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2013-10-17 09:08:27 AM  
I think the first hurdle the GOP faces is admitting that they lost in the shutdown fight in the first place. I've seen plenty of republicans who are convinced that the shutdown was a win for their party.
 
2013-10-17 09:08:59 AM  
Even if you're against the ACA, if you're intellectually honest, your criticism should be over their farking ridiculous strategy to attack it.

$24 billion+ failed strategy.  Well done, teabaggers.  Really well done.
 
2013-10-17 09:11:26 AM  

Weaver95: I think the first hurdle the GOP faces is admitting that they lost in the shutdown fight in the first place. I've seen plenty of republicans who are convinced that the shutdown was a win for their party.


There have also been some GOPers admitting they lost.

I'd be more impressed if they admit they lost and accept that this isn't the way to go
 
2013-10-17 09:14:33 AM  

Weaver95: I think the first hurdle the GOP faces is admitting that they lost in the shutdown fight in the first place. I've seen plenty of republicans who are convinced that the shutdown was a win for their party.


Depending on the district, it may have been a win for some of them in particular, but it's hard to find anything in this that was a win for the party itself.
 
2013-10-17 09:19:48 AM  

somedude210: Weaver95: I think the first hurdle the GOP faces is admitting that they lost in the shutdown fight in the first place. I've seen plenty of republicans who are convinced that the shutdown was a win for their party.

There have also been some GOPers admitting they lost.

I'd be more impressed if they admit they lost and accept that this isn't the way to go


I guess we wait and see. I wonder if they'll conclude they weren't conservative enough and should move more to the right?
 
2013-10-17 09:23:16 AM  

Weaver95: I guess we wait and see. I wonder if they'll conclude they weren't conservative enough and should move more to the right?


how do you go further right than "actively trying to disassemble the government"?
 
2013-10-17 09:28:04 AM  

Weaver95: somedude210: Weaver95: I think the first hurdle the GOP faces is admitting that they lost in the shutdown fight in the first place. I've seen plenty of republicans who are convinced that the shutdown was a win for their party.

There have also been some GOPers admitting they lost.

I'd be more impressed if they admit they lost and accept that this isn't the way to go

I guess we wait and see. I wonder if they'll conclude they weren't conservative enough and should move more to the right?


"Don't retreat, reload!"
 
2013-10-17 09:38:52 AM  

somedude210: Weaver95: I guess we wait and see. I wonder if they'll conclude they weren't conservative enough and should move more to the right?

how do you go further right than "actively trying to disassemble the government"?


I have no idea...but if anyone can figure that out, it would be Ted Cruz.
 
2013-10-17 09:40:00 AM  
I loved Boehner yesterday "We fought the good fight." No, no you f*cking didn't. You put 800,000 people out of work for weeks.

Let's be perfectly clear though. Of the 30 or so Tea Party asshats who started this mess, most of them are from the good ol' confederacy. Let's not forget that.

You know when the Union won 150 years ago, the Confederates went back home and said "We fought the good fight" and all they had to show for it was a bunch of dead people and a destroyed economy.
 
2013-10-17 09:45:33 AM  

Weaver95: I guess we wait and see. I wonder if they'll conclude they weren't conservative enough and should move more to the right?


That's a foregone conclusion.
 
2013-10-17 09:57:13 AM  
I saw a former Republican rep on MSNBC last night claiming that this was a win for Boehner because he had to let the teapartiers shut down the government to secure his position.  24 billion is what his security cost us.
 
2013-10-17 10:03:24 AM  

bdub77: Let's be perfectly clear though. Of the 30 or so Tea Party asshats who started this mess, most of them are from the good ol' confederacy. Let's not forget that.


You know when the Union won 150 years ago, the Confederates went back home and said "We fought the good fight" and all they had to show for it was a bunch of dead people and a destroyed economy.

If by "most" you mean "about half."

i.imgur.com

But please, don't let my facts get in the way of you grinding away at that axe.
 
2013-10-17 10:05:06 AM  
$24,000,000,000 for Boehner to learn what we already knew -- negotiation with the teahadists is like going fishing with a guy who uses dynamite, and to save time he lights all the fuses before you launch the boat
 
2013-10-17 10:17:35 AM  

somedude210: Weaver95: I think the first hurdle the GOP faces is admitting that they lost in the shutdown fight in the first place. I've seen plenty of republicans who are convinced that the shutdown was a win for their party.

There have also been some GOPers admitting they lost.

I'd be more impressed if they admit they lost and accept that this isn't the way to go


So...when are they going to impeach Obama for all this?
 
2013-10-17 10:19:54 AM  
Orrin Hatch went off on the Heritage Foundation this morning.  Of course, he also said that ObamaCare was a failed law that he conveniently forgot was modeled off of Republican policy.
 
2013-10-17 10:20:33 AM  
All five Arizona Republican House members voted No.

I'm sure they'll all be re-elected.
 
2013-10-17 10:21:21 AM  

somedude210: Weaver95: I guess we wait and see. I wonder if they'll conclude they weren't conservative enough and should move more to the right?

how do you go further right than "actively trying to disassemble the government"?


I thought they already were actively trying to disassemble the government.
 
2013-10-17 10:22:20 AM  
I haven't been this happy since the "unskewed" crowd were revealed for the morans they are.

Fight, GOP.  Fight!  Amuse me.
 
2013-10-17 10:22:55 AM  
Bye Bye Boehner
 
2013-10-17 10:24:37 AM  

TheShavingofOccam123: All five Arizona Republican House members voted No.

I'm sure they'll all be re-elected.


I really need to relocate to Tucson.
 
2013-10-17 10:24:48 AM  
I just had to run a quick errand and so had NPR on for a few minutes.  Some politician, don't know who, was bloviating about, "it's clear that President Obama will not negotiate with us on Obamacare."

So they still don't understand the difference between "negotiation" and "extortion," and Obama's name gets mentioned.

If that gives you any hints.
 
2013-10-17 10:26:52 AM  
Boehner spent $24B of our money to save his $49k a year speakership salary premium

Boehner spent $24B of our money to save his $49k a year speakership salary premium

Boehner spent $24B of our money to save his $49k a year speakership salary premium
 
2013-10-17 10:27:00 AM  
He also talked about how he voted against it because it's not fiscally sustainable, "as Obama himself has admitted."

So let's look at the budget, Mr. Fiscal Reponsibility.  Subtract out social security, and national "security" spending in all its forms.  Now how much is left?

So you're going to tell your constituents that they have to give up social security?  Or are you going to reduce "security" spending so that it is less than the rest of the world combined?

If not, then shut up.
 
2013-10-17 10:27:19 AM  
img.fark.net
 
2013-10-17 10:27:26 AM  

bdub77: I loved Boehner yesterday "We fought the good fight." No, no you f*cking didn't. You put 800,000 people out of work for weeks.

Let's be perfectly clear though. Of the 30 or so Tea Party asshats who started this mess, most of them are from the good ol' confederacy. Let's not forget that.

You know when the Union won 150 years ago, the Confederates went back home and said "We fought the good fight" and all they had to show for it was a bunch of dead people and a destroyed economy.


i151.photobucket.com
 
2013-10-17 10:27:50 AM  

Elegy: If by "most" you mean "about half."

But please, don't let my facts get in the way of you grinding away at that axe.


http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2013/10/32-republicans-w ho -caused-the-government-shutdown/280236/

Michigan
Minnesota
Tennessee
Alabama
Georgia
Texas
Texas
Florida
Tennessee
South Carolina
Louisiana

New Jersey
Georgia
Texas
Georgia
Missouri

Kansas
Ohio
Iowa
Idaho
Kentucky
California
North Carolina
Texas
Arizona
South Carolina
Louisiana
Arizona
Texas

Indiana
Texas
Florida


You can arguably exclude Idaho (not a state) and Kansas, which was barely a state in 1861 and was in many ways a proxy war state between the two sides. Arizona was under confederate control. That leaves 7 of the 30 remaining Tea Party crazies who weren't from secessionist states.

The derp is strong there.
 
2013-10-17 10:28:25 AM  
I'm going to go with America lost. We will recover, but there will be some long-term repercussions.
The massive trashing of the GOP and tea party brands will be a plus. I wonder what they'll rename themselves.
 
2013-10-17 10:29:15 AM  

Weaver95: I think the first hurdle the GOP faces is admitting that they lost in the shutdown fight in the first place. I've seen plenty of republicans who are convinced that the shutdown was a win for their party.


Honestly, I think you're wrong. I think the Tea Party believes that they lost. More than that, I think the Tea Party believes that they lost for the sole reason that they didn't stand their ground. Maybe if Obama had been walking around in a hoodie and carrying a bag of Skittles, things would have turned out differently.
 
2013-10-17 10:29:33 AM  
What's utterly laughable is that anyone thinks the area to the Right of the GOP is still within 'Conservative' territory.
 
2013-10-17 10:29:38 AM  

somedude210: Weaver95: I guess we wait and see. I wonder if they'll conclude they weren't conservative enough and should move more to the right?

how do you go further right than "actively trying to disassemble the government"?


Hugo Boss uniforms
 
2013-10-17 10:30:03 AM  
Let me guess? Everyone except themselves?
 
2013-10-17 10:30:23 AM  
At this point the Republicans should be more concerned that their political party is nothing more than a reality show, complete with hick drama and grandstanding.  Then again, I'm assuming that they are a political party and not some sort of way to rip off the stupid.
 
2013-10-17 10:30:59 AM  
The country lost 24 billion +
The GOP lost a lot of chips with the American public (the sane ones).
The tea party has been marginalized, their last "victory" was the elections of 2010.

Frankly President Obama won.  He stayed tough yet presidential and the GOP underestimated him again.  Just like they cannot understand all of Obama's gains in worldwide diplomacy without invading or bombing every country as his first move.  Obama wins against the shortsighted thinkers again.  He might even whip the tea party up in so much of a tizzy that they implode.
 
2013-10-17 10:30:59 AM  

somedude210: Weaver95: I think the first hurdle the GOP faces is admitting that they lost in the shutdown fight in the first place. I've seen plenty of republicans who are convinced that the shutdown was a win for their party.

There have also been some GOPers admitting they lost.

I'd be more impressed if they admit they lost and accept that this isn't the way to go


Yeah, call me when they actually admit that they're wrong about anything, ever. True believers are scary because when their shiat fails, they automagically assume that it is only because they didn't derp loud enough, they didn't herp bad enough.
 
2013-10-17 10:31:09 AM  
we all lost.
 
2013-10-17 10:33:23 AM  

Weaver95: I think the first hurdle the GOP faces is admitting that they lost in the shutdown fight in the first place. I've seen plenty of republicans who are convinced that the shutdown was a win for their party.


I called that 2 weeks ago. Just declare victory and move on. The TeaTards will eat it up.
 
2013-10-17 10:33:39 AM  

Diogenes: Even if you're against the ACA, if you're intellectually honest, your criticism should be over their farking ridiculous strategy to attack it.

$24 billion+ failed strategy.  Well done, teabaggers.  Really well done.


The GOP/Teabaggers are a football team that just decided to punt on first & goal.  And now they're high-fiving each other for their brilliant tactic.
 
2013-10-17 10:34:21 AM  
libs plz its not going to be rememberd as "the GOP civil war"

it is "the war of RINO aggression"

go slavery!~
 
2013-10-17 10:35:01 AM  

Weaver95: I think the first hurdle the GOP faces is admitting that they lost in the shutdown fight in the first place. I've seen plenty of republicans who are convinced that the shutdown was a win for their party.


Yep. It's almost pointless to debate "who lost it for them", as if, somehow, they would've won if only this one person hadn't done this one thing. The GOP career politicians realize that this was a "black eye", but some of the newer folks, including the teabaggers, think that this was somehow a victory, that they managed to accomplish some form of goal. It's weird.

To be honest, they lost the second they demonstrated that they were willing, as an entire political party, to say "screw the country and its citizens - we're putting our bizarre ideology first." They were happy, during a fragile recovery from a recession that their party caused, during a sequester that was already a compromise designed to mollify their party, to put nearly a million people out of work and damage, perhaps irreparably, this country's financial standing in the global economy. Why?

Because they thought they had the power to do so. No other reason need apply. This is what happens when you give the GOP power - they immediately use it in the worst possible way. This isn't the fault of any one person or any single action, because they never really had a chance of success.
 
2013-10-17 10:35:59 AM  

Prime: I'm going to go with America lost. We will recover, but there will be some long-term repercussions.
The massive trashing of the GOP and tea party brands will be a plus. I wonder what they'll rename themselves.


Why, the Freedom Party, of course.
 
2013-10-17 10:37:28 AM  

HMS_Blinkin: Diogenes: Even if you're against the ACA, if you're intellectually honest, your criticism should be over their farking ridiculous strategy to attack it.

$24 billion+ failed strategy.  Well done, teabaggers.  Really well done.

The GOP/Teabaggers are a football team that just decided to punt on first & goal.  And now they're high-fiving each other for their brilliant tactic.


That is a terrible analogy. So by your logic, destroying the US and world economy is now considered the equivalent of "touchdown"?
 
2013-10-17 10:37:36 AM  

bdub77: Elegy: If by "most" you mean "about half."

But please, don't let my facts get in the way of you grinding away at that axe.

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2013/10/32-republicans-w ho -caused-the-government-shutdown/280236/

Michigan
Minnesota
Tennessee
Alabama
Georgia
Texas
Texas
Florida
Tennessee
South Carolina
Louisiana
New Jersey
Georgia
Texas
Georgia
Missouri
Kansas
Ohio
Iowa
Idaho
Kentucky
California
North Carolina
Texas
Arizona
South Carolina
Louisiana
Arizona
Texas
Indiana
Texas
Florida

You can arguably exclude Idaho (not a state) and Kansas, which was barely a state in 1861 and was in many ways a proxy war state between the two sides. Arizona was under confederate control. That leaves 7 of the 30 remaining Tea Party crazies who weren't from secessionist states.

The derp is strong there.


Kentucky/Missouri were also pretty much split between Union/Confederacy. You want to exclude Kansas, you should exclude those two as well.
 
2013-10-17 10:37:48 AM  
Elegy:

If by "most" you mean "about half."

[i.imgur.com image 288x218]


I am lost in a sea of stupid. Southeast Tennessee.

I've become known for shooting down the stupid things my friends post on Facebook. It takes way too much of my time.
 
2013-10-17 10:38:08 AM  

Weaver95: somedude210: Weaver95: I guess we wait and see. I wonder if they'll conclude they weren't conservative enough and should move more to the right?

how do you go further right than "actively trying to disassemble the government"?

I have no idea...but if anyone can will run with that with absolutely no attempt whatsoever to figure that out, it would be Ted Cruz.


FTFY
 
2013-10-17 10:38:33 AM  

FormlessOne: Prime: I'm going to go with America lost. We will recover, but there will be some long-term repercussions.
The massive trashing of the GOP and tea party brands will be a plus. I wonder what they'll rename themselves.

Why, the Freedom Party, of course.


aliencyborgs.com
 
2013-10-17 10:38:45 AM  

bdub77: Elegy: If by "most" you mean "about half."

But please, don't let my facts get in the way of you grinding away at that axe.

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2013/10/32-republicans-w ho -caused-the-government-shutdown/280236/

Michigan
Minnesota
Tennessee
Alabama
Georgia
Texas
Texas
Florida
Tennessee
South Carolina
Louisiana
New Jersey
Georgia
Texas
Georgia
Missouri
Kansas
Ohio
Iowa
Idaho
Kentucky
California
North Carolina
Texas
Arizona
South Carolina
Louisiana
Arizona
Texas
Indiana
Texas
Florida

You can arguably exclude Idaho (not a state) and Kansas, which was barely a state in 1861 and was in many ways a proxy war state between the two sides. Arizona was under confederate control. That leaves 7 of the 30 remaining Tea Party crazies who weren't from secessionist states.

The derp is strong there.


I didn't know that Texas had already gone through with their plans to split into six States (I thought it was five?), and isn't it a bit confusing for them all to keep the same name? Not to mention East and West Tennessee, and North and South Georgia plus Greater Atlanta as a third Georgia State? And I guess the (318) Area Code of Louisiana is a separate State now in reality just as it has always pretty much been culturally? And is Maricopa County its own State now?
 
2013-10-17 10:39:06 AM  
Conservatism cant fail you, only YOU can fail conservaism, and thats what we saw last night. We need to distance ourselves from the RINO SCUM who voted with the socialist democrats, Rush and Glenn already get it, they know the majority of the G.odless O.ld  P.retenders.  Now is the time, rally our troops and kick out the GOP in 2014! Patch up as many holes as we can in the USS USA by blocking anything the dictator in chief wants until 2016 when we can get our MAN into office, I feel bad for the mess he'll have to deal with, and Im sure the smell will never come out of the carpet in the oval office!

/What do you think? I'm trying to pander better to the GOP, I want to start a blog and sell merch on it to the rubes, this is my first real go at pandering to them. Do I have enough vitrol, or should I crank up the hate, or subtle racism?
 
2013-10-17 10:39:13 AM  

somedude210: Weaver95: I guess we wait and see. I wonder if they'll conclude they weren't conservative enough and should move more to the right?

how do you go further right than "actively trying to disassemble the government"?


I don't think any of us really want to know the answer to that.
 
2013-10-17 10:39:16 AM  

FormlessOne: Prime: I'm going to go with America lost. We will recover, but there will be some long-term repercussions.
The massive trashing of the GOP and tea party brands will be a plus. I wonder what they'll rename themselves.

Why, the Freedom Party, of course.


Libertearians
 
2013-10-17 10:39:45 AM  

bdub77: Elegy: If by "most" you mean "about half."

But please, don't let my facts get in the way of you grinding away at that axe.

