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2013-10-16 11:47:01 PM
The problem with things like mandatory rehab (drugs or alcohol) or court-ordered anger management classes is that they often don't work. Unless the person admits they have a problem first they probably aren't going to stop abusing alcohol or drugs. Or they'll stop temporarily and as soon as whatever factors led them into substance abuse in the first place reappear they'll be right back where they started.
 
2013-10-17 07:02:25 AM
They could ban alcohol like most remote northern communities in Canada... but that just leads to Lysol abuse.

/Lysol if they're lucky
//Or it's their birthday
 
2013-10-17 07:06:45 AM
In their defense you'd have to be drunk to want to f*ck a woman like this.
news.bbcimg.co.uk

/that is a woman, right?
 
2013-10-17 07:07:44 AM
images4.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2013-10-17 07:08:32 AM
FTFA: "It began when the conservative Country Liberal Party (CLP) won power in last year's Territory election "

I guess American political parties aren't the only ones whom adopt misleading names.

Of course I also giggle a bit when I hear DPRK.
 
2013-10-17 07:08:40 AM
Pierre, SD. Tell me I'm wrong.

/happy where my life is, sad where I am physically.
//miss Rapid City soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo much
 
2013-10-17 07:09:39 AM
Seems like they could just cordon off a huge section of the land, put these habitual offenders in there, keep a steady supply of booze flowing in, and let that shiat sort itself out on its own.
 
2013-10-17 07:10:15 AM

Walker: [news.bbcimg.co.uk image 304x304]

/that is a woman, right?


www.bookmice.net
What was sundered and undone shall be whole - the two made one.
 
2013-10-17 07:11:02 AM
D'oh! Need coffee for faster posting..
 
2013-10-17 07:11:47 AM

Walker: In their defense you'd have to be drunk to want to f*ck a woman like this.


/that is a woman, right?


What a foine Klingon specimen..
 
2013-10-17 07:17:26 AM
If they try and make you go to rehab, just tell them no, no no.
cdn.pastemagazine.com
"It worked for me!"
 
2013-10-17 07:17:27 AM

GDubDub: FTFA: "It began when the conservative Country Liberal Party (CLP) won power in last year's Territory election "

I guess American political parties aren't the only ones whom adopt misleading names.

Of course I also giggle a bit when I hear DPRK.



Not entirely. Across much of the civilised world, the liberals are slightly right of centre.
The fact that the centre ground in the US has ended up somewhere between the right and the far right gives you a rather different perspective when compared to many other countries.
 
2013-10-17 07:22:21 AM
Why are Americans so ignorant about the meaning of the word "liberal".
 
2013-10-17 07:24:57 AM
In Australia the Liberal party are the conservatives, the Labor party are the lefties.
 
2013-10-17 07:25:46 AM
They could try prohibition of alcohol.  Work really well for the US in the 20's
 
2013-10-17 07:27:23 AM

solitary: Why are Americans so ignorant about the meaning of the word "liberal".


Perhaps words have different meanings in different places?
 
2013-10-17 07:28:46 AM
Well it certainly isn't at a bar in Phuket, Thailand on your first gin and tonic after a full day of surfing.

Given farker tendencies, anywhere in Saudi Arabia.
 
2013-10-17 07:31:27 AM

AgentPothead:


:) if I could post pix from my phone it could have been a simulpost
 
2013-10-17 07:33:12 AM
Hasn't worked here in America, won't work there.
Alcs, just calm the fark down, learn to moderate and enjoy a nice beer (liquor on a constant basis is what will REALLY fark you up) after you get your biz done, and enjoy. (was an alchy for over 8 years, so this is not advice from an outside camp. I enjoy a beer here and there, but only after I get my biz done and know I'm in at least a halfway decent mood). Just calm down, step back and re-evaluate things a bit.

And if you do quit altogether, don't go gung ho and ruin it for everyone else. No one likes the sober born-again Jesus freak pounding bibles whenever he or she sees someone sipping a glass of wine.

