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2013-10-17 11:26:56 AM

ShadowKamui: somedude210: Weaver95: I guess we wait and see. I wonder if they'll conclude they weren't conservative enough and should move more to the right?

how do you go further right than "actively trying to disassemble the government"?

Hugo Boss uniforms


Then it's just one small step to Gaultier... See, politics is a cirlce
 
2013-10-17 11:27:33 AM

Corn_Fed: My scary prediction:


1.  In January, "moderate" Republicans will block the Tea Party from trying this stunt again.


2.  In outrage, the Tea Party will eventually split from the Republican Party.  While that seems like a good thing, it's actually not...


3.  That will create three viable parties, with the Republican Party in the middle, to occupy the "centrist" label. Longterm, it will shift all mainstream political discourse further to the right, putting Democrats on equal "extremist" footing with the Tea Party. To be considered centrist, one would have to be Republican.


Except the Democrat party has already started taking the moderate area that the Republicans have ceded in their courting of the crazies on their side.
 
2013-10-17 11:27:34 AM

Corn_Fed: My scary prediction:


1.  In January, "moderate" Republicans will block the Tea Party from trying this stunt again.


2.  In outrage, the Tea Party will eventually split from the Republican Party.  While that seems like a good thing, it's actually not...


3.  That will create three viable parties, with the Republican Party in the middle, to occupy the "centrist" label. Longterm, it will shift all mainstream political discourse further to the right, putting Democrats on equal "extremist" footing with the Tea Party. To be considered centrist, one would have to be Republican.


Possible.  The Tea Party could just get dismissed as crazy, ending their pull on the Overton window. Democrats and Republicans could then openly work together to pass legislation.

Also, Democrats would have a lock on the White House for the foreseeable future, because the Tea Party would always be able to pick off a few southern and western states.
 
2013-10-17 11:28:09 AM

Corn_Fed: In the short-term, yes. I worry how such a scenario would play out over the long-term. After 10 years, I suspect that more would drift to the seeming "middle" choice, marginalizing both Democrats and the Tea Party.


No. In the long term, the weaker of the third parties will collapse and be absorbed and we're right back to a two party system.

The way the American political system works, it can't sustain more than two major parties at a time.
 
2013-10-17 11:28:48 AM

nmrsnr: GOP: "This is wrong, we shouldn't be doing this, and I will stop you!"
America: "We don't like everything that's going on, now you have our attention, what should we be doing?"
GOP: "Uh, not this!"
America: "Right. Got that part, but right now you're making it worse. What should we be doing?"
GOP: "Obama bad!"
America: "Yeah, we're done with you now."

The problem is that they, themselves, don't know what they stand for anymore. This won't spell the end of Republicans as some say (they'll retain the name) but I'd be surprised if the party platform doesn't change dramatically in the next decade.


I think they compare themselves to the US military in WWII. They didn't need to know what they stood for, just that Hitler was bad and needed to be defeated.

Of course that reading of history is completely false, and the FDR administration knew early on that rebuilding Europe and Japan was going to be a complex job. But the modern GOP acts domestically like Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld did with Iraq: They'll greet us as liberators because freedom!

Look at how Cruz was claiming that 'millions of people are rising up' in the US as justification for his expensive asshattery. Obama = Hitler, so freedom and then unicorns for everyone!
 
2013-10-17 11:29:24 AM

HeadLever: Corn_Fed: To be considered centrist, one would have to be Republican.

If they expelled the derp brigade, why would that be such a bad thing?  Or does something about having a R next to your name make you intrinsically evil?


Because it wouldn't be today's version of "centrist." It would be a more rightward version of "centrist," in which the whole political dynamic had shifted rightward. "Centrist" would mean cuts to social programs, and increases to military spending. And to suggest otherwise would equate to being a fringey extremist.
 