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2013/10/32-republicans-w ho -caused-the-government-shutdown/280236/

Michigan
Minnesota
Tennessee
Alabama
Georgia
Texas
Texas
Florida
Tennessee
South Carolina
Louisiana
New Jersey
Georgia
Texas
Georgia
Missouri
Kansas
Ohio
Iowa
Idaho
Kentucky
California
North Carolina
Texas
Arizona
South Carolina
Louisiana
Arizona
Texas
Indiana
Texas
Florida

You can arguably exclude Idaho (not a state) and Kansas, which was barely a state in 1861 and was in many ways a proxy war state between the two sides. Arizona was under confederate control. That leaves 7 of the 30 remaining Tea Party crazies who weren't from secessionist states.

The derp is strong there.


Huh. Reality really DOES have a strong liberal bias.
 
2013-10-17 10:40:25 AM  

RedPhoenix122: Weaver95: somedude210: Weaver95: I think the first hurdle the GOP faces is admitting that they lost in the shutdown fight in the first place. I've seen plenty of republicans who are convinced that the shutdown was a win for their party.

There have also been some GOPers admitting they lost.

I'd be more impressed if they admit they lost and accept that this isn't the way to go

I guess we wait and see. I wonder if they'll conclude they weren't conservative enough and should move more to the right?

"Don't retreat, reload!"


More like, "the got-damn liberal media didn't tell the American people that it was the Tea Party that was standing up to the Demoncrats and RINOs!"

Yes. They actually said that. That the Tea Party was the only group capable of standing up to powerful, monied corporate interests. The group bankrolled by Adelson and the Kochs.

The only time the tea party stood up to big business was to ask what their agenda would be.
 
2013-10-17 10:40:27 AM  

FormlessOne: including the teabaggers


Regardless of political ideology, there is a segment of humanity that believes  strong feeling is an acceptable substitute for logic, reason, hard work, planning, etc. If you feel something very strongly, and act according to those strong feelings, then you will be vindicated. The Tea Party, which draws heavily from a fundamentalist Christian base, has become a cluster of those sorts of people. They feel strongly about their ideology, and nothing- not reasoned argument, practical compromise, nor reality- will sway them.

When they inevitably are confronted by reality, the response is always the same: someone they thought was an ally did not have a  strong enough feeling. So you need to reject those who are weak of faith, and further, you must become all the more fervent in  your faith. Strength of belief is all that matters.
 
2013-10-17 10:40:35 AM  

Aldon: The country lost 24 billion +
The GOP lost a lot of chips with the American public (the sane ones).
The tea party has been marginalized, their last "victory" was the elections of 2010.

Frankly President Obama won.  He stayed tough yet presidential and the GOP underestimated him again.  Just like they cannot understand all of Obama's gains in worldwide diplomacy without invading or bombing every country as his first move.  Obama wins against the shortsighted thinkers again.  He might even whip the tea party up in so much of a tizzy that they implode.


Obama might have won this, but as has been pointed out further up in the thread, America as a whole lost anyway. The fact that this fight took place was already a big loss for the country.
 
2013-10-17 10:40:35 AM  

somedude210: Weaver95: I guess we wait and see. I wonder if they'll conclude they weren't conservative enough and should move more to the right?

how do you go further right than "actively trying to disassemble the government"?


images.wikia.com
 
2013-10-17 10:40:52 AM  
1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-10-17 10:41:04 AM  

kidgenius: bdub77: Elegy: If by "most" you mean "about half."

But please, don't let my facts get in the way of you grinding away at that axe.

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2013/10/32-republicans-w ho -caused-the-government-shutdown/280236/

Michigan
Minnesota
Tennessee
Alabama
Georgia
Texas
Texas
Florida
Tennessee
South Carolina
Louisiana
New Jersey
Georgia
Texas
Georgia
Missouri
Kansas
Ohio
Iowa
Idaho
Kentucky
California
North Carolina
Texas
Arizona
South Carolina
Louisiana
Arizona
Texas
Indiana
Texas
Florida

You can arguably exclude Idaho (not a state) and Kansas, which was barely a state in 1861 and was in many ways a proxy war state between the two sides. Arizona was under confederate control. That leaves 7 of the 30 remaining Tea Party crazies who weren't from secessionist states.

The derp is strong there.

Kentucky/Missouri were also pretty much split between Union/Confederacy. You want to exclude Kansas, you should exclude those two as well.


And yet both states declared for the confederacy. No state was unanimous. 

Ok, maybe Mississippi.
 
2013-10-17 10:41:12 AM  

somedude210: Weaver95: I guess we wait and see. I wonder if they'll conclude they weren't conservative enough and should move more to the right?

how do you go further right than "actively trying to disassemble the government"?


Actively succeeding in disassembling the government instead of dangling it like a carrot for votes?

Wait, they've been doing that for years now, never mind.

/except subsidies for corporations
 
2013-10-17 10:41:30 AM  
tammybruce.com
 
2013-10-17 10:42:12 AM  

Smoking GNU: Aldon: The country lost 24 billion +
The GOP lost a lot of chips with the American public (the sane ones).
The tea party has been marginalized, their last "victory" was the elections of 2010.

Frankly President Obama won.  He stayed tough yet presidential and the GOP underestimated him again.  Just like they cannot understand all of Obama's gains in worldwide diplomacy without invading or bombing every country as his first move.  Obama wins against the shortsighted thinkers again.  He might even whip the tea party up in so much of a tizzy that they implode.

Obama might have won this, but as has been pointed out further up in the thread, America as a whole lost anyway. The fact that this fight took place was already a big loss for the country.


If by lost you mean set the Teatards up to try this winning strategy again in a few months so the public gets a reminder of just how irrational these chucklefarks are, then yes he lost.
 
2013-10-17 10:43:53 AM  

ShadowKamui: somedude210: Weaver95: I guess we wait and see. I wonder if they'll conclude they weren't conservative enough and should move more to the right?

how do you go further right than "actively trying to disassemble the government"?

Hugo Boss uniforms


At least the Nazis had style; they knew how to intimidate.  When someone wearing a bad colonial costume with teabags hanging off it bangs on your door in the middle of the night, "shiat your pants in terror" will probably not be your first reaction.
 
2013-10-17 10:44:51 AM  

ArkPanda: ShadowKamui: somedude210: Weaver95: I guess we wait and see. I wonder if they'll conclude they weren't conservative enough and should move more to the right?

how do you go further right than "actively trying to disassemble the government"?

Hugo Boss uniforms

At least the Nazis had style; they knew how to intimidate.  When someone wearing a bad colonial costume with teabags hanging off it bangs on your door in the middle of the night, "shiat your pants in terror" will probably not be your first reaction.


My first reaction is, "so let's see if these Stand Your Ground laws are as good as the conservatives say they are"
 
2013-10-17 10:44:59 AM  

Tenga: Elegy:

If by "most" you mean "about half."

[i.imgur.com image 288x218]

I am lost in a sea of stupid. Southeast Tennessee.

I've become known for shooting down the stupid things my friends post on Facebook. It takes way too much of my time.


My wife's family is all from TN. Miraculously, her immediate family are all fairly moderate. Her extended family starts to get a bit conservative, but we don't interact with them more than once on rare occasion, and usually we spend time catching up instead of discussing politics.
 
2013-10-17 10:45:51 AM  

Heliovdrake: Conservatism cant fail you, only YOU can fail conservaism, and thats what we saw last night. We need to distance ourselves from the RINO SCUM who voted with the socialist democrats, Rush and Glenn already get it, they know the majority of the G.odless O.ld  P.retenders.  Now is the time, rally our troops and kick out the GOP in 2014! Patch up as many holes as we can in the USS USA by blocking anything the dictator in chief wants until 2016 when we can get our MAN into office, I feel bad for the mess he'll have to deal with, and Im sure the smell will never come out of the carpet in the oval office!

/What do you think? I'm trying to pander better to the GOP, I want to start a blog and sell merch on it to the rubes, this is my first real go at pandering to them. Do I have enough vitrol, or should I crank up the hate, or subtle racism?


I think you should pepper it with obscure homo-erotic euphemisms. Oh, and rape references. That's pretty much all you're missing.
 
2013-10-17 10:46:22 AM  

CPennypacker: Boehner spent $24B of our money to save his $49k a year speakership salary premium

Boehner spent $24B of our money to save his $49k a year speakership salary premium

Boehner spent $24B of our money to save his $49k a year speakership salary premium


He caused the shutdown to save his job, but if you think a US politician's salary is their primary benefit,  you've been living under a rock for too long.
 
2013-10-17 10:46:46 AM  

bwilson27: [img.fark.net image 400x275]


Not cool.
 
2013-10-17 10:47:09 AM  

bdub77: HMS_Blinkin: Diogenes: Even if you're against the ACA, if you're intellectually honest, your criticism should be over their farking ridiculous strategy to attack it.

$24 billion+ failed strategy.  Well done, teabaggers.  Really well done.

The GOP/Teabaggers are a football team that just decided to punt on first & goal.  And now they're high-fiving each other for their brilliant tactic.

That is a terrible analogy. So by your logic, destroying the US and world economy is now considered the equivalent of "touchdown"?


I don't think that.  The teabaggers think that defunding Obamacare is a TD.  Get it?  They had this big goal of somehow defunding or repealing Obamacare, which was a stupid goal.  But their tactics were even more idiotic.  They failed to accomplish their goal, they got a worse deal than what they would have gotten if they'd just accepted the Senate's CR back in September, they increased the federal debt (that thing they claim to care SO MUCH about) unnecessarily by $24 billion, AND on top of all of that everyone hates them.

Granted, I'm not sure where destroying the economy falls in a football analogy.  Maybe they have the ball at 1st and goal, but they've threatened to dynamite the whole stadium and everyone in it, including themselves and their own fans, if they don't score their TD.  But instead of running plays, they let the play clock wind down and get called for delay of game penalties and they finally punt, and Obama returns it 100 yards for the TD.

Is that better?  Maybe there isn't a good sports analogy here, but it made sense to me at the time.
 
2013-10-17 10:47:12 AM  

Weaver95: somedude210: Weaver95: I think the first hurdle the GOP faces is admitting that they lost in the shutdown fight in the first place. I've seen plenty of republicans who are convinced that the shutdown was a win for their party.

There have also been some GOPers admitting they lost.

I'd be more impressed if they admit they lost and accept that this isn't the way to go

I guess we wait and see. I wonder if they'll conclude they weren't conservative enough and should move more to the right?


That was up running on the FR literally minutes after the announcement. I checked.
 
2013-10-17 10:48:03 AM  

Prime: I'm going to go with America lost. We will recover, but there will be some long-term repercussions.
The massive trashing of the GOP and tea party brands will be a plus. I wonder what they'll rename themselves.


OMB.  The "Ow My Balls" Party.
 
2013-10-17 10:48:27 AM  

Heliovdrake: Conservatism cant fail you, only YOU can fail conservaism, and thats what we saw last night. We need to distance ourselves from the RINO SCUM who voted with the socialist democrats, Rush and Glenn already get it, they know the majority of the G.odless O.ld  P.retenders.  Now is the time, rally our troops and kick out the GOP in 2014! Patch up as many holes as we can in the USS USA by blocking anything the dictator in chief wants until 2016 when we can get our MAN into office, I feel bad for the mess he'll have to deal with, and Im sure the smell will never come out of the carpet in the oval office!

/What do you think? I'm trying to pander better to the GOP, I want to start a blog and sell merch on it to the rubes, this is my first real go at pandering to them. Do I have enough vitrol, or should I crank up the hate, or subtle racism?


Needs more Palin/Walker 2016
 
2013-10-17 10:48:30 AM  
I'm the sure that the party of personal responsibility will be eager to own up to their mistakes, coolly analyze why they were made, and maturely leave warnings for their successors.

/ I think I've strained something, saying that with a straight face.
 
2013-10-17 10:48:43 AM  
Hey, that Orville Rednecker stock price was classified Pop Secret!
 
2013-10-17 10:48:56 AM  

Emposter: CPennypacker: Boehner spent $24B of our money to save his $49k a year speakership salary premium

Boehner spent $24B of our money to save his $49k a year speakership salary premium

Boehner spent $24B of our money to save his $49k a year speakership salary premium

He caused the shutdown to save his job, but if you think a US politician's salary is their primary benefit,  you've been living under a rock for too long.


He still gets to be a senator if h eloses the speakership
 
2013-10-17 10:49:14 AM  
Well, at least the ants will be saved...
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2013-10-17 10:49:24 AM  

Weaver95: somedude210: Weaver95: I guess we wait and see. I wonder if they'll conclude they weren't conservative enough and should move more to the right?

how do you go further right than "actively trying to disassemble the government"?

I have no idea...but if anyone can figure that out, it would be Ted Cruz.


They were one day away from possibly destroying the entire global economy, while claiming that doing so would be a good thing.  Is that farther right than disassembling the government?
 
2013-10-17 10:49:28 AM  

cubic_spleen: What's utterly laughable is that anyone thinks the area to the Right of the GOP is still within 'Conservative' territory.


According to the modern GOP:

Franco:  Too tolerant of dissent.
Hitler:  Soft on immigration.  Also, a socialist.
Stalin:  Soft on crime, esp. ones like "reading".  Also, a commie.
Bush:  Libbiest lib that ever soshalizmed.  Either 1 or 2, doesn't matter.
Reagan:  Only Real American President evar.  Never compromised, never raised taxes, never tolerated immigrants, never surrendered!
 
2013-10-17 10:49:46 AM  
Republicans shut down the government. Democrats re-open it. Vote accordingly.
 
2013-10-17 10:50:21 AM  

sprawl15: libs plz its not going to be rememberd as "the GOP civil war"

it is "the war of RINO aggression"

go slavery Southern culture!~


Ahem.
 
2013-10-17 10:51:22 AM  

AMonkey'sUncle: Hey, that Orville Rednecker stock price was classified Pop Secret!


That was terrible.  Good job.
 
2013-10-17 10:51:24 AM  

Ambivalence: Heliovdrake: Conservatism cant fail you, only YOU can fail conservaism, and thats what we saw last night. We need to distance ourselves from the RINO SCUM who voted with the socialist democrats, Rush and Glenn already get it, they know the majority of the G.odless O.ld  P.retenders.  Now is the time, rally our troops and kick out the GOP in 2014! Patch up as many holes as we can in the USS USA by blocking anything the dictator in chief wants until 2016 when we can get our MAN into office, I feel bad for the mess he'll have to deal with, and Im sure the smell will never come out of the carpet in the oval office!

/What do you think? I'm trying to pander better to the GOP, I want to start a blog and sell merch on it to the rubes, this is my first real go at pandering to them. Do I have enough vitrol, or should I crank up the hate, or subtle racism?

I think you should pepper it with obscure homo-erotic euphemisms. Oh, and rape references. That's pretty much all you're missing.


As a woman, I'd like to suggest some reference to abortion/baby killing.
 
2013-10-17 10:51:31 AM  

CPennypacker: Emposter: CPennypacker: Boehner spent $24B of our money to save his $49k a year speakership salary premium

Boehner spent $24B of our money to save his $49k a year speakership salary premium

Boehner spent $24B of our money to save his $49k a year speakership salary premium

He caused the shutdown to save his job, but if you think a US politician's salary is their primary benefit,  you've been living under a rock for too long.

He still gets to be a senator if h eloses the speakership


I meant what I said.  His job was on the line, not just his speakership.  Hell, considering how he ended up siding with Democrats to crush the TP part of the House, his job may STILL be on the line unless he ups his DERP at the next round of this bullshiat in jan/feb 14.
 
2013-10-17 10:52:23 AM  
Anyone check out the Ted Cruz quiz in the link?

4. Which controversial quote below was NOT said by Cruz?

A) "I think the sequester happens and it will be in some ways a yawn."
B) "I think it's really sad to see the president of the United States exploiting the murder of children and using it to push his own extreme anti-gun agenda."
C) "I'll work with Martians."
D) "I'm pretty certain Mitt Romney actually French-kissed Barack Obama."

The answer is A; Rand Paul said that line.
 
2013-10-17 10:53:17 AM  

Emposter: CPennypacker: Emposter: CPennypacker: Boehner spent $24B of our money to save his $49k a year speakership salary premium

Boehner spent $24B of our money to save his $49k a year speakership salary premium

Boehner spent $24B of our money to save his $49k a year speakership salary premium

He caused the shutdown to save his job, but if you think a US politician's salary is their primary benefit,  you've been living under a rock for too long.

He still gets to be a senator if h eloses the speakership

I meant what I said.  His job was on the line, not just his speakership.  Hell, considering how he ended up siding with Democrats to crush the TP part of the House, his job may STILL be on the line unless he ups his DERP at the next round of this bullshiat in jan/feb 14.


Which one, this job or the job awaiting him as a consultant at a top lobbying firm  when he finally does leave?
 
2013-10-17 10:53:49 AM  

Emposter: His job was on the line, not just his speakership.


which still isn't the primary benefit

Hint: DeMint left Congress to work for an organization that wields more legislative power than Boehner.
 
2013-10-17 10:54:59 AM  

Dog Welder: Well, at least the ants will be saved...
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I very much want to draw a cartoon of an ant on a cross next to that passage.
 
2013-10-17 10:55:23 AM  

pueblonative: Emposter: CPennypacker: Emposter: CPennypacker: Boehner spent $24B of our money to save his $49k a year speakership salary premium

Boehner spent $24B of our money to save his $49k a year speakership salary premium

Boehner spent $24B of our money to save his $49k a year speakership salary premium

He caused the shutdown to save his job, but if you think a US politician's salary is their primary benefit,  you've been living under a rock for too long.

He still gets to be a senator if h eloses the speakership

I meant what I said.  His job was on the line, not just his speakership.  Hell, considering how he ended up siding with Democrats to crush the TP part of the House, his job may STILL be on the line unless he ups his DERP at the next round of this bullshiat in jan/feb 14.

Which one, this job or the job awaiting him as a consultant at a top lobbying firm  when he finally does leave?


Who would want Boehner as a lobbyist? He's gotten absolutely nothing of consequence done during his tenure as speaker, unless you count presiding over and losing two debt-limit fights.
 
