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2013-10-17 09:20:07 PM

ytterbium: OMG it's the Sharks/Blues all over again. Kronwall just got Kronwalled and he's being takeoff on a stretcher, just over 2 minutes in.


Mcleod of the Clan McLeod says there can only be one.
 
2013-10-17 09:24:59 PM
I can probably grab a decent shot of the sign if somebody who's watching the game points me at a general time... I'm busy watching the Sens trying to boost their PK percentage against the Debils
 
2013-10-17 09:31:08 PM
Down Goes Brown @DownGoesBrown
Leafs just gave up a goal that's being reviewed to see whether it was icing. I'm not making that up.
 
2013-10-17 09:35:31 PM

desertgeek: Down Goes Brown @DownGoesBrown
Leafs just gave up a goal that's being reviewed to see whether it was icing. I'm not making that up.


Yeah, Reimer got taken out by his own guy (Leivo I think) about 30 seconds into the game, then Bernier just now missed clearing a board bounce which went off his skate and in. The 3rd period meltdown rule is in full effect.
 
2013-10-17 11:38:25 PM

desertgeek: Down Goes Brown @DownGoesBrown
Leafs just gave up a goal that's being reviewed to see whether it was icing. I'm not making that up.


Someone at EA just took a memo, "add that to the to-do list for NHL 15, that'll really annoy the hell out of people..."
 
2013-10-18 01:03:26 AM

ytterbium: OMG it's the Sharks/Blues all over again. Kronwall just got Kronwalled and he's being takeoff on a stretcher, just over 2 minutes in.


Kronwall shouldn't have put himself in that situation, but it's not like he turned at the last minute. The Avs guy saw the back of Kronwall's sweater the whole time, and still sent Kronwall's head into the glass. Not smart on either side.
 
2013-10-18 01:09:12 AM
The Kronwall hit. I'd say that without knowing all of McLeod's history, that's worth 2-3 games minimum. Kronwall was in a tough spot there, but it was clearly an avoidable hit. McLeod was given a major for boarding and a game misconduct.
 
2013-10-18 04:19:24 AM
As a Sabres fan I'm as fed up with Kaleta's "incidents" as anyone, and would be just as happy to see him off the team at this point.  Buffalo native or no, he's not helping.

The thing that frustrates me the most - a lot of fans around the league say that Kaleta is just a goon with no hockey skills who doesn't belong in the league, but that's not actually true.  He does have hockey skills.  He's an excellent penalty killer and a pretty good defensive forward who can chip in the occasional goal.  And his ratio of drawing penalties to taking penalties has usually been near the top of the league.

My point is, with his skill set he could be a very effective player in the league if he could just control himself and stop going over the line.
 
2013-10-18 04:21:49 AM
Oh and also, TANK TANK TANK.

Sabres tank season.  Maybe we can finally get that #1 overall pick.
 
2013-10-18 05:46:19 AM
Subby here...I submitted this at 3 or 4 in the morning and didn't think it would actually get posted since I figured Fark may not want another thread about violence in hockey that has nothing to do with fighting that eventually turns into a pro/anti-fighting thread.
That being said...hockey is a physical and violent game.  What drives me nuts as a hockey fan is the overall lack of accountability against people who deliberately go out to try to injure their opponent with unsportsmanlike and generally sociopathic behavior on account of the players.  There is a big difference between a clean hit that results in an injury, a guy finishing a check that ends up resulting in an unintended injury due to the physics in the game and someone deciding that they are going to take someone out because they can and because they don't have enough respect for the game and the consequences of their actions to decide not to finish or more importantly start the hit.
Back before they took away the discretion and the ability of players to police the conduct of the game players knew that if they had their stick too high or hit someone in a where the clear intent was to injure their opponent that person knew they would have to suffer the consequences of their actions.  If you decided to take out an opposing player you had better be ready to drop the gloves and be ready to have your teammates get punched a few teams because you decided to be a prick and do something that wasn't within the spirit of the game. That is a core component of why fighting exists in hockey and if they ever take that away from the game completely these types of injuries will escalate because it's easier to pay a fine and sit for a few games than to have your team pissed off at you because you did something that's going to get them to have to defend your actions.  Especially with mandatory helmets (which I agree with) it causes problems in that if players feel that their head is protected they don't think about the fact that the person they are hitting may not be due to the nature of the hit.
Fighting exists in hockey for a reason and it with the people who fight who understand why fighting is part of hockey and not just an opportunity to fight it's a valuable tool to cut down on a lot of the more dangerous aspects of hockey.  It's not like hockey exists as something people do between fistfights but if players aren't allowed to defend themselves and their teammates they are a lot more likely to leave the game on a stretcher than through the tunnel.  A fight where two players drop the gloves is a lot more like a boxing match than an assault on the street, both are willing participants and they made a decision to punch someone in the face and get punched in return and there is a big difference between two guys squaring off and one guy just deciding to assault another player because he's upset about something else in the game.

