cluster of those sorts of people. They feel strongly about their ideology, and nothing- not reasoned argument, practical compromise, nor reality- will sway them.

When they inevitably are confronted by reality, the response is always the same: someone they thought was an ally did not have a  strong enough feeling. So you need to reject those who are weak of faith, and further, you must become all the more fervent in  your faith. Strength of belief is all that matters.
2013-10-17 10:27:50 AM  
3 votes:

Elegy: If by "most" you mean "about half."

But please, don't let my facts get in the way of you grinding away at that axe.


http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2013/10/32-republicans-w ho -caused-the-government-shutdown/280236/

Michigan
Minnesota
Tennessee
Alabama
Georgia
Texas
Texas
Florida
Tennessee
South Carolina
Louisiana

New Jersey
Georgia
Texas
Georgia
Missouri

Kansas
Ohio
Iowa
Idaho
Kentucky
California
North Carolina
Texas
Arizona
South Carolina
Louisiana
Arizona
Texas

Indiana
Texas
Florida


You can arguably exclude Idaho (not a state) and Kansas, which was barely a state in 1861 and was in many ways a proxy war state between the two sides. Arizona was under confederate control. That leaves 7 of the 30 remaining Tea Party crazies who weren't from secessionist states.

The derp is strong there.
2013-10-17 10:05:06 AM  
3 votes:
$24,000,000,000 for Boehner to learn what we already knew -- negotiation with the teahadists is like going fishing with a guy who uses dynamite, and to save time he lights all the fuses before you launch the boat
2013-10-17 09:40:00 AM  
3 votes:
I loved Boehner yesterday "We fought the good fight." No, no you f*cking didn't. You put 800,000 people out of work for weeks.

Let's be perfectly clear though. Of the 30 or so Tea Party asshats who started this mess, most of them are from the good ol' confederacy. Let's not forget that.

You know when the Union won 150 years ago, the Confederates went back home and said "We fought the good fight" and all they had to show for it was a bunch of dead people and a destroyed economy.
2013-10-17 11:27:33 AM  
2 votes:

Corn_Fed: My scary prediction:


1.  In January, "moderate" Republicans will block the Tea Party from trying this stunt again.


2.  In outrage, the Tea Party will eventually split from the Republican Party.  While that seems like a good thing, it's actually not...


3.  That will create three viable parties, with the Republican Party in the middle, to occupy the "centrist" label. Longterm, it will shift all mainstream political discourse further to the right, putting Democrats on equal "extremist" footing with the Tea Party. To be considered centrist, one would have to be Republican.


Except the Democrat party has already started taking the moderate area that the Republicans have ceded in their courting of the crazies on their side.
2013-10-17 10:37:48 AM  
2 votes:
Elegy:

If by "most" you mean "about half."

[i.imgur.com image 288x218]


I am lost in a sea of stupid. Southeast Tennessee.

I've become known for shooting down the stupid things my friends post on Facebook. It takes way too much of my time.
2013-10-17 10:30:59 AM  
2 votes:
The country lost 24 billion +
The GOP lost a lot of chips with the American public (the sane ones).
The tea party has been marginalized, their last "victory" was the elections of 2010.

Frankly President Obama won.  He stayed tough yet presidential and the GOP underestimated him again.  Just like they cannot understand all of Obama's gains in worldwide diplomacy without invading or bombing every country as his first move.  Obama wins against the shortsighted thinkers again.  He might even whip the tea party up in so much of a tizzy that they implode.
2013-10-17 10:27:00 AM  
2 votes:
He also talked about how he voted against it because it's not fiscally sustainable, "as Obama himself has admitted."

So let's look at the budget, Mr. Fiscal Reponsibility.  Subtract out social security, and national "security" spending in all its forms.  Now how much is left?

So you're going to tell your constituents that they have to give up social security?  Or are you going to reduce "security" spending so that it is less than the rest of the world combined?

If not, then shut up.
2013-10-17 09:14:33 AM  
2 votes:

Weaver95: I think the first hurdle the GOP faces is admitting that they lost in the shutdown fight in the first place. I've seen plenty of republicans who are convinced that the shutdown was a win for their party.


Depending on the district, it may have been a win for some of them in particular, but it's hard to find anything in this that was a win for the party itself.
2013-10-17 09:11:26 AM  
2 votes:

Weaver95: I think the first hurdle the GOP faces is admitting that they lost in the shutdown fight in the first place. I've seen plenty of republicans who are convinced that the shutdown was a win for their party.


There have also been some GOPers admitting they lost.

I'd be more impressed if they admit they lost and accept that this isn't the way to go
2013-10-17 03:51:32 PM  
1 votes:

mjjt: (from Borowitz)  Sen. Cruz's closest ally, Sen. Mike Lee (R-Utah) also spoke reverently of the shutdown, calling it "the most expensive Civil War reënactment in history."
"Unfortunately, once again, the wrong side won," he said


He actually said that shiat.  I thought you were kidding, but he actually farking said that.
2013-10-17 03:32:09 PM  
1 votes:
(from Borowitz)  Sen. Cruz's closest ally, Sen. Mike Lee (R-Utah) also spoke reverently of the shutdown, calling it "the most expensive Civil War reënactment in history."
"Unfortunately, once again, the wrong side won," he said
2013-10-17 03:20:59 PM  
1 votes:

mrshowrules: Isn't the head of GOP science committee a creationist?