2013-10-17 11:30:31 AM
Random email from one of my freeper coworkers this morning:

With the latest Obama victory over the Constitution and over the surviving remnants of America in the debt limit/Obamacare battle, it's a good time to recall the political make-up of Post-America:

**The Democrats are the evil party.  They believe in Nothingness (degeneration, destruction, deconstruction, the Abyss).
**The Republicans are the stupid party.  They believe in nothing.
**The media demonize the Republicans and worship the Democrats.  Even though the Republicans don't actually do much to fight the Democrats, the Democrats still need a "Goldstein" type enemy to whip their (ahem) "low information" voters into a frenzy of hate every so often, and hapless Republicans like Mitt Romney, John McCain, and John Boehner serve this purpose.
**Anyone who actually attempts to fight the Democrats, and to represent working and middle class Americans, will be demonized, trashed, and pounced upon by the Democrats, the Republican establishment, and the media.  See Ted Cruz and the Tea Party for details.
 
2013-10-17 11:30:32 AM

Skleenar: Ricardo Klement: Weaver95: I think the first hurdle the GOP faces is admitting that they lost in the shutdown fight in the first place. I've seen plenty of republicans who are convinced that the shutdown was a win for their party.

That's not the impression I got from reading last night's posts on John Boehner's FB page.

I think you're missing the nuance of the Republican position on this.  Don't worry, a lot of you libulardos do.  See, this tragic defeat was a huge win for the GOP in that it showed them standing up against tyranny, except for the traitorous scum that run the party.  This victorious tragedy will only serve to galvanize the true conservatives against the American hating Republicans and Democrats and rally real Americans to the cause of freedom under the banner of a Republican party strongly united in the sacred necessity of tearing it apart to get at the backstabbers.


And that folks, is how the South's Lost Cause mythology was started!
 
2013-10-17 11:30:34 AM

nmrsnr: The GOP's problem right now is lack of message, people are very willing to be against things, but it turns out that "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" isn't actually true. The Democrats quickly realized this when they ran Kerry under the "anyone but Bush" strategy in 2004. They thought it would be enough to not be the disliked guy. They were wrong. People need to see what they are voting for as much as what they are voting against.


The other issue is that what the GOP is most stridently "against" is groups who, you know, actually vote: black folks, Latinos and Latinas, women, non-Christian folks, gay folks, transgendered folks, etc.

Add all those people up, and you get a giant coalition that is voting Democrat because the other major party sure seems like it wants to ruin their lives utterly and completely.
 
2013-10-17 11:30:34 AM

T-Servo: nmrsnr: GOP: "This is wrong, we shouldn't be doing this, and I will stop you!"
America: "We don't like everything that's going on, now you have our attention, what should we be doing?"
GOP: "Uh, not this!"
America: "Right. Got that part, but right now you're making it worse. What should we be doing?"
GOP: "Obama bad!"
America: "Yeah, we're done with you now."

The problem is that they, themselves, don't know what they stand for anymore. This won't spell the end of Republicans as some say (they'll retain the name) but I'd be surprised if the party platform doesn't change dramatically in the next decade.

I think they compare themselves to the US military in WWII. They didn't need to know what they stood for, just that Hitler was bad and needed to be defeated.

Of course that reading of history is completely false, and the FDR administration knew early on that rebuilding Europe and Japan was going to be a complex job. But the modern GOP acts domestically like Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld did with Iraq: They'll greet us as liberators because freedom!

Look at how Cruz was claiming that 'millions of people are rising up' in the US as justification for his expensive asshattery. Obama = Hitler, so freedom and then unicorns for everyone!


Unicorns sound pretty gay. I'm not sure how the conservative movement will receive that.

/in the ass in an airport bathroom, of course.
 
2013-10-17 11:32:07 AM

AMonkey'sUncle: Hey, that Orville Rednecker stock price was classified Pop Secret!


My wife always says that I laugh at the stupidest things.  I've never been more convinced she's right.

/I think I love you
 
2013-10-17 11:32:16 AM

Heliovdrake: Carn: Heliovdrake: Conservatism cant fail you, only YOU can fail conservaism.  We as a nation dropped the soap in the PRISON showers that is the halls of congress, by electing the RINO's thats what we saw last night. They took our nation away from us, against our will. The will of the people Said no, but the traitor RINO's said YES. We need to distance ourselves from the RINO SCUM who voted with the socialist democrats, Rush and Glenn already get it, they know the majority of the G.odless O.ld  P.retenders have  sold themselves into SLAVERY to OBAMA.   Now is the time, rally our troops and kick out the GOP in 2014! Patch up as many holes as we can in the USS USA by blocking anything the dictator in chief wants until 2016 when we can get our MAN into office, I feel bad for the mess he'll have to deal with, and Im sure the smell will never come out of the carpet in the oval office!