/Never played organized hockey
//Played hockey growing up, we fought...and then went back to playing hockey
 
2013-10-18 05:51:12 AM
I'm also glad that my attempt at trolling the anti-fighting crowd worked...if you don't like fighting in hockey there are multiple levels of hockey that don't allow it.  Feel free to watch college hockey, high school, your local bantam team...just don't try to ruin the NHL because you think fighting is barbaric because it's not.  It's part of the game whether you like it or not and if it upsets you that much don't watch the game.  It's like lobbying baseball to make sliding illegal because you are offended by dirt and grass stains.
 
2013-10-18 08:42:15 AM

kab: If I were to write the rulebook, it'd be altered so that if one player is injured by another during a hit, he's out of the game for the same length of time that the injured player is.


I like this idea, it seems logical to me but it'll never happen. Logic is frowned upon by the owners.
 
2013-10-18 08:43:33 AM

fatalvenom: OK, I made it through security and the ticket lady and they said nothing about my sign.

It's on biatches!!!


Awesome.
 
2013-10-18 09:15:18 AM

Primitive Screwhead: kab: If I were to write the rulebook, it'd be altered so that if one player is injured by another during a hit, he's out of the game for the same length of time that the injured player is.

I like this idea, it seems logical to me but it'll never happen. Logic is frowned upon by the owners.


That's a terrible idea.  You should punish the action, not the outcome.

What about a play that's a dirty hit but the target is uninjured and doesn't miss any time?  Kaleta was just suspended 10 games for an illegal hit on Jack Johnson.  But Johnson wasn't hurt and didn't even miss a shift.  Heck, there wasn't even a penalty on the play.  Are you saying that since there was no injury, there should be no suspension on Kaleta?

Conversely, sometimes players make a clean open-ice hit but the target may fall awkwardly and get injured.  Should that player be suspended for his clean check?  What if the player he hits is an older player who breaks a leg or something and decides to retire rather than attempt to come back again?  Should the player that made the clean hit also have his career ended?
 
2013-10-18 09:40:20 AM
McLeod has been offered an in person hearing for last night's boarding of Kronwall
 
2013-10-18 09:58:03 AM
Here's one last pic. It wasn't from the broadcast, but I DVR'd the game and I'll watch it later today and see if I can find anything worth saving.

i1045.photobucket.com
 
2013-10-18 09:58:50 AM

Doc Daneeka: Primitive Screwhead: kab: If I were to write the rulebook, it'd be altered so that if one player is injured by another during a hit, he's out of the game for the same length of time that the injured player is.

I like this idea, it seems logical to me but it'll never happen. Logic is frowned upon by the owners.

That's a terrible idea.  You should punish the action, not the outcome.

What about a play that's a dirty hit but the target is uninjured and doesn't miss any time?  Kaleta was just suspended 10 games for an illegal hit on Jack Johnson.  But Johnson wasn't hurt and didn't even miss a shift.  Heck, there wasn't even a penalty on the play.  Are you saying that since there was no injury, there should be no suspension on Kaleta?

Conversely, sometimes players make a clean open-ice hit but the target may fall awkwardly and get injured.  Should that player be suspended for his clean check?  What if the player he hits is an older player who breaks a leg or something and decides to retire rather than attempt to come back again?  Should the player that made the clean hit also have his career ended?


Don't be daft.


I'm pretty sure we were talking about intentional hits where serious injury occurs and Yes there should be a suspension for intent to injure even if no injury occurs.
 
2013-10-18 09:59:40 AM

fatalvenom: Here's one last pic. It wasn't from the broadcast, but I DVR'd the game and I'll watch it later today and see if I can find anything worth saving.

[i1045.photobucket.com image 768x1024]


Well done, sir!
 
2013-10-18 01:35:20 PM

fatalvenom: Here's one last pic. It wasn't from the broadcast, but I DVR'd the game and I'll watch it later today and see if I can find anything worth saving.

[i1045.photobucket.com image 768x1024]


i.imgur.com
 
2013-10-18 10:17:38 PM

fatalvenom: Here's one last pic. It wasn't from the broadcast, but I DVR'd the game and I'll watch it later today and see if I can find anything worth saving.

[i1045.photobucket.com image 768x1024]


Didn't know Brent Burns was a B's fan . . . ;)

Seriously, there were a couple of decent shots except for a stanchion in the way just in the standard NHL.com highlight reel, I'm sure you'll get a good still at some point.
 
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