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(New York Daily News)   NFL fines Bears Brandon Marshall $10,500 for wearing green shoes in honor of mental health awareness. That's just crazy   (nydailynews.com) divider line 85
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2013-10-17 01:28:07 PM

wjllope: He has mental health issues (bipolar disorder IIRC)
He said he was going to do this before the game.
He is perfectly happy paying this small (to him) fine, and he must've known it would happen.
The fine and subsequent discussions in the media public forums like this one only draws more attention to his cause, which is all he wanted anyway.

/nothing to see here.


I say good for Marshall. Mental illness is the black sheep of donation causes and it ought to be higher up on a lot of our lists. In my opinion anyway.
 
2013-10-17 01:29:43 PM

Super Chronic: Beeblebrox: Super Chronic: What does green have to do with mental illness?

What does pink have to do with cancer?

At least pink has been pretty well-branded over the years by the Komen foundation, and people readily associate it with the cause. You seek a pink ribbon on a lapel pin and you instantly know what it's for. I've never heard of any organization that links green with mental illness.


http://www.greenribbonadvocates.com/Celebrate-NCMHAD-2012.html
 
2013-10-17 01:33:31 PM
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What shoes for the mentally ill might look like
 
2013-10-17 01:44:39 PM
The reason the NFL can't allow his green shoes is because otherwise it would set a precedent that shifts the NFL towards being like NASCAR.  You nit pick about the little shiat to start because one dude wearing green shoes for a great cause might become 20 dudes wearing GoldenPalace.com pants.

Brandon Marshall gets a lot of good exposure here in Chicago, he gives an entertaining press conference/interview.  He has an easy platform to get his message out on mental health awareness without wearing green shoes during the game.
 
2013-10-17 01:48:25 PM

lennavan: The reason the NFL can't allow his green shoes is because otherwise it would set a precedent that shifts the NFL towards being like NASCAR.  You nit pick about the little shiat to start because one dude wearing green shoes for a great cause might become 20 dudes wearing GoldenPalace.com pants.

Brandon Marshall gets a lot of good exposure here in Chicago, he gives an entertaining press conference/interview.  He has an easy platform to get his message out on mental health awareness without wearing green shoes during the game.


Meh - with the mix and match pink pink crap and throwback uniforms it already looks like nascar.
 
2013-10-17 01:56:58 PM

Dr. Kefarkian: Maybe I missed the joke, but I think that "A League of Denial" is about all the NFL wants to do with mental illnesses for quite some time.

Second, I recently became aware that September is Prostate Cancer Awareness month.  Anybody notice any type of ribbons or banners or walks or any type of shiat for this?  I thought it might be relevant to the NFL's interests since a staggering amount of people on the field at any given point in time are susceptible to prostate cancer.

But that's just me ... or maybe I missed the joke ... I dunno

And if you think this fine is unreasonable, check out Ndomakong Suh'shiat on Brandon Weeden:

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/24092111/nfl-reviewing- nd amukong-suhs-hit-on-brandon-weeden

He's 35k lighter for that.  Let that sink in for a minute ...

This game is becoming a joke, and we're the punchline.


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2013-10-17 01:58:10 PM

lennavan: he gives an entertaining press conference/interview


I think you are confusing him with Bennett.
 
2013-10-17 02:05:15 PM

lennavan: The reason the NFL can't allow his green shoes is because otherwise it would set a precedent that shifts the NFL towards being like NASCAR.  You nit pick about the little shiat to start because one dude wearing green shoes for a great cause might become 20 dudes wearing GoldenPalace.com pants.

Brandon Marshall gets a lot of good exposure here in Chicago, he gives an entertaining press conference/interview.  He has an easy platform to get his message out on mental health awareness without wearing green shoes during the game.


I don't live in Chicago. I didn't watch the Bears play the Giants last Thursday. If it weren't for him wearing green shoes during the game and him getting fined for it, I never would have heard about his mental health activism because nobody would have ever reported on it.

