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2013-10-17 08:57:07 AM  
Yup. Let them fight then give them both 5 for fighting. Fights will become rare again if there's no benefit to wining.
 
2013-10-17 09:17:20 AM  
I'm trying to come up with something less likely than the NHL removing that rule. Can't think of anything.

IMO, when you have a player suspended, you should lose an actual lineup spot (maybe more than one, depending on the severity of the suspension). One of your players gets 5 games? For those five games, you can only dress 19 players instead of 20. If somebody gets 10 games, make it two line up spots lost. Adjust as necessary to make suspensions *team* punishments, rather than individual.

Until teams start losing games because their players are reckless, nothing is going to change. Big, dangerous hits weren't invented after the instigator rule.
 
2013-10-17 09:44:29 AM  
Good, I hate instagram.
 
2013-10-17 10:45:01 AM  
Fighting results in an automatic ejection and 10 game suspension, as well as a referral to the local DA for felony assault?
 
2013-10-17 10:54:57 AM  
www.insta-gatorranch.com
 
2013-10-17 10:56:18 AM  

costermonger: I'm trying to come up with something less likely than the NHL removing that rule. Can't think of anything.

IMO, when you have a player suspended, you should lose an actual lineup spot (maybe more than one, depending on the severity of the suspension). One of your players gets 5 games? For those five games, you can only dress 19 players instead of 20. If somebody gets 10 games, make it two line up spots lost. Adjust as necessary to make suspensions *team* punishments, rather than individual.

Until teams start losing games because their players are reckless, nothing is going to change. Big, dangerous hits weren't invented after the instigator rule.


The article has the same idea, and I tend to agree.

Of course, its not like 4th line goons get that much ice time anyways. The hole left over isn't that big.
 
2013-10-17 10:59:18 AM  

Need a Dispenser Here: costermonger: .

Of course, its not like 4th line goons get that much ice time anyways. The hole left over isn't that big.


I have to disagree...those 4th line guys might just be there to give a rest for the 2&3 line guys...but that extra 45 seconds can be crucial.  Just look at the number of goals scored after an icing call after the new rule (no player changes for defensive team after icing).

That said, the 4th line used to have specialists (hard shot, hard hit, enforcer) no just AHL rejects...
 
2013-10-17 11:00:52 AM  
Ban for life. Fine and fire refs who tolerate fighting and bad hits.
 
2013-10-17 11:04:39 AM  

Lost Thought 00: Fighting results in an automatic ejection and 10 game suspension, as well as a referral to the local DA for felony assault?


Wut?
 
2013-10-17 11:05:52 AM  
Subby is right.  Kaleta wouldn't be such a dick if he knew he'd get chased around the ice and pummeled for the shiat he pulls.

/turtle
 
2013-10-17 11:06:27 AM  

fatalvenom: Lost Thought 00: Fighting results in an automatic ejection and 10 game suspension, as well as a referral to the local DA for felony assault?

Wut?


If you make the punishment sufficiently severe, the problem goes away. If the problem persists, this implies that your punishments simply are not sufficiently harmful.
 
2013-10-17 11:10:09 AM  

Lost Thought 00: If you make the punishment sufficiently severe, the problem goes away. If the problem persists, this implies that your punishments simply are not sufficiently harmful.


Oh, you're serious.

I thought you were trolling.
 
2013-10-17 11:10:57 AM  
At the speed and ice surface size the game is played upon, nothing is going to achieve the goal of preventing bad hits.  Given those factors, it's impossible to remove hitting from the game entirely, and as long as hitting is a part of the game, you're going to have bad - even dirty - hits.

Removing the instigator penalty might deter a few folks (and probably eliminate the "tiny pest" role filled by Barnaby, Avery, and until recently Cooke), but will do nothing to stop the big guy who likes to fight or is just good at it.

Increased penalties - up to and including shortening benches and death of first-born - isn't going to do it, because it's not like these guys are having long internal monologues with themselves out there about the merits and penalties of hitting a guy between the numbers five with a 15' running starts when their target is five feet from the boards.  They see the opportunity and just go for it.  And that's a direct function of the speed of the game; a large part of it is instinctual.  A dude who is programmed to hit first is occasionally going to go for the hit that he shouldn't, because that's what he does.

Are there some hits that are clearly pre-meditated and individually disprove this (I think Kovalev's elbow on Darcy Tucker was the funniest)?  Of course there are - stuff like permanently shortening benches or punative fines will help with those.  There's an equal number which are also very clearly snap-decisions made and executed in less than a second - most of the times when a player is about to miss a check and extends to leg to tag the guy a little and it ends up being leg-on-knee, for example.  Punitive measures won't help those, because the punitive measures aren't considered - and can't be - in the span the decision is made.

The only way around that is to effectively ban hitting from the ground up (train people NOT to hit in junior hockey, and have the trickle-up effect), and/or to move to a larger ice surface where there's more room to move (which won't stop dirty hits completely, but it'll lessen the number of them).