When the midterms come, we cant let the democrats ABORT our will like they have so many lives down the drain,  The American people deserve better then a teenage democrats prom night clean up!

This doesnt mean we can be complacent until 2014-16. Obama is trying to disarm us now, BOTH politically and physically, no adminstation on earth since or before the NAZIs have tried so hard to disarm its people before a hostile takeover, while at the SAME TIME giving money away to its most violent drug using elements, and making it so the CRIMINALS are better armed then the average soverign citizen. THis is why we have to oppose and block anything the Negatively inteligent great godless evil repugnant 0bama tries!


Did you come up with that, because that looks amazingly close to one of those FW: FW: FW: emails I've had soil my inbox.
 
2013-10-17 11:32:43 AM

ModernPrimitive01: Random email from one of my freeper coworkers this morning:

With the latest Obama victory over the Constitution and over the surviving remnants of America in the debt limit/Obamacare battle, it's a good time to recall the political make-up of Post-America:

**The Democrats are the evil party.  They believe in Nothingness (degeneration, destruction, deconstruction, the Abyss).
**The Republicans are the stupid party.  They believe in nothing.
**The media demonize the Republicans and worship the Democrats.  Even though the Republicans don't actually do much to fight the Democrats, the Democrats still need a "Goldstein" type enemy to whip their (ahem) "low information" voters into a frenzy of hate every so often, and hapless Republicans like Mitt Romney, John McCain, and John Boehner serve this purpose.
**Anyone who actually attempts to fight the Democrats, and to represent working and middle class Americans, will be demonized, trashed, and pounced upon by the Democrats, the Republican establishment, and the media.  See Ted Cruz and the Tea Party for details.


Yay! More Lost Cause mythos!
 
2013-10-17 11:33:53 AM

Heliovdrake: Im gona give my above post test run over at Hope and Change comments section later today.

http://hopenchangecartoons.blogspot.com/2013/10/a-mime-is-terrible-t hi ng-to-waste.html

Think it will fly?


That's embarrassingly bad.
 
2013-10-17 11:33:59 AM

Skleenar: You know, I think it was really abhorrent of Obama to risk the full faith and credit of this nation in a cynical ploy to attempt to undercut his domestic opposition.

I'm just throwing this out there.  Thoughts?


yeah i'm a lefty but I am concerned about this
 
2013-10-17 11:34:36 AM

bdub77: I loved Boehner yesterday "We fought the good fight." No, no you f*cking didn't. You put 800,000 people out of work for weeks.


To say nothing of costing the nation >$22 Billion. Party of fiscal responsibility my ass.
 
2013-10-17 11:35:21 AM

RexTalionis: Corn_Fed: My scary prediction:


1.  In January, "moderate" Republicans will block the Tea Party from trying this stunt again.


2.  In outrage, the Tea Party will eventually split from the Republican Party.  While that seems like a good thing, it's actually not...


3.  That will create three viable parties, with the Republican Party in the middle, to occupy the "centrist" label. Longterm, it will shift all mainstream political discourse further to the right, putting Democrats on equal "extremist" footing with the Tea Party. To be considered centrist, one would have to be Republican.

False. It will create one viable party and two smaller parties fighting over the bigger piece of 47% of the remaining voting population.


Indeed.  The US electoral system always forces us back to a two party equilibrium, with one a majority party and the other a near-majority party trying to grab the extra votes to take control.  A true third party wouldn't even come close to having enough votes to win anything on the national level, and thus will never happen so long as we have a winner take all system.  There's a reason the Tea Party runs in GOP primaries instead of as independents.
 
2013-10-17 11:36:38 AM

ModernPrimitive01: With the latest Obama victory over the Constitution and over the surviving remnants of America in the debt limit/Obamacare battle, it's a good time to recall the political make-up of Post-America:


Oh, I like that. What country do they think this is now?
 