And the NFL opened themselves up to this by letting/mandating players wear pink to raise awareness of breast cancer. What's so special about breast cancer that we can raise awareness of that disease compared to the whole spectrum of mental illnesses? I complain about people using the slippery slope fallacy all the time, but this is one case where the slippery slope clearly seems to apply because they are both AMA-recognized diseases. There's nothing saying the NFL couldn't let players raise awareness of other recognized ailments like, say, Crohn's disease or multiple sclerosis other than them insisting breast cancer is more deserving of awareness than every other disease on the planet.
 
2013-10-17 02:12:36 PM

scottydoesntknow: Beeblebrox: Super Chronic: What does green have to do with mental illness?

What does pink have to do with cancer?

Areolas are pink


Caucasian areolas are pink. Not everyone's.
 
2013-10-17 02:12:49 PM

skrame: UNC_Samurai: Beeblebrox: Super Chronic: What does green have to do with mental illness?

What does pink have to do with cancer?

It wasn't even pink to begin with; it was peach.

"Think before you pink" was not the website I expected when I clicked on it. I figured it was a pre-marital sex awareness site.


That's "Pink Before You Stink".
 
2013-10-17 02:39:16 PM

LessO2: If you truly want to call attention to mental illness, show it elsewhere. Do some volunteer work at an institution or something, hell you might even get a photo-op out of it.


Brandon Marshall has his own foundation that partners with mental health groups and services.  I say good for him, mental illness is shamefully swept under the rug in this country, and relative to its prevalence, receivers virtually no recognition.  Marshall has had a rough road, and it's great to see someone overcome that kind of adversity in the way he has.  He was in the limousine with Darrent Williams when he was shot, and this happened before he was diagnosed and received treatment for BPD.

I hope he wears green shoes this Sunday, too.  fark the NFL.
 
2013-10-17 02:52:07 PM

Saiga410: lennavan: he gives an entertaining press conference/interview

I think you are confusing him with Bennett.


Nope.

Serious Black: And the NFL opened themselves up to this


I think you have the wrong perspective.  The NFL went from promoting zero causes to promoting one worthy cause.  Rather than celebrate the NFL promoting a worthy cause, you went ahead and looked that gift horse in the mouth.  I think that's wrong to do.

Serious Black: There's nothing saying the NFL couldn't let players raise awareness of other recognized ailments like, say, Crohn's disease or multiple sclerosis other than them insisting breast cancer is more deserving of awareness than every other disease on the planet.


If everyone on the field is promoting something different, then nothing really gets promoted.  One unifying message is significantly better than 200 different messages all at once.  The NFL lets its players raise awareness on whatever the hell they feel like - there's just one simple rule, you can't do it on the field during game time.  It's not so terrible.  Hell, I work on prostate cancer and I ain't mad.
 
2013-10-17 03:01:25 PM
FARK dont like the boobs but FARK loves the crazies
 
2013-10-17 03:05:14 PM
You want cynical....here you go:

Approximately 8 percent of sales from pink NFL merchandise go toward cancer research, according to a report this week from Business Insider.

The league uses the color on its jerseys and other apparel in an effort to raise money for breast cancer research, but according to the report, the breakdown of how the money from sales of the apparel gets distributed is as follows: 50 percent to the retailer; 37.5 percent to the manufacturer; 8.1 percent to the American Cancer Society for research; 3.24 percent to the administration at the Society; and 1.25 percent to the NFL.

According to ESPN's Darren Rovell, the league "takes a 25% royalty from the wholesale price (1/2 retail), donates 90% of royalty to American Cancer Society." According to the Business Insider report, citing information from the NFL, any money the league makes that is not donated to the American Cancer Society goes directly toward covering the costs of the actual Breast Cancer Awareness program.

It should also be noted that the most common place for pink NFL merchandise to be sold is through the league's online store, individual teams and at the stadiums. Therefore, the NFL or the individual teams act as the retailer in this case and therefore receive a portion of the 50 percent that goes toward the "retailer."
 
2013-10-17 03:05:30 PM

lennavan: I think you have the wrong perspective. The NFL went from promoting zero causes to promoting one worthy cause. Rather than celebrate the NFL promoting a worthy cause, you went ahead and looked that gift horse in the mouth. I think that's wrong to do.