Large men+high speed+small area in which to move = collisions.  Some of them are going to be worse than others.  Physics is a biatch sometimes.
 
2013-10-17 11:12:38 AM  
Use the MLB model:

50 games, 100 games, lifetime Shanaban
 
2013-10-17 11:16:23 AM  
Force Ed Snider to sell the Flyers?
 
2013-10-17 11:21:41 AM  
They are moving in the right direction over the last couple seasons. But they are still punishing the hit on a sliding scale related to the severity of the injury the receiving player ends up with - despite claims otherwise.

20 plus game suspensions would probably do it, and more for repeat offenders or especially grievous instances. There was a blindside check on Linus Omark in the AHL this week. The guy who made the hit had been hit with a hard legal check at the start of the shift, and spent the entire rest of the shift looking for someone to hurt. Omark stayed on the bench... so 2 games. If Omark was taken out on a stretcher, that same hit gets at least 10.
 
2013-10-17 11:28:12 AM  
Remove instigator rule and institute "Blades of Steel" rule.  Loser of a fight gets the penalty, winner gets off scott free.
 
2013-10-17 11:31:24 AM  

FightDirector: Increased penalties - up to and including shortening benches and death of first-born - isn't going to do it, because it's not like these guys are having long internal monologues with themselves out there about the merits and penalties of hitting a guy between the numbers five with a 15' running starts when their target is five feet from the boards.


If you're a GM, and you lose games because you employ players who can't prevent themselves from doing this, you won't be employing those players for very long. There's currently no penalty to employing guys like Raffi Torres - he does what he does and gets suspended for 25 games again, you really aren't out much of anything because you just replace him in the lineup, and he's not exactly a superstar.. Now, if Raffi Torres is suspended for 25 games, and the team is restricted to 17 lineup spots for 25 games, now you're feeling the effect, and you're probably not going to offer him another contract.

That's why I find it frustrating when people talk about injuries caused by guys who 'shouldn't be in the NHL'. Set up the rules correctly, and they won't be anymore.
 
2013-10-17 11:35:22 AM  
I agree with the articles writer. The salary cap hit would work. Especially in conjunction with one less man on the roster for some of the suspension. Lets say a player gets a 10 game suspension. Make his current team play 5 games with one less man on the roster during the suspension and also put a $50k hit per game suspended on the salary cap of any team that plays him NEXT year. If you did it this way a ten game suspension this year would not only cost this years team 5 days with a short roster, it would also cost each of next years team(s) who hire the guy a half million extra in salary cap hit. Dirty dangerous players who get big suspensions would become less of an asset pretty fast if they cost points and salary cap cost followed them around for a year like albatrosses on their necks.
 
2013-10-17 11:39:56 AM  

Need a Dispenser Here: costermonger: I'm trying to come up with something less likely than the NHL removing that rule. Can't think of anything.

IMO, when you have a player suspended, you should lose an actual lineup spot (maybe more than one, depending on the severity of the suspension). One of your players gets 5 games? For those five games, you can only dress 19 players instead of 20. If somebody gets 10 games, make it two line up spots lost. Adjust as necessary to make suspensions *team* punishments, rather than individual.

Until teams start losing games because their players are reckless, nothing is going to change. Big, dangerous hits weren't invented after the instigator rule.

The article has the same idea, and I tend to agree.

Of course, its not like 4th line goons get that much ice time anyways. The hole left over isn't that big.

FTFA: Another approach could be to hamper the team's roster. If a player is suspended, the team doesn't get to ice a full roster during his suspension. A forward lands a four-game suspenion? His team then plays four games with 11 forwards instead of 12


Just here to agree with with the previous 2 comments.  In the very least it would give pause to guys making those Raffi Torres on Hossa hits.  A short bench for 1 game, no one cares.  A short bench for 25 or 30 games might be a different story.  This, of course, lives on the assumption that these guys all have their heads with them at all times.  Half the penalties in the league seem to be a result of not having your head on straight.  (Making the other half, what, not skating/being tired & lazy?)
 
2013-10-17 11:40:45 AM  
College hockey OK, NHL won't be a sport to me till they eject players for fighting
 
2013-10-17 11:51:43 AM  

Lost Thought 00: Fighting results in an automatic ejection and 10 game suspension, as well as a referral to the local DA for felony assault?


You do realize this will increase the number of cheap shots and bad hits in the game, right?

People who make the bad hits aren't getting suspended, and (as others have said), speed of the game. You really can't. Want to teach them not to do that? Remind them that the big guys will come looking for payback.

Blackstone: College hockey OK, NHL won't be a sport to me till they eject players for fighting


Go watch a superior IHL and AHL game, then. You'll find better players there.
 
2013-10-17 11:52:00 AM  
As the article said fighting isn't the problem, it's blind side hits that you can't protect yourself against.
 