2013-10-17 11:36:51 AM

Heliovdrake: Carn: Heliovdrake: Conservatism cant fail you, only YOU can fail conservaism.  We as a nation dropped the soap in the PRISON showers that is the halls of congress, by electing the RINO's thats what we saw last night. They took our nation away from us, against our will. The will of the people Said no, but the traitor RINO's said YES. We need to distance ourselves from the RINO SCUM who voted with the socialist democrats, Rush and Glenn already get it, they know the majority of the G.odless O.ld  P.retenders have  sold themselves into SLAVERY to OBAMA.   Now is the time, rally our troops and kick out the GOP in 2014! Patch up as many holes as we can in the USS USA by blocking anything the dictator in chief wants until 2016 when we can get our MAN into office, I feel bad for the mess he'll have to deal with, and Im sure the smell will never come out of the carpet in the oval office!

When the midterms come, we cant let the democrats ABORT our will like they have so many lives down the drain,  The American people deserve better then a teenage democrats prom night clean up!

This doesnt mean we can be complacent until 2014-16. Obama is trying to disarm us now, BOTH politically and physically, no adminstation on earth since or before the NAZIs have tried so hard to disarm its people before a hostile takeover, while at the SAME TIME giving money away to its most violent drug using elements, and making it so the CRIMINALS are better armed then the average soverign citizen. THis is why we have to oppose and block anything the Negatively inteligent great godless evil repugnant 0bama tries!


Now you're getting there.  Turn up the spittle a little more and I think you'll have it.
 
2013-10-17 11:37:34 AM

TwoBeersOneCan: mgshamster: Dog Welder: Well, at least the ants will be saved...
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I very much want to draw a cartoon of an ant on a cross next to that passage.

It had better be a four armed cross.


I was envisioning just two arms hanging out in the open.  But four would work well, too.
 
2013-10-17 11:39:34 AM

Corn_Fed: That will create three viable parties,


No it won't. While our electoral system's two-party rule has a  lot of disadvantages, one major advantage is it prevents the Tea Party from becoming a legitimate third party. Either the Tea Party needs to co-opt the Republican party, or they become a bunch of fringe goofballs. There's no middle ground.
 
2013-10-17 11:39:36 AM

Obama's Reptiloid Master: Unicorns sound pretty gay. I'm not sure how the conservative movement will receive that.

/in the ass in an airport bathroom, of course.


OK, how about "virile stallions'? I'm sure those can be found in airport washrooms. Bears, too.
 
2013-10-17 11:39:57 AM

Emposter: RexTalionis: Corn_Fed: My scary prediction:


1.  In January, "moderate" Republicans will block the Tea Party from trying this stunt again.


2.  In outrage, the Tea Party will eventually split from the Republican Party.  While that seems like a good thing, it's actually not...


3.  That will create three viable parties, with the Republican Party in the middle, to occupy the "centrist" label. Longterm, it will shift all mainstream political discourse further to the right, putting Democrats on equal "extremist" footing with the Tea Party. To be considered centrist, one would have to be Republican.

False. It will create one viable party and two smaller parties fighting over the bigger piece of 47% of the remaining voting population.

Indeed.  The US electoral system always forces us back to a two party equilibrium, with one a majority party and the other a near-majority party trying to grab the extra votes to take control.  A true third party wouldn't even come close to having enough votes to win anything on the national level, and thus will never happen so long as we have a winner take all system.  There's a reason the Tea Party runs in GOP primaries instead of as independents.


I hope you are right about this. I'm definitely not rooting for my prediction.
 
2013-10-17 11:40:03 AM

mgshamster: TwoBeersOneCan: mgshamster: Dog Welder: Well, at least the ants will be saved...
[img153.imageshack.us image 800x600]

I very much want to draw a cartoon of an ant on a cross next to that passage.

It had better be a four armed cross.

I was envisioning just two arms hanging out in the open.  But four would work well, too.


You could have Mitt walking away with a hammer thinking, "Nailed it!"
 