Worse. Lamar Smith is a Christian Scientist. They're one of the groups that occasionally runs into problems with the law for praying instead of getting actual medical care for their children. They believe that spiritual reality is the only reality, and that the material world - including sickness, death and evil - are illusions, or mistakes of mortal mind.

They're about as anti-science as you can possibly be.
2013-10-17 02:25:58 PM  
1 votes:
I still don't understand why anybody listens to people who get paid to work for the government yapping about how the government is worthless and too big.

I wouldn't hire somebody for a job who told me the position was pointless and should be eliminated.

But then, I'm using reason and logic, something most Republican voters are completely unfamiliar with.
2013-10-17 12:42:08 PM  
1 votes:

Cletus C.: Mentat: Cletus C.: Obama saying he will not negotiate, then negotiates. Failure.

The only thing Obama gave up in this fight was the back of his hand.

And written on the back of that hand was language on checking income eligibility for ACA applicants, a few spending measures for certain districts, a promise for bipartisan budget negotiations and a few more things. Not much. But he did negotiate.


Obama was so against checking income eligibility for ACA applicants that similar measures were already part of the bill. He gave up nothing here. The change was just theater by the GOP to convince the rubes that Obama gave up something. Looks like it worked on some.

Obama and congressional Democrats has been calling for budget negotiations for months. How is Obama and the democrats getting exactly what they have been calling for a concession?
2013-10-17 12:27:24 PM  
1 votes:
COMALite J: I didn't know that Texas had already gone through with their plans to split into six States (I thought it was five?), and isn't it a bit confusing for them all to keep the same name? Not to mention East and West Tennessee, and North and South Georgia plus Greater Atlanta as a third Georgia State? And I guess the (318) Area Code of Louisiana is a separate State now in reality just as it has always pretty much been culturally? And is Maricopa County its own State now?

I may be mistaken (and I don't think anyone else has addressed this), but I believe he has listed each state once per Representative that was on the wrong (e.g. 'Tea Party') side of this.  Thus, for example, if Texas had six TP Reps trying to push the country off the cliff, Texas got listed six times.

If so, that was a confusing way to put that list together, but that's the best guess I can make about it.
2013-10-17 11:44:06 AM  
1 votes:
2013-10-17 11:26:12 AM  
1 votes:
All I know is, despite the tremendous effort of MSM to paint this as a "both sides" issue, and some serioulsy impressive leaps of logic to further that fantasy, the GOP still ended up losing this, the Democrats still stood firm, and public opinion went the direction that it rightfully should have.

Shame on the media though, for promoting the bothsidez thing through all of this. The fourth estate has completely abdicated its responsibility to the public in regards to accurate reporting and informing. It would do them well to realize that recognizing and reporting the real causes and actors/parties furthering these issues and breakdowns is not biased reporting, it's just reporting. Blaming the GOP doesn't mean you're a shill for the DNC. It means the GOP are acting like a bunch of dumbshiats, and they need light shined on them to prevent them from acting that way. The media as it currently stands are the only ones with that light, and they are just hell-bent on casting equal amounts on both parties.

/looking at you, CNN
2013-10-17 11:08:18 AM  
1 votes:

www.blastr.com


Begin, the 'tard wars have

2013-10-17 11:03:24 AM  
1 votes:

Ricardo Klement: Weaver95: I think the first hurdle the GOP faces is admitting that they lost in the shutdown fight in the first place. I've seen plenty of republicans who are convinced that the shutdown was a win for their party.

That's not the impression I got from reading last night's posts on John Boehner's FB page.


I think you're missing the nuance of the Republican position on this.  Don't worry, a lot of you libulardos do.  See, this tragic defeat was a huge win for the GOP in that it showed them standing up against tyranny, except for the traitorous scum that run the party.  This victorious tragedy will only serve to galvanize the true conservatives against the American hating Republicans and Democrats and rally real Americans to the cause of freedom under the banner of a Republican party strongly united in the sacred necessity of tearing it apart to get at the backstabbers.
2013-10-17 10:53:49 AM  
1 votes:

Emposter: His job was on the line, not just his speakership.


which still isn't the primary benefit

Hint: DeMint left Congress to work for an organization that wields more legislative power than Boehner.
2013-10-17 10:49:46 AM  
1 votes:
Republicans shut down the government. Democrats re-open it. Vote accordingly.
2013-10-17 10:40:52 AM  
1 votes:
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2013-10-17 10:37:36 AM  
1 votes:

bdub77: Elegy: If by "most" you mean "about half."

But please, don't let my facts get in the way of you grinding away at that axe.