2013-10-17 10:55:25 AM  

urbangirl: Ambivalence: Heliovdrake: Conservatism cant fail you, only YOU can fail conservaism, and thats what we saw last night. We need to distance ourselves from the RINO SCUM who voted with the socialist democrats, Rush and Glenn already get it, they know the majority of the G.odless O.ld  P.retenders.  Now is the time, rally our troops and kick out the GOP in 2014! Patch up as many holes as we can in the USS USA by blocking anything the dictator in chief wants until 2016 when we can get our MAN into office, I feel bad for the mess he'll have to deal with, and Im sure the smell will never come out of the carpet in the oval office!

/What do you think? I'm trying to pander better to the GOP, I want to start a blog and sell merch on it to the rubes, this is my first real go at pandering to them. Do I have enough vitrol, or should I crank up the hate, or subtle racism?

I think you should pepper it with obscure homo-erotic euphemisms. Oh, and rape references. That's pretty much all you're missing.

As a woman, I'd like to suggest some reference to abortion/baby killing.


Needs moar "poor people are evil moochers".
 
2013-10-17 10:55:29 AM  
Continue to keep on trying to force Reality to conform to your bass-ackwards way of "thinking", rightards. It only reminds all the sane people why you're unfit to be in public, let alone holding office.
 
2013-10-17 10:55:59 AM  
Personally, I think the GOP might have won if they had been just a little more conservative on this issue.

Just throwing that out there.  Thoughts?
 
2013-10-17 10:56:16 AM  

Ambivalence: Heliovdrake: Conservatism cant fail you, only YOU can fail conservaism, and thats what we saw last night. We need to distance ourselves from the RINO SCUM who voted with the socialist democrats, Rush and Glenn already get it, they know the majority of the G.odless O.ld  P.retenders.  Now is the time, rally our troops and kick out the GOP in 2014! Patch up as many holes as we can in the USS USA by blocking anything the dictator in chief wants until 2016 when we can get our MAN into office, I feel bad for the mess he'll have to deal with, and Im sure the smell will never come out of the carpet in the oval office!

/What do you think? I'm trying to pander better to the GOP, I want to start a blog and sell merch on it to the rubes, this is my first real go at pandering to them. Do I have enough vitrol, or should I crank up the hate, or subtle racism?

I think you should pepper it with obscure homo-erotic euphemisms. Oh, and rape references. That's pretty much all you're missing.


Conservatism cant fail you, only YOU can fail conservaism. We as a nation dropped the soap in the PRISON showers that is the halls of congress, by electing the RINO's thats what we saw last night. They took our nation away from us, against our will. The will of the people Said no, but the traitor RINO's said YES. We need to distance ourselves from the RINO SCUM who voted with the socialist democrats, Rush and Glenn already get it, they know the majority of the G.odless O.ld  P.retenders have sold themselves into SLAVERY to OBAMA.   Now is the time, rally our troops and kick out the GOP in 2014! Patch up as many holes as we can in the USS USA by blocking anything the dictator in chief wants until 2016 when we can get our MAN into office, I feel bad for the mess he'll have to deal with, and Im sure the smell will never come out of the carpet in the oval office!

 

Better?
 
2013-10-17 10:56:46 AM  

t3knomanser: FormlessOne: including the teabaggers

Regardless of political ideology, there is a segment of humanity that believes  strong feeling is an acceptable substitute for logic, reason, hard work, planning, etc. If you feel something very strongly, and act according to those strong feelings, then you will be vindicated. The Tea Party, which draws heavily from a fundamentalist Christian base, has become a cluster of those sorts of people. They feel strongly about their ideology, and nothing- not reasoned argument, practical compromise, nor reality- will sway them.

When they inevitably are confronted by reality, the response is always the same: someone they thought was an ally did not have a  strong enough feeling. So you need to reject those who are weak of faith, and further, you must become all the more fervent in  your faith. Strength of belief is all that matters.


I do agree with you - I've seen it often enough. Faith has no place in government. The less empirical they get, the more bizarre the results, and I've yet to see an emotionally-driven policy produce rational results.  I don't care how much these assholes clapped, Tink was always going to die.
 
2013-10-17 10:56:51 AM  

pueblonative: Emposter: CPennypacker: Emposter: CPennypacker: Boehner spent $24B of our money to save his $49k a year speakership salary premium

Boehner spent $24B of our money to save his $49k a year speakership salary premium

Boehner spent $24B of our money to save his $49k a year speakership salary premium

He caused the shutdown to save his job, but if you think a US politician's salary is their primary benefit,  you've been living under a rock for too long.

He still gets to be a senator if h eloses the speakership

I meant what I said.  His job was on the line, not just his speakership.  Hell, considering how he ended up siding with Democrats to crush the TP part of the House, his job may STILL be on the line unless he ups his DERP at the next round of this bullshiat in jan/feb 14.

Which one, this job or the job awaiting him as a consultant at a top lobbying firm  when he finally does leave?


I generally assume they go hand in hand...that he sort of accumulates chips for sending pork to industry friends, then when he leaves, cashes them in for the rest of his life.  I figure it's an ongoing process, not an "i got to the Speakership, now I'm done" process.
 
2013-10-17 10:56:52 AM  

sprawl15: Emposter: His job was on the line, not just his speakership.

which still isn't the primary benefit

Hint: DeMint left Congress to work for an organization that wields more legislative power than Boehner.


And he failed, too.

And yet he's still apparently doubling down on that failure.  The Donner Party would be envious.
 
2013-10-17 10:57:09 AM  

Heliovdrake: Conservatism cant fail you, only YOU can fail conservaism, and thats what we saw last night. We need to distance ourselves from the RINO SCUM who voted with the socialist democrats, Rush and Glenn already get it, they know the majority of the G.odless O.ld  P.retenders.  Now is the time, rally our troops and kick out the GOP in 2014! Patch up as many holes as we can in the USS USA by blocking anything the dictator in chief wants until 2016 when we can get our MAN into office, I feel bad for the mess he'll have to deal with, and Im sure the smell will never come out of the carpet in the oval office!

/What do you think? I'm trying to pander better to the GOP, I want to start a blog and sell merch on it to the rubes, this is my first real go at pandering to them. Do I have enough vitrol, or should I crank up the hate, or subtle racism?


That's good enough to win damn near any election in Tex-ass.

You could crank up the hate and racism but, by simply being a Repugnican, you've already got those voters.
 
2013-10-17 10:57:42 AM  

Weaver95: I think the first hurdle the GOP faces is admitting that they lost in the shutdown fight in the first place. I've seen plenty of republicans who are convinced that the shutdown was a win for their party.


That's not the impression I got from reading last night's posts on John Boehner's FB page.
 
2013-10-17 10:58:07 AM  
FTFA:  Will the GOP finally understand that when you touch the stove, it burns?

No. No, they will not. If recent history is any guide, the GOP is totally insane, out of touch with even the most basic facts, and completely impervious to logic.
 
2013-10-17 10:58:14 AM  

Mentat: Orrin Hatch went off on the Heritage Foundation this morning.  Of course, he also said that ObamaCare was a failed law that he conveniently forgot was modeled off of Republican policy.


Holy FSM, is he still alive?
 
2013-10-17 10:59:08 AM  

Diogenes: And he failed, too.


well yeah but nobody ever accused the gop having of too much sense
 
2013-10-17 10:59:42 AM  

born_yesterday: cubic_spleen: What's utterly laughable is that anyone thinks the area to the Right of the GOP is still within 'Conservative' territory.

According to the modern GOP:

Franco:  Too tolerant of dissent.
Hitler:  Soft on immigration.  Also, a socialist.
Stalin:  Soft on crime, esp. ones like "reading".  Also, a commie.
Bush:  Libbiest lib that ever soshalizmed.  Either 1 or 2, doesn't matter.
Reagan:  Only Real American President evar.  Never compromised, never raised taxes, never tolerated immigrants, never surrendered!


You forgot to mention how much Mussolini liked socialist mass transport (i.e. trains).
 
2013-10-17 11:00:19 AM  

Heliovdrake: Conservatism cant fail you, only YOU can fail conservaism, and thats what we saw last night. We need to distance ourselves from the RINO SCUM who voted with the socialist democrats, Rush and Glenn already get it, they know the majority of the G.odless O.ld  P.retenders.  Now is the time, rally our troops and kick out the GOP in 2014! Patch up as many holes as we can in the USS USA by blocking anything the dictator in chief wants until 2016 when we can get our MAN into office, I feel bad for the mess he'll have to deal with, and Im sure the smell will never come out of the carpet in the oval office!

/What do you think? I'm trying to pander better to the GOP, I want to start a blog and sell merch on it to the rubes, this is my first real go at pandering to them. Do I have enough vitrol, or should I crank up the hate, or subtle racism?


For one thing, there is the issue of your spelling.  It's as if you used a spellchecker.  That's a dead giveaway.
 
2013-10-17 11:00:32 AM  
Judging by my local AM radio this morning on my way to work, those that didn't fall in line with Ted Cruz and Mike Lee are on their way out.  They believe they didn't go far enough.

One guy compared Richard Burr to Kay Hagen and said he couldn't tell a difference.

I am fascinated by how their minds function....
 
2013-10-17 11:00:35 AM  

Skleenar: Personally, I think the GOP might have won if they had been just a little more conservative on this issue.

Just throwing that out there.  Thoughts?


Agreed.  The GOP failed conservatism here, not the other way around.  I think the RINOs in the Senate and especially Boehner the secret lib let down the true American's like Ted Cruz.  The undercover socialist's fooled us once but we won't get fooled again!
 
2013-10-17 11:00:42 AM  

Skleenar: Personally, I think the GOP might have won if they had been just a little more conservative on this issue.

Just throwing that out there.  Thoughts?


It's pretty f*cking dumb, Tim.
 
2013-10-17 11:01:03 AM  

mgshamster: Dog Welder: Well, at least the ants will be saved...
[img153.imageshack.us image 800x600]

I very much want to draw a cartoon of an ant on a cross next to that passage.


It had better be a four armed cross.
 
2013-10-17 11:01:22 AM  
FoxNews.com has gone back to using "shutdown" instead of "slimdown" - now that it's over and the GOP got their asses handed to them, I guess it was a bad thing.
 
2013-10-17 11:01:59 AM  

DarwiOdrade: Who would want Boehner as a lobbyist  consultant? He's gotten absolutely nothing of consequence done during his tenure as speaker, unless you count presiding over and losing two debt-limit fights.


FTFY.  Remember, there are no lobbyist anymore.  Just consultants for grass roots advocacy organizations of like minded Americans looking for common sense from Washington.
 
2013-10-17 11:03:24 AM  

Ricardo Klement: Weaver95: I think the first hurdle the GOP faces is admitting that they lost in the shutdown fight in the first place. I've seen plenty of republicans who are convinced that the shutdown was a win for their party.

That's not the impression I got from reading last night's posts on John Boehner's FB page.


I think you're missing the nuance of the Republican position on this.  Don't worry, a lot of you libulardos do.  See, this tragic defeat was a huge win for the GOP in that it showed them standing up against tyranny, except for the traitorous scum that run the party.  This victorious tragedy will only serve to galvanize the true conservatives against the American hating Republicans and Democrats and rally real Americans to the cause of freedom under the banner of a Republican party strongly united in the sacred necessity of tearing it apart to get at the backstabbers.
 
2013-10-17 11:03:45 AM  

Cyclometh: FTFA:  Will the GOP finally understand that when you touch the stove, it burns?

No. No, they will not. If recent history is any guide, the GOP is totally insane, out of touch with even the most basic facts, and completely impervious to logic.


Given their history, I have no doubt they'll hit themselves in the head with the pan then threaten to toss a couple of aerosol cans in there if they don't get their way.
 
2013-10-17 11:03:58 AM  
Conservatism cant fail you, only YOU can fail conservaism.  We as a nation dropped the soap in the PRISON showers that is the halls of congress, by electing the RINO's thats what we saw last night. They took our nation away from us, against our will. The will of the people Said no, but the traitor RINO's said YES. We need to distance ourselves from the RINO SCUM who voted with the socialist democrats, Rush and Glenn already get it, they know the majority of the G.odless O.ld  P.retenders have  sold themselves into SLAVERY to OBAMA.   Now is the time, rally our troops and kick out the GOP in 2014! Patch up as many holes as we can in the USS USA by blocking anything the dictator in chief wants until 2016 when we can get our MAN into office, I feel bad for the mess he'll have to deal with, and Im sure the smell will never come out of the carpet in the oval office!

When the midterms come, we cant let the democrats ABORT our will like they have so many lives down the drain,  The American people deserve better then a teenage democrats prom night clean up!
 
2013-10-17 11:05:27 AM  

DarwiOdrade: FoxNews.com has gone back to using "shutdown" instead of "slimdown" - now that it's over and the GOP got their asses handed to them, I guess it was a bad thing.


They will just say that Obama intentionally started the shutdown for the sake of farking over the economy and made Republicans castrate themselves so he would start it up again.
 
2013-10-17 11:05:42 AM  
A Texas politician led his people into a conflict with no clear strategy, poorly thought out goals, and no endgame planned.
 
2013-10-17 11:06:25 AM  

Heliovdrake: Conservatism cant fail you, only YOU can fail conservaism.  We as a nation dropped the soap in the PRISON showers that is the halls of congress, by electing the RINO's thats what we saw last night. They took our nation away from us, against our will. The will of the people Said no, but the traitor RINO's said YES. We need to distance ourselves from the RINO SCUM who voted with the socialist democrats, Rush and Glenn already get it, they know the majority of the G.odless O.ld  P.retenders have  sold themselves into SLAVERY to OBAMA.   Now is the time, rally our troops and kick out the GOP in 2014! Patch up as many holes as we can in the USS USA by blocking anything the dictator in chief wants until 2016 when we can get our MAN into office, I feel bad for the mess he'll have to deal with, and Im sure the smell will never come out of the carpet in the oval office!

When the midterms come, we cant let the democrats ABORT our will like they have so many lives down the drain,  The American people deserve better then a teenage democrats prom night clean up!


Also, they'll take away all our guns and give all the money to poor people in Chicago slums.  Gotta hit all the highlights.
 
2013-10-17 11:06:32 AM  

James!: I saw a former Republican rep on MSNBC last night claiming that this was a win for Boehner because he had to let the teapartiers shut down the government to secure his position.  24 billion is what his security cost us.


Maybe next time this happens, we could just offer him, say, 1/4th of that? $6 billion in-before you lead the world to the brink of a economic catastrophe? If China and Japan were willing to kick in $1 billion each, that would leave us with only a $4 billion tab.

Seeing as how teabaggers are sooooo concerned with excess debt, they will rejoice at this less spendy approach, no?
 
2013-10-17 11:08:08 AM  
The GOP's problem right now is lack of message, people are very willing to be against things, but it turns out that "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" isn't actually true. The Democrats quickly realized this when they ran Kerry under the "anyone but Bush" strategy in 2004. They thought it would be enough to not be the disliked guy. They were wrong. People need to see what they are voting for as much as what they are voting against.

So far the GOP's strategy has been "Obama bad" but hasn't come close to vocalizing what they think "good" is. This doesn't work, and they haven't realized it yet. It especially doesn't work when you are stopping people from doing their jobs.

GOP: "This is wrong, we shouldn't be doing this, and I will stop you!"
America: "We don't like everything that's going on, now you have our attention, what should we be doing?"
GOP: "Uh, not this!"
America: "Right. Got that part, but right now you're making it worse. What should we be doing?"
GOP: "Obama bad!"
America: "Yeah, we're done with you now."

The problem is that they, themselves, don't know what they stand for anymore. This won't spell the end of Republicans as some say (they'll retain the name) but I'd be surprised if the party platform doesn't change dramatically in the next decade.
 
2013-10-17 11:08:18 AM  

www.blastr.com


Begin, the 'tard wars have

 
2013-10-17 11:08:19 AM  

Carn: Heliovdrake: Conservatism cant fail you, only YOU can fail conservaism.  We as a nation dropped the soap in the PRISON showers that is the halls of congress, by electing the RINO's thats what we saw last night. They took our nation away from us, against our will. The will of the people Said no, but the traitor RINO's said YES. We need to distance ourselves from the RINO SCUM who voted with the socialist democrats, Rush and Glenn already get it, they know the majority of the G.odless O.ld  P.retenders have  sold themselves into SLAVERY to OBAMA.   Now is the time, rally our troops and kick out the GOP in 2014! Patch up as many holes as we can in the USS USA by blocking anything the dictator in chief wants until 2016 when we can get our MAN into office, I feel bad for the mess he'll have to deal with, and Im sure the smell will never come out of the carpet in the oval office!

When the midterms come, we cant let the democrats ABORT our will like they have so many lives down the drain,  The American people deserve better then a teenage democrats prom night clean up!

Also, they'll take away all our guns and give all the money to poor people in Chicago slums.  Gotta hit all the highlights.


Slums created by BANKSTERS who are working for the NEW WORLD ORDER trying to force us all to get GAY MARRIED TO FREEMASONS so we can't have any more WHITE BABIES to resist the coming global CALIPHATE OF BARAHAMMAD OBAMMAD.
 
2013-10-17 11:08:39 AM  
You know, I think it was really abhorrent of Obama to risk the full faith and credit of this nation in a cynical ploy to attempt to undercut his domestic opposition.

I'm just throwing this out there.  Thoughts?
 
2013-10-17 11:09:04 AM  

JusticeandIndependence: Judging by my local AM radio this morning on my way to work, those that didn't fall in line with Ted Cruz and Mike Lee are on their way out.  They believe they didn't go far enough.

One guy compared Richard Burr to Kay Hagen and said he couldn't tell a difference.

I am fascinated by how their minds malfunction....


FTFY
 
2013-10-17 11:09:14 AM  

Skleenar: Personally, I think the GOP might have won if they had been just a little more conservative on this issue.

Just throwing that out there.  Thoughts?


The further to the right approach did not work out so well for Lonegan in NJ last night.
 
