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(Politico)   Now comes the "who lost us the shutdown fight" game within the GOP. Upon hearing this, Orville Redenbacher stock spiked   (politico.com) divider line 264
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2013-10-17 09:08:27 AM
I think the first hurdle the GOP faces is admitting that they lost in the shutdown fight in the first place. I've seen plenty of republicans who are convinced that the shutdown was a win for their party.
 
2013-10-17 09:08:59 AM
Even if you're against the ACA, if you're intellectually honest, your criticism should be over their farking ridiculous strategy to attack it.

$24 billion+ failed strategy.  Well done, teabaggers.  Really well done.
 
2013-10-17 09:11:26 AM

Weaver95: I think the first hurdle the GOP faces is admitting that they lost in the shutdown fight in the first place. I've seen plenty of republicans who are convinced that the shutdown was a win for their party.


There have also been some GOPers admitting they lost.

I'd be more impressed if they admit they lost and accept that this isn't the way to go
 
2013-10-17 09:14:33 AM

Weaver95: I think the first hurdle the GOP faces is admitting that they lost in the shutdown fight in the first place. I've seen plenty of republicans who are convinced that the shutdown was a win for their party.


Depending on the district, it may have been a win for some of them in particular, but it's hard to find anything in this that was a win for the party itself.
 
2013-10-17 09:19:48 AM

somedude210: Weaver95: I think the first hurdle the GOP faces is admitting that they lost in the shutdown fight in the first place. I've seen plenty of republicans who are convinced that the shutdown was a win for their party.

There have also been some GOPers admitting they lost.

I'd be more impressed if they admit they lost and accept that this isn't the way to go


I guess we wait and see. I wonder if they'll conclude they weren't conservative enough and should move more to the right?
 
2013-10-17 09:23:16 AM

Weaver95: I guess we wait and see. I wonder if they'll conclude they weren't conservative enough and should move more to the right?


how do you go further right than "actively trying to disassemble the government"?
 
2013-10-17 09:28:04 AM

Weaver95: somedude210: Weaver95: I think the first hurdle the GOP faces is admitting that they lost in the shutdown fight in the first place. I've seen plenty of republicans who are convinced that the shutdown was a win for their party.

There have also been some GOPers admitting they lost.

I'd be more impressed if they admit they lost and accept that this isn't the way to go

I guess we wait and see. I wonder if they'll conclude they weren't conservative enough and should move more to the right?


"Don't retreat, reload!"
 
2013-10-17 09:38:52 AM

somedude210: Weaver95: I guess we wait and see. I wonder if they'll conclude they weren't conservative enough and should move more to the right?

how do you go further right than "actively trying to disassemble the government"?


I have no idea...but if anyone can figure that out, it would be Ted Cruz.
 
2013-10-17 09:40:00 AM
I loved Boehner yesterday "We fought the good fight." No, no you f*cking didn't. You put 800,000 people out of work for weeks.

Let's be perfectly clear though. Of the 30 or so Tea Party asshats who started this mess, most of them are from the good ol' confederacy. Let's not forget that.

You know when the Union won 150 years ago, the Confederates went back home and said "We fought the good fight" and all they had to show for it was a bunch of dead people and a destroyed economy.
 
2013-10-17 09:45:33 AM

Weaver95: I guess we wait and see. I wonder if they'll conclude they weren't conservative enough and should move more to the right?


That's a foregone conclusion.
 
2013-10-17 09:57:13 AM
I saw a former Republican rep on MSNBC last night claiming that this was a win for Boehner because he had to let the teapartiers shut down the government to secure his position.  24 billion is what his security cost us.
 
2013-10-17 10:03:24 AM

bdub77: Let's be perfectly clear though. Of the 30 or so Tea Party asshats who started this mess, most of them are from the good ol' confederacy. Let's not forget that.


You know when the Union won 150 years ago, the Confederates went back home and said "We fought the good fight" and all they had to show for it was a bunch of dead people and a destroyed economy.

If by "most" you mean "about half."

i.imgur.com

But please, don't let my facts get in the way of you grinding away at that axe.
 
2013-10-17 10:05:06 AM
$24,000,000,000 for Boehner to learn what we already knew -- negotiation with the teahadists is like going fishing with a guy who uses dynamite, and to save time he lights all the fuses before you launch the boat
 
2013-10-17 10:17:35 AM

somedude210: Weaver95: I think the first hurdle the GOP faces is admitting that they lost in the shutdown fight in the first place. I've seen plenty of republicans who are convinced that the shutdown was a win for their party.

There have also been some GOPers admitting they lost.

I'd be more impressed if they admit they lost and accept that this isn't the way to go


So...when are they going to impeach Obama for all this?
 