2013-10-17 11:40:40 AM

Heliovdrake: Carn: Heliovdrake: Conservatism cant fail you, only YOU can fail conservaism.  We as a nation dropped the soap in the PRISON showers that is the halls of congress, by electing the RINO's thats what we saw last night. They took our nation away from us, against our will. The will of the people Said no, but the traitor RINO's said YES. We need to distance ourselves from the RINO SCUM who voted with the socialist democrats, Rush and Glenn already get it, they know the majority of the G.odless O.ld  P.retenders have  sold themselves into SLAVERY to OBAMA.   Now is the time, rally our troops and kick out the GOP in 2014! Patch up as many holes as we can in the USS USA by blocking anything the dictator in chief wants until 2016 when we can get our MAN into office, I feel bad for the mess he'll have to deal with, and Im sure the smell will never come out of the carpet in the oval office!

When the midterms come, we cant let the democrats ABORT our will like they have so many lives down the drain,  The American people deserve better then a teenage democrats prom night clean up!

This doesnt mean we can be complacent until 2014-16. Obama is trying to disarm us now, BOTH politically and physically, no adminstation on earth since or before the NAZIs have tried so hard to disarm its people before a hostile takeover, while at the SAME TIME giving money away to its most violent drug using elements, and making it so the CRIMINALS are better armed then the average soverign citizen. THis is why we have to oppose and block anything the Negatively inteligent great godless evil repugnant 0bama tries!


Ooooh, I see what you did there.
 
2013-10-17 11:40:48 AM

Cletus C.: Carn: Cletus C.: Tea Party tried to parlay polls showing dissatisfaction with Obamacare into a political victory. Failure.
Boehner tried to talk sense with tea partiers and when he fails jumps in their canoe. Failure.
Democratic cries of Armageddon over a government shutdown proved laughable. Failure.
Obama saying he will not negotiate, then negotiates. Failure.
Fox News goes full tard with slimdown. Failure.
Final deal sets us up for more of this insanity in a few months. Failure.

So yeah, start declaring victory.

No, they didn't and no, he didn't.  Keep on banging the BSAB drum though, Cletus.  Lately, you've been more subtle though.

Oh, I think Obama had to negotiate for the good of the country. He didn't give up much but he negotiated. I hope he starts new negotiations immediately so we don't go through this again. But it would be naive to think anything productive will happen before we're on the brink again.


I'd say stating the Obama negotiated is hardly an accurate representation of the matter - the senate gave the slightest of meaningless concessions so that Boehner could save a tiny bit of face.  I agree on the second part.  If House republicans had been willing to have an actual debate since March rather than a crusade against Obamacare, we might already have this thing settled.  I don't think that's what the zealots want and I don't see them negotiating in good faith on any budget matters.  I see them sticking to their stance of "give us everything we want and you get nothing or else we burn the government down".
 
2013-10-17 11:41:37 AM
I think my favorite take away is that the TEA party will own this into the election quite proudly. I am interested to see how that plays out in the primaries and election. I suspect it will mean the extremists will get trounced, but it could also mean the independents aren't who I think they are.
 
2013-10-17 11:42:14 AM

T-Servo: I think they compare themselves to the US military in WWII. They didn't need to know what they stood for, just that Hitler was bad and needed to be defeated.


For the Tea Party-ers I believe you are correct. Defeating Hitler was goal, because we didn't particularly have to worry about the rebuilding, since it was war not on our soil (we did have a heavy hand in things, but we could have gone isolationist if we wanted). So if you analogize that to "stopping/diminishing government" then you get the no compromise, who cares about the debt limit, cripple the government at any cost Ted Cruz types, but that's a minority of a minority of people in the US. For everyone else, they know they have to run the show afterwards, and they haven't been able to articulate what they think government should be doing if they had their way, and those that have (Paul Ryan) are pretty much laughed out of the room.
 