2013-10-17 11:09:15 AM  

Skleenar: I think you're missing the nuance of the Republican position on this.  Don't worry, a lot of you libulardos do.  See, this tragic defeat was a huge win for the GOP in that it showed them standing up against tyranny, except for the traitorous scum that run the party.  This victorious tragedy will only serve to galvanize the true conservatives against the American hating Republicans and Democrats and rally real Americans to the cause of freedom under the banner of a Republican party strongly united in the sacred necessity of tearing it apart to get at the backstabbers.


Funny'd and Smart'd.
 
2013-10-17 11:09:17 AM  
It must suck to be schizophrenic and all of your personalities are idiots.
 
2013-10-17 11:09:44 AM  

Weaver95: I wonder if they'll conclude they weren't conservative enough and should move more to the right?


That's where my money is.

They will slap-fight each other for a while then this old chestnut will be trotted out by the far right. It will poll well, embolden them, and we will be back at this next time.

sigh
 
2013-10-17 11:10:08 AM  

Skleenar: You know, I think...


You're cute.  Have a cookie.
 
2013-10-17 11:10:19 AM  

Corvus: JusticeandIndependence: Judging by my local AM radio this morning on my way to work, those that didn't fall in line with Ted Cruz and Mike Lee are on their way out.  They believe they didn't go far enough.

One guy compared Richard Burr to Kay Hagen and said he couldn't tell a difference.

I am fascinated by how their minds malfunction....

FTFY


Its not a bug, its a feature
 
2013-10-17 11:10:22 AM  
Tea Party tried to parlay polls showing dissatisfaction with Obamacare into a political victory. Failure.
Boehner tried to talk sense with tea partiers and when he fails jumps in their canoe. Failure.
Democratic cries of Armageddon over a government shutdown proved laughable. Failure.
Obama saying he will not negotiate, then negotiates. Failure.
Fox News goes full tard with slimdown. Failure.
Final deal sets us up for more of this insanity in a few months. Failure.

So yeah, start declaring victory.
 
2013-10-17 11:10:23 AM  
The president in on teevee trying to be the adult right now.

/I don't think it's going to work. I hope it will, but I just don't think so.
//Legislation preventing sociopath congress creatures from taking the country hostage would be good.
 
2013-10-17 11:11:07 AM  

FormlessOne: Prime: I'm going to go with America lost. We will recover, but there will be some long-term repercussions.
The massive trashing of the GOP and tea party brands will be a plus. I wonder what they'll rename themselves.

Why, the Freedom Party, of course.


If the elect Jake Featherston as leader, I'm moving to Australia.
 
2013-10-17 11:11:29 AM  

Obama's Reptiloid Master: Carn: Heliovdrake: Conservatism cant fail you, only YOU can fail conservaism.  We as a nation dropped the soap in the PRISON showers that is the halls of congress, by electing the RINO's thats what we saw last night. They took our nation away from us, against our will. The will of the people Said no, but the traitor RINO's said YES. We need to distance ourselves from the RINO SCUM who voted with the socialist democrats, Rush and Glenn already get it, they know the majority of the G.odless O.ld  P.retenders have  sold themselves into SLAVERY to OBAMA.   Now is the time, rally our troops and kick out the GOP in 2014! Patch up as many holes as we can in the USS USA by blocking anything the dictator in chief wants until 2016 when we can get our MAN into office, I feel bad for the mess he'll have to deal with, and Im sure the smell will never come out of the carpet in the oval office!

When the midterms come, we cant let the democrats ABORT our will like they have so many lives down the drain,  The American people deserve better then a teenage democrats prom night clean up!

Also, they'll take away all our guns and give all the money to poor people in Chicago slums.  Gotta hit all the highlights.

Slums created by BANKSTERS who are working for the NEW WORLD ORDER trying to force us all to get GAY MARRIED TO FREEMASONS so we can't have any more WHITE BABIES to resist the coming global CALIPHATE OF BARAHAMMAD OBAMMAD.


The END TIMES are here, my fellow PATRIOTS. We must RISE UP. A HOUSE divided cannot STAND. Our FREEDOMS are being eroded by a MARXIST CABAL. OBAMUGABE is a TYRANT. Let us water the tree of LIBERTY.

/am I doin' it right?
//...
///Profit?
 
2013-10-17 11:11:44 AM  
My scary prediction:


1.  In January, "moderate" Republicans will block the Tea Party from trying this stunt again.


2.  In outrage, the Tea Party will eventually split from the Republican Party.  While that seems like a good thing, it's actually not...


3.  That will create three viable parties, with the Republican Party in the middle, to occupy the "centrist" label. Longterm, it will shift all mainstream political discourse further to the right, putting Democrats on equal "extremist" footing with the Tea Party. To be considered centrist, one would have to be Republican.
 
2013-10-17 11:12:05 AM  

Skleenar: You know, I think it was really abhorrent of Obama to risk the full faith and credit of this nation in a cynical ploy to attempt to undercut his domestic opposition.

I'm just throwing this out there.  Thoughts?


Brain damage?
 
2013-10-17 11:12:38 AM  

Skleenar: You know, I think it was really abhorrent of Obama to risk the full faith and credit of this nation in a cynical ploy to attempt to undercut his domestic opposition.

I'm just throwing this out there.  Thoughts?


To many multi-syllaballic words.
 
2013-10-17 11:13:28 AM  

urbangirl: Skleenar: You know, I think it was really abhorrent of Obama to risk the full faith and credit of this nation in a cynical ploy to attempt to undercut his domestic opposition.

I'm just throwing this out there.  Thoughts?

To Too many multi-syllaballic words.


FTFM
 
2013-10-17 11:13:43 AM  
Carrying a cross and wrapped in the flag, he's Ted Cruz.
 
2013-10-17 11:14:32 AM  

Cletus C.: Tea Party tried to parlay polls showing dissatisfaction with Obamacare into a political victory. Failure.
Boehner tried to talk sense with tea partiers and when he fails jumps in their canoe. Failure.
Democratic cries of Armageddon over a government shutdown proved laughable. Failure.
Obama saying he will not negotiate, then negotiates. Failure.

Fox News goes full tard with slimdown. Failure.
Final deal sets us up for more of this insanity in a few months. Failure.

So yeah, start declaring victory.


No, they didn't and no, he didn't.  Keep on banging the BSAB drum though, Cletus.  Lately, you've been more subtle though.
 
2013-10-17 11:14:34 AM  

imontheinternet: A Texas politician led his people into a conflict with no clear strategy, poorly thought out goals, and no endgame planned.



 thelibertarianrepublic.com


"BE SILENT, FRIEND. HERE HEROES DIED..."

 
2013-10-17 11:14:47 AM  

HMS_Blinkin: bdub77: HMS_Blinkin: Diogenes: Even if you're against the ACA, if you're intellectually honest, your criticism should be over their farking ridiculous strategy to attack it.

$24 billion+ failed strategy.  Well done, teabaggers.  Really well done.

The GOP/Teabaggers are a football team that just decided to punt on first & goal.  And now they're high-fiving each other for their brilliant tactic.

That is a terrible analogy. So by your logic, destroying the US and world economy is now considered the equivalent of "touchdown"?

I don't think that.  The teabaggers think that defunding Obamacare is a TD.  Get it?  They had this big goal of somehow defunding or repealing Obamacare, which was a stupid goal.  But their tactics were even more idiotic.  They failed to accomplish their goal, they got a worse deal than what they would have gotten if they'd just accepted the Senate's CR back in September, they increased the federal debt (that thing they claim to care SO MUCH about) unnecessarily by $24 billion, AND on top of all of that everyone hates them.

Granted, I'm not sure where destroying the economy falls in a football analogy.  Maybe they have the ball at 1st and goal, but they've threatened to dynamite the whole stadium and everyone in it, including themselves and their own fans, if they don't score their TD.  But instead of running plays, they let the play clock wind down and get called for delay of game penalties and they finally punt, and Obama returns it 100 yards for the TD.

Is that better?  Maybe there isn't a good sports analogy here, but it made sense to me at the time.


Just watch a Purdue football game and you'll probably find a good analogy there. Two words: train wreck.
 
2013-10-17 11:16:04 AM  
Ideology?
 
2013-10-17 11:16:45 AM  

Elegy: bdub77: Let's be perfectly clear though. Of the 30 or so Tea Party asshats who started this mess, most of them are from the good ol' confederacy. Let's not forget that.

You know when the Union won 150 years ago, the Confederates went back home and said "We fought the good fight" and all they had to show for it was a bunch of dead people and a destroyed economy.

If by "most" you mean "about half."

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But please, don't let my facts get in the way of you grinding away at that axe.


More like, "Don't let my bitterness ruin your good time." And we won't. But thanks for your input.
 
2013-10-17 11:17:38 AM  

Corn_Fed: My scary prediction:


1.  In January, "moderate" Republicans will block the Tea Party from trying this stunt again.


2.  In outrage, the Tea Party will eventually split from the Republican Party.  While that seems like a good thing, it's actually not...


3.  That will create three viable parties, with the Republican Party in the middle, to occupy the "centrist" label. Longterm, it will shift all mainstream political discourse further to the right, putting Democrats on equal "extremist" footing with the Tea Party. To be considered centrist, one would have to be Republican.


On the other hand the TeaTards and GOP will both lack enough "base" to really dominate federal elections leaving the Dems with a strong majority. (maybe)
 
2013-10-17 11:18:24 AM  

Skleenar: You know, I think it was really abhorrent of Obama to risk the full faith and credit of this nation in a cynical ploy to attempt to undercut his domestic opposition.

I'm just throwing this out there.  Thoughts?


Too much Freeper reading? Fox news?
 
2013-10-17 11:19:25 AM  

Corn_Fed: My scary prediction:


1.  In January, "moderate" Republicans will block the Tea Party from trying this stunt again.


2.  In outrage, the Tea Party will eventually split from the Republican Party.  While that seems like a good thing, it's actually not...


3.  That will create three viable parties, with the Republican Party in the middle, to occupy the "centrist" label. Longterm, it will shift all mainstream political discourse further to the right, putting Democrats on equal "extremist" footing with the Tea Party. To be considered centrist, one would have to be Republican.


False. It will create one viable party and two smaller parties fighting over the bigger piece of 47% of the remaining voting population.
 
2013-10-17 11:19:26 AM  

Carn: Heliovdrake: Conservatism cant fail you, only YOU can fail conservaism.  We as a nation dropped the soap in the PRISON showers that is the halls of congress, by electing the RINO's thats what we saw last night. They took our nation away from us, against our will. The will of the people Said no, but the traitor RINO's said YES. We need to distance ourselves from the RINO SCUM who voted with the socialist democrats, Rush and Glenn already get it, they know the majority of the G.odless O.ld  P.retenders have  sold themselves into SLAVERY to OBAMA.   Now is the time, rally our troops and kick out the GOP in 2014! Patch up as many holes as we can in the USS USA by blocking anything the dictator in chief wants until 2016 when we can get our MAN into office, I feel bad for the mess he'll have to deal with, and Im sure the smell will never come out of the carpet in the oval office!

When the midterms come, we cant let the democrats ABORT our will like they have so many lives down the drain,  The American people deserve better then a teenage democrats prom night clean up!


This doesnt mean we can be complacent until 2014-16. Obama is trying to disarm us now, BOTH politically and physically, no adminstation on earth since or before the NAZIs have tried so hard to disarm its people before a hostile takeover, while at the SAME TIME giving money away to its most violent drug using elements, and making it so the CRIMINALS are better armed then the average soverign citizen. THis is why we have to oppose and block anything the Negatively inteligent great godless evil repugnant 0bama tries!
 
2013-10-17 11:23:50 AM  

Carn: Cletus C.: Tea Party tried to parlay polls showing dissatisfaction with Obamacare into a political victory. Failure.
Boehner tried to talk sense with tea partiers and when he fails jumps in their canoe. Failure.
Democratic cries of Armageddon over a government shutdown proved laughable. Failure.
Obama saying he will not negotiate, then negotiates. Failure.
Fox News goes full tard with slimdown. Failure.
Final deal sets us up for more of this insanity in a few months. Failure.

So yeah, start declaring victory.

No, they didn't and no, he didn't.  Keep on banging the BSAB drum though, Cletus.  Lately, you've been more subtle though.


Oh, I think Obama had to negotiate for the good of the country. He didn't give up much but he negotiated. I hope he starts new negotiations immediately so we don't go through this again. But it would be naive to think anything productive will happen before we're on the brink again.
 
2013-10-17 11:24:17 AM  

Heliovdrake: Carn: Heliovdrake: Conservatism cant fail you, only YOU can fail conservaism.  We as a nation dropped the soap in the PRISON showers that is the halls of congress, by electing the RINO's thats what we saw last night. They took our nation away from us, against our will. The will of the people Said no, but the traitor RINO's said YES. We need to distance ourselves from the RINO SCUM who voted with the socialist democrats, Rush and Glenn already get it, they know the majority of the G.odless O.ld  P.retenders have  sold themselves into SLAVERY to OBAMA.   Now is the time, rally our troops and kick out the GOP in 2014! Patch up as many holes as we can in the USS USA by blocking anything the dictator in chief wants until 2016 when we can get our MAN into office, I feel bad for the mess he'll have to deal with, and Im sure the smell will never come out of the carpet in the oval office!

When the midterms come, we cant let the democrats ABORT our will like they have so many lives down the drain,  The American people deserve better then a teenage democrats prom night clean up!

This doesnt mean we can be complacent until 2014-16. Obama is trying to disarm us now, BOTH politically and physically, no adminstation on earth since or before the NAZIs have tried so hard to disarm its people before a hostile takeover, while at the SAME TIME giving money away to its most violent drug using elements, and making it so the CRIMINALS are better armed then the average soverign citizen. THis is why we have to oppose and block anything the Negatively inteligent great godless evil repugnant 0bama tries!


And if you occasionally put something in ALL CAPS, it really helps drive HOME your point!  Much, much better and visible than using BOLD or ITALICS, or worst of all, UNDERLINING!  You can take any sentence and, without ALL CAPS, it's pretty frigging boring.  For instance: "I'll cut your heart out with a spork and eat it with side of glass shards."  Boring, right?  But change it to "I'll CUT your heat out with a SPORK and EAT it with GLASS SHARDS" and now you're really saying some cool crap!
 
2013-10-17 11:24:50 AM  

Corn_Fed: To be considered centrist, one would have to be Republican.


If they expelled the derp brigade, why would that be such a bad thing?  Or does something about having a R next to your name make you intrinsically evil?
 
2013-10-17 11:25:52 AM  
as someone who lives in a red state I can only think this is somehow Obama's fault

/what most of my coworkers believe
 
2013-10-17 11:26:05 AM  
Im gona give my above post test run over at Hope and Change comments section later today.

http://hopenchangecartoons.blogspot.com/2013/10/a-mime-is-terrible-t hi ng-to-waste.html

Think it will fly?
 
2013-10-17 11:26:12 AM  
All I know is, despite the tremendous effort of MSM to paint this as a "both sides" issue, and some serioulsy impressive leaps of logic to further that fantasy, the GOP still ended up losing this, the Democrats still stood firm, and public opinion went the direction that it rightfully should have.

Shame on the media though, for promoting the bothsidez thing through all of this. The fourth estate has completely abdicated its responsibility to the public in regards to accurate reporting and informing. It would do them well to realize that recognizing and reporting the real causes and actors/parties furthering these issues and breakdowns is not biased reporting, it's just reporting. Blaming the GOP doesn't mean you're a shill for the DNC. It means the GOP are acting like a bunch of dumbshiats, and they need light shined on them to prevent them from acting that way. The media as it currently stands are the only ones with that light, and they are just hell-bent on casting equal amounts on both parties.

/looking at you, CNN
 
2013-10-17 11:26:37 AM  

RexTalionis: Corn_Fed: My scary prediction:


1.  In January, "moderate" Republicans will block the Tea Party from trying this stunt again.


2.  In outrage, the Tea Party will eventually split from the Republican Party.  While that seems like a good thing, it's actually not...


3.  That will create three viable parties, with the Republican Party in the middle, to occupy the "centrist" label. Longterm, it will shift all mainstream political discourse further to the right, putting Democrats on equal "extremist" footing with the Tea Party. To be considered centrist, one would have to be Republican.

False. It will create one viable party and two smaller parties fighting over the bigger piece of 47% of the remaining voting population.



In the short-term, yes. I worry how such a scenario would play out over the long-term. After 10 years, I suspect that more would drift to the seeming "middle" choice, marginalizing both Democrats and the Tea Party.
 
2013-10-17 11:26:45 AM  

HMS_Blinkin: bdub77: HMS_Blinkin: Diogenes: Even if you're against the ACA, if you're intellectually honest, your criticism should be over their farking ridiculous strategy to attack it.

$24 billion+ failed strategy.  Well done, teabaggers.  Really well done.

The GOP/Teabaggers are a football team that just decided to punt on first & goal.  And now they're high-fiving each other for their brilliant tactic.

That is a terrible analogy. So by your logic, destroying the US and world economy is now considered the equivalent of "touchdown"?

I don't think that.  The teabaggers think that defunding Obamacare is a TD.  Get it?  They had this big goal of somehow defunding or repealing Obamacare, which was a stupid goal.  But their tactics were even more idiotic.  They failed to accomplish their goal, they got a worse deal than what they would have gotten if they'd just accepted the Senate's CR back in September, they increased the federal debt (that thing they claim to care SO MUCH about) unnecessarily by $24 billion, AND on top of all of that everyone hates them.

Granted, I'm not sure where destroying the economy falls in a football analogy.  Maybe they have the ball at 1st and goal, but they've threatened to dynamite the whole stadium and everyone in it, including themselves and their own fans, if they don't score their TD.  But instead of running plays, they let the play clock wind down and get called for delay of game penalties and they finally punt, and Obama returns it 100 yards for the TD.

Is that better?  Maybe there isn't a good sports analogy here, but it made sense to me at the time.