2013-10-17 10:19:54 AM
Orrin Hatch went off on the Heritage Foundation this morning.  Of course, he also said that ObamaCare was a failed law that he conveniently forgot was modeled off of Republican policy.
 
2013-10-17 10:20:33 AM
All five Arizona Republican House members voted No.

I'm sure they'll all be re-elected.
 
2013-10-17 10:21:21 AM

somedude210: Weaver95: I guess we wait and see. I wonder if they'll conclude they weren't conservative enough and should move more to the right?

how do you go further right than "actively trying to disassemble the government"?


I thought they already were actively trying to disassemble the government.
 
2013-10-17 10:22:20 AM
I haven't been this happy since the "unskewed" crowd were revealed for the morans they are.

Fight, GOP.  Fight!  Amuse me.
 
2013-10-17 10:22:55 AM
Bye Bye Boehner
 
2013-10-17 10:24:37 AM

TheShavingofOccam123: All five Arizona Republican House members voted No.

I'm sure they'll all be re-elected.


I really need to relocate to Tucson.
 
2013-10-17 10:24:48 AM
I just had to run a quick errand and so had NPR on for a few minutes.  Some politician, don't know who, was bloviating about, "it's clear that President Obama will not negotiate with us on Obamacare."

So they still don't understand the difference between "negotiation" and "extortion," and Obama's name gets mentioned.

If that gives you any hints.
 
2013-10-17 10:26:52 AM
Boehner spent $24B of our money to save his $49k a year speakership salary premium

Boehner spent $24B of our money to save his $49k a year speakership salary premium

Boehner spent $24B of our money to save his $49k a year speakership salary premium
 
2013-10-17 10:27:00 AM
He also talked about how he voted against it because it's not fiscally sustainable, "as Obama himself has admitted."

So let's look at the budget, Mr. Fiscal Reponsibility.  Subtract out social security, and national "security" spending in all its forms.  Now how much is left?

So you're going to tell your constituents that they have to give up social security?  Or are you going to reduce "security" spending so that it is less than the rest of the world combined?

If not, then shut up.
 
2013-10-17 10:27:19 AM
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2013-10-17 10:27:26 AM

bdub77: I loved Boehner yesterday "We fought the good fight." No, no you f*cking didn't. You put 800,000 people out of work for weeks.

Let's be perfectly clear though. Of the 30 or so Tea Party asshats who started this mess, most of them are from the good ol' confederacy. Let's not forget that.

You know when the Union won 150 years ago, the Confederates went back home and said "We fought the good fight" and all they had to show for it was a bunch of dead people and a destroyed economy.


i151.photobucket.com
 
2013-10-17 10:27:50 AM

Elegy: If by "most" you mean "about half."

But please, don't let my facts get in the way of you grinding away at that axe.


http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2013/10/32-republicans-w ho -caused-the-government-shutdown/280236/

Michigan
Minnesota
Tennessee
Alabama
Georgia
Texas
Texas
Florida
Tennessee
South Carolina
Louisiana

New Jersey
Georgia
Texas
Georgia
Missouri

Kansas
Ohio
Iowa
Idaho
Kentucky
California
North Carolina
Texas
Arizona
South Carolina
Louisiana
Arizona
Texas

Indiana
Texas
Florida


You can arguably exclude Idaho (not a state) and Kansas, which was barely a state in 1861 and was in many ways a proxy war state between the two sides. Arizona was under confederate control. That leaves 7 of the 30 remaining Tea Party crazies who weren't from secessionist states.

The derp is strong there.
 
2013-10-17 10:28:25 AM
I'm going to go with America lost. We will recover, but there will be some long-term repercussions.
The massive trashing of the GOP and tea party brands will be a plus. I wonder what they'll rename themselves.
 
2013-10-17 10:29:15 AM

Weaver95: I think the first hurdle the GOP faces is admitting that they lost in the shutdown fight in the first place. I've seen plenty of republicans who are convinced that the shutdown was a win for their party.


Honestly, I think you're wrong. I think the Tea Party believes that they lost. More than that, I think the Tea Party believes that they lost for the sole reason that they didn't stand their ground. Maybe if Obama had been walking around in a hoodie and carrying a bag of Skittles, things would have turned out differently.
 
2013-10-17 10:29:33 AM
What's utterly laughable is that anyone thinks the area to the Right of the GOP is still within 'Conservative' territory.
 
2013-10-17 10:29:38 AM

somedude210: Weaver95: I guess we wait and see. I wonder if they'll conclude they weren't conservative enough and should move more to the right?

how do you go further right than "actively trying to disassemble the government"?


Hugo Boss uniforms
 
2013-10-17 10:30:03 AM
Let me guess? Everyone except themselves?
 
2013-10-17 10:30:23 AM
At this point the Republicans should be more concerned that their political party is nothing more than a reality show, complete with hick drama and grandstanding.  Then again, I'm assuming that they are a political party and not some sort of way to rip off the stupid.
 