2013-10-17 11:42:35 AM

nmrsnr: ModernPrimitive01: With the latest Obama victory over the Constitution and over the surviving remnants of America in the debt limit/Obamacare battle, it's a good time to recall the political make-up of Post-America:

Oh, I like that. What country do they think this is now?


he uses the term in every day conversations. Usually I try not to ask, it usually just leads to ranting. From what I gather it's basically that America is so far gone we shouldn't even call it America anymore. America was the 1950s and ended when Reagan stop being president
 
2013-10-17 11:43:44 AM

t3knomanser: Corn_Fed: That will create three viable parties,

No it won't. While our electoral system's two-party rule has a  lot of disadvantages, one major advantage is it prevents the Tea Party from becoming a legitimate third party. Either the Tea Party needs to co-opt the Republican party, or they become a bunch of fringe goofballs. There's no middle ground.


Just curious...while I realize a third party has no chance of winning the presidency, what would prevent a third party from gaining a bunch of seats in the House of Representatives? And slowly building a coalition?
 
2013-10-17 11:44:06 AM
 
2013-10-17 11:44:39 AM

ArkPanda: ShadowKamui: somedude210: Weaver95: I guess we wait and see. I wonder if they'll conclude they weren't conservative enough and should move more to the right?

how do you go further right than "actively trying to disassemble the government"?

Hugo Boss uniforms

At least the Nazis had style; they knew how to intimidate.  When someone wearing a bad colonial costume with teabags hanging off it bangs on your door in the middle of the night, "shiat your pants in terror" will probably not be your first reaction.


Yes, the reaction is more "piss your pants while laughing".
 
2013-10-17 11:45:43 AM

nmrsnr: ModernPrimitive01: With the latest Obama victory over the Constitution and over the surviving remnants of America in the debt limit/Obamacare battle, it's a good time to recall the political make-up of Post-America:

Oh, I like that. What country do they think this is now?


The part in their Lost Cause narrative before it becomes the Restored United States of America.

/I'm assuming a lot of teabaggers are Kevin Costner fans. Don't know why, I just wanted to make a Postman reference.
 
2013-10-17 11:46:23 AM

RexTalionis: Corn_Fed: My scary prediction:


1.  In January, "moderate" Republicans will block the Tea Party from trying this stunt again.


2.  In outrage, the Tea Party will eventually split from the Republican Party.  While that seems like a good thing, it's actually not...


3.  That will create three viable parties, with the Republican Party in the middle, to occupy the "centrist" label. Longterm, it will shift all mainstream political discourse further to the right, putting Democrats on equal "extremist" footing with the Tea Party. To be considered centrist, one would have to be Republican.

False. It will create one viable party and two smaller parties fighting over the bigger piece of 47% of the remaining voting population.


That's my thought as well.  The Dems aren't going to shift to other parties and many people who've been voting R have been holding their noses either because:  (a) they're insane tea party people who are voting for a moderate or (b) they're sane and voting for a tea party loon because they've always voted for R.
 
2013-10-17 11:47:57 AM

Heliovdrake: Ok, its posted, lets see how it does.

http://hopenchangecartoons.blogspot.com/2013/10/a-mime-is-terrible-t hi ng-to-waste.html


I award you one Free Hope n' Change Ebook!
 
2013-10-17 11:51:06 AM

Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: Heliovdrake: Ok, its posted, lets see how it does.

http://hopenchangecartoons.blogspot.com/2013/10/a-mime-is-terrible-t hi ng-to-waste.html

I award you one Free Hope n' Change Ebook!


; _ ; Please don't.


Also I found this Gem over there.


I've never understood the whole "teabag" slur thing.

Like many conservatives, I've had liberals retort that my opinion was basically worthless for no better reason than because I was just another "teabagger", as if that was some sort of actual argument, or would somehow offend me.

As I am not a homosexual and do not go out of my way to be familiar with all homosexual sexual practices, I still don't even know the literal meaning of the term beyond understanding that it's a reference to a specific homosexual sex act. So why would someone think that calling people like me "teabaggers" would somehow be meaningful or personally offend me or otherwise get under my skin, or would even somehow cause other people to regard my opinion as any less valid than theirs? I really don't get it.

Beyond the obvious hypocrisy of why it is okay for avowed liberals to use a purposely demeaning and offensive slur against people they not only disagree with, but very obviously "hate", what purpose does repeatedly slinging this clearly misdirected term serve? Do they honestly think that I am so insecure in my sexuality that upon hearing it I am going to go run and hide under my bed?