It's too hard to categorize every political movement in sports. The best rules of thumb in sports form I can say are:

- Run with the ball: like I say all the time, politics is momentum. It doesn't matter if what you're doing is fair or unfair, just or unjust; if you have the ball, your job is to run with it until someone stops you. That explains the majority of most political theater, from Ted Cruz to even the PPACA's passage.

- Don't out-kick your coverage: obviously, you can't just run by yourself. Don't throw your allies under the bus and exceed what your momentum will allow.

- Don't f*ck the towelboy: Just don't.
 
2013-10-17 11:26:53 AM  

HeadLever: Corn_Fed: To be considered centrist, one would have to be Republican.

If they expelled the derp brigade, why would that be such a bad thing?  Or does something about having a R next to your name make you intrinsically evil?


if they expelled the derp brigade they'd still be a party that is bad for the poor and middle class, they just wouldn't be insane while carrying it out.
 
2013-10-17 11:26:56 AM  

ShadowKamui: somedude210: Weaver95: I guess we wait and see. I wonder if they'll conclude they weren't conservative enough and should move more to the right?

how do you go further right than "actively trying to disassemble the government"?

Hugo Boss uniforms


Then it's just one small step to Gaultier... See, politics is a cirlce
 
2013-10-17 11:27:33 AM  

Corn_Fed: My scary prediction:


1.  In January, "moderate" Republicans will block the Tea Party from trying this stunt again.


2.  In outrage, the Tea Party will eventually split from the Republican Party.  While that seems like a good thing, it's actually not...


3.  That will create three viable parties, with the Republican Party in the middle, to occupy the "centrist" label. Longterm, it will shift all mainstream political discourse further to the right, putting Democrats on equal "extremist" footing with the Tea Party. To be considered centrist, one would have to be Republican.


Except the Democrat party has already started taking the moderate area that the Republicans have ceded in their courting of the crazies on their side.
 
2013-10-17 11:27:34 AM  

Corn_Fed: My scary prediction:


1.  In January, "moderate" Republicans will block the Tea Party from trying this stunt again.


2.  In outrage, the Tea Party will eventually split from the Republican Party.  While that seems like a good thing, it's actually not...


3.  That will create three viable parties, with the Republican Party in the middle, to occupy the "centrist" label. Longterm, it will shift all mainstream political discourse further to the right, putting Democrats on equal "extremist" footing with the Tea Party. To be considered centrist, one would have to be Republican.


Possible.  The Tea Party could just get dismissed as crazy, ending their pull on the Overton window. Democrats and Republicans could then openly work together to pass legislation.

Also, Democrats would have a lock on the White House for the foreseeable future, because the Tea Party would always be able to pick off a few southern and western states.
 
2013-10-17 11:28:09 AM  

Corn_Fed: In the short-term, yes. I worry how such a scenario would play out over the long-term. After 10 years, I suspect that more would drift to the seeming "middle" choice, marginalizing both Democrats and the Tea Party.


No. In the long term, the weaker of the third parties will collapse and be absorbed and we're right back to a two party system.

The way the American political system works, it can't sustain more than two major parties at a time.
 
2013-10-17 11:28:48 AM  

nmrsnr: GOP: "This is wrong, we shouldn't be doing this, and I will stop you!"
America: "We don't like everything that's going on, now you have our attention, what should we be doing?"
GOP: "Uh, not this!"
America: "Right. Got that part, but right now you're making it worse. What should we be doing?"
GOP: "Obama bad!"
America: "Yeah, we're done with you now."

The problem is that they, themselves, don't know what they stand for anymore. This won't spell the end of Republicans as some say (they'll retain the name) but I'd be surprised if the party platform doesn't change dramatically in the next decade.


I think they compare themselves to the US military in WWII. They didn't need to know what they stood for, just that Hitler was bad and needed to be defeated.

Of course that reading of history is completely false, and the FDR administration knew early on that rebuilding Europe and Japan was going to be a complex job. But the modern GOP acts domestically like Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld did with Iraq: They'll greet us as liberators because freedom!

Look at how Cruz was claiming that 'millions of people are rising up' in the US as justification for his expensive asshattery. Obama = Hitler, so freedom and then unicorns for everyone!
 
2013-10-17 11:29:24 AM  

HeadLever: Corn_Fed: To be considered centrist, one would have to be Republican.

If they expelled the derp brigade, why would that be such a bad thing?  Or does something about having a R next to your name make you intrinsically evil?


Because it wouldn't be today's version of "centrist." It would be a more rightward version of "centrist," in which the whole political dynamic had shifted rightward. "Centrist" would mean cuts to social programs, and increases to military spending. And to suggest otherwise would equate to being a fringey extremist.
 
2013-10-17 11:30:31 AM  
Random email from one of my freeper coworkers this morning:

With the latest Obama victory over the Constitution and over the surviving remnants of America in the debt limit/Obamacare battle, it's a good time to recall the political make-up of Post-America:

**The Democrats are the evil party.  They believe in Nothingness (degeneration, destruction, deconstruction, the Abyss).
**The Republicans are the stupid party.  They believe in nothing.
**The media demonize the Republicans and worship the Democrats.  Even though the Republicans don't actually do much to fight the Democrats, the Democrats still need a "Goldstein" type enemy to whip their (ahem) "low information" voters into a frenzy of hate every so often, and hapless Republicans like Mitt Romney, John McCain, and John Boehner serve this purpose.
**Anyone who actually attempts to fight the Democrats, and to represent working and middle class Americans, will be demonized, trashed, and pounced upon by the Democrats, the Republican establishment, and the media.  See Ted Cruz and the Tea Party for details.
 
2013-10-17 11:30:32 AM  

Skleenar: Ricardo Klement: Weaver95: I think the first hurdle the GOP faces is admitting that they lost in the shutdown fight in the first place. I've seen plenty of republicans who are convinced that the shutdown was a win for their party.

That's not the impression I got from reading last night's posts on John Boehner's FB page.

I think you're missing the nuance of the Republican position on this.  Don't worry, a lot of you libulardos do.  See, this tragic defeat was a huge win for the GOP in that it showed them standing up against tyranny, except for the traitorous scum that run the party.  This victorious tragedy will only serve to galvanize the true conservatives against the American hating Republicans and Democrats and rally real Americans to the cause of freedom under the banner of a Republican party strongly united in the sacred necessity of tearing it apart to get at the backstabbers.


And that folks, is how the South's Lost Cause mythology was started!
 
2013-10-17 11:30:34 AM  

nmrsnr: The GOP's problem right now is lack of message, people are very willing to be against things, but it turns out that "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" isn't actually true. The Democrats quickly realized this when they ran Kerry under the "anyone but Bush" strategy in 2004. They thought it would be enough to not be the disliked guy. They were wrong. People need to see what they are voting for as much as what they are voting against.


The other issue is that what the GOP is most stridently "against" is groups who, you know, actually vote: black folks, Latinos and Latinas, women, non-Christian folks, gay folks, transgendered folks, etc.

Add all those people up, and you get a giant coalition that is voting Democrat because the other major party sure seems like it wants to ruin their lives utterly and completely.
 
2013-10-17 11:30:34 AM  

T-Servo: nmrsnr: GOP: "This is wrong, we shouldn't be doing this, and I will stop you!"
America: "We don't like everything that's going on, now you have our attention, what should we be doing?"
GOP: "Uh, not this!"
America: "Right. Got that part, but right now you're making it worse. What should we be doing?"
GOP: "Obama bad!"
America: "Yeah, we're done with you now."

The problem is that they, themselves, don't know what they stand for anymore. This won't spell the end of Republicans as some say (they'll retain the name) but I'd be surprised if the party platform doesn't change dramatically in the next decade.

I think they compare themselves to the US military in WWII. They didn't need to know what they stood for, just that Hitler was bad and needed to be defeated.

Of course that reading of history is completely false, and the FDR administration knew early on that rebuilding Europe and Japan was going to be a complex job. But the modern GOP acts domestically like Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld did with Iraq: They'll greet us as liberators because freedom!

Look at how Cruz was claiming that 'millions of people are rising up' in the US as justification for his expensive asshattery. Obama = Hitler, so freedom and then unicorns for everyone!


Unicorns sound pretty gay. I'm not sure how the conservative movement will receive that.

/in the ass in an airport bathroom, of course.
 
2013-10-17 11:32:07 AM  

AMonkey'sUncle: Hey, that Orville Rednecker stock price was classified Pop Secret!


My wife always says that I laugh at the stupidest things.  I've never been more convinced she's right.

/I think I love you
 
2013-10-17 11:32:16 AM  

Heliovdrake: Carn: Heliovdrake: Conservatism cant fail you, only YOU can fail conservaism.  We as a nation dropped the soap in the PRISON showers that is the halls of congress, by electing the RINO's thats what we saw last night. They took our nation away from us, against our will. The will of the people Said no, but the traitor RINO's said YES. We need to distance ourselves from the RINO SCUM who voted with the socialist democrats, Rush and Glenn already get it, they know the majority of the G.odless O.ld  P.retenders have  sold themselves into SLAVERY to OBAMA.   Now is the time, rally our troops and kick out the GOP in 2014! Patch up as many holes as we can in the USS USA by blocking anything the dictator in chief wants until 2016 when we can get our MAN into office, I feel bad for the mess he'll have to deal with, and Im sure the smell will never come out of the carpet in the oval office!

When the midterms come, we cant let the democrats ABORT our will like they have so many lives down the drain,  The American people deserve better then a teenage democrats prom night clean up!

This doesnt mean we can be complacent until 2014-16. Obama is trying to disarm us now, BOTH politically and physically, no adminstation on earth since or before the NAZIs have tried so hard to disarm its people before a hostile takeover, while at the SAME TIME giving money away to its most violent drug using elements, and making it so the CRIMINALS are better armed then the average soverign citizen. THis is why we have to oppose and block anything the Negatively inteligent great godless evil repugnant 0bama tries!


Did you come up with that, because that looks amazingly close to one of those FW: FW: FW: emails I've had soil my inbox.
 
2013-10-17 11:32:43 AM  

ModernPrimitive01: Random email from one of my freeper coworkers this morning:

With the latest Obama victory over the Constitution and over the surviving remnants of America in the debt limit/Obamacare battle, it's a good time to recall the political make-up of Post-America:

**The Democrats are the evil party.  They believe in Nothingness (degeneration, destruction, deconstruction, the Abyss).
**The Republicans are the stupid party.  They believe in nothing.
**The media demonize the Republicans and worship the Democrats.  Even though the Republicans don't actually do much to fight the Democrats, the Democrats still need a "Goldstein" type enemy to whip their (ahem) "low information" voters into a frenzy of hate every so often, and hapless Republicans like Mitt Romney, John McCain, and John Boehner serve this purpose.
**Anyone who actually attempts to fight the Democrats, and to represent working and middle class Americans, will be demonized, trashed, and pounced upon by the Democrats, the Republican establishment, and the media.  See Ted Cruz and the Tea Party for details.


Yay! More Lost Cause mythos!
 
2013-10-17 11:33:53 AM  

Heliovdrake: Im gona give my above post test run over at Hope and Change comments section later today.

http://hopenchangecartoons.blogspot.com/2013/10/a-mime-is-terrible-t hi ng-to-waste.html

Think it will fly?


That's embarrassingly bad.
 
2013-10-17 11:33:59 AM  

Skleenar: You know, I think it was really abhorrent of Obama to risk the full faith and credit of this nation in a cynical ploy to attempt to undercut his domestic opposition.

I'm just throwing this out there.  Thoughts?


yeah i'm a lefty but I am concerned about this
 
2013-10-17 11:34:36 AM  

bdub77: I loved Boehner yesterday "We fought the good fight." No, no you f*cking didn't. You put 800,000 people out of work for weeks.


To say nothing of costing the nation >$22 Billion. Party of fiscal responsibility my ass.
 
2013-10-17 11:35:21 AM  

RexTalionis: Corn_Fed: My scary prediction:


1.  In January, "moderate" Republicans will block the Tea Party from trying this stunt again.


2.  In outrage, the Tea Party will eventually split from the Republican Party.  While that seems like a good thing, it's actually not...


3.  That will create three viable parties, with the Republican Party in the middle, to occupy the "centrist" label. Longterm, it will shift all mainstream political discourse further to the right, putting Democrats on equal "extremist" footing with the Tea Party. To be considered centrist, one would have to be Republican.

False. It will create one viable party and two smaller parties fighting over the bigger piece of 47% of the remaining voting population.


Indeed.  The US electoral system always forces us back to a two party equilibrium, with one a majority party and the other a near-majority party trying to grab the extra votes to take control.  A true third party wouldn't even come close to having enough votes to win anything on the national level, and thus will never happen so long as we have a winner take all system.  There's a reason the Tea Party runs in GOP primaries instead of as independents.
 
2013-10-17 11:36:38 AM  

ModernPrimitive01: With the latest Obama victory over the Constitution and over the surviving remnants of America in the debt limit/Obamacare battle, it's a good time to recall the political make-up of Post-America:


Oh, I like that. What country do they think this is now?
 
2013-10-17 11:36:51 AM  

Heliovdrake: Carn: Heliovdrake: Conservatism cant fail you, only YOU can fail conservaism.  We as a nation dropped the soap in the PRISON showers that is the halls of congress, by electing the RINO's thats what we saw last night. They took our nation away from us, against our will. The will of the people Said no, but the traitor RINO's said YES. We need to distance ourselves from the RINO SCUM who voted with the socialist democrats, Rush and Glenn already get it, they know the majority of the G.odless O.ld  P.retenders have  sold themselves into SLAVERY to OBAMA.   Now is the time, rally our troops and kick out the GOP in 2014! Patch up as many holes as we can in the USS USA by blocking anything the dictator in chief wants until 2016 when we can get our MAN into office, I feel bad for the mess he'll have to deal with, and Im sure the smell will never come out of the carpet in the oval office!

When the midterms come, we cant let the democrats ABORT our will like they have so many lives down the drain,  The American people deserve better then a teenage democrats prom night clean up!

This doesnt mean we can be complacent until 2014-16. Obama is trying to disarm us now, BOTH politically and physically, no adminstation on earth since or before the NAZIs have tried so hard to disarm its people before a hostile takeover, while at the SAME TIME giving money away to its most violent drug using elements, and making it so the CRIMINALS are better armed then the average soverign citizen. THis is why we have to oppose and block anything the Negatively inteligent great godless evil repugnant 0bama tries!


Now you're getting there.  Turn up the spittle a little more and I think you'll have it.
 
2013-10-17 11:37:34 AM  

TwoBeersOneCan: mgshamster: Dog Welder: Well, at least the ants will be saved...
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I very much want to draw a cartoon of an ant on a cross next to that passage.

It had better be a four armed cross.


I was envisioning just two arms hanging out in the open.  But four would work well, too.
 
2013-10-17 11:39:34 AM  

Corn_Fed: That will create three viable parties,


No it won't. While our electoral system's two-party rule has a  lot of disadvantages, one major advantage is it prevents the Tea Party from becoming a legitimate third party. Either the Tea Party needs to co-opt the Republican party, or they become a bunch of fringe goofballs. There's no middle ground.
 
2013-10-17 11:39:36 AM  

Obama's Reptiloid Master: Unicorns sound pretty gay. I'm not sure how the conservative movement will receive that.

/in the ass in an airport bathroom, of course.


OK, how about "virile stallions'? I'm sure those can be found in airport washrooms. Bears, too.
 
2013-10-17 11:39:57 AM  

Emposter: RexTalionis: Corn_Fed: My scary prediction:


1.  In January, "moderate" Republicans will block the Tea Party from trying this stunt again.


2.  In outrage, the Tea Party will eventually split from the Republican Party.  While that seems like a good thing, it's actually not...


3.  That will create three viable parties, with the Republican Party in the middle, to occupy the "centrist" label. Longterm, it will shift all mainstream political discourse further to the right, putting Democrats on equal "extremist" footing with the Tea Party. To be considered centrist, one would have to be Republican.

False. It will create one viable party and two smaller parties fighting over the bigger piece of 47% of the remaining voting population.

Indeed.  The US electoral system always forces us back to a two party equilibrium, with one a majority party and the other a near-majority party trying to grab the extra votes to take control.  A true third party wouldn't even come close to having enough votes to win anything on the national level, and thus will never happen so long as we have a winner take all system.  There's a reason the Tea Party runs in GOP primaries instead of as independents.


I hope you are right about this. I'm definitely not rooting for my prediction.
 
2013-10-17 11:40:03 AM  

mgshamster: TwoBeersOneCan: mgshamster: Dog Welder: Well, at least the ants will be saved...
[img153.imageshack.us image 800x600]

I very much want to draw a cartoon of an ant on a cross next to that passage.

It had better be a four armed cross.

I was envisioning just two arms hanging out in the open.  But four would work well, too.


You could have Mitt walking away with a hammer thinking, "Nailed it!"
 
2013-10-17 11:40:40 AM  

Heliovdrake: Carn: Heliovdrake: Conservatism cant fail you, only YOU can fail conservaism.  We as a nation dropped the soap in the PRISON showers that is the halls of congress, by electing the RINO's thats what we saw last night. They took our nation away from us, against our will. The will of the people Said no, but the traitor RINO's said YES. We need to distance ourselves from the RINO SCUM who voted with the socialist democrats, Rush and Glenn already get it, they know the majority of the G.odless O.ld  P.retenders have  sold themselves into SLAVERY to OBAMA.   Now is the time, rally our troops and kick out the GOP in 2014! Patch up as many holes as we can in the USS USA by blocking anything the dictator in chief wants until 2016 when we can get our MAN into office, I feel bad for the mess he'll have to deal with, and Im sure the smell will never come out of the carpet in the oval office!

When the midterms come, we cant let the democrats ABORT our will like they have so many lives down the drain,  The American people deserve better then a teenage democrats prom night clean up!

This doesnt mean we can be complacent until 2014-16. Obama is trying to disarm us now, BOTH politically and physically, no adminstation on earth since or before the NAZIs have tried so hard to disarm its people before a hostile takeover, while at the SAME TIME giving money away to its most violent drug using elements, and making it so the CRIMINALS are better armed then the average soverign citizen. THis is why we have to oppose and block anything the Negatively inteligent great godless evil repugnant 0bama tries!