2013-10-17 12:08:03 PM  
Shouldn't CBS be more concerned about Football? Half the posters in this thread aren't even actual fans of hockey. If you aren't a serious fan of hockey you can just shut up and concentrate on a sport you do care about. Hockey doesn't need more Americans trying to change a game they don't watch.  I agree with axing the instigator rule FWIW.
 
2013-10-17 12:17:01 PM  

ontariolightning: Hockey doesn't need more Americans trying to change a game they don't watch.



Canada really should make you their ambassador.
 
2013-10-17 12:17:06 PM  

ontariolightning: Shouldn't CBS be more concerned about Football? Half the posters in this thread aren't even actual fans of hockey. If you aren't a serious fan of hockey you can just shut up and concentrate on a sport you do care about. Hockey doesn't need more Americans trying to change a game they don't watch.  I agree with axing the instigator rule FWIW.


What a wonderful contribution. It's no wonder so many people can't see your posts.
 
2013-10-17 12:24:29 PM  
Ah, hockey. The game for those who find NASCAR too intellectually challenging.
 
2013-10-17 12:25:21 PM  

PowerSlacker: Use the MLB model:

50 games, 100 games, lifetime Shanaban


I was going to start with ban for life, starting in the peewee leagues.
TADA
problem goes away, forever

oh yah, and a ref that refuses to call the hit?
same thing
take his skates and stick and never let him walk on ice again ... TADA

/never going to change. just like concussions in the NFL
 
2013-10-17 12:26:14 PM  

costermonger: What a wonderful contribution. It's no wonder so many people can't see your posts.


I can see 'em.  They come up in a light lavender color labeled "Paste eater"
 
2013-10-17 12:31:54 PM  

namatad: PowerSlacker: Use the MLB model:

50 games, 100 games, lifetime Shanaban

I was going to start with ban for life, starting in the peewee leagues.
TADA
problem goes away, forever

oh yah, and a ref that refuses to call the hit?
same thing
take his skates and stick and never let him walk on ice again ... TADA

/never going to change. just like concussions in the NFL


Your refs had sticks and had to WALK!?  Rough league...

Tell me how I know that most posters here know nothing of hockey?

There is a simple solution to both...remove helmets in both leagues.  The only reason a NFL Linebacker feels like he can lead with his head is that he "thinks" he has protection there from a helmet.  Take away the helmet and the hits to/from the head go away.

Same solution in Hockey but for additional reasons...Without a helmet these losers can not turtle-up when the enforcer comes after them.  Also, most players would rather play without a helmet.
 
2013-10-17 12:33:00 PM  
It's almost not even worth commenting on the article. Big hits are going to happen. Hockey is a collision sport. Just dump tons of punishment on players who target the head and make it hurt them. That's the only thing you can do, short of expanding the size of the rink which is impossible in just about every arena.
 
2013-10-17 12:35:59 PM  

Anderson's Pooper: costermonger: What a wonderful contribution. It's no wonder so many people can't see your posts.

I can see 'em.  They come up in a light lavender color labeled "Paste eater"


I have him labeled as "Dudley Do-Wrong"
 
2013-10-17 12:38:28 PM  

Brakefornobody: Ah, hockey. The game for those who find NASCAR too intellectually challenging.


I live with my mom. Obvious, total lack of subtlety. Amateurish. Go spend some time on the politics tab and learn from the masters.
 
2013-10-17 12:46:17 PM  
Banning hitting and re-naming it Women's Ice Lacross is probably out of the question.
 
2013-10-17 12:48:58 PM  
How about just punch Don Cherry repeatedly in the crotch?
 
2013-10-17 01:03:27 PM  

rjakobi: How about just punch Don Cherry repeatedly in the crotch?


We could've ended the US Government shutdown a week early if we tried that.
 
kab
2013-10-17 01:06:18 PM  

Brakefornobody: Ah, hockey. The game for those who find NASCAR too intellectually challenging.


Hockey players turn to the right, your argument is invalid.
 
kab
2013-10-17 01:10:48 PM  
The easy answer is to remove the instigator rule.   The hand wringing pseudo fans that gasp at the notion of fighting have a plethora of other pro sports to choose from, go jump on another bandwagon.

If I were to write the rulebook, it'd be altered so that if one player is injured by another during a hit, he's out of the game for the same length of time that the injured player is.

Hence, folks like Cooke and Bertuzzi would no longer be active players.

/completely ok with that.
 
2013-10-17 01:13:51 PM  
Injury another player with a bad hit? Automatic season and playoff long suspension.
 
kab
2013-10-17 01:14:39 PM  
Oh, and blatant diving (reviewable after the fact) starts @ a 10 game suspension.
 
2013-10-17 01:17:44 PM  

desertgeek: It's almost not even worth commenting on the article. Big hits are going to happen. Hockey is a collision sport. Just dump tons of punishment on players who target the head and make it hurt them. That's the only thing you can do, short of expanding the size of the rink which is impossible in just about every arena.


with few exceptions, the head hunters are not really point producing players. Thus hurting only the player in question doesn't solve the issue as teams would just bring the next good from minors that can somewhat skate.