They're promoting a cause because it's a convenient and visible way to market themselves to a female audience.  Excuse us if we think that's incredibly crass.
 
2013-10-17 03:13:00 PM

UNC_Samurai: lennavan: I think you have the wrong perspective. The NFL went from promoting zero causes to promoting one worthy cause. Rather than celebrate the NFL promoting a worthy cause, you went ahead and looked that gift horse in the mouth. I think that's wrong to do.

They're promoting a cause because it's a convenient and visible way to market themselves to a female audience.  Excuse us if we think that's incredibly crass.


And, as pointed out above, a way for them to sell pink crap to people who already bought regular jerseys under the blanket of "awareness", even though they never take 5 minutes of a halftime show to discuss the current state of cancer research and progress that's being made. But apparently we should be celebrating the NFL for finding a way to double its revenues and give a token 8% to the actual "cause".

There is no gift horse here that I can see to look in the mouth.
 
2013-10-17 03:19:53 PM

lennavan: Serious Black: And the NFL opened themselves up to this

I think you have the wrong perspective. The NFL went from promoting zero causes to promoting one worthy cause. Rather than celebrate the NFL promoting a worthy cause, you went ahead and looked that gift horse in the mouth. I think that's wrong to do.


Where in this thread did I bash the NFL for promoting breast cancer awareness? All I ever did was say it's ridiculous to single out one disease as particularly noteworthy and deserving of promotion than any other disease. Breast cancer is a terrible and tragic disease. Guess what? Mental illnesses are also terrible and tragic. So is multiple sclerosis. So is pediatric cancer. So is AIDS.

lennavan: Serious Black: There's nothing saying the NFL couldn't let players raise awareness of other recognized ailments like, say, Crohn's disease or multiple sclerosis other than them insisting breast cancer is more deserving of awareness than every other disease on the planet.

If everyone on the field is promoting something different, then nothing really gets promoted. One unifying message is significantly better than 200 different messages all at once. The NFL lets its players raise awareness on whatever the hell they feel like - there's just one simple rule, you can't do it on the field during game time. It's not so terrible. Hell, I work on prostate cancer and I ain't mad.


You know the movie The Incredibles? Syndrome tells the imprisoned Mr. Incredible about halfway through "When everyone's super, no one will be." It's just as ridiculous a sentiment coming from your fingers as it was coming from his mouth.

I completely disagree that nothing will get promoted. I think it would unleash a ton of interviews from reporters and journalists asking players things like "Hey, you're wearing a grey set of gloves, what are you promoting and why?" And you'd very likely get a ton of personal stories from those players like "Oh, I'm raising awareness of pediatric brain cancer because a kid I adopted as my little brother during college had brain cancer." Those kinds of stories stick with people long after the day is done.

And once again, I am not mad about the NFL raising awareness of a horrible disease. I'm only mad that they feel no other disease deserves promotion in the same manner.

/the hypothetical story I drew up would be Rex Burkhead talking about Jack Hoffman
 
2013-10-17 03:26:34 PM

BunkoSquad: Wow, I can't imagine that the NFL could be against mental health awareness for some reason


Because they're too busy brushing their teeth with superglue? Or blowing their hearts out to preserve their brains for post-mortem study?
 
2013-10-17 03:26:56 PM

Fark It: LessO2: If you truly want to call attention to mental illness, show it elsewhere. Do some volunteer work at an institution or something, hell you might even get a photo-op out of it.

Brandon Marshall has his own foundation that partners with mental health groups and services.  I say good for him, mental illness is shamefully swept under the rug in this country, and relative to its prevalence, receivers virtually no recognition.  Marshall has had a rough road, and it's great to see someone overcome that kind of adversity in the way he has.  He was in the limousine with Darrent Williams when he was shot, and this happened before he was diagnosed and received treatment for BPD.

I hope he wears green shoes this Sunday, too.  fark the NFL.


I'm 100% with you on the state of mental health in this country and where it ranks among politicians (same feeling about education, sadly always either first or second to get cuts).

All I'm saying is that he should stop burning bridges, or else that platform is going to go away fast.
 