Ooooh, I see what you did there.
 
2013-10-17 11:40:48 AM  

Cletus C.: Carn: Cletus C.: Tea Party tried to parlay polls showing dissatisfaction with Obamacare into a political victory. Failure.
Boehner tried to talk sense with tea partiers and when he fails jumps in their canoe. Failure.
Democratic cries of Armageddon over a government shutdown proved laughable. Failure.
Obama saying he will not negotiate, then negotiates. Failure.
Fox News goes full tard with slimdown. Failure.
Final deal sets us up for more of this insanity in a few months. Failure.

So yeah, start declaring victory.

No, they didn't and no, he didn't.  Keep on banging the BSAB drum though, Cletus.  Lately, you've been more subtle though.

Oh, I think Obama had to negotiate for the good of the country. He didn't give up much but he negotiated. I hope he starts new negotiations immediately so we don't go through this again. But it would be naive to think anything productive will happen before we're on the brink again.


I'd say stating the Obama negotiated is hardly an accurate representation of the matter - the senate gave the slightest of meaningless concessions so that Boehner could save a tiny bit of face.  I agree on the second part.  If House republicans had been willing to have an actual debate since March rather than a crusade against Obamacare, we might already have this thing settled.  I don't think that's what the zealots want and I don't see them negotiating in good faith on any budget matters.  I see them sticking to their stance of "give us everything we want and you get nothing or else we burn the government down".
 
2013-10-17 11:41:37 AM  
I think my favorite take away is that the TEA party will own this into the election quite proudly. I am interested to see how that plays out in the primaries and election. I suspect it will mean the extremists will get trounced, but it could also mean the independents aren't who I think they are.
 
2013-10-17 11:42:14 AM  

T-Servo: I think they compare themselves to the US military in WWII. They didn't need to know what they stood for, just that Hitler was bad and needed to be defeated.


For the Tea Party-ers I believe you are correct. Defeating Hitler was goal, because we didn't particularly have to worry about the rebuilding, since it was war not on our soil (we did have a heavy hand in things, but we could have gone isolationist if we wanted). So if you analogize that to "stopping/diminishing government" then you get the no compromise, who cares about the debt limit, cripple the government at any cost Ted Cruz types, but that's a minority of a minority of people in the US. For everyone else, they know they have to run the show afterwards, and they haven't been able to articulate what they think government should be doing if they had their way, and those that have (Paul Ryan) are pretty much laughed out of the room.
 
2013-10-17 11:42:35 AM  

nmrsnr: ModernPrimitive01: With the latest Obama victory over the Constitution and over the surviving remnants of America in the debt limit/Obamacare battle, it's a good time to recall the political make-up of Post-America:

Oh, I like that. What country do they think this is now?


he uses the term in every day conversations. Usually I try not to ask, it usually just leads to ranting. From what I gather it's basically that America is so far gone we shouldn't even call it America anymore. America was the 1950s and ended when Reagan stop being president
 
2013-10-17 11:43:44 AM  

t3knomanser: Corn_Fed: That will create three viable parties,

No it won't. While our electoral system's two-party rule has a  lot of disadvantages, one major advantage is it prevents the Tea Party from becoming a legitimate third party. Either the Tea Party needs to co-opt the Republican party, or they become a bunch of fringe goofballs. There's no middle ground.


Just curious...while I realize a third party has no chance of winning the presidency, what would prevent a third party from gaining a bunch of seats in the House of Representatives? And slowly building a coalition?
 
2013-10-17 11:44:06 AM  
 
2013-10-17 11:44:39 AM  

ArkPanda: ShadowKamui: somedude210: Weaver95: I guess we wait and see. I wonder if they'll conclude they weren't conservative enough and should move more to the right?

how do you go further right than "actively trying to disassemble the government"?

Hugo Boss uniforms

At least the Nazis had style; they knew how to intimidate.  When someone wearing a bad colonial costume with teabags hanging off it bangs on your door in the middle of the night, "shiat your pants in terror" will probably not be your first reaction.


Yes, the reaction is more "piss your pants while laughing".
 
2013-10-17 11:45:43 AM  

nmrsnr: ModernPrimitive01: With the latest Obama victory over the Constitution and over the surviving remnants of America in the debt limit/Obamacare battle, it's a good time to recall the political make-up of Post-America:

Oh, I like that. What country do they think this is now?


The part in their Lost Cause narrative before it becomes the Restored United States of America.

/I'm assuming a lot of teabaggers are Kevin Costner fans. Don't know why, I just wanted to make a Postman reference.
 
2013-10-17 11:46:23 AM  

RexTalionis: Corn_Fed: My scary prediction:


1.  In January, "moderate" Republicans will block the Tea Party from trying this stunt again.


2.  In outrage, the Tea Party will eventually split from the Republican Party.  While that seems like a good thing, it's actually not...


3.  That will create three viable parties, with the Republican Party in the middle, to occupy the "centrist" label. Longterm, it will shift all mainstream political discourse further to the right, putting Democrats on equal "extremist" footing with the Tea Party. To be considered centrist, one would have to be Republican.

False. It will create one viable party and two smaller parties fighting over the bigger piece of 47% of the remaining voting population.


That's my thought as well.  The Dems aren't going to shift to other parties and many people who've been voting R have been holding their noses either because:  (a) they're insane tea party people who are voting for a moderate or (b) they're sane and voting for a tea party loon because they've always voted for R.
 
2013-10-17 11:47:57 AM  

Heliovdrake: Ok, its posted, lets see how it does.

http://hopenchangecartoons.blogspot.com/2013/10/a-mime-is-terrible-t hi ng-to-waste.html


I award you one Free Hope n' Change Ebook!
 
2013-10-17 11:51:06 AM  

Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: Heliovdrake: Ok, its posted, lets see how it does.

http://hopenchangecartoons.blogspot.com/2013/10/a-mime-is-terrible-t hi ng-to-waste.html

I award you one Free Hope n' Change Ebook!


; _ ; Please don't.


Also I found this Gem over there.


I've never understood the whole "teabag" slur thing.

Like many conservatives, I've had liberals retort that my opinion was basically worthless for no better reason than because I was just another "teabagger", as if that was some sort of actual argument, or would somehow offend me.

As I am not a homosexual and do not go out of my way to be familiar with all homosexual sexual practices, I still don't even know the literal meaning of the term beyond understanding that it's a reference to a specific homosexual sex act. So why would someone think that calling people like me "teabaggers" would somehow be meaningful or personally offend me or otherwise get under my skin, or would even somehow cause other people to regard my opinion as any less valid than theirs? I really don't get it.

Beyond the obvious hypocrisy of why it is okay for avowed liberals to use a purposely demeaning and offensive slur against people they not only disagree with, but very obviously "hate", what purpose does repeatedly slinging this clearly misdirected term serve? Do they honestly think that I am so insecure in my sexuality that upon hearing it I am going to go run and hide under my bed?

If it does anything, it demonstrates how utterly clueless they are about conservatives, how they feel, and what they really think. Or if they do know better, it only demonstrates the contempt they have for their own clueless audience. It's as if none of them actually know any "conservatives", (or homosexuals for that matter) what they think and believe. Could they really actually be that clueless?

Also, it shows their midnless contempt for homosexuals who might honestly find "teabagging" to be an intimate, loving and caring thing to do.

In order for propaganda to be effective, you must know your enemy. Clearly, people who mindlessly use this term do not. If anything, it's proof that they are running on emotion over rhetoric, and letting their blind hate do their thinking for them. Rather embarrassing, I think.

As far as I can tell, it only makes them look shallow, hateful, vacuous, ignorant, insensitive (to one of their favorite identity groups no less) and just plain dumb; everything they are attempting to convince others that they are not, and I am
.
 
2013-10-17 11:51:09 AM  
Hmm, I'm thinking maybe, just maybe my vote will actually matter next year, and Jeff Fortenberry gets bounced.
 
2013-10-17 11:51:25 AM  

ModernPrimitive01: Random email from one of my freeper coworkers this morning:

With the latest Obama victory over the Constitution and over the surviving remnants of America in the debt limit/Obamacare battle, it's a good time to recall the political make-up of Post-America:

**The Democrats are the evil party.  They believe in Nothingness (degeneration, destruction, deconstruction, the Abyss).
**The Republicans are the stupid party.  They believe in nothing.
**The media demonize the Republicans and worship the Democrats.  Even though the Republicans don't actually do much to fight the Democrats, the Democrats still need a "Goldstein" type enemy to whip their (ahem) "low information" voters into a frenzy of hate every so often, and hapless Republicans like Mitt Romney, John McCain, and John Boehner serve this purpose.
**Anyone who actually attempts to fight the Democrats, and to represent working and middle class Americans, will be demonized, trashed, and pounced upon by the Democrats, the Republican establishment, and the media.  See Ted Cruz and the Tea Party for details.


encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com
 
2013-10-17 11:53:48 AM  

Heliovdrake: Ok, its posted, lets see how it does.

http://hopenchangecartoons.blogspot.com/2013/10/a-mime-is-terrible-t hi ng-to-waste.html


For future reference, you might want to throw in some anti-Muslim stuff as well. That's red meat to the 'Bagger base.

That's just a minor point, though. Not even constructive criticism, just a thought. Overall, very well done.
 
2013-10-17 11:55:48 AM  

Mr. Coffee Nerves: $24,000,000,000 for Boehner to learn what we already knew -- negotiation with the teahadists is like going fishing with a guy who uses dynamite, and to save time he lights all the fuses before you launch the boat


+1 i made the same comment yesterday (like fishing with a guy who uses dynamite, but throws it under the boat... but look at all the fish, Boehner!)
 
2013-10-17 12:00:49 PM  

Cletus C.: Obama saying he will not negotiate, then negotiates. Failure.


The only thing Obama gave up in this fight was the back of his hand.
 
2013-10-17 12:01:50 PM  

somedude210: Weaver95: I think the first hurdle the GOP faces is admitting that they lost in the shutdown fight in the first place. I've seen plenty of republicans who are convinced that the shutdown was a win for their party.

There have also been some GOPers admitting they lost.

I'd be more impressed if they admit they lost and accept that this isn't the way to go


Funny thing is: those actually having some common sense and reflecting on what happened are now labeled "RINOs" just because they used their head.
 
2013-10-17 12:02:42 PM  

Corn_Fed: Just curious...while I realize a third party has no chance of winning the presidency, what would prevent a third party from gaining a bunch of seats in the House of Representatives? And slowly building a coalition?


Mostly barriers to getting on the ballot. Neither the Republicans nor the Democrats are completely stupid. They have a good thing going, and from the local level on up, they make it extremely hard for third parties to get on the ballot.

There are "safe districts".For example, when electing a Congressman, I know my vote doesn't count. I live in Pittsburgh- we're sending the Democrat. Ditto on the President. Heck, even for Mayor- since I'm not a registered Democrat, I don't get to vote for mayor (the mayor is decided by the Democratic primary, not the general election).

There's spite voting- many voters don't vote for a candidate because they particularly love that candidate- they just hate the other guy. So if I really hate Republicans, I'm going to vote for the Democrats and not a third party. That's because the Democrats have the best chance of beating the people I don't like. Look at how many people complained about Nader splitting the vote in 2000 (and Perot in 1992).

The median voter theorem has a role to play in this, too. People will usually vote for whichever candidate is closest to their own feelings- which simply means that someone has to find the median voter's stance on the issues and build a platform there. If a third party candidate starts the process there, you had better believe that one of the major party candidates will move in and steal it from him (in fact, one of the major purposes of third parties is to act as a "colonial organism" for politics- they move into new areas of the political landscape and then get displaced by the major parties).

This is all fueled by first-past-the-post voting. It's a system naturally geared towards building a two party system. The parties will shift, fragment and reform, but in the end, it's always going to be two parties.
 
2013-10-17 12:04:08 PM  

Heliovdrake: Also I found this Gem over there.

......

Also, it shows their midnless contempt for homosexuals who might honestly find "teabagging" to be an intimate, loving and caring thing to do.


I.....

Hmm....

Please tell me this is a troll.

Please.

/and I say this as a teabagger
//and a teabaggee
///slashies come in threes
 
2013-10-17 12:04:35 PM  

pueblonative: Skleenar: You know, I think...

You're cute.  Have a cookie.


Wow, Skleenar gets a retrospective 9/10 for that.
 
2013-10-17 12:05:43 PM  

Mentat: Cletus C.: Obama saying he will not negotiate, then negotiates. Failure.

The only thing Obama gave up in this fight was the back of his hand.


And written on the back of that hand was language on checking income eligibility for ACA applicants, a few spending measures for certain districts, a promise for bipartisan budget negotiations and a few more things. Not much. But he did negotiate.
 
2013-10-17 12:06:10 PM  

Corn_Fed: My scary prediction:


1.  In January, "moderate" Republicans will block the Tea Party from trying this stunt again.

please, please, please

2.  In outrage, the Tea Party will eventually split from the Republican Party.  While that seems like a good thing, it's actually not...

please, please, please

 

3.  That will create three viable parties, with the Republican Party in the middle, to occupy the "centrist" label. Longterm, it will shift all mainstream political discourse further to the right, putting Democrats on equal "extremist" footing with the Tea Party. To be considered centrist, one would have to be Republican.

The Tea Party and GOP would split the Conservative leaving the DNC with super majorities in both houses.  I don't have a problem with this.
 
2013-10-17 12:06:47 PM  

t3knomanser: This is all fueled by first-past-the-post voting. It's a system naturally geared towards building a two party system. The parties will shift, fragment and reform, but in the end, it ...


Here's the thing:

1992:  Perot (once you get past some of his crackpot ideas) was a pretty sensible candidate.
2000:  Nader was a farking crackpot...and Gore was no prize either.
 
2013-10-17 12:07:48 PM  

mrshowrules: Corn_Fed: My scary prediction:


1.  In January, "moderate" Republicans will block the Tea Party from trying this stunt again.

please, please, please

2.  In outrage, the Tea Party will eventually split from the Republican Party.  While that seems like a good thing, it's actually not...

please, please, please 

3.  That will create three viable parties, with the Republican Party in the middle, to occupy the "centrist" label. Longterm, it will shift all mainstream political discourse further to the right, putting Democrats on equal "extremist" footing with the Tea Party. To be considered centrist, one would have to be Republican.

The Tea Party and GOP would split the Conservative leaving the DNC with super majorities in both houses.  I don't have a problem with this.


Pretty much, TP goes hard right, the GOP goes center-right, the Dems shift back center-left.
 
2013-10-17 12:08:19 PM  

Heliovdrake: Ok, its posted, lets see how it does.

http://hopenchangecartoons.blogspot.com/2013/10/a-mime-is-terrible-t hi ng-to-waste.html


It's not so much the unfunniness that bothers me as it is the ignorant, righteous indignation.
 
2013-10-17 12:10:30 PM  

Cletus C.: Mentat: Cletus C.: Obama saying he will not negotiate, then negotiates. Failure.

The only thing Obama gave up in this fight was the back of his hand.

And written on the back of that hand was language on checking income eligibility for ACA applicants,

The party of small Government wants more Government up in people's business getting them to prove that they don't have the income they don't have.  How is that supposed to work? Anyways they can always blame the GOP when people get pissed off by this.
 
2013-10-17 12:10:59 PM  

Cletus C.: Mentat: Cletus C.: Obama saying he will not negotiate, then negotiates. Failure.

The only thing Obama gave up in this fight was the back of his hand.

And written on the back of that hand was language on checking income eligibility for ACA applicants, a few spending measures for certain districts, a promise for bipartisan budget negotiations and a few more things. Not much. But he did negotiate.


hey, he had to cave in and capitulate a little bit or he couldn't call himself a true democrat, you think they can spend years building up a brand of spinelessness and then throw it all away?
 
2013-10-17 12:12:05 PM  

justtray: Heliovdrake: Ok, its posted, lets see how it does.

http://hopenchangecartoons.blogspot.com/2013/10/a-mime-is-terrible-t hi ng-to-waste.html

It's not so much the unfunniness that bothers me as it is the ignorant, righteous indignation.


LIB DETECTED, MAN THE BUTT CANNONS!
FIRE AT SHILL!


/just kidding,
//this is practice.
///theres a lot of money to be had in rube dollars, and I want some.
 
2013-10-17 12:13:16 PM  

Heliovdrake: justtray: Heliovdrake: Ok, its posted, lets see how it does.

http://hopenchangecartoons.blogspot.com/2013/10/a-mime-is-terrible-t hi ng-to-waste.html

It's not so much the unfunniness that bothers me as it is the ignorant, righteous indignation.

LIB DETECTED, MAN THE BUTT CANNONS!
FIRE AT SHILL!


/just kidding,
//this is practice.
///theres a lot of money to be had in rube dollars, and I want some.


I'm a dumb lib, can you slow it down for me? You make those comics?
 
2013-10-17 12:13:55 PM  
i13.photobucket.com
 
2013-10-17 12:14:46 PM  

Lord_Baull: [i13.photobucket.com image 320x240]


Why oh why does Ted Cruz have to look so much like Colin Mochrie?  I can't watch Whose Line now without getting angry.
 
2013-10-17 12:15:22 PM  

justtray: Heliovdrake: justtray: Heliovdrake: Ok, its posted, lets see how it does.

http://hopenchangecartoons.blogspot.com/2013/10/a-mime-is-terrible-t hi ng-to-waste.html

It's not so much the unfunniness that bothers me as it is the ignorant, righteous indignation.

LIB DETECTED, MAN THE BUTT CANNONS!
FIRE AT SHILL!


/just kidding,
//this is practice.
///theres a lot of money to be had in rube dollars, and I want some.

I'm a dumb lib, can you slow it down for me? You make those comics?


mother of god no.
 
2013-10-17 12:15:43 PM  
I thought this "isn't some damn game."
 