If it does anything, it demonstrates how utterly clueless they are about conservatives, how they feel, and what they really think. Or if they do know better, it only demonstrates the contempt they have for their own clueless audience. It's as if none of them actually know any "conservatives", (or homosexuals for that matter) what they think and believe. Could they really actually be that clueless?

Also, it shows their midnless contempt for homosexuals who might honestly find "teabagging" to be an intimate, loving and caring thing to do.

In order for propaganda to be effective, you must know your enemy. Clearly, people who mindlessly use this term do not. If anything, it's proof that they are running on emotion over rhetoric, and letting their blind hate do their thinking for them. Rather embarrassing, I think.

As far as I can tell, it only makes them look shallow, hateful, vacuous, ignorant, insensitive (to one of their favorite identity groups no less) and just plain dumb; everything they are attempting to convince others that they are not, and I am
.
 
2013-10-17 11:51:09 AM
Hmm, I'm thinking maybe, just maybe my vote will actually matter next year, and Jeff Fortenberry gets bounced.
 
2013-10-17 11:51:25 AM

ModernPrimitive01: Random email from one of my freeper coworkers this morning:

With the latest Obama victory over the Constitution and over the surviving remnants of America in the debt limit/Obamacare battle, it's a good time to recall the political make-up of Post-America:

**The Democrats are the evil party.  They believe in Nothingness (degeneration, destruction, deconstruction, the Abyss).
**The Republicans are the stupid party.  They believe in nothing.
**The media demonize the Republicans and worship the Democrats.  Even though the Republicans don't actually do much to fight the Democrats, the Democrats still need a "Goldstein" type enemy to whip their (ahem) "low information" voters into a frenzy of hate every so often, and hapless Republicans like Mitt Romney, John McCain, and John Boehner serve this purpose.
**Anyone who actually attempts to fight the Democrats, and to represent working and middle class Americans, will be demonized, trashed, and pounced upon by the Democrats, the Republican establishment, and the media.  See Ted Cruz and the Tea Party for details.


encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com
 
2013-10-17 11:53:48 AM

Heliovdrake: Ok, its posted, lets see how it does.

http://hopenchangecartoons.blogspot.com/2013/10/a-mime-is-terrible-t hi ng-to-waste.html


For future reference, you might want to throw in some anti-Muslim stuff as well. That's red meat to the 'Bagger base.

That's just a minor point, though. Not even constructive criticism, just a thought. Overall, very well done.
 
2013-10-17 11:55:48 AM

Mr. Coffee Nerves: $24,000,000,000 for Boehner to learn what we already knew -- negotiation with the teahadists is like going fishing with a guy who uses dynamite, and to save time he lights all the fuses before you launch the boat


+1 i made the same comment yesterday (like fishing with a guy who uses dynamite, but throws it under the boat... but look at all the fish, Boehner!)
 
2013-10-17 12:00:49 PM

Cletus C.: Obama saying he will not negotiate, then negotiates. Failure.


The only thing Obama gave up in this fight was the back of his hand.
 
2013-10-17 12:01:50 PM

somedude210: Weaver95: I think the first hurdle the GOP faces is admitting that they lost in the shutdown fight in the first place. I've seen plenty of republicans who are convinced that the shutdown was a win for their party.

There have also been some GOPers admitting they lost.

I'd be more impressed if they admit they lost and accept that this isn't the way to go


Funny thing is: those actually having some common sense and reflecting on what happened are now labeled "RINOs" just because they used their head.
 
2013-10-17 12:02:42 PM

Corn_Fed: Just curious...while I realize a third party has no chance of winning the presidency, what would prevent a third party from gaining a bunch of seats in the House of Representatives? And slowly building a coalition?


Mostly barriers to getting on the ballot. Neither the Republicans nor the Democrats are completely stupid. They have a good thing going, and from the local level on up, they make it extremely hard for third parties to get on the ballot.

There are "safe districts".For example, when electing a Congressman, I know my vote doesn't count. I live in Pittsburgh- we're sending the Democrat. Ditto on the President. Heck, even for Mayor- since I'm not a registered Democrat, I don't get to vote for mayor (the mayor is decided by the Democratic primary, not the general election).