2013-10-17 03:28:07 PM

LessO2: Fark It: LessO2: If you truly want to call attention to mental illness, show it elsewhere. Do some volunteer work at an institution or something, hell you might even get a photo-op out of it.

Brandon Marshall has his own foundation that partners with mental health groups and services.  I say good for him, mental illness is shamefully swept under the rug in this country, and relative to its prevalence, receivers virtually no recognition.  Marshall has had a rough road, and it's great to see someone overcome that kind of adversity in the way he has.  He was in the limousine with Darrent Williams when he was shot, and this happened before he was diagnosed and received treatment for BPD.

I hope he wears green shoes this Sunday, too.  fark the NFL.

I'm 100% with you on the state of mental health in this country and where it ranks among politicians (same feeling about education, sadly always either first or second to get cuts).

All I'm saying is that he should stop burning bridges, or else that platform is going to go away fast.


How is what he did an act of burning a bridge exactly?
 
2013-10-17 03:30:18 PM
http://www.sbnation.com/2012/10/26/349 8376/nfl-pink-flags-breast-cance r-charity

The NFL only cares about causes that it can make money off of. Breast cancer awareness for example. Only about $3.50 of every $100 the NFL raises actually goes toward breast cancer research.

Can't do clicky on mobile
 
2013-10-17 03:35:17 PM
How very dare they sell merchandise and give 8% to cancer research. Lets put an end to this now!
 
2013-10-17 03:40:10 PM

mikaloyd: How very dare they sell merchandise and give 8% to cancer research. Lets put an end to this now!


I agree that any amount given to charity is good, but I wish they'd stop calling it "awareness" since I think anyone who has eyes or ears and hasn't been living in a dungeon for 2 decades has heard of breast cancer by now.
 
2013-10-17 04:08:25 PM

mikaloyd: How very dare they sell merchandise and give 8% to cancer research. Lets put an end to this now!


The 8%, while noble, would be better if they decided to donate the 50% of the sales they keep as the 'retailer'.

To me it is like those stories you read about the agencies who spend 75-80% of money raised on the administrative costs.  What that means is there is more money to be made but someone decided they needed to get paid 5 million a year to run the Komen Foundation or United Way. (not that those two pay that much but just as examples)
 
2013-10-17 04:10:45 PM

mikaloyd: How very dare they sell merchandise and give 8% to cancer research. Lets put an end to this now!


It's still pretty cynical. Yes, giving something to charity is better than giving nothing to charity. But I'll bet there are a lot of people who buy the merchandise on the grounds of "hey, it's for a good cause"; they wouldn't buy it if the league hadn't promoted the charitable benefits. They might be surprised to find that less goes to the good cause than they expected.
 
2013-10-17 04:15:13 PM
Curious if anyone has the background on Stand Up 2 Cancer and MLB. From what I've read, SU2C cares a lot more about research than awareness.

And as a female, I'm sick of the pink ribbons, the NFL shoving it down our throats. (Particularly despise SGK, but that's a different thread.) It's a gimmick for sales, so just stop.
 
2013-10-17 04:29:02 PM

RedPhoenix122: Serious Black: Because the NFL signed off on breast cancer awareness but not mental illness awareness?

Yes, because the corporate sponsors can only sell pink merchandise if EVERYONE on the field is wearing it.


IIRC, for every $100 raised from the NFL, only about $3.54 goes to actual research or treatment.
 
2013-10-17 04:31:35 PM

Orgasmatron138: RedPhoenix122: Serious Black: Because the NFL signed off on breast cancer awareness but not mental illness awareness?

Yes, because the corporate sponsors can only sell pink merchandise if EVERYONE on the field is wearing it.

IIRC, for every $100 raised from the NFL, only about $3.54 goes to actual research or treatment.


That's what my link upthread says anyqay.
 
2013-10-17 04:41:44 PM
BTW Marshall is auctioning off the shoes and all the money will go to charity for mental health stuff. On top of that, I heard he might actually match the fine with a donation to a mental health charity. So basically, all the NFL is causing here is more donations to mental health charities, which was the whole point.
 
2013-10-17 05:07:30 PM

mikaloyd: FARK dont like the boobs but FARK loves the crazies


Why not both?
 