Anywho, forced rehab is a total waste of taxpayer dollars. The point of forced AA here in America is supposed to be to get together with people who truly want to quit. Sooooo, doesn't it nullify the point if 90% of the people there don't want to be there in the first place? What most people here don't know is that you can legally go for an alternate treatment like Rational Recovery (which has an office just for that purpose), as opposed to the overwhelmingly failed AA (80% go right back to drinking, and varying percentages often drink themselves to death).

Anywho, going to the store, speaking of!

twistedcritic.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-10-17 07:33:14 AM
On the internet.
 
2013-10-17 07:39:40 AM

eyemarten: AgentPothead:

:) if I could post pix from my phone it could have been a simulpost


I was just hoping to sneak it in before anybody replied to Walker :)
 
2013-10-17 07:42:05 AM

GDubDub: solitary: Why are Americans so ignorant about the meaning of the word "liberal".

Perhaps words have different meanings in different places?


You mean like smoking a fag?
 
2013-10-17 07:44:12 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: Seems like they could just cordon off a huge section of the land, put these habitual offenders in there, keep a steady supply of booze flowing in, and let that shiat sort itself out on its own.


you could do that with drugs as well
cheap easy darwin
 
2013-10-17 07:44:37 AM
 "...memorials mark where drunken drivers ploughed their cars into telegraph poles..."

Maybe they will become more enlightened when they get landline phones.
 
2013-10-17 07:46:43 AM

hasty ambush: GDubDub: solitary: Why are Americans so ignorant about the meaning of the word "liberal".

Perhaps words have different meanings in different places?

You mean like smoking a fag?


Also meanings change with time;

The liberalism  of Thomas  Jefferson  vs. the liberalism of FDR for example
 
2013-10-17 07:48:14 AM

bacchanalias and consequences: Well it certainly isn't at a bar in Phuket, Thailand on your first gin and tonic after a full day of surfing.

Given farker tendencies, anywhere in Saudi Arabia.


i151.photobucket.com
 
2013-10-17 08:02:33 AM
Here's the actual perspective the article (from an English source, I note) missed. This is being written in Adelaide, South Australia.

When the English colonised Australia from 1788, the Aboriginal population was essentially regarded as sub-human. It actually took until 1965 for Aborigines to be counted in the national census and win voting rights (Aborigines had voting rights in South Australia prior to Australia's federation in 1901 but these were lost at that time). When you consider that South Africa was facing international economic sanctions from the early 1970's you can see that Australia narrowly dodged being a pariah over its treatment of its indigenous population.

Throughout the 1800's and the first half of the 1900's, Aboriginal children were frequently removed from the care of their parents and institutionalised or fostered away from their families. Language and culture were lost. Family bonds and parenting skills were lost. Much physical, emotional and sexual abuse occurred within institutions. European diseases, the introduction of alcohol, appalling legal discrimination and limited legal rights meant Aboriginal communities were decimated. Well-intended welfare measures resulted in welfare dependence and entrenched unemployment.

At no time has a treaty been signed or any process for any agreement to be made relating to the loss of land and the damage to communities and individuals. The land rights which have existed since the early 90's are more tokenistic than productive.

The health statistics for Aborigines in Australia today resemble those of third world populations. The rate of imprisonment is unbelievable, even to Americans.

If ever you wanted to engineer the sorts of social problems that exist in Aboriginal communities, you would follow the blueprint that generations of Australian whitefellas have subjected the blackfellas to.

Even today, as this article hints, Australians see 'the Aboriginal issue' as a problem needing to be solved but we refuse to actually allow Aborigines to solve anything for themselves. The paternalism is evident everywhere.

If I was Aboriginal, I'd be even drunker than I am now. The last 200 years suggest that there would be no better way to spend my time. It's a disaster.
 
2013-10-17 08:02:36 AM
Hmmm... this article used to be titled "World's harshest regime for problem drinkers?"

/submitter
 
2013-10-17 08:02:59 AM
"Grog" is the local slang for alcohol. "

It was the term we used for beer in upstate NY in the mid 60s and look as us now...not at all like those in the article. How bad can this stuff be?
 
2013-10-17 08:05:59 AM

Wodheila: How bad can this stuff be?


The picture of the lady in her 20s is an after shot.
Of what the effects can be.
Of second hand drinking.
She's a teetotaler.
 