2013-10-17 12:20:31 PM  
Speaker Boehner was Obama's Hector Salamanca to Senator Cruz's Gus Fring.

In the end:

members.iglou.com
 
2013-10-17 12:21:25 PM  
Corporate funded Anarchists is a new thing. Let's just savor the smell for a moment.
 
2013-10-17 12:22:33 PM  

ariseatex: Lord_Baull: [i13.photobucket.com image 320x240]

Why oh why does Ted Cruz have to look so much like Colin Mochrie?  I can't watch Whose Line now without getting angry.


All Canadians look like that.
 
2013-10-17 12:23:11 PM  

ariseatex: Lord_Baull: [i13.photobucket.com image 320x240]

Why oh why does Ted Cruz have to look so much like Colin Mochrie?  I can't watch Whose Line now without getting angry.


I have always believed Senator Cruz to resemble a drag queen who is lost a wig.
 
2013-10-17 12:24:51 PM  

Dimensio: ariseatex: Lord_Baull: [i13.photobucket.com image 320x240]

Why oh why does Ted Cruz have to look so much like Colin Mochrie?  I can't watch Whose Line now without getting angry.

I have always believed Senator Cruz to resemble a drag queen who is lost a at wig.


ftfy
 
2013-10-17 12:25:35 PM  

BitwiseShift: Corporate funded Anarchists is a new thing. Let's just savor the smell for a moment.


napalm in the morning?
 
2013-10-17 12:26:45 PM  

t3knomanser: Corn_Fed: Just curious...while I realize a third party has no chance of winning the presidency, what would prevent a third party from gaining a bunch of seats in the House of Representatives? And slowly building a coalition?

Mostly barriers to getting on the ballot. Neither the Republicans nor the Democrats are completely stupid. They have a good thing going, and from the local level on up, they make it extremely hard for third parties to get on the ballot.

There are "safe districts".For example, when electing a Congressman, I know my vote doesn't count. I live in Pittsburgh- we're sending the Democrat. Ditto on the President. Heck, even for Mayor- since I'm not a registered Democrat, I don't get to vote for mayor (the mayor is decided by the Democratic primary, not the general election).

There's spite voting- many voters don't vote for a candidate because they particularly love that candidate- they just hate the other guy. So if I really hate Republicans, I'm going to vote for the Democrats and not a third party. That's because the Democrats have the best chance of beating the people I don't like. Look at how many people complained about Nader splitting the vote in 2000 (and Perot in 1992).

The median voter theorem has a role to play in this, too. People will usually vote for whichever candidate is closest to their own feelings- which simply means that someone has to find the median voter's stance on the issues and build a platform there. If a third party candidate starts the process there, you had better believe that one of the major party candidates will move in and steal it from him (in fact, one of the major purposes of third parties is to act as a "colonial organism" for politics- they move into new areas of the political landscape and then get displaced by the major parties).

This is all fueled by first-past-the-post voting. It's a system naturally geared towards building a two party system. The parties will shift, fragment and reform, but in the end, it ...


Hey, that was genuinely enlightening and informative. Thanks, I learned something useful. But...how dare anyone post something informative on Fark!!
 
2013-10-17 12:27:24 PM  
COMALite J: I didn't know that Texas had already gone through with their plans to split into six States (I thought it was five?), and isn't it a bit confusing for them all to keep the same name? Not to mention East and West Tennessee, and North and South Georgia plus Greater Atlanta as a third Georgia State? And I guess the (318) Area Code of Louisiana is a separate State now in reality just as it has always pretty much been culturally? And is Maricopa County its own State now?

I may be mistaken (and I don't think anyone else has addressed this), but I believe he has listed each state once per Representative that was on the wrong (e.g. 'Tea Party') side of this.  Thus, for example, if Texas had six TP Reps trying to push the country off the cliff, Texas got listed six times.

If so, that was a confusing way to put that list together, but that's the best guess I can make about it.
 
2013-10-17 12:27:51 PM  

urbangirl: Ambivalence: Heliovdrake: Conservatism cant fail you, only YOU can fail conservaism, and thats what we saw last night. We need to distance ourselves from the RINO SCUM who voted with the socialist democrats, Rush and Glenn already get it, they know the majority of the G.odless O.ld  P.retenders.  Now is the time, rally our troops and kick out the GOP in 2014! Patch up as many holes as we can in the USS USA by blocking anything the dictator in chief wants until 2016 when we can get our MAN into office, I feel bad for the mess he'll have to deal with, and Im sure the smell will never come out of the carpet in the oval office!

/What do you think? I'm trying to pander better to the GOP, I want to start a blog and sell merch on it to the rubes, this is my first real go at pandering to them. Do I have enough vitrol, or should I crank up the hate, or subtle racism?

I think you should pepper it with obscure homo-erotic euphemisms. Oh, and rape references. That's pretty much all you're missing.

As a woman, I'd like to suggest some reference to abortion/baby killing.


Needs more Jeezus... Also, ALL CAPS for words like "SOCIALIST," DICTATOR," "rally OUR troops," etc, & more exclamation points. Have to over-emphasize the nuttery, otherwise they'll see that you're not truly "ONE OF US!!!"
 
2013-10-17 12:32:26 PM  

MustangFive: urbangirl: Ambivalence: Heliovdrake: Conservatism cant fail you, only YOU can fail conservaism, and thats what we saw last night. We need to distance ourselves from the RINO SCUM who voted with the socialist democrats, Rush and Glenn already get it, they know the majority of the G.odless O.ld  P.retenders.  Now is the time, rally our troops and kick out the GOP in 2014! Patch up as many holes as we can in the USS USA by blocking anything the dictator in chief wants until 2016 when we can get our MAN into office, I feel bad for the mess he'll have to deal with, and Im sure the smell will never come out of the carpet in the oval office!

/What do you think? I'm trying to pander better to the GOP, I want to start a blog and sell merch on it to the rubes, this is my first real go at pandering to them. Do I have enough vitrol, or should I crank up the hate, or subtle racism?

I think you should pepper it with obscure homo-erotic euphemisms. Oh, and rape references. That's pretty much all you're missing.

As a woman, I'd like to suggest some reference to abortion/baby killing.

Needs more Jeezus... Also, ALL CAPS for words like "SOCIALIST," DICTATOR," "rally OUR troops," etc, & more exclamation points. Have to over-emphasize the nuttery, otherwise they'll see that you're not truly "ONE OF US!!!"


I would suggest one minor alteration: capitalize "OUR" in "our MAN". The emphasis should not be on the gender of the occupant -- or, at least, not solely upon the gender -- but upon the fact that the occupant is "ours", and thus not "theirs".

Additionally, a reference to the "Mainstream MSM Media" may be helpful.
 
2013-10-17 12:32:31 PM  

t3knomanser: Corn_Fed: Just curious...while I realize a third party has no chance of winning the presidency, what would prevent a third party from gaining a bunch of seats in the House of Representatives? And slowly building a coalition?

Mostly barriers to getting on the ballot. Neither the Republicans nor the Democrats are completely stupid. They have a good thing going, and from the local level on up, they make it extremely hard for third parties to get on the ballot.

There are "safe districts".For example, when electing a Congressman, I know my vote doesn't count. I live in Pittsburgh- we're sending the Democrat. Ditto on the President. Heck, even for Mayor- since I'm not a registered Democrat, I don't get to vote for mayor (the mayor is decided by the Democratic primary, not the general election).

There's spite voting- many voters don't vote for a candidate because they particularly love that candidate- they just hate the other guy. So if I really hate Republicans, I'm going to vote for the Democrats and not a third party. That's because the Democrats have the best chance of beating the people I don't like. Look at how many people complained about Nader splitting the vote in 2000 (and Perot in 1992).

The median voter theorem has a role to play in this, too. People will usually vote for whichever candidate is closest to their own feelings- which simply means that someone has to find the median voter's stance on the issues and build a platform there. If a third party candidate starts the process there, you had better believe that one of the major party candidates will move in and steal it from him (in fact, one of the major purposes of third parties is to act as a "colonial organism" for politics- they move into new areas of the political landscape and then get displaced by the major parties).

This is all fueled by first-past-the-post voting. It's a system naturally geared towards building a two party system. The parties will shift, fragment and reform, but in the end, it ...


Call this a pipe dream but I kind of hope we're headed to a post-partisan environment, where the politician's brand comes before the party's brand. Yes there will still be parties, but people will care more about the candidate than the letter next to their name.

I'd even argue that the current President kicked this off with his very smart, very ubiquitous branding during his two presidential runs. Think about how the right doesn't just demonize Democrats, but they hone in on Obama intensely and specifically. They spoof his "O" logo and everything. I think some lessons will be learned from that, especially if Republicans want to disassociate crazy from their party brand.
 
2013-10-17 12:36:58 PM  
Pretty sure in many ways the GOP lost.  I think we all lost in general.  I do think the the 85% of the Senate as a whole won; they showed they could still deliberate actually get things done (the 15% being those who voted against it).

The President won, if only because the "glitches" in ACA did't get highlighted, but mostly because he was playing 3d Chess while Ted Cruz and co. were playing checkers.

The biggest winner, IMHO: Hillary Clinton.

Here's why:

The republicans (and more specifically the teabaggers) consisntantly have vilified the president as being too far left.  These accusations have increased in his 2nd term.  At the same time they are saying this they are moving the GOP to the right.  So there is a a perceived middle (not that BO is far to the left).  At the same time, Hillary has been out of this fight, and the Clinton name still is associated with the centrist and successful 90's.  This means that Hillary can get the nomination and come in to the right (toward the center) of the Obama administration.  Meanwhile, the Republicans are showing a consistent right turn, which leaves Hillary with:

1) The "left"
2) The center-left and a large proportion of the center-right

Now imagine if she chooses an Hispanic running mate, someone similarly center-left.  Does this person energize the minority (and more specifically the Hispanic) vote, solidifying the block?
 
2013-10-17 12:42:08 PM  

Cletus C.: Mentat: Cletus C.: Obama saying he will not negotiate, then negotiates. Failure.

The only thing Obama gave up in this fight was the back of his hand.

And written on the back of that hand was language on checking income eligibility for ACA applicants, a few spending measures for certain districts, a promise for bipartisan budget negotiations and a few more things. Not much. But he did negotiate.


Obama was so against checking income eligibility for ACA applicants that similar measures were already part of the bill. He gave up nothing here. The change was just theater by the GOP to convince the rubes that Obama gave up something. Looks like it worked on some.

Obama and congressional Democrats has been calling for budget negotiations for months. How is Obama and the democrats getting exactly what they have been calling for a concession?
 
2013-10-17 12:42:12 PM  

Corn_Fed: My scary prediction:


1.  In January, "moderate" Republicans will block the Tea Party from trying this stunt again.


2.  In outrage, the Tea Party will eventually split from the Republican Party.  While that seems like a good thing, it's actually not...


3.  That will create three viable parties, with the Republican Party in the middle, to occupy the "centrist" label. Longterm, it will shift all mainstream political discourse further to the right, putting Democrats on equal "extremist" footing with the Tea Party. To be considered centrist, one would have to be Republican.


Not quite.  If the GOP fractured, it divides their voting base, while the democratic base remains whole.  That would, in effect, ensure they never again hold national office.
 
2013-10-17 12:43:03 PM  

RyansPrivates: but mostly because he was playing 3d Chess while Ted Cruz and co. were playing checkers.

 Calvin-Ball.
 
2013-10-17 12:52:11 PM  
What? The Republicans thwarted Obama's Shutdown. They should be revered for their tenacity and courage
 
2013-10-17 01:01:08 PM  

Cletus C.: Mentat: Cletus C.: Obama saying he will not negotiate, then negotiates. Failure.

The only thing Obama gave up in this fight was the back of his hand.

And written on the back of that hand was language on checking income eligibility for ACA applicants, a few spending measures for certain districts, a promise for bipartisan budget negotiations and a few more things. Not much. But he did negotiate.


I think it was Sen. Schumer that correctly characterized that addition as a "fig leaf" for the GOP. Can't make the poor bastards walk back home naked. That would just be cruel.
 
2013-10-17 01:04:53 PM  
I live in Charleston, SC. One of my local facebook friends posted this this morning:

------------------------

I had a few comments about my post this week, so i want to clarify of what you can do to get these buttheads out of the senate and congress. You can't exactly get them to vote themselves out of office, but what you can do is contact your state's Governor. If 75% of the US Governors call for this to be voted on, it has to be taken up and the people vote on it, not the elected officials.
On a side note, we need to make sure Lindsey Graham, John McCain, Mitch McConnel all lose their primary bids. Do not donate to the GOP, donate to the individuals running against them or to freedom works foundation.

------------------------
 
2013-10-17 01:05:05 PM  

Fentanyl Bomb: Cletus C.: Mentat: Cletus C.: Obama saying he will not negotiate, then negotiates. Failure.

The only thing Obama gave up in this fight was the back of his hand.

And written on the back of that hand was language on checking income eligibility for ACA applicants, a few spending measures for certain districts, a promise for bipartisan budget negotiations and a few more things. Not much. But he did negotiate.

I think it was Sen. Schumer that correctly characterized that addition as a "fig leaf" for the GOP. Can't make the poor bastards walk back home naked. That would just be cruel.


It's a pretty dumb thing to call a concession. I mean, ObamaCare already nominally requires HHS to confirm whether people are under-reporting their income to get a bigger tax credit, and the IRS will do the same when people file their taxes. Really, all this clause does is make Sebelius write a report saying "yes, we're ensuring people don't under-report income." It's a homework assignment.
 
2013-10-17 01:07:56 PM  

bdub77: Elegy: If by "most" you mean "about half."

But please, don't let my facts get in the way of you grinding away at that axe.

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2013/10/32-republicans-w ho -caused-the-government-shutdown/280236/

Tennessee


The derp is strong there.


Like Virginia our state was divided during the war and never had to go through Reconstruction because the President (Johnson) was a Tennessean. After the war Governor Brown was..less than gentle with the rebels.

/Blackburn and Dejarlis belong to the derpiest parts of a very divided state
 
2013-10-17 01:07:58 PM  

SpectroBoy: [www.blastr.com image 850x485]
Begin, the 'tard wars have


ty
that made my day
 
2013-10-17 01:08:20 PM  

Fentanyl Bomb: I think it was Sen. Schumer that correctly characterized that addition as a "fig leaf" for the GOP. Can't make the poor bastards walk back home naked. That would just be cruel.


We made the Germans walk home naked after WWI. Didn't turn out too well, IIRC.


/stretchin' for it
 
2013-10-17 01:08:54 PM  

Thrag: Obama and congressional Democrats has been calling for budget negotiations for months. How is Obama and the democrats getting exactly what they have been calling for a concession?


Was the discretionary spending in the proposed (prior) clean CR's at the GOP suggested level, or is it not?
 
2013-10-17 01:09:23 PM  
www.akawilliam.com
 
2013-10-17 01:13:57 PM  
U Mad?

imageshack.us
 
2013-10-17 01:14:49 PM  

bdub77: Elegy: If by "most" you mean "about half."

But please, don't let my facts get in the way of you grinding away at that axe.

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2013/10/32-republicans-w ho -caused-the-government-shutdown/280236/

Michigan
Minnesota
Tennessee
Alabama
Georgia
Texas
Texas
Florida
Tennessee
South Carolina
Louisiana
New Jersey
Georgia
Texas
Georgia
Missouri
Kansas
Ohio
Iowa
Idaho
Kentucky
California
North Carolina
Texas
Arizona
South Carolina
Louisiana
Arizona
Texas
Indiana
Texas
Florida

You can arguably exclude Idaho (not a state) and Kansas, which was barely a state in 1861 and was in many ways a proxy war state between the two sides. Arizona was under confederate control. That leaves 7 of the 30 remaining Tea Party crazies who weren't from secessionist states.

The derp is strong there.


Ah, Scott DesJarlais in on that list. That scumbag defeated a pro-life, conservative Democrat, Lincoln Davis,  who was deemed to be 'too liberal'. Turns out DesJarlais is a serial cheater and pressured a couple women to get abortions, despite being 'pro-life'.

I don't have an axe to grind with that issue in particular, but the Tea Party will support any hypocritical shiatheel as long as they don't have a (D) behind their name. Bunch of useful idiots, every last one.
 
2013-10-17 01:20:05 PM  

fenianfark: bdub77: Elegy: If by "most" you mean "about half."

But please, don't let my facts get in the way of you grinding away at that axe.

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2013/10/32-republicans-w ho -caused-the-government-shutdown/280236/

Tennessee

Ah, Scott DesJarlais in on that list. That scumbag defeated a pro-life, conservative Democrat, Lincoln Davis,  who was deemed to be 'too liberal'. Turns out DesJarlais is a serial cheater and pressured a couple women to get abortions, despite being 'pro-life'.

I don't have an axe to grind with that issue in particular, but the Tea Party will support any hypocritical shiatheel as long as they don't have a (D) behind their name. Bunch of useful idiots, every last one.


The Tea Party out his way is not really welcome in the state house as much as they like to think. They tried to get the Haslam, a republican governor, to fire a female Muslim Deputy Sec of the Treasury fired for allegedly being part of a plot to introduce Sharia law.

Haslam was somewhat terse in his response to STFU and leave the governing to the adults
 
2013-10-17 01:21:01 PM  

Leader O'Cola: Thrag: Obama and congressional Democrats has been calling for budget negotiations for months. How is Obama and the democrats getting exactly what they have been calling for a concession?

Was the discretionary spending in the proposed (prior) clean CR's at the GOP suggested level, or is it not?


Yes, the clean CR that Obama supported before the shutdown occurred was at the spending levels the GOP claimed at the time to have wanted. What argument are you trying to make with this question? Are you trying to say that agreeing to something that was already agreed to is a concession?
 
2013-10-17 01:30:35 PM  

Fentanyl Bomb: Cletus C.: Mentat: Cletus C.: Obama saying he will not negotiate, then negotiates. Failure.

The only thing Obama gave up in this fight was the back of his hand.