2013-10-17 05:16:46 PM

UNC_Samurai: lennavan: I think you have the wrong perspective. The NFL went from promoting zero causes to promoting one worthy cause. Rather than celebrate the NFL promoting a worthy cause, you went ahead and looked that gift horse in the mouth. I think that's wrong to do.

They're promoting a cause because it's a convenient and visible way to market themselves to a female audience.  Excuse us if we think that's incredibly crass.


Sounds like a good criticism to me.  That is of course different than criticizing the NFL for fining Brandon Marshall for wearing green shoes.
 
2013-10-17 05:28:23 PM

Serious Black: All I ever did was say it's ridiculous to single out one disease as particularly noteworthy and deserving of promotion than any other disease.


Why?  If you and I spent 5 minutes together listing all of the things we felt were noteworthy, we'd have hundreds of causes.  If you promote all of them equally, then really you're promoting none of them.  It's like those ribbons on the back of your car.  At first it was for, fark I don't even remember anymore, 9/11 or Afghanistan Vets or something.  You saw them driving around and it sent a message.  Then everyone had one for every farking thing you could imagine and they became meaningless.  Same with those Livestrong bands.

Serious Black: I completely disagree that nothing will get promoted. I think it would unleash a ton of interviews from reporters and journalists asking players things like "Hey, you're wearing a grey set of gloves, what are you promoting and why?"


Day 1, perhaps you are correct.  Day 366, someone wearing green shoes is nothing special, people have been wearing ridiculously colored shiat for 365 days now.

Day 1, perhaps you are correct.  So a TON of interviews from reporters get done to a TON of players.  That results in a TON of articles all on a TON of different subjects.  And you think the public is going to read all of them and suddenly become very aware of all the various important causes?

Serious Black: And you'd very likely get a ton of personal stories from those players like "Oh, I'm raising awareness of pediatric brain cancer because a kid I adopted as my little brother during college had brain cancer." Those kinds of stories stick with people long after the day is done.


And the only way that player can get that story like that out is by wearing green shoes or gray gloves or whatever?

Serious Black: I'm only mad that they feel no other disease deserves promotion in the same manner.


I work on prostate cancer.  My research is on prostate cancer.  I really hope you don't think that means I don't give a shiat about breast cancer, I love breasts.  If I had unlimited ability to work on these things, I would work on them all.  But I don't.  I don't think the NFL dress code has an unlimited ability to promote worthy causes either.
 
2013-10-17 06:04:49 PM

lennavan: Serious Black: I completely disagree that nothing will get promoted. I think it would unleash a ton of interviews from reporters and journalists asking players things like "Hey, you're wearing a grey set of gloves, what are you promoting and why?"

Day 1, perhaps you are correct. Day 366, someone wearing green shoes is nothing special, people have been wearing ridiculously colored shiat for 365 days now.

Day 1, perhaps you are correct. So a TON of interviews from reporters get done to a TON of players. That results in a TON of articles all on a TON of different subjects. And you think the public is going to read all of them and suddenly become very aware of all the various important causes?


No, you're not going to remember them all. That's a limitation of being a human being; we can't focus on everything. But I'd guarantee at least one story will ring true and stick in somebody's mind for everyone. I will think differently about pediatric brain cancer for the rest of my (hopefully rather long) life because Nebraska adopted Jack Hoffman and had him score a touchdown in their spring game this year, and I will probably donate money to pediatric brain cancer research at some point because of that story. I'd much rather have people become more broad in their awareness of diseases than constantly get hammered year after year after year about breast cancer.

Serious Black: And you'd very likely get a ton of personal stories from those players like "Oh, I'm raising awareness of pediatric brain cancer because a kid I adopted as my little brother during college had brain cancer." Those kinds of stories stick with people long after the day is done.

And the only way that player can get that story like that out is by wearing green shoes or gray gloves or whatever?


The only way to get a story out about breast cancer is by plastering the entire NFL with pink accessories and jerseys?

lennavan: Serious Black: I'm only mad that they feel no other disease deserves promotion in the same manner.