2013-10-17 08:07:08 AM
Liberal and conservative swap meanings if you are talking about markets instead of social issues.
 
2013-10-17 08:09:12 AM

Walker: In their defense you'd have to be drunk to want to f*ck a woman like this.


/that is a woman, right?


I think it's the sister of that chick from the Dark Crystal.
 
2013-10-17 08:10:36 AM

eyemarten: AgentPothead:

:) if I could post pix from my phone it could have been a simulpost


:( if only I read whole threads before posting
 
2013-10-17 08:20:22 AM

Aussie_As: Here's the actual perspective the article (from an English source, I note) missed. This is being written in Adelaide, South Australia.

When the English colonised Australia from 1788, the Aboriginal population was essentially regarded as sub-human. It actually took until 1965 for Aborigines to be counted in the national census and win voting rights (Aborigines had voting rights in South Australia prior to Australia's federation in 1901 but these were lost at that time). When you consider that South Africa was facing international economic sanctions from the early 1970's you can see that Australia narrowly dodged being a pariah over its treatment of its indigenous population.

Throughout the 1800's and the first half of the 1900's, Aboriginal children were frequently removed from the care of their parents and institutionalised or fostered away from their families. Language and culture were lost. Family bonds and parenting skills were lost. Much physical, emotional and sexual abuse occurred within institutions. European diseases, the introduction of alcohol, appalling legal discrimination and limited legal rights meant Aboriginal communities were decimated. Well-intended welfare measures resulted in welfare dependence and entrenched unemployment.

At no time has a treaty been signed or any process for any agreement to be made relating to the loss of land and the damage to communities and individuals. The land rights which have existed since the early 90's are more tokenistic than productive.

The health statistics for Aborigines in Australia today resemble those of third world populations. The rate of imprisonment is unbelievable, even to Americans.

If ever you wanted to engineer the sorts of social problems that exist in Aboriginal communities, you would follow the blueprint that generations of Australian whitefellas have subjected the blackfellas to.

Even today, as this article hints, Australians see 'the Aboriginal issue' as a problem needing to be solved but we ...


Change a few words around and you're talking about any country that has been colonized.
 
2013-10-17 08:21:49 AM

Bathia_Mapes: The problem with things like mandatory rehab (drugs or alcohol) or court-ordered anger management classes is that they often don't work. Unless the person admits they have a problem first they probably aren't going to stop abusing alcohol or drugs. Or they'll stop temporarily and as soon as whatever factors led them into substance abuse in the first place reappear they'll be right back where they started.


All of this^
 
2013-10-17 08:23:18 AM
In regards to alcohol the US military is now one of the worse most restrictive places:

The Washington Times reported earlier this week that the Corps sent a Dec. 12 message to commanders officially beginning mandatory breath tests for all 197,000 Marines twice each year.


Also now days any alcohol related incident to include Public Intoxication is basically career ending.

"In the "old days" anyone on active duty could consume alcohol on military installations, regardless of the legal drinking age off-base.

However, in the mid-80s, advocacy groups, such as MADD (Mothers Against Drunken Drivers) lobbied Congress to change this. Federal law (United States Code, Title 10, Section 2683) requires military installation commanders to adopt the same drinking age as the state the military base is located in. The only exception to this rule is if the base is located within 50 miles of Canada or Mexico, or a state with a lower drinking age, the installation commander may adopt the lower drinking age for military personnel on base."

Link
 
2013-10-17 08:24:36 AM

solitary: Why are Americans so ignorant about the meaning of the word "liberal".


Because in America, conservative means Jesus Party, and Liberal means Not-the-Jesus Party.  In the rest of the world, Liberal means more like how we use libertarian, and conservative means you align with whatever the traditional values of your country happen to be, rather it be religious, nonreligious, communist, militant, or pacifistic.
 
2013-10-17 08:25:04 AM
I can understand the desperation behind the measure, but it seems liftign the banned drinkers registry was a mistake.

As for the opposition reccomending no jail, no rehab, just prohibition....yeah, I think there may be a historical example of the efffectiveness of that in curbing drinking and violence.....maybe not the same country, but still might be worth looking into.
 