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2013/10/32-republicans-w ho -caused-the-government-shutdown/280236/

Michigan
Minnesota
Tennessee
Alabama
Georgia
Texas
Texas
Florida
Tennessee
South Carolina
Louisiana
New Jersey
Georgia
Texas
Georgia
Missouri
Kansas
Ohio
Iowa
Idaho
Kentucky
California
North Carolina
Texas
Arizona
South Carolina
Louisiana
Arizona
Texas
Indiana
Texas
Florida

You can arguably exclude Idaho (not a state) and Kansas, which was barely a state in 1861 and was in many ways a proxy war state between the two sides. Arizona was under confederate control. That leaves 7 of the 30 remaining Tea Party crazies who weren't from secessionist states.

The derp is strong there.


Kentucky/Missouri were also pretty much split between Union/Confederacy. You want to exclude Kansas, you should exclude those two as well.
2013-10-17 10:34:21 AM  
1 votes:
libs plz its not going to be rememberd as "the GOP civil war"

it is "the war of RINO aggression"

go slavery!~
2013-10-17 10:33:23 AM  
1 votes:

Weaver95: I think the first hurdle the GOP faces is admitting that they lost in the shutdown fight in the first place. I've seen plenty of republicans who are convinced that the shutdown was a win for their party.


I called that 2 weeks ago. Just declare victory and move on. The TeaTards will eat it up.
2013-10-17 10:31:09 AM  
1 votes:
we all lost.
2013-10-17 10:30:59 AM  
1 votes:

somedude210: Weaver95: I think the first hurdle the GOP faces is admitting that they lost in the shutdown fight in the first place. I've seen plenty of republicans who are convinced that the shutdown was a win for their party.

There have also been some GOPers admitting they lost.

I'd be more impressed if they admit they lost and accept that this isn't the way to go


Yeah, call me when they actually admit that they're wrong about anything, ever. True believers are scary because when their shiat fails, they automagically assume that it is only because they didn't derp loud enough, they didn't herp bad enough.
2013-10-17 10:30:23 AM  
1 votes:
At this point the Republicans should be more concerned that their political party is nothing more than a reality show, complete with hick drama and grandstanding.  Then again, I'm assuming that they are a political party and not some sort of way to rip off the stupid.
2013-10-17 10:29:38 AM  
1 votes:

somedude210: Weaver95: I guess we wait and see. I wonder if they'll conclude they weren't conservative enough and should move more to the right?

how do you go further right than "actively trying to disassemble the government"?


Hugo Boss uniforms
2013-10-17 10:29:33 AM  
1 votes:
What's utterly laughable is that anyone thinks the area to the Right of the GOP is still within 'Conservative' territory.
2013-10-17 10:28:25 AM  
1 votes:
I'm going to go with America lost. We will recover, but there will be some long-term repercussions.
The massive trashing of the GOP and tea party brands will be a plus. I wonder what they'll rename themselves.
2013-10-17 10:24:48 AM  
1 votes:
I just had to run a quick errand and so had NPR on for a few minutes.  Some politician, don't know who, was bloviating about, "it's clear that President Obama will not negotiate with us on Obamacare."

So they still don't understand the difference between "negotiation" and "extortion," and Obama's name gets mentioned.

If that gives you any hints.
2013-10-17 10:21:21 AM  
1 votes:

somedude210: Weaver95: I guess we wait and see. I wonder if they'll conclude they weren't conservative enough and should move more to the right?

how do you go further right than "actively trying to disassemble the government"?


I thought they already were actively trying to disassemble the government.
2013-10-17 10:03:24 AM  
1 votes:

bdub77: Let's be perfectly clear though. Of the 30 or so Tea Party asshats who started this mess, most of them are from the good ol' confederacy. Let's not forget that.


You know when the Union won 150 years ago, the Confederates went back home and said "We fought the good fight" and all they had to show for it was a bunch of dead people and a destroyed economy.

If by "most" you mean "about half."

i.imgur.com

But please, don't let my facts get in the way of you grinding away at that axe.
2013-10-17 09:45:33 AM  
1 votes:

Weaver95: I guess we wait and see. I wonder if they'll conclude they weren't conservative enough and should move more to the right?


That's a foregone conclusion.
2013-10-17 09:38:52 AM  
1 votes:

somedude210: Weaver95: I guess we wait and see. I wonder if they'll conclude they weren't conservative enough and should move more to the right?

how do you go further right than "actively trying to disassemble the government"?


I have no idea...but if anyone can figure that out, it would be Ted Cruz.
2013-10-17 09:28:04 AM  
1 votes:

Weaver95: somedude210: Weaver95: I think the first hurdle the GOP faces is admitting that they lost in the shutdown fight in the first place. I've seen plenty of republicans who are convinced that the shutdown was a win for their party.

There have also been some GOPers admitting they lost.

I'd be more impressed if they admit they lost and accept that this isn't the way to go

I guess we wait and see. I wonder if they'll conclude they weren't conservative enough and should move more to the right?


"Don't retreat, reload!"
2013-10-17 09:23:16 AM  
1 votes:

Weaver95: I guess we wait and see. I wonder if they'll conclude they weren't conservative enough and should move more to the right?


how do you go further right than "actively trying to disassemble the government"?
 
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