I work on prostate cancer. My research is on prostate cancer. I really hope you don't think that means I don't give a shiat about breast cancer, I love breasts. If I had unlimited ability to work on these things, I would work on them all. But I don't. I don't think the NFL dress code has an unlimited ability to promote worthy causes either.


Breast cancer awareness and research already grab the lion's share of money that goes to cancer work. If you don't know about breast cancer at this point, you're either dead or have been living your entire life under a rock. Prostate cancer or a similar disease with little recognition would be much more worthwhile ailments for the NFL for a permanent partnership to raise awareness of. Or they could do an annual awareness week/month where they focus on a different disease or a different class of diseases every season. Instead, they permanently went with the easy disease to promote because, like you, everyone already loves breasts.
 
2013-10-17 06:17:55 PM

lennavan: Serious Black: All I ever did was say it's ridiculous to single out one disease as particularly noteworthy and deserving of promotion than any other disease.

Why?  If you and I spent 5 minutes together listing all of the things we felt were noteworthy, we'd have hundreds of causes.  If you promote all of them equally, then really you're promoting none of them.  It's like those ribbons on the back of your car.  At first it was for, fark I don't even remember anymore, 9/11 or Afghanistan Vets or something.  You saw them driving around and it sent a message.  Then everyone had one for every farking thing you could imagine and they became meaningless.  Same with those Livestrong bands.

Serious Black: I completely disagree that nothing will get promoted. I think it would unleash a ton of interviews from reporters and journalists asking players things like "Hey, you're wearing a grey set of gloves, what are you promoting and why?"

Day 1, perhaps you are correct.  Day 366, someone wearing green shoes is nothing special, people have been wearing ridiculously colored shiat for 365 days now.

Day 1, perhaps you are correct.  So a TON of interviews from reporters get done to a TON of players.  That results in a TON of articles all on a TON of different subjects.  And you think the public is going to read all of them and suddenly become very aware of all the various important causes?

Serious Black: And you'd very likely get a ton of personal stories from those players like "Oh, I'm raising awareness of pediatric brain cancer because a kid I adopted as my little brother during college had brain cancer." Those kinds of stories stick with people long after the day is done.

And the only way that player can get that story like that out is by wearing green shoes or gray gloves or whatever?

Serious Black: I'm only mad that they feel no other disease deserves promotion in the same manner.

I work on prostate cancer.  My research is on prostate cancer.  I really hope you don't thi ...


It gets into a funny space when you have the nfl saying that they can use the athletes as walking billboards, but athletes cannot use themselves as walking billboards.

Strictly speaking, that issue is avoided by making the wearing of pink gear voluntarily, so the NFL would be technically in the right.  The more graceful solution, in my opinion, would be to respect that the athletes are entitled to their own cause and 'voice', and if the wearing of colored (yeah yeah, that's racist) gear on the field is the accepted manner of 'raising awareness', then the athletes deserve a portion of that voice as well.
 
2013-10-17 07:17:07 PM

Serious Black: The only way to get a story out about breast cancer is by plastering the entire NFL with pink accessories and jerseys?


Quite the contrary, there are many ways.  Why are you taking issue with this particular selection?  I'm not.

Serious Black: I will think differently about pediatric brain cancer for the rest of my (hopefully rather long) life because Nebraska adopted Jack Hoffman and had him score a touchdown in their spring game this year, and I will probably donate money to pediatric brain cancer research at some point because of that story.


The same mechanism that drives some prostate cancers also drives some pediatric brain cancers, I shiat you not.  I cannot impress upon you how interesting and important I find pediatric brain cancer.  If I had mobility I'd work for this guy:  http://www.med.upenn.edu/apps/faculty/index.php/g275/p8138802

I also saw some kid run for a touchdown against the shiatty Nebraska defense (f Nebraska, I'm a badger fan).  Kicked up dust in the room.  I had no idea he had brain cancer.  Maybe I'm particularly stupid or ADD or whatever.  But I think the hammer is necessary.  I suppose that's the really only disagreement we're having.  The rest we agree on.

Serious Black: Breast cancer awareness and research already grab the lion's share of money


This is a very different discussion that I would be more than happy to grab my pitchfork and join you for.  I also have a few torches if need be.
 
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