I think the idea of shortening the bench for the duration of the suspension is the way to go. GMs and coaches will not bring goons on the squads that will render them short often.
 
2013-10-17 01:27:59 PM  
It would also help if there was any sort of consistency at all.  Kaleta gets 10 games for a questionable hit meanwhile Kessel gets 3 preasons games (a vacation really) for using his stick as a farking weapon.  (The same thing that another player got 25+ games for a few years ago)
 
2013-10-17 01:33:57 PM  

Warlordtrooper: It would also help if there was any sort of consistency at all.  Kaleta gets 10 games for a questionable hit meanwhile Kessel gets 3 preasons games (a vacation really) for using his stick as a farking weapon.  (The same thing that another player got 25+ games for a few years ago)


It's consistently inconsistent, does that count?
 
2013-10-17 01:34:09 PM  
I don't think you can just eliminate the instigator rule, but I would like to see one change made to it.

Pisses me off to no end when someone throws a hard clean hit, and then has to duck and cover from the rest of the team going after him. I think the instigator should still apply in that case, in fact I think the punishment for instigating after a clean hit should involve match penalty and additional game suspension.

But if someone throws a dirty check (especially to the head), then no instigator punishment. All punishment could be reviewed again after the game if match penalty was assessed and should not have been, just like when ref misses original call for dirty hit and Shanny then gives a suspension.
 
2013-10-17 01:37:11 PM  

Warlordtrooper: It would also help if there was any sort of consistency at all.  Kaleta gets 10 games for a questionable hit meanwhile Kessel gets 3 preasons games (a vacation really) for using his stick as a farking weapon.  (The same thing that another player got 25+ games for a few years ago)


So Crosby and Giroux should get 10 + games for spearing each other a few seasons a go? And Jackman last night? And Corey Perry for all of his spears? Ovechkins even speared a guy. Lets suspend the whole league!
 
2013-10-17 01:40:08 PM  

Tyrub: I don't think you can just eliminate the instigator rule, but I would like to see one change made to it.

Pisses me off to no end when someone throws a hard clean hit, and then has to duck and cover from the rest of the team going after him. I think the instigator should still apply in that case, in fact I think the punishment for instigating after a clean hit should involve match penalty and additional game suspension.

But if someone throws a dirty check (especially to the head), then no instigator punishment. All punishment could be reviewed again after the game if match penalty was assessed and should not have been, just like when ref misses original call for dirty hit and Shanny then gives a suspension.


What if a 3rd or 4th liner throws a clean hit that injures your top scorer? You don't think there should be a fight? I do. I don't care if its clean. A guy that barely plays just took out my best player. All bets are off.
 
2013-10-17 01:41:51 PM  
This is exactly the same thing as a spear, you're right.
 
2013-10-17 01:45:08 PM  

costermonger: This is exactly the same thing as a spear, you're right.


This, dammit..

images.ctvdigital.com
 
2013-10-17 01:46:05 PM  
Whatever the player gets fined, the club gets fined triple.
 
2013-10-17 01:47:51 PM  

costermonger: costermonger: This is exactly the same thing as a spear, you're right.

This, dammit..

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You can't even tell if he hit Scott in the video. And Scott doesn't even wince or go down theres so much padding down there. But LOL at your pathetic attempts at demonizing the thrill.
 
2013-10-17 01:54:41 PM  
They could also work something on like penalizing teams 2 points in the standings for every 5 games of suspensions accumulated. Combined with heavy suspensions on blatant hits would probably get most of the idiots out of the league pretty quick. Also makes the punishment actually hurt the offending team, always frustrating seeing a 4th line goon injure another teams star. Sure they end up sitting out, but the effect to their team is negligible.
 
2013-10-17 01:57:44 PM  

ontariolightning: Shouldn't CBS be more concerned about Football? Half the posters in this thread aren't even actual fans of hockey. If you aren't a serious fan of hockey you can just shut up and concentrate on a sport you do care about. Hockey doesn't need more Americans trying to change a game they don't watch.  I agree with axing the instigator rule FWIW.


Just for that, I AM watching Hockey now and I WILL change ALL YOUR RULES!!! Punk!!
 
2013-10-17 01:59:00 PM  
ontariolightning:  But LOL at your pathetic attempts at demonizing the thrill.

Not so much demonizing the thrill, simply calling out PhilK as the spineless little biatch he is.  Taking two handed swings against an opponent when at least two of your teammates have already engaged him is the act of a complete pussy.  And the spear at the end of it was the icing on the shiatcake.  I didn't think it was possible for me to hate a Leafs player more than I hated Darcy "Mother" Tucker, but there you go.
 
2013-10-17 02:17:15 PM  
Ontariolightning;   Goon can still go after the 3rd liner that hit your star player cleanly, but he gets the suspension. Lets get back to "taking the number" of the guy that hit you and getting him with a hit later. In my books any player, whether a star or a journeyman that can't take a clean hit shouldn't be on the ice.
 