There's spite voting- many voters don't vote for a candidate because they particularly love that candidate- they just hate the other guy. So if I really hate Republicans, I'm going to vote for the Democrats and not a third party. That's because the Democrats have the best chance of beating the people I don't like. Look at how many people complained about Nader splitting the vote in 2000 (and Perot in 1992).

The median voter theorem has a role to play in this, too. People will usually vote for whichever candidate is closest to their own feelings- which simply means that someone has to find the median voter's stance on the issues and build a platform there. If a third party candidate starts the process there, you had better believe that one of the major party candidates will move in and steal it from him (in fact, one of the major purposes of third parties is to act as a "colonial organism" for politics- they move into new areas of the political landscape and then get displaced by the major parties).

This is all fueled by first-past-the-post voting. It's a system naturally geared towards building a two party system. The parties will shift, fragment and reform, but in the end, it's always going to be two parties.
 
2013-10-17 12:04:08 PM

Heliovdrake: Also I found this Gem over there.

......

Also, it shows their midnless contempt for homosexuals who might honestly find "teabagging" to be an intimate, loving and caring thing to do.


I.....

Hmm....

Please tell me this is a troll.

Please.

/and I say this as a teabagger
//and a teabaggee
///slashies come in threes
 
2013-10-17 12:04:35 PM

pueblonative: Skleenar: You know, I think...

You're cute.  Have a cookie.


Wow, Skleenar gets a retrospective 9/10 for that.
 
2013-10-17 12:05:43 PM

Mentat: Cletus C.: Obama saying he will not negotiate, then negotiates. Failure.

The only thing Obama gave up in this fight was the back of his hand.


And written on the back of that hand was language on checking income eligibility for ACA applicants, a few spending measures for certain districts, a promise for bipartisan budget negotiations and a few more things. Not much. But he did negotiate.
 
2013-10-17 12:06:10 PM

Corn_Fed: My scary prediction:


1.  In January, "moderate" Republicans will block the Tea Party from trying this stunt again.

please, please, please

2.  In outrage, the Tea Party will eventually split from the Republican Party.  While that seems like a good thing, it's actually not...

please, please, please

 

3.  That will create three viable parties, with the Republican Party in the middle, to occupy the "centrist" label. Longterm, it will shift all mainstream political discourse further to the right, putting Democrats on equal "extremist" footing with the Tea Party. To be considered centrist, one would have to be Republican.

The Tea Party and GOP would split the Conservative leaving the DNC with super majorities in both houses.  I don't have a problem with this.
 
2013-10-17 12:06:47 PM

t3knomanser: This is all fueled by first-past-the-post voting. It's a system naturally geared towards building a two party system. The parties will shift, fragment and reform, but in the end, it ...


Here's the thing:

1992:  Perot (once you get past some of his crackpot ideas) was a pretty sensible candidate.
2000:  Nader was a farking crackpot...and Gore was no prize either.
 
2013-10-17 12:07:48 PM

mrshowrules: Corn_Fed: My scary prediction:


1.  In January, "moderate" Republicans will block the Tea Party from trying this stunt again.

please, please, please

2.  In outrage, the Tea Party will eventually split from the Republican Party.  While that seems like a good thing, it's actually not...

please, please, please 

3.  That will create three viable parties, with the Republican Party in the middle, to occupy the "centrist" label. Longterm, it will shift all mainstream political discourse further to the right, putting Democrats on equal "extremist" footing with the Tea Party. To be considered centrist, one would have to be Republican.

The Tea Party and GOP would split the Conservative leaving the DNC with super majorities in both houses.  I don't have a problem with this.


Pretty much, TP goes hard right, the GOP goes center-right, the Dems shift back center-left.
 
2013-10-17 12:08:19 PM

Heliovdrake: Ok, its posted, lets see how it does.

http://hopenchangecartoons.blogspot.com/2013/10/a-mime-is-terrible-t hi ng-to-waste.html


It's not so much the unfunniness that bothers me as it is the ignorant, righteous indignation.
 
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