2013-10-17 10:30:59 AM
The country lost 24 billion +
The GOP lost a lot of chips with the American public (the sane ones).
The tea party has been marginalized, their last "victory" was the elections of 2010.

Frankly President Obama won.  He stayed tough yet presidential and the GOP underestimated him again.  Just like they cannot understand all of Obama's gains in worldwide diplomacy without invading or bombing every country as his first move.  Obama wins against the shortsighted thinkers again.  He might even whip the tea party up in so much of a tizzy that they implode.
 
2013-10-17 10:30:59 AM

somedude210: Weaver95: I think the first hurdle the GOP faces is admitting that they lost in the shutdown fight in the first place. I've seen plenty of republicans who are convinced that the shutdown was a win for their party.

There have also been some GOPers admitting they lost.

I'd be more impressed if they admit they lost and accept that this isn't the way to go


Yeah, call me when they actually admit that they're wrong about anything, ever. True believers are scary because when their shiat fails, they automagically assume that it is only because they didn't derp loud enough, they didn't herp bad enough.
 
2013-10-17 10:31:09 AM
we all lost.
 
2013-10-17 10:33:23 AM

Weaver95: I think the first hurdle the GOP faces is admitting that they lost in the shutdown fight in the first place. I've seen plenty of republicans who are convinced that the shutdown was a win for their party.


I called that 2 weeks ago. Just declare victory and move on. The TeaTards will eat it up.
 
2013-10-17 10:33:39 AM

Diogenes: Even if you're against the ACA, if you're intellectually honest, your criticism should be over their farking ridiculous strategy to attack it.

$24 billion+ failed strategy.  Well done, teabaggers.  Really well done.


The GOP/Teabaggers are a football team that just decided to punt on first & goal.  And now they're high-fiving each other for their brilliant tactic.
 
2013-10-17 10:34:21 AM
libs plz its not going to be rememberd as "the GOP civil war"

it is "the war of RINO aggression"

go slavery!~
 
2013-10-17 10:35:01 AM

Weaver95: I think the first hurdle the GOP faces is admitting that they lost in the shutdown fight in the first place. I've seen plenty of republicans who are convinced that the shutdown was a win for their party.


Yep. It's almost pointless to debate "who lost it for them", as if, somehow, they would've won if only this one person hadn't done this one thing. The GOP career politicians realize that this was a "black eye", but some of the newer folks, including the teabaggers, think that this was somehow a victory, that they managed to accomplish some form of goal. It's weird.

To be honest, they lost the second they demonstrated that they were willing, as an entire political party, to say "screw the country and its citizens - we're putting our bizarre ideology first." They were happy, during a fragile recovery from a recession that their party caused, during a sequester that was already a compromise designed to mollify their party, to put nearly a million people out of work and damage, perhaps irreparably, this country's financial standing in the global economy. Why?

Because they thought they had the power to do so. No other reason need apply. This is what happens when you give the GOP power - they immediately use it in the worst possible way. This isn't the fault of any one person or any single action, because they never really had a chance of success.
 
2013-10-17 10:35:59 AM

Prime: I'm going to go with America lost. We will recover, but there will be some long-term repercussions.
The massive trashing of the GOP and tea party brands will be a plus. I wonder what they'll rename themselves.


Why, the Freedom Party, of course.
 
2013-10-17 10:37:28 AM

HMS_Blinkin: Diogenes: Even if you're against the ACA, if you're intellectually honest, your criticism should be over their farking ridiculous strategy to attack it.

$24 billion+ failed strategy.  Well done, teabaggers.  Really well done.

The GOP/Teabaggers are a football team that just decided to punt on first & goal.  And now they're high-fiving each other for their brilliant tactic.


That is a terrible analogy. So by your logic, destroying the US and world economy is now considered the equivalent of "touchdown"?
 
2013-10-17 10:37:36 AM

bdub77: Elegy: If by "most" you mean "about half."

But please, don't let my facts get in the way of you grinding away at that axe.

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2013/10/32-republicans-w ho -caused-the-government-shutdown/280236/

Michigan
Minnesota
Tennessee
Alabama
Georgia
Texas
Texas
Florida
Tennessee
South Carolina
Louisiana
New Jersey
Georgia
Texas
Georgia
Missouri
Kansas
Ohio
Iowa
Idaho
Kentucky
California
North Carolina
Texas
Arizona
South Carolina
Louisiana
Arizona
Texas
Indiana
Texas
Florida

You can arguably exclude Idaho (not a state) and Kansas, which was barely a state in 1861 and was in many ways a proxy war state between the two sides. Arizona was under confederate control. That leaves 7 of the 30 remaining Tea Party crazies who weren't from secessionist states.