2013-10-17 02:25:30 PM  

ontariolightning: You can't even tell if he hit Scott in the video. And Scott doesn't even wince or go down theres so much padding down there. But LOL at your pathetic attempts at demonizing the thrill.


Defending the stick-as-broadsword move and accusing me of being pathetic is impressively ironic. I always thought you were just a moron, but now I'm forced to consider that you're actually trying..
 
2013-10-17 02:34:46 PM  

costermonger: Defending the stick-as-broadsword move and accusing me of being pathetic is impressively ironic. I always thought you were just a moron, but now I'm forced to consider that you're actually trying..


What I've always thought about OL...
 
2013-10-17 02:37:48 PM  
Damn not previewing...
 
2013-10-17 02:52:25 PM  
A lot of people here are making this out to be a way to remove hitting from the sport.  Stupid.  That's not the point, nor the goal.  Punish teams for senseless, dirty hits and the people that perpetuate those hits get out of the league as no one will sign them.  There is nothing wrong with a clean hit.


Nana's Vibrator: This, of course, lives on the assumption that these guys all have their heads with them at all times. Half the penalties in the league seem to be a result of not having your head on straight.


If you can't keep your shiat together, perhaps you shouldn't be paid hundreds of thousands or millions of dollars to play a game.  You lose your head in the street and you go to jail.
 
2013-10-17 03:25:31 PM  
Flags for football
Tees for baseball
No touching in Hockey
NASCAR, keep it under 30 mph
Basketball, you just need to concentrate on paying your child support.

Don't like the sport? Have a problem with the rules? Don't watch it. Don't feel the need to enlighten others with your fresh perspective on something you've never been involved in yet somehow have all the answers to.
 
2013-10-17 03:31:44 PM  
WhiskeySticks:

Don't like the sport? Have a problem with the rules? Don't watch it. Don't feel the need to enlighten others with your fresh perspective on something you've never been involved in yet somehow have all the answers to.

Some mighty fine assuming there
 
2013-10-17 03:32:57 PM  

ontariolightning: Warlordtrooper: It would also help if there was any sort of consistency at all.  Kaleta gets 10 games for a questionable hit meanwhile Kessel gets 3 preasons games (a vacation really) for using his stick as a farking weapon.  (The same thing that another player got 25+ games for a few years ago)

So Crosby and Giroux should get 10 + games for spearing each other a few seasons a go? And Jackman last night? And Corey Perry for all of his spears? Ovechkins even speared a guy. Lets suspend the whole league!


Or perhaps guys like Kaleta should be given the same suspensions you would give Crosby for the same infractions.
 
2013-10-17 03:36:32 PM  
Let's not lose sight of the fact that Maxim Lapierre is a huge twat. He's not even a very good agitator in the sense of specifically drawing penalties from opposing scorers; he literally just skates around looking to annoy whomever he can with little purpose or function.
 
2013-10-17 03:43:43 PM  
Such a dumb non-solution.  Do you really think players are afraid of goons?  Of players that do nothing but fight?  So afraid that they will change their nightly game in order avoid them because of a slight rule change?

I don't.  These players hit and get hit by these players on a nightly basis.  They block shots that seriously injure players on a nightly basis.  They take bad hit all the time.  The savior of skilled players is a fist?  Seriously?

This is arguing for the dumbing down of the game.  Arguing that every skilled line has a knuckledragger willing to pound someone for looking at the star player wrong.  It's dumb, it's stupid, and it doesn't remotely fix the problem.  You think Matt Cooke or Patrick Kaleta is going to change their ways because they might get fed a knuckle sandwich?  Such a stupid solution.

I say this as a fan of the Boston Bruins, a team that would benefit tremendously from such a 'fix',  Yeah sure, change the rules so Lucic can pound anyone he wants.  There won't be any columns complaining about him gooning it up after giving him absolutely free reign will there?
 
2013-10-17 03:50:15 PM  

Hastor: There won't be any columns complaining about him gooning it up after giving him absolutely free reign will there?


To be fair, somebody out there is going to complain about EVERYTHING that can possibly happen.

Hell, a comet could flatten the Flyers entire team and organizational structure tomorrow, and somebody would be on the internet saying that Bettman made it happen to let the Flyers get out from under Prongers contract.
 
2013-10-17 04:00:51 PM  
Define "bad"
 
2013-10-17 04:04:20 PM  

FightDirector: Hastor: There won't be any columns complaining about him gooning it up after giving him absolutely free reign will there?

To be fair, somebody out there is going to complain about EVERYTHING that can possibly happen.

Hell, a comet could flatten the Flyers entire team and organizational structure tomorrow


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2013-10-17 04:08:34 PM  
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2013-10-17 05:43:49 PM  
The NHL could easily create a dirty hits committee and have them review and levy fines/suspensions for dirty hits ON THE TEAM, not the player and make it count toward salary cap ($ to be put toward the players' retirement/medical fund).  That would sure as hell incentivize teams to keep their players clean, and not bring up a dirty goon from the minors. It would even make them think twice about keeping loose-cannon hot-heads who might be good skill players but might cost you $200k extra over 2 seasons.
 