And written on the back of that hand was language on checking income eligibility for ACA applicants, a few spending measures for certain districts, a promise for bipartisan budget negotiations and a few more things. Not much. But he did negotiate.

I think it was Sen. Schumer that correctly characterized that addition as a "fig leaf" for the GOP. Can't make the poor bastards walk back home naked. That would just be cruel.


That's a good description of it.

It is fun watching people try to spin strengthening a part of the ACA and the GOP finally agreeing to negotiations it has been saying no to for months as concessions by the democrats. Next up we should see people claiming the bits of spending added to the bill for things like disaster relief were concessions victoriously pulled from the democrats. I really want to see how people try spin more government spending as a concession from the democrats as the GOP tries to claim the shutdown was over too much spending.
 
2013-10-17 01:39:39 PM  

Thrag: Cletus C.: Mentat: Cletus C.: Obama saying he will not negotiate, then negotiates. Failure.

The only thing Obama gave up in this fight was the back of his hand.

And written on the back of that hand was language on checking income eligibility for ACA applicants, a few spending measures for certain districts, a promise for bipartisan budget negotiations and a few more things. Not much. But he did negotiate.

Obama was so against checking income eligibility for ACA applicants that similar measures were already part of the bill. He gave up nothing here. The change was just theater by the GOP to convince the rubes that Obama gave up something. Looks like it worked on some.

Obama and congressional Democrats has been calling for budget negotiations for months. How is Obama and the democrats getting exactly what they have been calling for a concession?


He negotiated but gave up very little. But he negotiated, as hard as that seems to be to accept.
 
2013-10-17 01:41:52 PM  

verbaltoxin: Elegy: bdub77: Let's be perfectly clear though. Of the 30 or so Tea Party asshats who started this mess, most of them are from the good ol' confederacy. Let's not forget that.

You know when the Union won 150 years ago, the Confederates went back home and said "We fought the good fight" and all they had to show for it was a bunch of dead people and a destroyed economy.

If by "most" you mean "about half."

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But please, don't let my facts get in the way of you grinding away at that axe.

More like, "Don't let my bitterness ruin your good time." And we won't. But thanks for your input.


think it's more of a 'we're not all crazy down and we're trying to outvote the ones who are. How's about don't set us on fire again just yet?'
 
2013-10-17 01:50:37 PM  

MustangFive: urbangirl: Ambivalence: Heliovdrake: Conservatism cant fail you, only YOU can fail conservaism, and thats what we saw last night. We need to distance ourselves from the RINO SCUM who voted with the socialist democrats, Rush and Glenn already get it, they know the majority of the G.odless O.ld  P.retenders.  Now is the time, rally our troops and kick out the GOP in 2014! Patch up as many holes as we can in the USS USA by blocking anything the dictator in chief wants until 2016 when we can get our MAN into office, I feel bad for the mess he'll have to deal with, and Im sure the smell will never come out of the carpet in the oval office!

/What do you think? I'm trying to pander better to the GOP, I want to start a blog and sell merch on it to the rubes, this is my first real go at pandering to them. Do I have enough vitrol, or should I crank up the hate, or subtle racism?

I think you should pepper it with obscure homo-erotic euphemisms. Oh, and rape references. That's pretty much all you're missing.

As a woman, I'd like to suggest some reference to abortion/baby killing.

Needs more Jeezus... Also, ALL CAPS for words like "SOCIALIST," DICTATOR," "rally OUR troops," etc, & more exclamation points. Have to over-emphasize the nuttery, otherwise they'll see that you're not truly "ONE OF US!!!"


This is an actual reply to the comment Heliovdrake posted. Straight copy and paste:

"wow, great stuff! Too many Americans are TOTALLY unaware or don't care about the danger this country faces right now...and it's not from FOREIGN ENEMIES! God help us!"

So... yeah. I think he's speaking fluent derp at this point.
 
2013-10-17 02:01:09 PM  

sobriquet by any other name: Mr. Coffee Nerves: $24,000,000,000 for Boehner to learn what we already knew -- negotiation with the teahadists is like going fishing with a guy who uses dynamite, and to save time he lights all the fuses before you launch the boat

+1 i made the same comment yesterday (like fishing with a guy who uses dynamite, but throws it under the boat... but look at all the fish, Boehner!)


That's a better analogy than mine.
Dynamite for everyone!
 
2013-10-17 02:02:37 PM  

Nadie_AZ: TheShavingofOccam123: All five Arizona Republican House members voted No.

I'm sure they'll all be re-elected.

I really need to relocate to Tucson.


There are only four Republican Representatives in Arizona's congressional delegation.
The other five are Democrats.
 
2013-10-17 02:25:58 PM  
I still don't understand why anybody listens to people who get paid to work for the government yapping about how the government is worthless and too big.

I wouldn't hire somebody for a job who told me the position was pointless and should be eliminated.

But then, I'm using reason and logic, something most Republican voters are completely unfamiliar with.
 
2013-10-17 02:47:20 PM  

Nicholas D. Wolfwood: COMALite J: I didn't know that Texas had already gone through with their plans to split into six States (I thought it was five?), and isn't it a bit confusing for them all to keep the same name? Not to mention East and West Tennessee, and North and South Georgia plus Greater Atlanta as a third Georgia State? And I guess the (318) Area Code of Louisiana is a separate State now in reality just as it has always pretty much been culturally? And is Maricopa County its own State now?

I may be mistaken (and I don't think anyone else has addressed this), but I believe he has listed each state once per Representative that was on the wrong (e.g. 'Tea Party') side of this.  Thus, for example, if Texas had six TP Reps trying to push the country off the cliff, Texas got listed six times.

If so, that was a confusing way to put that list together, but that's the best guess I can make about it.


You're correct, the map shows House districts.
 
2013-10-17 02:54:30 PM  

Smelly Pirate Hooker: I still don't understand why anybody listens to people who get paid to work for the government yapping about how the government is worthless and too big.

I wouldn't hire somebody for a job who told me the position was pointless and should be eliminated.

But then, I'm using reason and logic, something most Republican voters are completely unfamiliar with.


Makes me think of making Bolton the Ambassador to the UN.  Isn't the head of GOP science committee a creationist?
 
2013-10-17 03:15:35 PM  

mrshowrules: Smelly Pirate Hooker: I still don't understand why anybody listens to people who get paid to work for the government yapping about how the government is worthless and too big.

I wouldn't hire somebody for a job who told me the position was pointless and should be eliminated.

But then, I'm using reason and logic, something most Republican voters are completely unfamiliar with.

Makes me think of making Bolton the Ambassador to the UN.  Isn't the head of GOP science committee a creationist?


Yup, just like the head of the Budget Committee is a Randroid.
 
2013-10-17 03:16:51 PM  

Headso: Cletus C.: Mentat: Cletus C.: Obama saying he will not negotiate, then negotiates. Failure.

The only thing Obama gave up in this fight was the back of his hand.

And written on the back of that hand was language on checking income eligibility for ACA applicants, a few spending measures for certain districts, a promise for bipartisan budget negotiations and a few more things. Not much. But he did negotiate.

hey, he had to cave in and capitulate a little bit or he couldn't call himself a true democrat, you think they can spend years building up a brand of spinelessness and then throw it all away?


Wait you seriously think a "capitulation" for a Dem is  spending money?

Are you freaking kidding?
 
2013-10-17 03:20:59 PM  

mrshowrules: Isn't the head of GOP science committee a creationist?


Worse. Lamar Smith is a Christian Scientist. They're one of the groups that occasionally runs into problems with the law for praying instead of getting actual medical care for their children. They believe that spiritual reality is the only reality, and that the material world - including sickness, death and evil - are illusions, or mistakes of mortal mind.

They're about as anti-science as you can possibly be.
 
2013-10-17 03:27:48 PM  

incendi: mrshowrules: Isn't the head of GOP science committee a creationist?

Worse. Lamar Smith is a Christian Scientist. They're one of the groups that occasionally runs into problems with the law for praying instead of getting actual medical care for their children. They believe that spiritual reality is the only reality, and that the material world - including sickness, death and evil - are illusions, or mistakes of mortal mind.

They're about as anti-science as you can possibly be.


It could be worse, they could have put him in the Health committee (I hope I'm not giving anyone ideas).
 
2013-10-17 03:32:09 PM  
(from Borowitz)  Sen. Cruz's closest ally, Sen. Mike Lee (R-Utah) also spoke reverently of the shutdown, calling it "the most expensive Civil War reënactment in history."
"Unfortunately, once again, the wrong side won," he said
 
2013-10-17 03:51:32 PM  

mjjt: (from Borowitz)  Sen. Cruz's closest ally, Sen. Mike Lee (R-Utah) also spoke reverently of the shutdown, calling it "the most expensive Civil War reënactment in history."
"Unfortunately, once again, the wrong side won," he said


He actually said that shiat.  I thought you were kidding, but he actually farking said that.
 
2013-10-17 04:53:50 PM  

somedude210: Weaver95: I think the first hurdle the GOP faces is admitting that they lost in the shutdown fight in the first place. I've seen plenty of republicans who are convinced that the shutdown was a win for their party.

There have also been some GOPers admitting they lost.

I'd be more impressed if they admit they lost and accept that this isn't the way to go


MSNBC This morning, some tea party guy was talking about how this was a poor strategy, how the GOP screwed the pooch by fighting a battle they couldn't win and negotiating with no leverage.

Then gainsaid the other talking heads who were saying that polling for Obamacare became more positive, undercutting the strategy completely.

Apparently the fights not over, Americans still hate Obamacare, and the TEA party still fervently believes that it is their duty to defund it by any means necessary.

The complaint is that this didn't work this time, not that it shouldn't have been done.
 
2013-10-17 05:07:42 PM  
Can we just call a duck a duck and have the Tea Party officially declared as a domestic terrorist organization?

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/declare-tea-party-terroris t- organization/StzZGtNG
 
2013-10-17 05:11:53 PM  

Cletus C.: Thrag: Cletus C.: Mentat: Cletus C.: Obama saying he will not negotiate, then negotiates. Failure.

The only thing Obama gave up in this fight was the back of his hand.

And written on the back of that hand was language on checking income eligibility for ACA applicants, a few spending measures for certain districts, a promise for bipartisan budget negotiations and a few more things. Not much. But he did negotiate.

Obama was so against checking income eligibility for ACA applicants that similar measures were already part of the bill. He gave up nothing here. The change was just theater by the GOP to convince the rubes that Obama gave up something. Looks like it worked on some.

Obama and congressional Democrats has been calling for budget negotiations for months. How is Obama and the democrats getting exactly what they have been calling for a concession?

He negotiated but gave up very little. But he negotiated, as hard as that seems to be to accept.


Actually, the House and Senate negotiated. Obama signed a bill.
 
2013-10-17 06:27:35 PM  
All these people whom I have favorited in RED 3 have PROVEN time and time again that they're GOP trolls and pro teabag party... That's why I mark them RED in the first place... Well, all of them have suddenly turned progressive and anti- teabag. I have all these regular assholes in red making weird comments now about how the Tea Party ruined us, how Fartbongo is the greatest, etc.. As if they've been saying these things all along. BULLshiat!!!! Cletus C. is an absolute moron and obstructionist and TROLL for the right, for example... We all know he is... Yet look at his hypocritical posts today..... I bet his greasy grandpappy tried assimilating with the Allied Forces when they liberated Nuremberg.
 
2013-10-17 06:49:37 PM  

bwilson27: All these people whom I have favorited in RED 3 have PROVEN time and time again that they're GOP trolls and pro teabag party... That's why I mark them RED in the first place... Well, all of them have suddenly turned progressive and anti- teabag. I have all these regular assholes in red making weird comments now about how the Tea Party ruined us, how Fartbongo is the greatest, etc.. As if they've been saying these things all along. BULLshiat!!!! Cletus C. is an absolute moron and obstructionist and TROLL for the right, for example... We all know he is... Yet look at his hypocritical posts today..... I bet his greasy grandpappy tried assimilating with the Allied Forces when they liberated Nuremberg.


Interesting. He's been a grey non-person to me for so long.

/have fun being banned for truth-telling!
 
2013-10-17 06:52:39 PM  

bwilson27: All these people whom I have favorited in RED 3 have PROVEN time and time again that they're GOP trolls and pro teabag party... That's why I mark them RED in the first place... Well, all of them have suddenly turned progressive and anti- teabag. I have all these regular assholes in red making weird comments now about how the Tea Party ruined us, how Fartbongo is the greatest, etc.. As if they've been saying these things all along. BULLshiat!!!! Cletus C. is an absolute moron and obstructionist and TROLL for the right, for example... We all know he is... Yet look at his hypocritical posts today..... I bet his greasy grandpappy tried assimilating with the Allied Forces when they liberated Nuremberg.


Some day I hope you will judge me by the content of my comments and not the color of my favoriting.
 
2013-10-17 07:02:53 PM  

Evil High Priest: bwilson27: All these people whom I have favorited in RED 3 have PROVEN time and time again that they're GOP trolls and pro teabag party... That's why I mark them RED in the first place... Well, all of them have suddenly turned progressive and anti- teabag. I have all these regular assholes in red making weird comments now about how the Tea Party ruined us, how Fartbongo is the greatest, etc.. As if they've been saying these things all along. BULLshiat!!!! Cletus C. is an absolute moron and obstructionist and TROLL for the right, for example... We all know he is... Yet look at his hypocritical posts today..... I bet his greasy grandpappy tried assimilating with the Allied Forces when they liberated Nuremberg.

Interesting. He's been a grey non-person to me for so long.

/have fun being banned for truth-telling!


No biggie, I get banned most every day.
 
2013-10-17 07:04:23 PM  

Cletus C.: bwilson27: All these people whom I have favorited in RED 3 have PROVEN time and time again that they're GOP trolls and pro teabag party... That's why I mark them RED in the first place... Well, all of them have suddenly turned progressive and anti- teabag. I have all these regular assholes in red making weird comments now about how the Tea Party ruined us, how Fartbongo is the greatest, etc.. As if they've been saying these things all along. BULLshiat!!!! Cletus C. is an absolute moron and obstructionist and TROLL for the right, for example... We all know he is... Yet look at his hypocritical posts today..... I bet his greasy grandpappy tried assimilating with the Allied Forces when they liberated Nuremberg.

Some day I hope you will judge me by the content of my comments and not the color of my favoriting.


But Cletus, I DO judge you by your comments... Which is why you're red. You're a Right-Wing Troll. Everything you've ever posted prior to today proves that fact. Deny all you want, the facts are the same.
 
2013-10-17 07:14:28 PM  

bwilson27: Cletus C.: bwilson27: All these people whom I have favorited in RED 3 have PROVEN time and time again that they're GOP trolls and pro teabag party... That's why I mark them RED in the first place... Well, all of them have suddenly turned progressive and anti- teabag. I have all these regular assholes in red making weird comments now about how the Tea Party ruined us, how Fartbongo is the greatest, etc.. As if they've been saying these things all along. BULLshiat!!!! Cletus C. is an absolute moron and obstructionist and TROLL for the right, for example... We all know he is... Yet look at his hypocritical posts today..... I bet his greasy grandpappy tried assimilating with the Allied Forces when they liberated Nuremberg.

Some day I hope you will judge me by the content of my comments and not the color of my favoriting.

But Cletus, I DO judge you by your comments... Which is why you're red. You're a Right-Wing Troll. Everything you've ever posted prior to today proves that fact. Deny all you want, the facts are the same.


Oh goodie, an opportunity to prove to you that I am no such thing. I would love to see all guns banned. I love the geys. There. Now that we're buddies you can switch me to Far Out Fuchsia and my life will be complete.
 
2013-10-17 07:18:22 PM  

Cletus C.: bwilson27: Cletus C.: bwilson27: All these people whom I have favorited in RED 3 have PROVEN time and time again that they're GOP trolls and pro teabag party... That's why I mark them RED in the first place... Well, all of them have suddenly turned progressive and anti- teabag. I have all these regular assholes in red making weird comments now about how the Tea Party ruined us, how Fartbongo is the greatest, etc.. As if they've been saying these things all along. BULLshiat!!!! Cletus C. is an absolute moron and obstructionist and TROLL for the right, for example... We all know he is... Yet look at his hypocritical posts today..... I bet his greasy grandpappy tried assimilating with the Allied Forces when they liberated Nuremberg.

Some day I hope you will judge me by the content of my comments and not the color of my favoriting.

But Cletus, I DO judge you by your comments... Which is why you're red. You're a Right-Wing Troll. Everything you've ever posted prior to today proves that fact. Deny all you want, the facts are the same.

Oh goodie, an opportunity to prove to you that I am no such thing. I would love to see all guns banned. I love the geys. There. Now that we're buddies you can switch me to Far Out Fuchsia and my life will be complete.


Same thing your grand pappy said when they confronted him, huh?
 
2013-10-17 07:38:53 PM  

James!: mjjt: (from Borowitz)  Sen. Cruz's closest ally, Sen. Mike Lee (R-Utah) also spoke reverently of the shutdown, calling it "the most expensive Civil War reënactment in history."
"Unfortunately, once again, the wrong side won," he said

He actually said that shiat.  I thought you were kidding, but he actually farking said that.


Ah, was it reported anywhere else? (Borowitz is a satirical blog)

http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/borowitzreport/2013/10/obama-d ec lares-national-day-of-gloating.html

http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/borowitzreport/2013/10/cruz-th e- dream-of-keeping-poor-people-from-seeing-a-doctor-must-never-die.html
 
2013-10-17 10:13:07 PM  

Heliovdrake: Ok, its posted, lets see how it does.

http://hopenchangecartoons.blogspot.com/2013/10/a-mime-is-terrible-t hi ng-to-waste.html



They loved it!
 
2013-10-18 01:44:41 AM  

Cletus C.: He negotiated but gave up very little. But he negotiated, as hard as that seems to be to accept.


Of course he negotiated.  He negotiated from a position of such strength that he willingly gave up a few tokens so that the other side didn't look like complete losers.  And they say Obama isn't an American.
 
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