The derp is strong there.


Kentucky/Missouri were also pretty much split between Union/Confederacy. You want to exclude Kansas, you should exclude those two as well.
 
2013-10-17 10:37:48 AM
Elegy:

If by "most" you mean "about half."

[i.imgur.com image 288x218]


I am lost in a sea of stupid. Southeast Tennessee.

I've become known for shooting down the stupid things my friends post on Facebook. It takes way too much of my time.
 
2013-10-17 10:38:08 AM

Weaver95: somedude210: Weaver95: I guess we wait and see. I wonder if they'll conclude they weren't conservative enough and should move more to the right?

how do you go further right than "actively trying to disassemble the government"?

I have no idea...but if anyone can will run with that with absolutely no attempt whatsoever to figure that out, it would be Ted Cruz.


FTFY
 
2013-10-17 10:38:33 AM

FormlessOne: Prime: I'm going to go with America lost. We will recover, but there will be some long-term repercussions.
The massive trashing of the GOP and tea party brands will be a plus. I wonder what they'll rename themselves.

Why, the Freedom Party, of course.


aliencyborgs.com
 
2013-10-17 10:38:45 AM

bdub77: Elegy: If by "most" you mean "about half."

But please, don't let my facts get in the way of you grinding away at that axe.

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2013/10/32-republicans-w ho -caused-the-government-shutdown/280236/

Michigan
Minnesota
Tennessee
Alabama
Georgia
Texas
Texas
Florida
Tennessee
South Carolina
Louisiana
New Jersey
Georgia
Texas
Georgia
Missouri
Kansas
Ohio
Iowa
Idaho
Kentucky
California
North Carolina
Texas
Arizona
South Carolina
Louisiana
Arizona
Texas
Indiana
Texas
Florida

You can arguably exclude Idaho (not a state) and Kansas, which was barely a state in 1861 and was in many ways a proxy war state between the two sides. Arizona was under confederate control. That leaves 7 of the 30 remaining Tea Party crazies who weren't from secessionist states.

The derp is strong there.


I didn't know that Texas had already gone through with their plans to split into six States (I thought it was five?), and isn't it a bit confusing for them all to keep the same name? Not to mention East and West Tennessee, and North and South Georgia plus Greater Atlanta as a third Georgia State? And I guess the (318) Area Code of Louisiana is a separate State now in reality just as it has always pretty much been culturally? And is Maricopa County its own State now?
 
2013-10-17 10:39:06 AM
Conservatism cant fail you, only YOU can fail conservaism, and thats what we saw last night. We need to distance ourselves from the RINO SCUM who voted with the socialist democrats, Rush and Glenn already get it, they know the majority of the G.odless O.ld  P.retenders.  Now is the time, rally our troops and kick out the GOP in 2014! Patch up as many holes as we can in the USS USA by blocking anything the dictator in chief wants until 2016 when we can get our MAN into office, I feel bad for the mess he'll have to deal with, and Im sure the smell will never come out of the carpet in the oval office!

/What do you think? I'm trying to pander better to the GOP, I want to start a blog and sell merch on it to the rubes, this is my first real go at pandering to them. Do I have enough vitrol, or should I crank up the hate, or subtle racism?
 
2013-10-17 10:39:13 AM

somedude210: Weaver95: I guess we wait and see. I wonder if they'll conclude they weren't conservative enough and should move more to the right?

how do you go further right than "actively trying to disassemble the government"?


I don't think any of us really want to know the answer to that.
 
2013-10-17 10:39:16 AM

FormlessOne: Prime: I'm going to go with America lost. We will recover, but there will be some long-term repercussions.
The massive trashing of the GOP and tea party brands will be a plus. I wonder what they'll rename themselves.

Why, the Freedom Party, of course.


Libertearians
 
2013-10-17 10:39:45 AM

bdub77: Elegy: If by "most" you mean "about half."

But please, don't let my facts get in the way of you grinding away at that axe.

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2013/10/32-republicans-w ho -caused-the-government-shutdown/280236/

Michigan
Minnesota
Tennessee
Alabama
Georgia
Texas
Texas
Florida
Tennessee
South Carolina
Louisiana
New Jersey
Georgia
Texas
Georgia
Missouri
Kansas
Ohio
Iowa
Idaho
Kentucky
California
North Carolina
Texas
Arizona
South Carolina
Louisiana
Arizona
Texas
Indiana
Texas
Florida

You can arguably exclude Idaho (not a state) and Kansas, which was barely a state in 1861 and was in many ways a proxy war state between the two sides. Arizona was under confederate control. That leaves 7 of the 30 remaining Tea Party crazies who weren't from secessionist states.

The derp is strong there.


Huh. Reality really DOES have a strong liberal bias.
 
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