2013-10-17 07:16:09 PM  
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2013-10-17 07:38:22 PM  

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2013-10-17 07:51:21 PM  
I have the feed up, but will only be watching sporadically. Please PLEASE someone else get a screenshot.

Incidentally, fatalvenom, I've actually got a couple friends at the game tonight. Told them to act as sentinels. You're at the end boards somewhere just behind the net, right?
 
2013-10-17 07:56:31 PM  

ds_4815: I have the feed up, but will only be watching sporadically. Please PLEASE someone else get a screenshot.

Incidentally, fatalvenom, I've actually got a couple friends at the game tonight. Told them to act as sentinels. You're at the end boards somewhere just behind the net, right?


Corner on the side of the panther's bench
 
2013-10-17 08:00:48 PM  

fatalvenom: ds_4815: I have the feed up, but will only be watching sporadically. Please PLEASE someone else get a screenshot.

Incidentally, fatalvenom, I've actually got a couple friends at the game tonight. Told them to act as sentinels. You're at the end boards somewhere just behind the net, right?

Corner on the side of the panther's bench


Tell the jackass in the other corner to stop banging on the glass.
 
2013-10-17 08:02:59 PM  

fatalvenom: OK, I made it through security and the ticket lady and they said nothing about my sign.

It's on biatches!!!


Just saw you!

Thanks, free Center Ice.
 
2013-10-17 08:04:45 PM  

ytterbium: fatalvenom: OK, I made it through security and the ticket lady and they said nothing about my sign.

It's on biatches!!!

Just saw you!

Thanks, free Center Ice.


On the second goal?
 
2013-10-17 08:05:07 PM  
Saw it. Wide angle though.
 
2013-10-17 08:06:23 PM  

fatalvenom: ytterbium: fatalvenom: OK, I made it through security and the ticket lady and they said nothing about my sign.

It's on biatches!!!

Just saw you!

Thanks, free Center Ice.

On the second goal?


Seeing as though the entire game is being played in front of Thomas, you've been visible for awhile.
 
2013-10-17 08:09:57 PM  
Extremely crappy screen, but it's him!

i.imgur.com
 
2013-10-17 08:10:59 PM  

ds_4815: Extremely crappy screen, but it's him!

[i.imgur.com image 593x318]


It's something, at least. Let's hope we get a better image before the night is out.
 
2013-10-17 08:13:12 PM  

desertgeek: ds_4815: Extremely crappy screen, but it's him!

[i.imgur.com image 593x318]

It's something, at least. Let's hope we get a better image before the night is out.


Is anyone DVR'ing and could get some HD screens like in the playoff threads?
 
2013-10-17 08:14:59 PM  
All the Bruins fans in my section are tripping out laughing at the sign.

This is the last time I do this because everyone in the concourse has to stop and take a pic with me.
 
2013-10-17 08:17:05 PM  

ds_4815: Extremely crappy screen, but it's him!

[i.imgur.com image 593x318]


That definitely is funnier than the Fire Darcy! signs I saw at the Sabres game last Thursday.
 
2013-10-17 08:23:29 PM  

fatalvenom: All the Bruins fans in my section are tripping out laughing at the sign.

This is the last time I do this because everyone in the concourse has to stop and take a pic with me.


Tell them a Leafs fan gave you the idea.


please.
 
2013-10-17 08:23:43 PM  
Haha. So awesome.
 
2013-10-17 08:26:12 PM  
Meanwhile, Taylor Hall has 2 goals 8 seconds apart tonight. That's being an Oilers record that was held by Gretzky.
 
2013-10-17 08:26:47 PM  
Fark my typo in there, but you know what I meant.
 
2013-10-17 08:29:00 PM  

desertgeek: Meanwhile, Taylor Hall has 2 goals 8 seconds apart tonight. That's being an Oilers record that was held by Gretzky.


Good for Edmonton.


Ryan Miler has the Oilers on his no trade list.

Bad for Edmonton.
 
2013-10-17 08:32:04 PM  
Oh and Dave Bolland now has 6 points in 7 games.  The hell is going on around here?
 
2013-10-17 08:43:08 PM  
Flappyhead

Ryan Miler has the Oilers on his no trade list.
Bad for Edmonton.


          I think they need a defenceman or two...just sayin'
 
2013-10-17 08:58:50 PM  

New Age Redneck: Flappyhead

Ryan Miler has the Oilers on his no trade list.
Bad for Edmonton.

          I think they need a defenceman or two...just sayin'


I thought it was obvious by now, Oilers management is allergic to drafting blueliners.
 
2013-10-17 09:06:50 PM  
Let's put toilet water in it
 
2013-10-17 09:07:41 PM  
Flappyhead

I thought it was obvious by now, Oilers management is allergic to drafting blueliners.