2013-10-17 08:31:27 AM

Toriko: In Australia the Liberal party are the conservatives, the Labor party are the lefties.


damn water spins wrong in the toilet too.

/i blame the koalas
 
2013-10-17 08:35:08 AM

GDubDub: solitary: Why are Americans so ignorant about the meaning of the word "liberal".

Perhaps words have different meanings in different places?


I suppose that next you're going to tell me that "barbie" has different meanings in Australia and the USA?  And that Americans and Australians have different definitions of the word "knife?"
 
2013-10-17 08:35:39 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: Seems like they could just cordon off a huge section of the land, put these habitual offenders in there, keep a steady supply of booze flowing in, and let that shiat sort itself out on its own.


I thought the whole island was *already* cordoned off and habitual offenders were put there.

It didn't work last time, but it did give the world Zoe Bell, Emily Browning and Gemma "I would kill my mother to tap that" Ward
 
2013-10-17 08:37:24 AM

HMS_Blinkin: GDubDub: solitary: Why are Americans so ignorant about the meaning of the word "liberal".

Perhaps words have different meanings in different places?

I suppose that next you're going to tell me that "barbie" has different meanings in Australia and the USA?  And that Americans and Australians have different definitions of the word "knife?"


and that Australian men walk around openly wearing thongs.
 
2013-10-17 08:38:08 AM

GDubDub: solitary: Why are Americans so ignorant about the meaning of the word "liberal".

Perhaps words have different meanings in different places?


Liberalism includes the idea of private property.  Yet so many American (specifically college aged) "liberals" think we should take the majority, if not nearly all of the money from the rich and give it to others (read: them).
 
2013-10-17 08:38:40 AM

RayD8: Aussie_As: Here's the actual perspective the article (from an English source, I note) missed. This is being written in Adelaide, South Australia.


Sure could be parts of Canada.

Long before my time, the LCBO used to have a banned drinker list - the 'Indian List', they called it.  Now, the way I hear it, native status or no, if a wife didn't like her husband drinking, she could get him put on the list.
 
2013-10-17 08:41:21 AM
Florida.....................duh
 
2013-10-17 08:44:01 AM
If they try to make you go to rehab, just slip over the border to Switzerland, problem solved.
 
2013-10-17 08:50:53 AM
Hey, stop worrying about grogs! They have assured me that they will only use their telepathic power for good.

images4.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2013-10-17 08:51:02 AM
How could anyone complain about living in the NT when we get Yamba the Yerrampe?
livelonger.govspace.gov.au

/tick tock tick tock
//what's the time magic clock
///Alice is a great town
 
2013-10-17 08:55:56 AM

RayD8: HMS_Blinkin: GDubDub: solitary: Why are Americans so ignorant about the meaning of the word "liberal".

Perhaps words have different meanings in different places?

I suppose that next you're going to tell me that "barbie" has different meanings in Australia and the USA?  And that Americans and Australians have different definitions of the word "knife?"

and that Australian men walk around openly wearing thongs.


Can confirm I'm wearing mine now. I wear thongs as often as I can and love showing them off in public.
 
2013-10-17 09:00:58 AM

bacchanalias and consequences: Well it certainly isn't at a bar in Phuket, Thailand on your first gin and tonic after a full day of surfing.

Given farker tendencies, anywhere in Saudi Arabia.


There is a thriving home-brew scene in Saudi, particularly if you live on a secure compound. When a friend of mine went to work there a few years ago part of his company's 'welcome pack' was a Distilling for Dummies guide that was handed to him with the advice "Read it carefully and don't blow yourself up".

RayD8: Change a few words around and you're talking about any country that has been colonized.


The problem for Australia is that it's all a lot more recent - the government took until the late 60's to legally recognize aboriginals as human and was involved in institutional atrocities against the aboriginals until the 70's. The cultural genocide (and occasional actual genocide) has left an incredibly visible scar across the nation in the form of an utterly defeated group of people. If you walk around any city in the north half of Australia you'll see small groups of homeless alcoholic aboriginal people sitting around on almost every street corner at all hours of the day. People with no hope, no aims, no goals, no future - just counting away the hours in as drunk a state as they can get.
 
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