   Trade one of the kids....I mean they can come in last again and draft a d-man who will take a few years to develop.....and draft another one next year.....
 
2013-10-17 09:15:23 PM  
Damn McCloud just board Kronwall hard.  Ouch.
 
2013-10-17 09:16:02 PM  
OMG it's the Sharks/Blues all over again. Kronwall just got Kronwalled and he's being takeoff on a stretcher, just over 2 minutes in.
 
2013-10-17 09:20:07 PM  

ytterbium: OMG it's the Sharks/Blues all over again. Kronwall just got Kronwalled and he's being takeoff on a stretcher, just over 2 minutes in.


Mcleod of the Clan McLeod says there can only be one.
 
2013-10-17 09:24:59 PM  
I can probably grab a decent shot of the sign if somebody who's watching the game points me at a general time... I'm busy watching the Sens trying to boost their PK percentage against the Debils
 
2013-10-17 09:31:08 PM  
Down Goes Brown @DownGoesBrown
Leafs just gave up a goal that's being reviewed to see whether it was icing. I'm not making that up.
 
2013-10-17 09:35:31 PM  

desertgeek: Down Goes Brown @DownGoesBrown
Leafs just gave up a goal that's being reviewed to see whether it was icing. I'm not making that up.


Yeah, Reimer got taken out by his own guy (Leivo I think) about 30 seconds into the game, then Bernier just now missed clearing a board bounce which went off his skate and in. The 3rd period meltdown rule is in full effect.
 
2013-10-17 11:38:25 PM  

desertgeek: Down Goes Brown @DownGoesBrown
Leafs just gave up a goal that's being reviewed to see whether it was icing. I'm not making that up.


Someone at EA just took a memo, "add that to the to-do list for NHL 15, that'll really annoy the hell out of people..."
 
2013-10-18 01:03:26 AM  

ytterbium: OMG it's the Sharks/Blues all over again. Kronwall just got Kronwalled and he's being takeoff on a stretcher, just over 2 minutes in.


Kronwall shouldn't have put himself in that situation, but it's not like he turned at the last minute. The Avs guy saw the back of Kronwall's sweater the whole time, and still sent Kronwall's head into the glass. Not smart on either side.
 
2013-10-18 01:09:12 AM  
The Kronwall hit. I'd say that without knowing all of McLeod's history, that's worth 2-3 games minimum. Kronwall was in a tough spot there, but it was clearly an avoidable hit. McLeod was given a major for boarding and a game misconduct.
 
2013-10-18 04:19:24 AM  
As a Sabres fan I'm as fed up with Kaleta's "incidents" as anyone, and would be just as happy to see him off the team at this point.  Buffalo native or no, he's not helping.

The thing that frustrates me the most - a lot of fans around the league say that Kaleta is just a goon with no hockey skills who doesn't belong in the league, but that's not actually true.  He does have hockey skills.  He's an excellent penalty killer and a pretty good defensive forward who can chip in the occasional goal.  And his ratio of drawing penalties to taking penalties has usually been near the top of the league.

My point is, with his skill set he could be a very effective player in the league if he could just control himself and stop going over the line.
 
2013-10-18 04:21:49 AM  
Oh and also, TANK TANK TANK.

Sabres tank season.  Maybe we can finally get that #1 overall pick.
 
2013-10-18 05:46:19 AM  
Subby here...I submitted this at 3 or 4 in the morning and didn't think it would actually get posted since I figured Fark may not want another thread about violence in hockey that has nothing to do with fighting that eventually turns into a pro/anti-fighting thread.
That being said...hockey is a physical and violent game.  What drives me nuts as a hockey fan is the overall lack of accountability against people who deliberately go out to try to injure their opponent with unsportsmanlike and generally sociopathic behavior on account of the players.  There is a big difference between a clean hit that results in an injury, a guy finishing a check that ends up resulting in an unintended injury due to the physics in the game and someone deciding that they are going to take someone out because they can and because they don't have enough respect for the game and the consequences of their actions to decide not to finish or more importantly start the hit.
Back before they took away the discretion and the ability of players to police the conduct of the game players knew that if they had their stick too high or hit someone in a where the clear intent was to injure their opponent that person knew they would have to suffer the consequences of their actions.  If you decided to take out an opposing player you had better be ready to drop the gloves and be ready to have your teammates get punched a few teams because you decided to be a prick and do something that wasn't within the spirit of the game. That is a core component of why fighting exists in hockey and if they ever take that away from the game completely these types of injuries will escalate because it's easier to pay a fine and sit for a few games than to have your team pissed off at you because you did something that's going to get them to have to defend your actions.  Especially with mandatory helmets (which I agree with) it causes problems in that if players feel that their head is protected they don't think about the fact that the person they are hitting may not be due to the nature of the hit.
Fighting exists in hockey for a reason and it with the people who fight who understand why fighting is part of hockey and not just an opportunity to fight it's a valuable tool to cut down on a lot of the more dangerous aspects of hockey.  It's not like hockey exists as something people do between fistfights but if players aren't allowed to defend themselves and their teammates they are a lot more likely to leave the game on a stretcher than through the tunnel.  A fight where two players drop the gloves is a lot more like a boxing match than an assault on the street, both are willing participants and they made a decision to punch someone in the face and get punched in return and there is a big difference between two guys squaring off and one guy just deciding to assault another player because he's upset about something else in the game.

/Never played organized hockey
//Played hockey growing up, we fought...and then went back to playing hockey
 
2013-10-18 05:51:12 AM  
I'm also glad that my attempt at trolling the anti-fighting crowd worked...if you don't like fighting in hockey there are multiple levels of hockey that don't allow it.  Feel free to watch college hockey, high school, your local bantam team...just don't try to ruin the NHL because you think fighting is barbaric because it's not.  It's part of the game whether you like it or not and if it upsets you that much don't watch the game.  It's like lobbying baseball to make sliding illegal because you are offended by dirt and grass stains.
 
2013-10-18 08:42:15 AM  

kab: If I were to write the rulebook, it'd be altered so that if one player is injured by another during a hit, he's out of the game for the same length of time that the injured player is.


I like this idea, it seems logical to me but it'll never happen. Logic is frowned upon by the owners.
 
2013-10-18 08:43:33 AM  

fatalvenom: OK, I made it through security and the ticket lady and they said nothing about my sign.

It's on biatches!!!


Awesome.
 
2013-10-18 09:15:18 AM  

Primitive Screwhead: kab: If I were to write the rulebook, it'd be altered so that if one player is injured by another during a hit, he's out of the game for the same length of time that the injured player is.

I like this idea, it seems logical to me but it'll never happen. Logic is frowned upon by the owners.


That's a terrible idea.  You should punish the action, not the outcome.

What about a play that's a dirty hit but the target is uninjured and doesn't miss any time?  Kaleta was just suspended 10 games for an illegal hit on Jack Johnson.  But Johnson wasn't hurt and didn't even miss a shift.  Heck, there wasn't even a penalty on the play.  Are you saying that since there was no injury, there should be no suspension on Kaleta?

Conversely, sometimes players make a clean open-ice hit but the target may fall awkwardly and get injured.  Should that player be suspended for his clean check?  What if the player he hits is an older player who breaks a leg or something and decides to retire rather than attempt to come back again?  Should the player that made the clean hit also have his career ended?
 
2013-10-18 09:40:20 AM  
McLeod has been offered an in person hearing for last night's boarding of Kronwall
 
2013-10-18 09:58:03 AM  
Here's one last pic. It wasn't from the broadcast, but I DVR'd the game and I'll watch it later today and see if I can find anything worth saving.

i1045.photobucket.com
 
2013-10-18 09:58:50 AM  

Doc Daneeka: Primitive Screwhead: kab: If I were to write the rulebook, it'd be altered so that if one player is injured by another during a hit, he's out of the game for the same length of time that the injured player is.

I like this idea, it seems logical to me but it'll never happen. Logic is frowned upon by the owners.

That's a terrible idea.  You should punish the action, not the outcome.

What about a play that's a dirty hit but the target is uninjured and doesn't miss any time?  Kaleta was just suspended 10 games for an illegal hit on Jack Johnson.  But Johnson wasn't hurt and didn't even miss a shift.  Heck, there wasn't even a penalty on the play.  Are you saying that since there was no injury, there should be no suspension on Kaleta?

Conversely, sometimes players make a clean open-ice hit but the target may fall awkwardly and get injured.  Should that player be suspended for his clean check?  What if the player he hits is an older player who breaks a leg or something and decides to retire rather than attempt to come back again?  Should the player that made the clean hit also have his career ended?


Don't be daft.


I'm pretty sure we were talking about intentional hits where serious injury occurs and Yes there should be a suspension for intent to injure even if no injury occurs.
 
2013-10-18 09:59:40 AM  

fatalvenom: Here's one last pic. It wasn't from the broadcast, but I DVR'd the game and I'll watch it later today and see if I can find anything worth saving.

[i1045.photobucket.com image 768x1024]


Well done, sir!
 
2013-10-18 01:35:20 PM  

fatalvenom: Here's one last pic. It wasn't from the broadcast, but I DVR'd the game and I'll watch it later today and see if I can find anything worth saving.

[i1045.photobucket.com image 768x1024]


i.imgur.com
 
2013-10-18 10:17:38 PM  

fatalvenom: Here's one last pic. It wasn't from the broadcast, but I DVR'd the game and I'll watch it later today and see if I can find anything worth saving.

[i1045.photobucket.com image 768x1024]


Didn't know Brent Burns was a B's fan . . . ;)

Seriously, there were a couple of decent shots except for a stanchion in the way just in the standard NHL.com highlight reel, I'm sure you'll get a good still at some point.
 
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